How Was The Wii U’s 2015?

Pixelgate.co.uk writes:

''The Wii U has had a pretty quiet 2015. That’s not exactly a bad thing though. For a system that was written off by so many critics and sites, it’s relevance is still going strong. Nintendo have done a fairly good job of keeping their latest home system in the minds of the consumer. New IPs, spin-offs and sequels provided the biggest additions to the Wii U library in 2015. Oddly, one of 2014′s biggest games was still at the very forefront of Nintendo’s plans''

[RPGrinder]

pretty good. Great exclusives

[PixelGateUk]

It's the mixture which impressed me, and the continued support of smash bros. it's been a pretty underrated year for the Wii u

[indyman7777]

I cant believe how much I STILL like Mario cart 8. I feared I'd get tired of it in a hour, because of games like....okay because of FORZA. But it is it's own game, and VERY addictive. People are just missing it.

[pcz]

dismal.

2015 was an excruciatingly slow and long funeral for the wiiu.

2016 is the wake

[About30Ninjas]

Mario Maker and Splatoon did it for me last year these are 2 games every Wii U owner should own

[REDDURT]

Depends on who you ask. It was another empty year with no third party support however its ever nostalgic fanbase delude themselves
to accepting less and barley keep their head above water with the occasional first party game.

[PixelGateUk]

You were onto a good comment until you decided to throw out the deluded label out dude!

[indyman7777]

Hey I own a gaming laptop, PS4, Xbox1, PS3, xbox 360, Wiiu, PS Vita, ps vita tv, 2ds, 3ds, and psp, plus a 4k tv that cost more than all of them put together at their launch price.

That I play the consoles on. How am I settling, or deluded? I have the best of all how games. If I even think I want a game I can buy it. What about you? When I go to get games I don't stop at one or two display sections and tell myself what you do! (only my favorite systems has games I dont know what they are displaying these games for and taking up space).

Being a fanboy is okay just don't be a fool about it.

[Philface]

But it had a fantastic first party. You probablly don't own a Wiiu so you can't know.

[Spenok]

It's a matter of opinion. There were definitely some great games released for it. However with the little to nothing in-between the great exclusives... it went mostly untouched.

[PixelGateUk]

I oddly found myself spending more time replaying Monster Hunter 3 longer than i did any of the new Wii U games. Lack of third party is always a kicker for people without another system/PC though

[Spenok]

Yeah it sucks if you don't have anything else to game on. Luckily I have them all. Which is partly why mine went untouched for so long.

[LOL_WUT]

@PixelGateUk

Praises DLC and continues to play a 2011 game more than any other current Wii U title yet defends Wii U's 2015 lineup. Something is wrong...

The only game who's truly held me back was Smash Bros. the other games pale in comparison. How can anyone call themselves a gamer while only owning a Wii U is beyond me ;)

[PixelGateUk]

@L0L_Wut

What on earth does my enjoyment of Monster Hunter 3 have anything to do with anything in the post? Nothing is wrong, i just enjoy Monster Hunter 3 quite a lot. If it helps, i played more Witcher 3 than any Wii U titles, more WoW, Starcraft 2 and even Fallout 2. Does that mean i can't praise ANYTHING that did not exceed those game's play times :P?

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

yeah the opinion of the people who owns it that is.

[Spenok]

While mostly true, you can make an argument for the contrary. As the people who don't own it, judge what's been released to see if it's worth purchasing or not. Nintendo has to cater to their userbase, as well as their potential userbase. Which, in the end, is why their in this industry. To sell products.

[LOL_WUT]

Haven't turned my Wii U in a while same goes for a couple of folks on my Wii U friends list ;)

[zep]

Xenoblade Chronicles X nuff said and i really hope that zelda wii u will realse for wii u instead on stupid nx

[Summons75]

They've said a dozen times it IS coming out for the WiiU.

[Spenok]

I'm making an educated guess, and saying it will be like Twilight Princess in that it will be on both WiiU and NX.

[Lon3wolf]

I have been playing XCX pretty much constantly for the past week and I own all consoles (not handhelds) and a gaming PC.

Sad to say though other than XCX I haven't bought anything else for it (ZTTP is on pre-order though) this year, but the kids have had great use out of it with their games. So family wise it has been good to have the Wii-U in 2015.

Some good RPG's coming next year for it that I will get.

[superchiller]

2015 was a terrible year for the Wii U, with very few decent games, but 2016 will be it's last year, with even fewer releases. Thankfully even Nintendo realizes this, as they are rushing to release the NX this year, to try to get out a viable product and reverse their failing product lines. Having said that, if the NX is yet another poorly designed product, based on yet another gimmick, Nintendo is done in this industry.

[PixelGateUk]

'Nintendo is done in this industry.' We've heard this literally every generation now.

[superchiller]

Yet every successive generation their consoles sell less and less, and their customer base shrinks. The original Wii is obviously an exception to this trend, but it was clearly a fad, one that fizzled out years ago, when people grew tired of the annoying waggle controllers and sub-HD graphics. The Wii of course died years ago, while the 360 and PS3 continue to get games right up to the present.

You can try to downplay Nintendo's shaky situation all you want, but the reality is that they are on the edge of irrelevance in the gaming industry. Unless they can change course and actually deliver a solid, feature-rich, non-gimmicky console next year, they really will be faced with a complete failure in their last console ever released.

[hatsume-miku]

Why people still reply to Superchiller? We all know he is a troll and a Nintendo hater.

[marloc_x]

What was their market cap again Tatoo?

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

You don't own a Wii U you have no say.

[PixelGateUk]

Amiibo sales alone kinda murder your theory

[superchiller]

You should be embarrassed to bring up the amiibo gimmicks as an argument in favor of Nintendo's gaming expertise. How sad is it that this is all you can come up with to defend their bungled products? How far the mighty Nintendo has fallen when this is all they have left.

[Philface]

Everything Nintendo does is terrible to you, because your hate blinds you so much. As I already stated don't buy the next product. You should stick to PS, PC or Xbox as you are clearly some one destined for them and not Nintendo.

And how is Nintendo irrelevant if you always come back? And who do you want to convince?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You REALLY need to stop posting your BS on Nintendo articles.
The only thing you ever do on them is troll with nonsense that Pachter brings up on his crystal ball every gen.

[PixelGateUk]

After checking your past comments, all i see is Nintendo hatred dude. Cheer up, you can play other systems dude. It's time to get over blast processing

[Kos-Mos]

Nintendo is on the edge of irrelevance in the gaming industry you say...
If you remove the only company that have 100% pride in their work and that creates games that other gaming companies copies and get inspired from, you remove the main core of the industry.
They even know how to make money in this industry!
We live in an age where the best out there don't sell the most; that's true, but if you remove the best everything will have to start over.
Do you want to see cod, gow, me, gta, fifa, halo, unchartered, killzone, fallout etc. be the games that inspire? Well, good luck with expanding your horizons.

[captainexplosion]

I give the Wii U a lot of crap, and it deserves it. But I just got around to playing Mario Maker and it is my GOTY. I didn't even think I would like it because I normally don't like games that you make stuff. Now I need another WiiU. Anyone know of any discounts. $300 seems like a lot for such an old console.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Nintendo's website has them refurbished for $199, last I checked.

[captainexplosion]

Thank you. 12 month warranty too!

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

IMO, the indies have done more than enough to make up for the lack of AAA third parties for the Wii U.

The latest, Fast Racing Neo, gives an adrenaline rush that few other racing games on the market for other consoles this gen come anywhere close to matching.

If there's anyone who thinks the Wii U has had a quiet year, I've got a bridge to sell them.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"the indies have done more than enough to make up for the lack of AAA third parties for the Wii U" LMFAO!

No.

Fallout 4 shipped 12 million units opening week bud, more then the entire Wii U install base, in 1 week, not counting anything else.....just 1 week.

No. Its just not happening, one must be legit delusional to really think independent teams will fill the void that the top 3rd parties bring. Those top 3rd party sell circles around MS and Sony's first party titles, but you think indies on Wii U will fill some void? Really?

Nothing will make up for lack of AAA third parties other then the return of 3rd parties. You would legit bankrupt this company if you really believed such a silly thing. What they need for NX is a architecture that 3rd parties get and have them freely and TRANSPARENTLY be involved with the development of NX in order to get them on board, its what Sony and MS have been doing for many gens now ,yet Nintendo seems to be the only company not getting this memo.

They will need to really get that next time around because I don't see those "indies" pushing 12 million units opening day bud...

When those "indies" on Wii U start pulling GTA, COD, AC, Fallout etc units in software AND pushing hardware, then we'll talk, other then that.....its very unlikely things will change with their current situation if they don't start to play ball with 3rd parties.

They can't keep developing consoles in secret solely for their own teams. They can.....if they wish to fail yet again. The reason Dreamcast, Gamecube and now Wii U failed, was due to lack of 3rd party, stop with the stupid, delusional excuses.

3rd parties sell platforms in the HUGE millions, either that or gimmicks lol. They need stable support and not solely due to some stupid gimmick, because they have the up to date hardware that is easy to work with to allow developers to easily create on. Sony nor MS can simply fill some void from 3rd party AAA, its beyond moronic to even suggest such a thing given the mountain of evidence that actually suggest otherwise in terms of sales.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You're talking sales.
I'm talking gameplay and fun factor.
And in that regard, I've gotten more than enough fun out of indie titles to fill whatever small void Fallout 4 would leave.

So HAHAHA, no.

You can keep on waltzing about in your delusional little world where the only type of outside support that matters is AAA third parties, but the FACT, is that indies have a lot to offer, FOR ALL CONSOLES, and have been consistently putting out a lot of games that have been great hold-overs between major titles.

But considering how much fanboying you do over something as ridiculous as 12M sales, ACROSS THREE SOURCES COMPARED TO ONE, it's pretty obvious that you're too biased towards sales charts to see that sales aren't everything.

[Kos-Mos]

So the masses must be right? The best games, movies and music ever made is not the best sellers. Never have and never will be.

So you can proudly mention all the units PUSHED, but in reality Wii U owners have the BEST games right now because of Nintendo. And please take notice of the word "games", because this is all it's about. Gameplay is the most important factor, not marketing that PUSH units.

Nintendo know how to be profitable and stand out to be creative and dare to try new things. Have you seen what happens when they succeed? Someone copies.
Nintendo won last generation, do you remember?

Wonderfulmonkeyman is actually talking about gameplay like he wrote in his response, and for many that is more important than how many units is PUSHED. You can be profitable with pride in your work and you can be profitable by targeting the masses with whatever you create.
I think with your comment it's quite disappointing you aren't even close to this element of the topic.

So just go ahead and PUSH some more comments about your 12 million units and see how serious you will be taken with gamers that have been here since the start and that still are because of real games that is still being produced (*Xenoblade*).

By the way, what is AAA third party? One that PUSH units because of marketing and targeting the masses?

-end

[_-EDMIX-_]

@KOS- you must be mistaken as no where do I state one is more important then the other.

I'm merely stating from a business prospective on what they need to do. You can still like games and speak about business concepts, you don't need to be some rocket scientist to talk about both. lol =)

[captainexplosion]

The problem with your theory is the Wii U doesn't get nearly as many indie games as the other two consoles.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

There's no "problem" when the amount received is still entertaining in its own right.

[_-EDMIX-_]

A very, very good point too. Wii U actually isn't getting the same amount support on all fronts of development ie 3rd party or independent.

Why 3rd party isn't supporting it, is the same reason why many indies are not supporting it, difficult architecture, expensive to develop and small install base.

Nintendo's issue with developing hardware in the dark with no help from other developers is very much costing them support on ALL FRONTS! Only a small number of indies can afford to make titles on Wii U or maybe have less complex titles that will bring it to that platform, but we've see titles coming to PSVita, PS3, PS4, XONE etc that we know 100% could work on Wii U, yet we are seeing this PSVita, PS3 combo a whole lot, ie it can work on Wii U, but the cost is too high, or low install base....both.

You have to question why a developer/publisher like Square is saying maybe on some of their titles for NX.

I'm hoping to GOD its due to them hearing about hardware set ups. Wii U's issue isn't power or hardware as much as its the architecture they set up is legit only for NINTENDO, they need to start setting up something ALL developers are ok with to work with like MS and Sony have been doing.

Doing this will get them more support from all fronts, indies, 3rd parties etc. Why should all developers have to conform to how Nintendo has set up their hardware? It was a take it or leave it, Nintendo lost in that stupid concept and most left it. They had PS3 and 360 with larger install bases, PS4 and XONE and PC easier to work with and now larger install bases.

Nintendo is not in a position to be giving 3rd parties ultimatums. This 100% can't have NX go down the same road and they need to be diplomatic in this regard. Make something for all vs trying to force developers to work with inferior and difficult architectures. This is good for Nintendo, good for its fans, good for developers. I'm baffled as to why many keep trying to defend a flawed and currently failed business concept.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Wonderful- that isn't the point. The point is they can get more if they had a easier architecture to work with.

Yes...the games they have a good, but clearly they are missing out on the literally HUNDREDS more that PS4 and XONE are receiving. With a better infrastructure, I see NX getting the same amount as PS4 or XONE as indies want more platforms to work with, they just can't afford to make games on Wii U when its too hard and has a low install base to boot.

You can again like a game that is indie on Wii U....

What does that have to do with Nintendo's current situation regarding the amount they have?

I can like RE Code Veronica, but that doesn't just negate someone's comment about Dreamcast lack of 3rd parties. lol

The reality is...your free to like what you like, but that has nothing to do with their current business situation and I don't think anyone is stating this regarding "personal" or "subjective" taste.

What is being said is a fact, objective ie no "emotions" its merely...."Wii U doesn't get nearly as many" blank.

He is correct in that notion, if you like them or not is pretty much irrelevant as its not as if having less games is better or something, as if its better to have the indies on Wii U NOW instead of MORE on top of that, its not a either or LMFAO! So as to why someone will bring up how they currently feel about them in a personal sense....., who knows. Its irrelevant to what is being stated as neither of us are talking about our personal taste.

I mean..your fine to again, but its irrelevant to what is really being talked about, again...me liking Dead Or Alive on Dreamcast isn't some brilliant defense as to where Dreamcast's 3rd party support is. You can still like those 3rd party games on Dreamcast and still recognize its a problem with the lack of support.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"IMO, the indies have done more than enough to make up for the lack of AAA third parties for the Wii U"

Mybad, you did say "IMO", if you feel that way, your free to.

In regards to a consoles success though in terms of sales, it very much matters and the systems failed over the years, did so due to lack of 3rd party support by the major publishers.

Also relax with the "fanboying" ie name calling. You can have an opinion without name calling.

Sales isn't everything, but I'm not talking about personal preference, one could argue they like the N-Gage, I'm merely stating the very clear obvious nature of Nintendo's business situation. You may like Nintendo's consoles.....sure, but I still think its in its best interest even for you, that they have a successful console in sales as they can't actually keep failing like that as one day, it will come back to hurt them when their install bases begins to shrink on the console front.

What I suggested they do is good for you and Nintendo and all gamers to be honest.

Indies do have a lot of ofter, not denying that, but they are not moving units and are not the answer to Wii U's failing situation.

NX will fail if they go down the same path and might legit be the last Nintendo console they produce. They make more money on software then hardware and they can't afford another failed console, it would actually make more sense if they just go 3rd party as they sold the least software then get and hardware this gen then they've ever have in their companies history....

I don't actually think that is something they want to keep repeating. Mind you, once again, I'm saying this from a business prospective. Even as a Dreamcast fan, that doesn't mean I want SEGA to keep doing stupid things, and continuing to support stupid business moves because I like Sonic 2....

You can like your games and still hope for the company to be in good standing, as ignoring the obvious doesn't actually help even your own favorite publisher. I think its best for them to be in a better spot with 3rd parties then not, regardless of indies, indies are not moving units for them bud and you can still have indies and 3rd parties, stop being immature, it isn't a one or the other situation.

Sony and MS have BOTH. Its why they are seeing RECORD sales, yet we still have exclusives, still have sales, still have indies.

But slow down, only get indies though? less is better? Selling low sales is awesome? Buddy.....at some point you need to recognize something is wrong with what they are doing business wise. I want the best for Nintendo and I'm very much ok with pointing out what they can do better vs ignoring, sugar coating or downplaying their situation.

[deafdani]

Sorry dude, but no.

Fast Racing Neo looks fantastic, and I'm going to buy it eventually, and I've enjoyed quite a few indie games on Wii U. But to even suggest that they make up for the lack of games like Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight, Fallout 4, Destiny (Taken King), Metal Gear Solid V, Just Cause 3, etc, etc, etc, is insane.

PS4 and Xbox One have access to all of these games... and they have indies, too.

Nope, the Wii U's strongest reason to own it is Nintendo's games, and very little else. The lack of third party support is hurting Nintendo more than you want to aknowledge, and yes, third party devs have done pretty lazy stuff... but it's Nintendo's fault as well. They've alienated third party developers ever since the N64, and every Nintendo console since that one has suffered exponentially more, with the exception of the Wii. It's not a coincidence.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You and everyone else here keeps saying that, but let's be real; there would not have been a significant migration to Wii U, from people who want those games, even if the Wii U had gotten them complete, on time, and with all their content intact.

No one would have switched to a Wii U to play Witcher 3, and most Nintendo fans already own a second system to play that on, in the first place.

AAA third party aren't as important as you make them out to be for Nintendo home consoles anymore, because there aren't enough Sony, Micro, or PC fans that would willingly migrate to one just to re-purchase all those same games that they can already get on brands they trust.

It's not a coincidence, as you put it, that even when third parties put out really worthwhile exclusives on the Wii U, only a very small minority of those who own solely a Sony or Micro machine went out of their way to get it.

It's because the third party exclusives weren't attractive enough.
They didn't stay away because the system lacked multiplats that they already intended to get on an existing system, because they wouldn't be missing out on those games anyways since they already have systems to play them on.

They stayed away because the games were connected to a Nintendo system, and early ports of very popular games that ran fine, outside of missing content, prove as much.

That's just how it is; very few people in the Sony or Micro camps will ever give Nintendo a chance again, with or without AAA third parties, so long as Sony and Micro still get all the same games.

You're underestimating brand loyalty to the consoles, and the effect that has in keeping AAA third parties from even attempting to publish more exclusives on Nintendo home consoles.

At this point, indies are the only source of reliable filler content Nintendo has, because third party exclusives are few and far between and multiplats are non-existent.
Just like they will be for the NX, because everyone's already going to be getting any multiplat that hits NX for the other two systems instead, if they already own them.

There won't be any massive switching over, no matter how powerful the NX is, just as there wouldn't have been for the Wii U even if it had been above the PS4 in power and lacked the game pad.

[deafdani]

(Part 1)

Bear with me for a second here, because I'll stray off-topic a bit, but I'll get back to the point soon, I promise.

Let's talk about the NX a second. A lot of people seem to think it could come out this year. Heck, even I think it's a possibility. Yet I've seen countless posts of yours on this site disregarding that theory, on the grounds that historically speaking, no Nintendo console has ever been less than 5 years in the market before seeing a sucessor.

So, you're disregarding speculation in this case in favor of historical evidence. Which is fair enough.

Explain to me, then, why are you doing exactly the opposite regarding Nintendo and third party support. Historical evidence point out to third party support to being crucial in the success of ALL consoles, no matter if they're from Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft, no matter if they're handheld or home consoles.

So, why are you disregarding said historical evidence here, over your own speculation?

Come on.

You say, matter of factly, that the Wii U wouldn't have been any different even if it was as powerful as the PS4 in the first place. Thing is, you have absolutely zero proof to base that claim on.

You say I'm underestimating brand loyalty. To that, I tell you: it's you who are overestimating it quite a bit. There's a reason why so many people jumped ship from Nintendo to Sony back in the N64 - PS1 days.

There's a reason why Sony lost such a big share of the market on the PS3. Despite outselling the Xbox 360 in the end, nothing changes the fact that there was quite a big downfall from the absurd 150 million PS2's sold to PS3's 80 something million.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand jumped from a mere 24 million sold (first Xbox) to 80 something million (Xbox 360). Granted, the numbers are inflated a bit here due to the RROD fiasco, but it's still an impressive market gain even accounting for that.

And, again... there's a reason why the PS4 is wiping the floor with both Xbox One and Wii U combined. A lot of people that had 360 have now jumped ship over to Playstation.

So, it's evident that people are more than willing to swap brands, if the new toy of the "other" brand is alluring enough to them. Yet you don't think Nintendo is capable of doing this as well. In that, I think you're mistaken.

[deafdani]

(Part 2)

People LOVE Nintendo games. No matter how much vitriol and hate you see on sites like this one, no matter how many trolls you see disregarding Nintendo's games... they keep being the best selling games out there, by a wide margin. Not even the best selling Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty games can begin to compare with some of Nintendo's best selling games.

People like Nintendo. The thing is, people like third party developers as well. A lot. It's quite a big piece of the equation here, and it's the piece Nintendo has been missing since the N64 days.

Maybe it's time for Nintendo to try and cater to third party publishers properly, again. Give them a platform that's on par with others of its same generation. The problem here is, if Nintendo were to release NX this year or even next year, they would be at a pretty awkward crossroads, generation wise, because the Xbox One and PS4 are still relatively young. So, even if NX is considerably more powerful than these two, there's still a chance they wouldn't succeed. If that's the point of yours, I'm willing to concede.

Although I still think Nintendo should try it all the same. I'm not saying winning back the gaming population at large will be an easy task. It won't be, at all. They have a lot of lost trust to earn back, and this will be a slow process for them. Maybe one console generation won't be enough to win people over, but they have to start trying sometime. Either that, or try to find the next Wii phenomenon... that is, the next blue ocean strategy that allows them to catch lightning in a bottle again. Both are possible, and both are easier said than done.

However, one of these choices is a long term solution; the other one isn't, and will only last a single generation before being back to square one. Like what happened with Wii - Wii U.

So, back on point: to say that launching a new generation console, around the same time as other consoles (or a bit before, in Wii U's case), and having comparable hardware wouldn't have made a difference for Nintendo, with zero proof to support that... nope, I will only agree to disagree with you there.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Explain to me, if you would, what historical evidence there is that proves Nintendo has always ridden the backs of third parties to success?

I don't believe I'm ignoring historical evidence here; most of Nintendo's systems have sold off of games that were either similar to the kinds of games Nintendo is known for making, be it visually or gameplay-wise, or that were made directly by Nintendo themselves.

The Wii itself only sold so well due to its low price, casual third party games which most would disregard as shovel ware, and a bunch of easily-picked-up first party games.
Amongst the last three gens of systems from them, the Wii is the only one that could realistically be said to have sold anywhere near successfully due to the efforts of third parties, and very few of said high-sellers were what you'd call AAA titles.

We aren't seeing that same sort of success from third parties in the here and now on Nintendo systems; thanks to the stigmas brought about by the Wii and Gamecube, Nintendo has set themselves up as the outlier in terms of the AAA multiplats of third party support.

It set the Wii U up at a disadvantage right from the get go.
Early on, this entire disadvantage COULD have been reversed, but then we got instances of games coming out too late, with too little content and optimization, at too high a price, with nothing new about said versions in terms of extra content to draw the crowd from other systems over.

At this point I'm going off of what I'm seeing across multiple sites on the net; everyone considers Nintendo to be the "kiddy console makers" that don't make the games they want.

This, directly, points to them not caring about Nintendo's first party titles.
I mean, just look at how many people on this site alone, on a DAILY BASIS, claim that they would never willingly pay $200, let alone more, for a Wii U, despite all of the fantastic first party games and indies on it.

That, to me, points out a prioritization on AAA third party multiplats, rather than first party.

Such being the case, I feel it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that these same gamers would not switch over to a Nintendo console like the NX, who's biggest selling point is likely going to be its first party stuff that they happen to look down upon as "too kiddy", even if it gets all the same third party multiplats as the other two, because all of those games that they care about MORE than Nintendo's first party can already be gotten on their existing systems.

And, as an extension, this leads me to conclude that the Wii U would not have gotten any better treatment from them, either, had it launched with many of the same multiplat games that third parties were making available for multiple systems at the time.
Games like, oh I dunno, Black Ops 2, Rayman Legends, Deus Ex....oh wait.

I'm hoping you see my point.

Part 2 incoming...

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Part 2

As far as my claim of people not liking Nintendo games, dude...

Please, just look around you.

The evidence is all around you, even on this site; just take a look at people who keep saying they'd never get a Nintendo system for any price above $200, or who consistently point out how they feel Nintendo does nothing but rehash the same games again and again.

That's not the attitude of someone that would switch to a Nintendo console.
And that is where I feel brand loyalty is having its effect in this; these people care more about AAA third party multiplats than Nintendo's games, and do not love Nintendo games like they used to.
I'm firmly convinced that there is not a single person on this site, who has ever derided Nintendo games for being too childish or for being too rehashed, that would be willing to pick up an NX at this juncture.

Because what they care about most, is third party multiplat games.
And the other two systems will already give those to them.

Nintendo needs more from third parties than just a bunch of late AAA ports if they want to succeed, because that won't draw anyone over to them.

People are going to hate me for saying this, I'm sure, but what Nintendo needs from third parties isn't multiplats.

It's hard-hitting mature exclusives that people will not want to go without, that they cannot get anywhere BUT on the NX.

If Nintendo starts off with that, THEN, they could make some headway with multiplats alongside them.

AAA third party exclusives NEED to be Nintendo's killer hook, if they want to reel in people from other systems into owning an NX.

[LOL_WUT]

Four major titles with nothing in between makes it a lackluster year for the Wii U. And since when did indies makeup for the absence of AAA multiplats on a console? LOL ;)

[PixelGateUk]

Same way remasterings of last gen titles are praised for expanding current gen system' library of games I'd assume

[LOL_WUT]

Like Ultimate Monster Hunter 3? ;)

Oh and Batman Arkham Knight, The Withcer 3, Fallout, Mortal Kombat X, Dying Light, Battlefront 3 and MGSV are all remasters now? Talk about being uniformed and delusional. LOL

[PixelGateUk]

' And since when did indies makeup for the absence of AAA multiplats on a console? LOL ;)'

You were talking about indies, not third party games. I thought I'd treat you like a normal person but it's clear your one of them bizarre Sega/Sonic die hard fans.

It's not our fault the only thing relevant about Sonic is Chris Chan.

'Ignored by 40' wow