Final Fantasy 7 Remake’s Combat Still Looks Turn Based

Johnny Hurricane from Gamers Heroes writes "Everyone has been freaking out about the combat system in the Final Fantasy 7 Remake ever since the new trailer launched. We took another look at the trailer and actually think the game will still be turn based but with more active movement."

[CaptainCamper]

To be honest, I feel as though that would be the perfect compromise.

Retain the tactical elements of the turn-based combat with the original but embrace more active movement to entertain the more active-combat fans.

[derkasan]

I agree. It'll manage to stay fresh this way.

[CaptainCamper]

Yeah. Could you imagine today's typical younger gamer responding to 2D style turn-based combat? :D

[SaveMeJebus]

If that was the case I would take back everything bad I said about the new combat and insert my foot into mouth. I really hope you're right, that would be awesome. Now, about being episodic...

[indysurfn]

I agree, it can stay fresh. Heck when I first tried a turn based game by accident I was a action rpg only fan. Then Lunar the silver star story turned me straight up 100% turn based.

I have seen plenty of impatient teens, and preteens fall for turn based. Their brains didn't stop working.

[XisThatKid]

Hmm if it's turn based I'm out.

[Bahamut]

@XisthatKid

BYE! :D

[Jalva]

Why not just include both? You can choose which one you want to use in the options menu, everybody wins.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

I'm pretty sure that isn't easy task to do, developing a game with two completely different styles of gameplay in mind is not an easy thing to do and not to mention would more or less double the development time.

[die_fiend]

Why not make 2 completely different fighting systems? You know that making games costs money right?

[rainslacker]

A simple wait command if they're using ATB would be sufficient. That was implemented in a few of the FF games.

To OP,

FFXIII tried to be a hybrid turn based/action RPG, and I think it failed at both. Seems that would be a logical way to implement this system here, but it would need a ton of refinement to appease both parties.

Otherwise, I doubt it's going to matter that much in the end, because if people are so hung up on that aspect of the game as to not buy it if it's one or the other, I question if they are really even fans. The battle system isn't what made FF7 so great, it was just one aspect of a greater whole. The genre is rather inconsequential to the overall product so long as it's fun.

[indysurfn]

The balancing of the game would have to be done twice! I't's hard enough to do it right once! But if you can get them to do it that would be the optimum! THAT is the ONLY way to please but the turn based and the action based with one game. I'm not saying it would be easy. Just that it would be the closest thing to a perfect solution. I have dreamed (key word there) of owning a company that does that for years.

[the_mack_attack3]

I liked the combat system in Final Fantasy 12, if they went down that route I would be very happy.

[strike101]

maybe it all depends on how well received at how many units will FFXV be

if it flops SE will go back turned based , if it sells well action RPG it is

btw AFAIK the best selling FF games were all Turn Based

[showtimefolks]

If it's turned based I am not interested. I don't see square Enix going with turned based to be honest

Maybe they should have it like dragon age, where you can go all action real time or be more tactical

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. That is what I've been telling folks for a long time, we don't even know how many times your able to strike and you likely have something like the ATB were you have a bar or something that limits your movements.

The concept of turned based doesn't really mean the game must have non free range movement, its why the director stated its not all action and they still have more to say regarding it.

[dead_pixels]

I certainly hope it is.

[vork77]

it controls like kingdom hearts man

[Blackcanary]

Not fully since in kingdom hearts you can not control Donald and Goofy. But in this you will have full control of your other characters in battle.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Nope. Its been confirmed by the director that you don't need any technical skill to actually do any attacks as its not solely based on that, ie KH or even DMC.

[I-Hate-usernames]

Would be cool if they give the option to switch between turn based combat and real time combat. Everyone will be happy.

[CaptainCamper]

Wouldn't that be incredibly hard to balance? I'd imagine taking on Ruby Weapon would be far more difficult in a real-time combat setting :D

[NovusTerminus]

They could do it the same way it was done in Dissidia.

[I-Hate-usernames]

Yeah its too hard but they announced that it will be multiseries game. They cut the game into multipart so why the hell not include two different combat type in the game. It will also increase the game length and replay ability. You know finish the game with turn based combat then come back to the game and try real time combat :) its hard but its really awesome :)

[indysurfn]

Oh yeah I forgot about that game. You can get it on a tablet now with a sweet screen size. Try getting a galaxy tab S2 and downloading dissidia for 7.99 sweet! Now lunch time will be WAY to short.

[Moe-Gunz]

This is why I love Transistor's combat system so much.

[no_more_heroes]

I saw a comment (don't remember where) that said it could be something like Grandia 2. Saw some gameplay (never heard of Grandia) and I like the idea.

[Relientk77]

If it is like Grandia 2 that would be amazing

[princejb134]

doesn't look turn based to me. Looks very kingdom heart ish.
On another note how can cloud skinny arms hold that big sword up

[nommers]

Because nanomachines

[_-EDMIX-_]

No one has seen much to even state if turns exist or don't exist. The game can still have a turn system, ie not being able to attack for a period in time.

Look at FFXII for example. Though you can pause and do your actions, you can also just press a button to do them, though it could be action base, it still had a turn system, ie you couldn't unless your at a high level, just instant kill someone, you still have a cool down, turn system etc.

[Artemidorus]

No it doesn't. Just wait for the next lot of news and details.

[ninsigma]

Considering the creators have said that there is nothing stopping the player from attacking, then I think the title is wrong.

[Relientk77]

I hope it's like the Grandia series, that would be the best.

[MehmetAlperTR]

No it s not look like turn based... :(( and i didnt like it..

[jchaplin2]

Interesting article. I do think people are over reacting; We need more info first. Especially about combat and the episodic format. Ff vii was 3 cds on the ps1. Who's to say that it doesn't have a ton of content on the ps4?

[indysurfn]

I dont remember how many it was on PS1, but I remember that it was (originally ) 7 cd's on PC. Not saying your wrong maybe the compression was diferent or PS1 had a higher capacity cd reader. Either way there is a lot of assest's in final fantasy Vii through IX.

[TheOrion]

I look at the video again and what I see is the Crisis Core style of battle, which frankly I would be okay with. Sure I would prefer turn based as it used to be but we knew the remake would mean compromise.

[Atomicjuicer]

Crisis core style sounds like the best choice to me.

[DivineAssault]

Did Yuri use turn based? Nothing does anymore and it might end up really good.. They were asked in a Q&A about the battle system being like crisis, FF15, or kingdom hearts and they said NO.. Its similar to ATB but dynamic with character swapping.. Its goin to be its own unique system which might be really good..

[TheOrion]

Maybe, too many unknowns at the moment. Time will tell.

[phantomexe]

Needs to be true turn based not this i dont want to think crap. 13 yea that was a real winner there. Please not another 10 through 15. Im ready for a real FF again. 10 wasnt that bad but you can see the route they were headed.

[DarkOcelet]

FFX and FFXII were masterpieces in my opinion.

[indysurfn]

@phantomexe good observation. When playing FFX you could see the downward spiral they where headed in. One of the big clues was when they downgraded the summons to be like PC , and a very limited number of them to boot.

No longer did you have the thousands of explosions, and over the top pump, and circumstances going on during a summon spell. Basically it was another character coming in to fight. Not to mention the gradual downgrading of the battle system.

[Gatsu]

As I've said before, fans freak out way too much and too early before we have seen more.

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol agreed.

Fanboys be like "hair was not spiked at right angle, misrepresentation of the original" lol

[jairusmonillas]

I played FF7 back in the day. No way I'm going back to play it in 2017 with the old turn based. obviously the so called ff7 fans thinks turn based what made ff7 great. There were many PS1 rpgs that played better than ff7 back then star ocean 2 had better battle, even ff9's battle was better than collecting materias. But what really pulled FF7 was it's story, characters, scenery, beautiful world everything was great from shinra to storytelling of cloud and sephiroth's past, aerith's death, going around being chased by shinra and etc, with the final duel with sephiroth. , the whole ff7 world feels so alive back then compared to most rpgs that felt EMPTY.

Turn-based was not the reason FF7 was a huge hit.

[phoenixwing]

the materia system was fun imo, collecting it and also mixing and matching it for effects

[indysurfn]

@jairusmonillas no way I'm going back to play Star ocean remake in 2018 with the even older action based system. Action is not new in video games it is the oldest gameplay on the planet. It is way order than turn based. I tried to play Star Ocean and every time I could not stay with that game play. What made Final fantasy Vii great was everything including the game play. I for one could not get past the action in star ocean. And most other action rpg's.

Action-based was not the reason that star ocean was a hit. (it may be why it was not a hugh hit though)

Turn based was one of the required for many people.

Action rpg's are not newr than turn based action rpg's came right after cards, and pen and paper. THEN turn based came so if your talking old action is the oldest think there is!!! RPG and NON-rpg.

[Adrian_v01]

Yeah but action rpgs improved and changed over time. FFXII and FFXIII tried to improve on the turn based formula and look how well it was received. Compare Star Ocean to FFXV and you'll see a drastic change. Turn based games stayed mostly the same game-play wise and that's what makes them unattractive. I used to play nothing but turn based games, everything else was crap to me. And after the 100th game with same gameplay I got tired and wanted change.

[indysurfn]

It's an irrational argument to say turn based has not changed. And action has. Every game has different version of the genre. All action rpg's still have ---action -- in them. All racing games still have turning and passing in them. Every shooting game has shooting in them. Do you see me irrationally saying a action rpg is not chaning and that is why people have not liked them? Even though they don't have regular 35% plus penetration in any country? But turn based have.

Also consider this. The biggest seller world wide is RPG's mostly turn based not action. I can say the same as you.

Except replace I used to only play turn based with, I used to play nothing but action games. (by the way why would a person only play turn based games?) At the time there where none for the first few generations of games. How did you get to 100? There are many THOUSANDS of action games, even back then. I have not gotten tired of them, or of turn based rpg's.

Compare star ocean to FFXV, and I see less difference then I see between grandia and FF VII.

You can have action RPG's and Me and others will have action RPG's.

[_-EDMIX-_]

100000% agreed. Love FFVII, but its gameplay was not its strongest feature. FFVI, FFV and FFIV before it played better imho. I forgive FFVII only because it was Square's first major 3D RPG.

[DivineAssault]

Its similar to ATB from what square stated.. Not turn based though.. Thats obsolete these days

[WarPuppet96]

I don't mind turned based but it would be cool and refreshing to see both.

[feraldrgn]

Might be more like FFXII combat then?
ATB while moving around a battlefield.

[DFresh]

F*** turn based combat.
If I wanted to wait to take turns doing a move I would play Chess.
Kingdom Hearts got it right.

[Moe-Gunz]

S**t is like playing Pokemon. I can take it sometimes (Persona) but people acting like it's the superior combat system needs to relax.

[Apollosupreme]

The combat didn't look turn based. It looked sort of like Crisis Core combat.

[Apocalypze]

Everyone was b!tch!ng that it was different now everyone is ok with it?!

[Gatsu]

I wasn't bitching.

[PistolsAtDawn]

I'd be ok with it being turn based...I just hope it doesn't end up being episodic.

[StormLegend]

I hope it isn't turn based

[TheTwelve]

Look, if I need FF7 to be turn based I'll just play FF7.

While I do prefer turn-based myself it's lack would not stop me from going crazy over this remake.