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The Witcher 3 Vs Fallout 4 - What Makes A Good RPG?

ASidCast: "With 2015 almost drawing to a close, we decided to look at the best releases this year. We noticed a curious thing in the RPG genre. Although both of the biggest RPG titles of 2015 – The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and Fallout 4 got great critic scores, The Witcher 3 received an overwhelming amount of better reception by the users and was considered a good RPG while Fallout 4 wasn’t. Why is that?"

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ARESWARLORD1665d ago

Both are excellent games both are good RPGs

Avin19731665d ago

Witcher 3 is a good rpg.

Fallout 4 is trash, is nothing compared to originals. A version for dumb Kids.

DanteVFenris6661665d ago

And witcher 3 has a shallow level up system with a terrible crafting system and terrible loot system.

They both have strengths and weaknesses. Both games are good.

Griever1665d ago (Edited 1665d ago )

I think story, characters and a compelling world/lore are the most important part of an RPG. That makes Witcher 3 a better RPG IMO. Many argue that Fallout is not even an RPG; it is more of a sandbox openworld shooter with light RPG mechanics.

The story and characters always take a backseat in Bethesda games. There isnt much of a story and you cant impact it much with your choices. Never heard of a single good story or a popular character from a Bethesda game like Geralt, Master Chief, Morrigan, Kratos, Cloud, Sephiroth, Nathan Drake etc. Maybe the original Fallouts had more memorable characters and stories (never played them) but not the modern ones.

eklektic1665d ago (Edited 1665d ago )

@griever. Did you really put master chief, kratos and nathan drake in your list of memorable rpg characters? Lmao!!

Blachek1665d ago

I've picked up Witcher 3 and am excited to dive in... I just haven't finished playing Fallout 4 yet.

I've never played a Witcher game, whereas i've played Fallout 3, and New Vegas. There is a tremendous amount of depth in the Fallout world. The character we play has a backstory, but it's secondary to the level of discovery that the world offers. I think you may be a little biased in your assessment.

livininsin1664d ago

trying to decide which game is better, Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 is what I call a high quality problem.

Griever1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

Damn, people really lack common sense. I meant they were popular/iconic characters; not "memorable characters in RPGs." It is not like I am calling those differetn genres of games RPGs. Idiots.
You people remind me of Confucius's quote,

"When the wise man points at the moon, the imbecile stares at his finger."

You guys are doing exactly that. Not seeing the point of my statement and laughing thinking I just called Uncharted, GoW and Halo an RPG. Anybody with an ounce of common sense would know what I meant and not take it literally.

Bansai1664d ago

Witcher 3 blows Fallout 4 out of the water and waves sarcastically while it's flying away.

frostypants1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

Witcher 3 is not an RPG, because you play no part in defining your role. It's a story driven adventure game for people who don't like to think.

See? Declarative statements are fun.

alvin_the_elf1664d ago

"you play no part in defining your role"

We must not be playing the same game.

Also, declarative statements are not fun unless you back them up with logic or statistics.

thekhurg1664d ago

Witcher 3 is a fantastic RPG.

Fallout 4 is an open world The Sims simulator with some weak first person shooter mechanics slapped on top of a terrible story, poor animations, thousands of loading screens, and awful dialog/voice acting.

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alvin_the_elf1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

Sorry, wrong reply.

eklektic1665d ago

A good role playing game needs to allow you to play whatever role you want in a set environment. Just like the old paper and pen games rpgs stemmed from. I believe regardless of story telling and graphics fallout 4 takes that trophy.

GarrusVakarian1665d ago

Well they are different types of RPG. The Witcher being character-driven and Fallout...less so. And while you are right, Fallout 4 removed a lot of focus on 'be who you want to be' type of gameplay through the introduction of a voiced protag/reduced dialogue options/larger focus on the (garbage) narrative.

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GarrusVakarian1665d ago (Edited 1665d ago )

@Emz99

You're agreeing with me here and you don't realise it:

"You don't pick a role at all in the Witcher"

So in one of the games you pick a role, and in the other one you don't, hence two different kinds of RPG - character driven and non-character driven. The effect of this difference has a huge impact on how the game plays out and is built. The RPG genre is no different than others in its diversity, especially now.

Agreed on your words about F4. I hope they go back to the old formula in those aspects with the next ES/FO.

_-EDMIX-_1664d ago

@emz- no.

If you want a role in Fallout 4 in terms of type, merely only level up thoses things that support what you want.

I see no reasons to FORCE it, its stupid and makes no sense. So your telling me you can't just only pick a certain number of perks you wish to use?

Oh...so they need to force you one just a set one to make you feel better, you can't do that yourself?

Sorry bud, but in real life....you very much can learn many, many different things, I see no reason to force such a unrealistic thing on players.

I was fine with that change in Skyrim, I'm fine with it in Fallout 4. It hasn't stopped me from crafting my character to fit certain play styles like I did in Fallout 3.

DanteVFenris6661664d ago

@emz I'm 53 and am not even close to specializing in everything. Just barely got my crafting perks and good mellee perks as well as miscelenious ones here and there. I'd say at about 100-150 you'll start being at that point. I think it's 300 to get all perks

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UnHoly_One1664d ago

I think he meant he is level 53. lol

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Avin19731665d ago

You can't kill every single person in FO4. You could in previous Fallout games.

Fallout 4 is far from a good rpg.

BallsEye1665d ago (Edited 1665d ago )

No not every Role Play Game must be about creating your character. As the name says, in witcher you PLAY A ROLE of a Witcher. I always preferred character creation but I've changed my mind after witcher. I really felt like I need be Geralt, think as he would, do what he would do, which made it much more interesting. If I'd be allowed to be "myself" in such game I'd probably end up playing it as I've played any other RPG. Witcher forced some stuff on me, and it made a difference for the good.

FrostXVenom1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

A good RPG needs good story,character customization,choices that actually make an impact in story,inspiring environments with memorable PC and NPC(not who only expects you do repetitive things),meaningful main quests and side quests.

Only thing W3 lacks is Char customization in terms of looks as its predefined character driven RPG.

alvin_the_elf1664d ago

You can't really play whatever role you want in Fallout 4, can you?

You can't play an evil character, you can't play an unmarried character. You'll never find an RPG outside pen and paper that lets you play whatever role you want. People like Fallout 4 because they like the role they are assigned- that one of a loving, heterosexual parent. That doesn't make it a better RPG.

eklektic1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

See you can play an unmarried character for one she/he is dead and you can take the ring off immediately. Plus you can play at least 40 to 50 hours easy without ever doing anything with the main story except the very beginning. And yes you can play a evil character trust me lmao i have plenty of pictures to prove it. You must not have a very good imagination lol.

alvin_the_elf1664d ago

No, you can't play an evil character. There are no evil outcomes to quests. You can either help them or not.

Imagination is not the issue. Writing is. See some other RPGs that actually have evil outcome of quests, because they have well written quests and not just "go there, kill this" quests of Fallout 4.

And your excuse for a game where the character is assumed to have strong family values is that he can be a bachelor after his wife is dead? How messed up is that?

Yes, I can do 40-50 hours without touching the main story. I have played a lot more in Fallout 4 without touching the main story, but isn't my character supposed to be searching for his son, who may be an infant to his knowledge? Sure, that can wait. Let's help some strangers and build a few villages first...

eklektic1664d ago

Yep you can play just like you said lol. Im playing that way and there's plenty of other people playing that way lol.

And your argument is pointless lol. You yourself just said you put in 40 to 50 hours without doing the main quest. And didn't care about your son so in a way you were role playing huh? And if you wanted to you could play another 50 hours without touching the main story. And you could end your story any way you wanted to. That's why Bethesda games are the best role playing games made these days.

At any time you could have just did the main story and find your son. But you didn't. So in a way you decided it wasn't important. That's not my fault or the writers fault.

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Perjoss1665d ago

I think Witcher 3 is the better RPG, but I enjoy exploring the world of Fallout 4 more.

mocaak1664d ago (Edited 1664d ago )

I think that Witcher 3 is a far superior game, but Fallout 4 is a better RPG, it has more choices to make your character and experience unique. At everything else though Witcher is better, story, characters, world, combat, visuals, sound, all top notch.

alvin_the_elf1664d ago

What choices?

Every other quest in Witcher 3 had a meaningful and lasting choice, that actually impacted the world and the characters. In my long, long Fallout 4 playthrough, I have found maybe a couple of quests that has choices with irrelevant consequences. The only choice you have is which perk to pick first, and which to pick later. It's not much of a choice.

chrisx1665d ago

Both games are awesome but witcher 3 to me is the best out of both

Manubiggs1665d ago

Agree, think the witcher has better storytelling

--bienio--1665d ago

The climate of the game is the most important, for me these qualities I have the Witcher 3

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