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Rise Of The Tomb Raider Low UK Sales Due To “Poor Release Timing”; Will Do “Just Fine” On PS4

According Sony’s sr. product manager Chris Brown, the low UK sales numbers for Rise of the Tomb Raider, might have something to do with Microsoft's poor release timing. Interestingly enough, Driveclub’s game director Paul Rustchynsky points out that the game will do “just fine”, when it releases on the PS4 next year.

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NatureOfLogic_3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

I agree. The game would have done a lot better if it was a PS4 timed exclusive. It really doesn't make any sense to release a game exclusively on Xbox One, especially if you want your game to gain popularity and great sales. I'm sure SE is regretting the deal with MS by now. If Halo can't move many Xbox consoles, TR never stood a chance.

VER1ON3073d ago

I don't know if thats the logical explanation. Of course the PS4 has a much bigger install-base, but launching this game next to one of the most hyped games in ages, has surely hurt sales numbers. I wonder how much the game sold in the US.

There was no need for Rustchynsky to make that kind of comment though. Could have kept that for himself.

NatureOfLogic_3073d ago

I blame MS for leaving it out to flop. Why release near all of these huge third party titles? Playstation and PC is the majority fan base of TR so it was a really dumb deal to begin with anyway.

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Automatic793073d ago

The game has a long shelf life. It will do great on Xbox One. As of right now we still have a few weeks before Black Friday sales and Christmas. A lot of folks turning the attention to TombRaider since Fallout has a big divide among player bases. Some love it and some not feeling. I have not heard one person say TombRaider is bad. Myself included what a great game. These premature articles and statements are exactly that premature.

kraenk123073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Actually NatureOfLogic_ wrote a sensible comment. There are many factors in that case...one is definitely the main fanbase not being on XBox, which showed clearly with the last game's sales. I really don't know what MS and CD were thinkin', especially with this timed exclusivity shot. I bet close to no one bought an X1 for that game..the contrary is most likely the case. Real fans possibly even were alienated all because of a 'greatest lineup in history'...yet I wonder if the game will arouse any interest at all on PS4, next year after U4 has come out.

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ChrisW3073d ago

Wow... So a game flops when it doesn't sell well because of another, more popular, game being released at about the same time.

The same number of people who were going to buy it regardless are still going to buy it... Just as soon as they finish Fallout 4.

creeping judas3073d ago

I know this almost heretical to say, but I am actually enjoying ROTR more than F4. Both great games, but just enjoying the other more.

Mr Pumblechook3073d ago

And THAT is why you don't save all your exclusives for one season.

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Eonjay3073d ago

Unless its gonna be $10 I don't know what these guys are talking about.

dirkdady3073d ago

If you want to blame someone blame microsoft as they have exclusive marketing for both fallout 4 and tomb raider. They knew well in advance of the release date for fallout and could have moved tomb raider out of dodge instead of releasing it to the slaughter as the publisher that is their responsibility to the developer - crystal dynamic/square Enix.

Genuine-User3073d ago

UK numbers are depressing.

Rise of the Tomb Raider:

Xbox One (85%) < 48,200
Xbox 360 (15%) < 8,500

Fallout 4 ~ 482,000

UltraNova3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

So TR was the first causality of Xbox's 'greatest holiday line up in history'?

As Mr Pumblechook said this is what you get when you release everything at once...

What did they expect squeezing TR between Halo and Fallout, the game was crashed like a lettuce between two giant slices of bread, literally!

Anw these kind of games (single player)have long legs, so I'm sure it will do ok until it gets released on Ps4 where it will shine.

Pixel_Enemy3073d ago

TBH I already have a PS4 and Wii U and was waiting for TR to release to get an Xbox One. When it launched on the same date as Fallout and a week before Battlefront I decided to postpone my Xbox One/TR purchase until after black Friday. I might get a better deal on the console and I have plenty to keep me entertained until then.

Ezz20133073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

We all knew that was going to happen from the start...(maybe not xbox gamers though)
It was said time and time again that ROTR would not do well coming at the same day as Fallout 4.

CD made a HUGE mistake going after the wrong system for timed exclusive(TR2013 sold more on PS3/Ps4) and the wrong date.

And i HATE timed exclusives crap anyway
that need to go ASAP.

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ghostface93073d ago

@nature of logic are you stupid crystal dynamics picks there launch window not Microsoft

remixx1163073d ago

Well what people fail to realize is its actually a couple factors, launching on the console with the smaller install base, being sandwiched in between halo, fallout 4 and cod was terribad.

It would have sold better if they launched it in maybe February or march maybe.

kenwonobi3073d ago

Release in between Halo and Fallout 4. Then there will be no late momentum because COD is coming next. Just bad timing and choices by that company. Quality game but choices also made this games success much lower than it could be.

AngelicIceDiamond3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Lets all downvote and disagree with the most logical explanation from @Ver1on. Of course the game will do just fine on PS4 its not a MS game in any stretch of the imagination.

It really about the stupid timing that MS and square release the game. Aaron Greenburg said "no its two different games it'll do fine? He shouldn't have his job if hes incapable of noticing that Fallout 4 is way more anticipated than TR.

TR imo would do wonders in January or even in early December. Just stay away from Fallout because its a megaton franchise.

Square and MS did this to themselves. Not happy with MS or Square at the moment, not happy at all but more so with MS then Square admittedly.

@Nature Of course you blame MS only. Not surprising you do nothing with your life then hate on another console and praise the other anyway and the ones agreeing are dedicate their lives to hate along with you.

I mean there's way better things you could do with your life then something as useless as plastic and wires crusading, have fun I guess.

Simco8763073d ago

The only right answer here. Fallout was the big giant in the room and TR was the ugly sister.

rainslacker3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

The exclusive deal for this game was just really bad luck on SE part, and maybe MS if they spent a lot for it. MS got the exclusive before the results were really in on what would be the most popular console...although many gamers could say they saw already. Then to have FO4 release the same day announced a few months before. Then all the other big titles which are getting released for the holidays. MS blowing their load on the advertising budget of the game since E3 of 2014.

MS didn't even need this exclusive this holiday. I'm not sure why they'd pick it up like they did just to combat UC according to some...but also don't know why SE would partner with MS when it is the place that sold the least number of copies of the game the first time around.

@dirk

Yes MS knew well ahead of time, but they didn't have FO4 to market for the year after E3 of 2014 to bolster it's library lineup for marketing purposes. Thinking about it, I believe with a Halo coming out, and getting exclusive rights to FO4, it was probably always just MS wanting to have something to show while people waited for E3 2015 for what was coming this holiday. Sucks for SE, but you make your bed, and you have to lay in it.

@Mr Pumblechook

Truer words were never spoken, and quite likely the best comment I've read on here in almost a decade.

What I find most ironic about the whole situation, ROTTR could have done amazing on PS4 this holiday with the UC delay.

MicrosoftMackin3073d ago

Shouldn't have been exclusive at all tbh

ABizzel13073d ago

@rainslacker

That wasn't bad luck. Bad luck is going outside on a clear day, but clouds roll in later that day and you left your umbrella at home.

This was the definition of stupidity and awful business management.

BattleAxe3073d ago

lol the game hasn't even been out for a full week, and Sony's employees are already acting like a bunch of jerks.

kingfetish173073d ago

I'll wait for the PS4 version next year. It'll most likely be the Definitive Edition.

UltimateMaster3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Everyone saw this coming.
Tomb Raider is a franchise originally born exclusive to PlayStation.
If it had been launched exclusive on PlayStation it would have sold a ton of copies.

There were better games Microsoft could have bought that would have brought them more sales, like Fallout 4 or the next Doom.
That's the kind of shooter Xbox fans like.
It's a bad move from Microsoft, all they did was piss off a lot of gamers that would have been interested in their console.

It's like if Sony were to buy Gears of War and make it exclusive to the PS4. How many would actually buy it? Not so much, just the people who own both consoles last gen and both this gen.
All it would have done is piss off a lot of Xbox fans against PlayStation.
It goes both ways.

Square-Enix will loose big time in this, just like they did with Lara Croft Temple of Osiris, it might become a bargain bin game in a few months.
They better not charge full price on PS4 for a 1 year old game.

Sheikh Yerbouti3072d ago (Edited 3072d ago )

@Abizzel

These certainly aren't dumb people, but it is admittedly hard to tell as a consumer. Short term, it may seem dumb, but I think it may recoup some numbers going into and out of the holidays.

Underworld did the same jumping about 30% in sales at the end of December, a month after release right during shopping time.

Readily recognizable by parents, Tomb Raider has more mindshare than Halo and Fallout. I guess its their strategy to get merchandise out there for Christmas.
Then MS sales surfs on the holiday buying frenzy, and Microsoft rides that wave till its dead. For TR Underworld it was the first week of 2009...so I'm still skeptical that it was worth it.

magiciandude3072d ago (Edited 3072d ago )

@Pumblechook

"And THAT is why you don't save all your exclusives for one season."

Well, then what on Earth was Microsoft supposed to do? Delay some of them until next year... or release them sooner full of glitches on release, like we don't already have enough of that going on at the moment?

The game has only been out for a week. Maybe some of the Fallout 4 crowd will buy TR after they're done with their game. There aren't many major releases coming out for the rest of the year, so what's stopping them from buying the game later?

Also, in the age of ever increasing digital downloads, do digital sales even count in the data?

bouzebbal3072d ago

another day another fail!
It's not even about marketing it's about common sense. You don't release a less popular franchise next to Halo and Fallout. TR should have been out in August or even in September to compete with Until Dawn which got a lot of love and sold more than TR, and also to give X1 owners something to play since last year's releases.

pinkcrocodile753072d ago

I think I need a brick wall to hammer my head against.

First the game has only been out 4 days in the UK NOT a week.

Second it's number 4 in the charts.

Third it's only on Xbox One / 360 and 85% of the sales are xbox one.

Fourth it's a stunning game thats miles and miles and miles better that UC 1, 2 and 3 and will do brilliantly on PS4 come magic baby day 2016 (I've just completed UC 1, 2 and 3 in the Nathan Drake Collection incase you were wondering) UC is great and I can't wait for that last one, but TR is the daddy and I'm sure it'll pick up speed in the next few weeks.

Plus we need to see global sales both digital and physical.

kaizokuspy3067d ago

@magician dude: my problem with the whole digital sales xbox bs argument is this. If it were a number worth noting, Microsoft would be the first to scream it into a mega phone that's pointing at your face. Digital sales aren't hard to track if you're the company that developed it and it's online infrastructure. If you don't believe they have that data on hand then I'm sorry for you. It's market data mining and getting to know your consumers by tracking how much a product sells. What our habits are and so on. So they have digital sales numbers and much like halo 5, we aren't told them because they too are just as abysmal

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decrypt3073d ago

Why have it as a exclusive at all. Release on all 3 platforms at once PC, PS4, Xbox 1.

Timed exclusive is just like shooting yourself in the foot.

Volkama3073d ago

Shooting yourself in the foot with a wad of cash.

Xb1ps43073d ago

If that's the case then if you're still stuck with just a ps4 then you're shooting your self on both legs..

Arguing over timed exclusives... Lmfao

PFFT3073d ago

Exactly! There was no need for this game to be a timed exclusive. Also for the people blaming the XB1. It wasnt the consoles fault it was Fallout 4 and the Tomb Raiders developers for releasing the game side by side. It was common sense that any game that released with fallout 4 would be obliterated. I find it quite funny that all these fanboys are looking for the smallest excuse to blame the xb1 console. You all are sad sad little people.

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AfroGear3073d ago

Tomb Raider has always been multiplatform from its first release! Selling out for a B.S. timed exclusivity will do nothing but hurt your sales and burn your fans. Stupid move alone considering Tomb Raider sold 2:1 on PS3 and PS4.So here is my dilemma: I want to let Square know that this hurt its fans. Would they take notice more if PlayStation 4 outsells the Xbox version a year later, or if fans take a stand and either don't buy it or buy it used?

RedDevils3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

It Square-enix win and MS loses. Firstly Square-enix get a huge Pay day, secondly they know people who own the PS4 and PC once the time-exclusive is over will getting the game regardless of the X1 release

_-EDMIX-_3073d ago

Agreed, but they didn't know better. This deal was likely done before PS4 and XONE released and they didn't know how the sales would be.

Now seeing it in hindsight I'm sure they would have never done that deal as they only lost money doing this, MS likely didn't pay for enough to justify all the PS4 versions on top of low XONE versions. No doubt, Square lost money on this deal.

Those numbers are extremely low.

BlackTar1873073d ago

@edmix

I don't think this was done before either of the systems released. They had a PS logo associated with it at one time.

kenwonobi3073d ago

It's selling bad. That's bad no matter how it's sliced. Blame? Microsoft.

Magnes3073d ago

@Volkama because taking a payoff and selling out is a good way to endear your self with the fans, that's a good business strategy said no one ever.

rainslacker3073d ago

Money talks. Even if it doesn't sell well on Xbox...SE gets a nice check and marketing support from a publisher and takes a lot of the risk out of making the game profitable. Eventually, it gets released on all platforms, and the sales difference is made up, while they still get to keep the original check.

It's why all exclusives happen...for that big fat check.

DarXyde3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Considering Microsoft likely subsidized a fair amount of the costs, it probably doesn't need to be overwhelmingly successful to be profitable for Square and Crystal Dynamics. I'd say Microsoft is the one who might be bothered, but even then, they could absorb this fairly easily with Minecraft and Havok pulling in revenue for them.

In the end, I don't see how any of the involved parties lost much in this exchange.

They were all warned about releasing alongside Fallout and within days of a Star Wars game and Call of Duty. All of this to embolden the "greatest games lineup in Xbox history". If they literally kicked off 2016 with it, I'm sure it would do better. It's not so much the Xbox as it is the timing.

KiwiViper853073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

@Magnes

It worked for Seth Rollins... WWE World heavyweight championship in Main event @ Wrestlemania...

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Gazondaily3073d ago

"If Halo can't move many Xbox consoles, TR never stood a chance."

It moved enough to secure a NPD win against PlayStation so where are you getting this from?

In any case, its just simply a case of bad timing because of Fallout's release. That would have overshadowed most games based on the colossal hype for it.

VER1ON3073d ago

Also, October NPD only measured 4 days in October. I'm sure Halo 5 will sell a lot of consoles. Not to mention the upcoming Black Friday deals.

UserNameIsNotTaken3073d ago

The ps4 is still at the top in the USA.. great game though.

MRMagoo1233073d ago

It didn't move enough to score a win where it actually matters tho which is world wide.

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PFFT3073d ago

See Septic gets it. BUT the disagrees to your comment just shows you how blinded some of these people are. They dont blame the Fallout 4 game no they blame the console for which it was released on.

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Rookie_Monster3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

The game is fine considerd the install base of it compared to the 2013 launch.

Unlike Tomb Raider that was launched Tuesday in the UK on 2013, this Tomb Raider came out just a few days ago, on Friday the 13th in the UK so it has a 3 day less advantage.

Also, in 2009, when a 3 year old PS3 with a higher user base and Uncharted 2 was released, it did 84k.

UNCHARTED 2: AMONG THIEVES (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) - 84,354 / NEW
http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...
So with that knowledge of how the biggest PS3 exclusive and a comparable game to TR at that time was sold, the Tomb Raider launch for XB1 doesn't seems that bad..eh? 

Secondly, the Uncharted HD for the PS4 that came out in October, its first week sales for some reason was never mentioned on Neogaf like Tomb Raider but its sold figure might be actually less than Tomb Raider on XB1 based on this information from the same person that predicted the TOMB Raider numbers. As it was #2 behind the PS4 version of Fifa and the 4 format total of it was about 100k.
  http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...
Neogaf: "So FIFA all formats did about 100,100 by my calcs based on Bruno's number for last week, meaning that Uncharted was less than that". 

So Uncharted HD did about 40k-50k with those figures as the sole big Fall exclusive on PS4 this holiday but no one made an article about how bad it was selling at the time. But there was a sale article about how Uncharted HD failed to take the top spot from Fifa's 3rd week,and the comments are totally opposite of Tomb Raider here.
http://n4g.com/news/1803685...

In the end, just enjoy the game as me and many others have regardless of how many copies it may have sold just like many games that came before it. That is the bottom line.

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Gazondaily3073d ago

@Pizza

WHy congratulate me? I'm just pointing out that saying Halo not moving consoles is false.

The whole need to turn this into "but playstation" is what irks me (but is to be expected from the fanbase).

HaydenJameSmith3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

It's funny when NPD came in for last month, HAlo and Xbox were on top then everyone was saying it doesn't represent the whole world. U.S isn't the world but when figures for UK come in for Tomb Raider then everybody is so quick to judge and lay blame. It's not like it's going up against Fallout 4, CoD and SW...

I'm sure it did fine worldwide and will become profitable over time but it was never gonna compete against the big titles no matter how good it is...

I lay blame with Square/Crystal for comitting to that date... games like this should release before or after the holidays.

RedDevils3073d ago

@HaydenJameSmith yeah, it's funny cause NPD doesn't represent the "whole world"

_-EDMIX-_3073d ago

@Sep- No. It sold bad because its literally being announced for PC and PS4, who is spending money on a title they can get else where as suppose to keep their current system?

Mind you, this NPD win is sorta nothing if you consider they didn't move more units world wide smh. What your telling me is a Halo release didn't move enough units to get them even for 1 DAMN MONTH to do the best world wide, I question if they ever will, its becoming very clear that MS is never going to out see a PS console as none of their titles are even putting dent into the PS4's lead, even their best selling IP, during a month in which the only PS4 exclusive that released as a remaster.

What happens when a real entry in the series releases?

@ElGordo- "Even destiny moved far more consoles for PS4 even though it was a multiplatform game"

Agreed and good observation. That is exactly what I've been telling people, when you factor in that 3rd party games are MOVING UNITS for PS4, it literally means XONE has lost this race before it really began. Once that starts happening, no going back. MGSV moved units too, its not as if we are just going to get less games, we will get more and they will likely continue to move PS4 units.

I mean....this is before we even factor in Sony's ace IPs. Tomb Raider was doomed to sell this badly. Even before they announced it was timed and coming to PS4 and PC, many already knew based on MS history of doing this, they are the ones that made many gamers not take the term "exclusive" seriously with them.

I called it many, many times, it wasn't even a slight shock to me, it was an inevitability due to MS history of actually doing things like that and its clear those sales are showing many are not following for that line any more.

MS didn't move units with it, Square didn't move software with it, was a failure on both sides. The reality is, good games will sell. I'm sorry but Fallout 4 isn't stopping Star Wars from doing huge units, Black Ops 3 isn't stopping Fallout 4 from doing huge units. Many need to put that sad theory to rest as the reality is, the top XONE exclusives this fall sold poorly ,period.

Christopher3073d ago

***In any case, its just simply a case of bad timing because of Fallout's release. That would have overshadowed most games based on the colossal hype for it.***

And yet when I said that months ago, people said "TR will sell a ton, you'll see."

I wish more people had this outlook back then rather than after release.

Wallstreet373073d ago

An NPD win of what? like 10,000 extra consoles that could have been the cause of many factors lol Plus Microsft PR stacking Halo numbers with merchandise, bundles, the kitchen sink just to make it seem that it was a grand release and victory.

The Halo 5 launch may have been impressive to you thanks to Microsoft's PR spin but you been here awhile and should know better. Time and time again Microsoft has made fans look like ...... after the pr spin has been analyzed and the real end result has been divulged.

Just like "Xbone cannot work with out Kinect" and the Mister Media x followers saying "yeah the os and blah blah cant function without Kinect and its the greatest thing in history" later to have Microsoft conveniently remove it and make fans look like .....

Gazondaily3073d ago

@christopher

"I wish more people had this outlook back then rather than after release."

Well I did say that it would cause a dent in sales previously near release as opposed to after:

http://n4g.com/news/1818366...

But should we really be concerned about the sales for this when

1) MS have no doubt paid a pretty penny for the timed exclusivity of this title

2) Its coming out on PC and PS4 later anyway

3) PS4 players dont need it because #Uncharted?

Dee_Blessed3073d ago

Septic you're getting the dislikes because that "xbox dethroned ps4" crap, was just hopeless trolling by a number of journalists. The greatest game in xbox history will move units. But apparently you missed that it was ONLY IN AMERICA. Xbox outsold ps4 in the U.S. not worldwide. Only world wide sakes really matter. And for it to still be a close race with xbones biggest exclusive ever, says alot. Look I'm not trying to hate, but you got to be realistic, worldwide, ps4 dominates, and it's only released 2 mega hit exclusives, which are 2 new ips (bloodborne&Until Dawn). Just imagine when U4 releases

zeuanimals3073d ago

@Septic:

1) "MS have no doubt paid a pretty penny for the timed exclusivity of this title."

That does nothing to help grow the franchise for future releases, especially if it doesn't move out of the way of bigger games that almost completely overshadow it. It's a short term profit for a long term loss, you never take that route unless the long term profit is just not possible.

2) "Its coming out on PC and PS4 later anyway"

And games that release later on other platforms don't tend to do well on those platforms. They're seen as old releases or they don't get the general launch hype that new games get. That could be different with ROTTR if they put serious marketing behind it, but the PS4 version isn't just releasing later, it's releasing around this time, next year. I think there's going to be a few 1st and 3rd party games that Sony are going to advertise and have overshadow that release a bit. MS should atleast let the game release at the same time as the PC version in the typically dry summer so it's not a complete dud on arrival.

3) "PS4 players dont need it because #Uncharted?"

True, but options, what are they? But I guess you're right because in the past, Xbox 360 users didn't need any other shooters other than Halo which is why Call of Duty was never associated with Xbox and MS never paid for anything in regards to Call of Duty.

WelkinCole3073d ago

Septic. Still with this 400 million plus revenue which includes hardware sales.

The PS4 hardware sales revenue alone is 500 million a month on average (1.25mill)

Spin it as much as you like. It really is a drop in the bucket against the PS4 if we look at it.

lastking953073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

@ hayden, it already profitable, ms money paid for the development and then some. CD is pocketing pretty much all the money made from sells. MS is the one hoping the deal pays off not CD.

@welkin listen to yourself lol. Halo 5 brand alone in 4 days made almost as much money as the ps4 does in a month as a whole. You just proved how well halo has done lol. Thx for the statistics xD

XabiDaChosenOne3073d ago

@rookiemonster Im finding it hard to understand your logic. Why bother comparing an HD remaster collection and a recent AAA game?

dirkdady3073d ago

Septic Xbox barely beat ps4 and that was with 4 months of halo bundle preorders kicking in this month.

Black Ops and Star Wars ps4 preorder bundles have been charting in the top 10 for a couple month on Amazon.
Guess what's going to happen with those bundles actually sell this month? Yep you guessed it. :)

GTgamer3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Sonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn you really be wanting me to roast ya goofy self that's Ms biggest exclusive and if that didn't sell then it would of been laughable and stop acting like it sold allot,when Sony only had Uncharted collection which is just a remaster which I didn't even buy (because I own all uncharteds). not to mention it only beat the PS4 in North America so please calm yaself(yall really acting reckless) because when Sony wins next month you better be mute.

WelkinCole3072d ago

@lastking.

Seriously?.

500 million is hardware alone not including software sales and peripherals.

Halo the MS savior can only manage 400 million including BOTH hardware and software.

Basically Sony does not have to do anything to counter Halo even with just hardware sales alone.

Get it now?.

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KillerPwned3073d ago

Well MS had to write SE a big fat check to release this in an exclusive way in hopes of selling consoles and it's gonna come to PS4 and the game will just sell better. So SE really benefits regardless of what happens. It's MS that loses out on the money spent.

vikingland13073d ago

I agree with you and well said.

IIFloodyII3073d ago

Not necessarily, I think it's a lose lose all round, Square got an early pay check, but have damaged a great reboot with a stupid release date and unnecessary timed exclusivity deal.
MS blown who knows how much on something that didn't even make a dent in the sales "war", money which would be better spent on an actual exclusive.
PS and PC players have to wait for a ( by all accounts) great game, for no other reason than MS panicking and trying to counter Uncharted 4, only for Uncharted 4 to say nope, and dodge the Fallout 4, CoD and Battlefront slaughter.

NotAFanboyyy3073d ago

Exactly. People keep asking why did Square do this deal. They got that big fat check like you said and get to release on PC and PS4 later on. The reboot sold well in terms of units sold but the studio clearly wasn't happy with the earnings at the end of the day.

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zeuanimals3073d ago

The question is, does that money from MS secure the possible lost sales they would have gotten had they not gone the timed exclusive route? Maybe, we don't know how much money was paid and how much money was lost in either scenario so everything is speculation. What I do know is that timed exclusives or games that just took a long time to port to another system don't tend to do so well on the systems they later release on.

The release is seen as "new to that console but not actually new" and it doesn't have the launch hype, unless SE are planning to hype it up which is hard to do with a game that's been out for a year. Launch hype happens at launch, maybe they could set a precedent and manage to hype up the relaunch but I doubt it.

All that will likely happen is they'll be reminding everyone that it's coming out on the PS4. Also, it really shouldn't release at around the same time, next year on the PS4. Next November will likely be just as packed with Sony's own exclusives that will be highly advertised and whatever big 3rd party games that may surround it. It'll fare much better with a summer release with the PC version but MS forced it to be a year and have essentially killed it, twice. Well, maybe once. We don't know if the game couldn't be delayed like other games that skipped this holiday's 3rd party madness to release post-holiday winter or spring, if MS or SE forced it to be released at this time, or whatever else.

Still, speculation on my part but this is damaging to all parties. This isn't a win to MS because the deal doesn't really do much for them and it could discolor their relationship with SE. It's not a win to SE or CD because it doesn't help grow the franchise into being more loved by more people, and it may not have covered the lost sales they could have received had it been delayed and available on other systems simultaneously. It's not a win for Sony either because it's a 3rd party release that's historically been stronger on their platforms but that is likely not going to do well this time.

WelkinCole3073d ago

No there are many reasons why it has been a really bad move.

1. MS and Crystal Dynamics scheduled TR to go up against U4 this holiday season which would have garner attention for TR on X1. Now instead it is crushed by F4 on X1.

2. This move has alienated its biggest fanbase on both PS and PC and sales after a whole freaking year will be greatly diminished. It leaves a very bad taste for fans on both PC and PS and will not win CD and MS any fans.

3. MS looses good ammo to push console sales because of their fixation on the holiday season sales. If they waited until Jan or Feb which are slow periods to release TR it would have given it air to breath and sold to fans then and would help console sales to boot. Instead it just got lost because of F4 and Halo 5 on X1.

I have no idea why MS thinks that gamers only want to buy games in the holiday season. Gamers would appreciate more if they get good games throughout the year. Especially in slow periods like spring.

TheCommentator3073d ago

Wrong. SE wasn't even going to make the game until MS offered to fund it. When it hits PS4 everyone including Sony should be thankful, but as usual Sony have to be a bunch of douchebags about everything.

zeuanimals3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

@TheCommentator:

How would you know that? TR2013 sold nearly as much as FFXIII and FFXIII-2 combined. You're saying they allowed FFXIII to have two sequels because it did nothing but damage the franchise's image but TR2013, which was released to glowing reviews (which I don't agree with) and sparked new interest in the franchise wasn't even going to get one? Sure, burn that new, strong foundation you've just built but keep building upon the sinkhole that is FFXIII.

Square Enix is dumb, they're not that dumb, atleast I don't think it's humanly possible to be that dumb but maybe they achieved that.

Still, ROTTR was announced at E3 2014 without anything regarding exclusivity, though it was on MS's show, but so were plenty of games that didn't have anything in regards to exclusivity with the Xbox One. The chances of it being a timed exclusive from the start and the chances of it becoming a timed exclusive post announcement are chances that we have no percentages on, unless you have some insider's knowledge for it. Hopefully you have some insider's knowledge into how dumb SE can be too.

rainslacker3073d ago

@TheCommentator

Woah...where'd you hear that? I'd like a source for that info. Seems kind of odd that SE would announce the game almost a full year prior to the exclusive agreement being announced with PC, Xbox, and PS displayed on the marketing material, just to not make the game at all. It defies all logic in fact.

I think you might be confusing ROTTR with another game, heard some misinformation, or are just making stuff up.

memots3073d ago

What i find the most surprising here is that people are still calling it an Exclusive when its on 360 as well and announced for PC and Ps4.

I seem to remember people saying that LittleBig Planet 3 was not a true exclusive because it was also on the ps3 ?? And yet Lbp3 is not going to pc or any xb console. So what gives ?

TheCommentator3073d ago

Sorry guys, I must have misremembered. Swore I'd read that before but can't find info to back it up.

Sony are still douchebags though, IMO, just read this article.

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Rarefaction3073d ago

Halo, cod and fallout just dropped and just cause and battlefront imminent...simply too many games. Sorry tr.

ninsigma3073d ago

Tr has scored better than both cod and halo and from personal experience tr is a much better game than halo. I've said before, yes tr had to compete with those games but those games are also competing with tomb raider. I don't think it's as big a factor as some would believe. A bigger factor is that the majority fanbases is not on xbox so it's selling to the minority of the core audience.
Regardless, it is a great game so far that many will enjoy whether it be now or later.

ABizzel13073d ago

@ninsigma

Fallout 4, Forza 6, Halo 5, TR, and COD all released within 2 months of each other, and all scored similar metas (83 - 88).

Popularity was going to decide which of these games would be the most successful, and on COD >/= Halo > Fallout >>> Forza > Tomb Raider.

Tomb Raider had little chance of ever being a huge seller with the time frame it was released in. If they wanted it to succeed it should have launched either September with Forza 6, or January 2016, but they were so desperate to get that full 1 year exclusive and far away from Uncharted that they dropped it in a dead zone in the hopes that holiday sales might save it.

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lelo2play3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Some PR managers/developers should just STFU, because if/when they open their mouth, crap comes out...

These guys commenting like this, looks like the are gloating, arrogant pr**ks.

SpeakTruthAlways3073d ago

Now now, let Aaron Greenberg have some competition, it's good for the industry.

Why o why3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Wow lelo....you must of layed into greenberg pretty vehemently if you feel this strongly about this........ must of

In regards to how its perceived. ....well, many had stated the strange release timing long before now. I think all camps can agree it was going to be a harder sell due to competition.

ABizzel13073d ago

Why? They were asked the question on their twitter, and simply answered, and nothing he said was arrogant / gloating / or wrong.

The game didn't sell well in UK, and that's because of it's awful launch date. There's other factors, but those are the ones they listed and they're 100% true.

Get out of your feelings.

rainslacker3073d ago

Yeah it sucks when these execs talk about something on another console, and then try to bring their console into it. I hate it when Phil Spencer does it every single time he is asked the same type of question or gives some congratulations to Sony....seriously...go look up his quotes to see he does the exact same thing.

So I guess I kind of agree with you. The execs on all sides need to stop mentioning their consoles when asked a question or giving compliments.

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mark_parch3073d ago

I think a lot of people will buy after they have played fallout 4 for a few months. I have just finished tomb raider campaign and I think it is very impressive probably my second favourite game so far this year behind witcher 3. It will only sell well next Christmas if it is really cheap as a) it will be a year old b) ps4 ownwers will probably be upset about waiting a year and boycott it c) there will be even more competition next year with all the exclusives played on both consoles

kenshiro1003073d ago

Um...by the time those games are finished, new ones will be out.

Game should have been multiplat.

BlackTar1873073d ago

i think that people will play this after those games but it won't be for full price possibly or used. They should ahve been Multiplat taking a multi plat game and turning it exclusive on the smallest install base between the two was really a poor decision.

Malacath3073d ago

No it wouldn't.

They should never have released it at the same time as Fallout 4 on any platform

If it had been released as a PS4 exclusive instead it still wouldn't have topped the UK charts. It just can't compete with Fallout 4.

Besides number 4 in the all formats charts isn't bad considering the top 3 games are all multi-platform

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Azzanation3073d ago

Halo made MS $400m including Software and Hardware sales, a feat not many games in general can achieve. It did move X1s, it just didn't move as many as the last Halo game. There's a big difference in what your saying and what actually happened.

When you bring up "TR released against big named games" excuse then what the f^%$ do you think TR is? If anything more gamers know about TR then they know about Fallout.

The game is great and its doing fine, want to play it now then get a X1, don't want to get a X1 and want to wait then wait. TR will continue to sell next year aswell.

Why would SE regret a timed deal? They made money out of it, you know the thing that people work for.

johndoe112113073d ago

Reading this comment literally hurt my eyes. I'm going to assume you are being sarcastic because there is no way in hell anyone would make such a ridiculous comment unless they were joking or completely wasted.

BlackTar1873073d ago

More gamers know what TR is and who lara croft is but that doesn't mean more gamers want to play the game.

Everyone knows who Lara Croft is she was a sex icon for gamers for like 15 yrs she has multiple movies starting the once fine Angelina Jolie. That in no way means everyone is more interested in the game that's coming out.

rainslacker3073d ago

More people know about TR generally sure, just more people care about Fallout. Fallout is not some podunk niche release. It's up there with GTA or COD.

Azzanation3072d ago

Those saying TR isn't popular haven't proved my point wrong. TR is more popular which is my point. Its not a new IP against Fallout. Fallout is a good series but so is TR and two completely different games. They will both sell well.

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windblowsagain3073d ago

Tomb raider should never have been a timed release.

Most people know it as a Playstation game because of the success of the original playstation game. Although it launched on saturn and PC as well.

Fast forward and tombraider being a timed exclusive to the 2nd best selling console was a mistake.

PS4 version will be 60fps. 1080p.

vegasgamerdawg3073d ago

So all sales are in, they will sell no more TR. Nobody can pick up a copy later, it's against the law??? This is an article for the young fanBOY unable to resist click bait.
Will it sell better on Ps4? No doubt, but this article is about nothing.

Enjoy your brainless cherry picking fanBOYs.

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UKmilitia3073d ago

well this was my worry before fallout 4 was even announced to release same week.
i dont think fallout affected it as much as people think.
Its more to do with console sales and how many people are into that game.
i just hope MS paid them enough to make it worth while making xb exclusive.
I expect many to get it on ps4 though me included but if price drops by xmas i will just get xb1 version.

even halo sales was a bit disapointing imo.

Chevalier3072d ago

But they could have irrevocably affected their franchise by alienating their biggest market. Getting paid is great sure, but, if they thought the other one sold so little then this is not going to help. They're going to lose mindshare among the fans and their next release even if it is multiplatform without exclusivity the damage may be done by then.

kenshiro1003073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

It's a shame really, because this game should have been released on both consoles.

And the people trying to downplay this needs to stop making excuses. Microsoft needs to stop doing timed exclusivity because it has never helped them in the past, except to have bragging rights.

Also, stop using Street Fighter 5 as a crutch when the situation with that game is completely differently. The game was made from the ground up to be on PC and PS4.

TwoForce3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

And one reason i don't like MS said that they want their own " uncharted " game. Like WTF ? Are you seriously ? If you want to have your own Uncharted game, then make it yourself. Don't believe me ? MS said it in the first place. I hate to say this. But i was right about this all time, the game sales overshadowed by BO 3 and Fallout 4.

Gamble203073d ago

It's not just that PS4 is the leading platform. It's that, worldwide, the PS4 unit lead is so massive and dominant in some regions outside North America SE doomed the games launch in those regions by not being available on it. Not to mention the fact that the game is already traditionally a PlayStation franchise. Or it was anyway.

Major_Glitch3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Lol. To quote myself from a previous article: "And that's why it's a dumb idea to sign a timed-exclusivity deal with anyone other than Sony."
To game developers everywhere: If you want your game to sell, then DON'T sign any timed-exclusivity deals with MS and DON'T release it on the same day as a multi-platform megaton like Fallout 4. Common sense.
To the Xbox Community: Thanks for voting with your wallets. You've all proven my point far better than I could've. Hate to say "I told you so", but...

MattE3073d ago

Nonsense.. everyone fails to point out time and time again that digital sales aren't counted..

NPDS don't mean sh!t chap..

ROTTR is excellent by the way.. just thought I would let you know

Why would they regret the deal? MS obviously compensated the loss of sales on the casual player that is the PS4?

Chevalier3072d ago

So you know how much was played? It's not just about money. You guys are quite shortsighted for looking only at now. It was already lower then expected sales the last time and yes money helps short term, but, if you lose your biggest group of supporters going forward, you've lost mindshare and future games may not happen and if they do will the fans come back? Screwing with your biggest market is not going to do the franchise favours going forward.

ic3fir33073d ago

it seems people forget that the uncharted 3 sold in UK 84k on launch lol

mEATgrinder3073d ago

Nothing to do with Halo. It went up against Fallout that was the issue

Condemnedman3073d ago

It's one been out less than a week. This is just a salty story to me from a no name website.

Gamble203073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

But the biggest sales occur during the first week on a blockbuster game like this was. It will sell more due to its proximity to the holiday season and the fact that SE will have to start discounting it because every game loses its luster after the first few weeks. But when it's all said and done there's no way they can be happy about the way it has sold. And it's not just the MS exclusivity deal. It's also attempting to match up with Fallout 4 and fresh off of Halo 5/COD. Who made that choice? Absolutely crazy.

Kiwi663073d ago

"I'm sure SE is regretting the deal " that could be said about any deal like that not just this one and how do you know if it wouldnt've had simillar numbers on ps4 given what games it was up against

showtimefolks3073d ago

I am a ps4 owners and SE isn't getting my money next year. I will buy it when it's dirt cheap and used

I hope more ps4 owners buy it used to make an statement. We the Playstation fans made tomb raider into a big hit and now SE turned on its loyal fans

They deserve the less sales you choose the console with half the install base of ps4 and than release it next to dome of the biggest IP's, than what did they expect?

aconnellan3073d ago

"It really doesn't make any sense to release a game exclusively on Xbox One, especially if you want your game to gain popularity and great sales"

I see what you're saying given the gap in sales, but with that logic, Naughty Dog is missing millions in sales by releasing Uncharted exclusively to PlayStation, and missing out on PC and Xbox - ergo, you're suggesting every game made should be multiplat so developers gain maximum popularity and sales.

There will always be exclusives for every platform - perhaps it's the platform that developer prefers, perhaps they were paid by the publisher/manufacturer, etc. Always have, always will be.

rainslacker3073d ago

Sort of flawed logic when talking about a 1st party studio, or even studios who have the game fully funded by the console makers. MS, Sony, and Nintendo all reap higher benefits from keeping those games as full exclusive beyond just game sales. It gives their product something unique that can't be found anywhere else. Many 1st/2nd party exclusives do well, because they typically are good games, and these types of games get extra hype because they're exclusive.

The actual original comment should have been don't release a game as a timed exclusive, because it won't do much for you except in some rare cases. Activision knows better, and only offers up DLC as timed, so at least they aren't fully excluding an entire market base. Same with Ubi and AC.

Another good example would be Titanfall. A full exclusive, which could have been timed, failed to really become what it could have been because it was limited to a single console. The sequel will not have the same hype unless it really shines, because the dominate console didn't have people playing it. It's a shame, but when you make exclusive deals of any sort, you're taking a risk of losing out on more for the long term for the security of mitigating risks for the short term.

UncleJerry3073d ago

No doubt it would have sold better as a ps4 exclusive, but really the key here would have been to NOT be exclusive in the first place. Either way, regardless of where it launched first, Fallout 4 undoubtedly put a hurting on their chances for big launch-day sales. I'm not arguing that it couldn't have done better anywhere else but simply stating what is probably fact and anyone who denies that is a little mental. Even this Chris Brown guy seems to think the launch window was a key issue. Also, I think his comments are maybe a little immature and out of place for someone in his position...just kind of distasteful. But we have seen that on MS side in the past with Greenberg, I just don't know if he's ever done it like this.

Gamble203073d ago

Not just Fallout 4 which was bad enough, but right after Halo 5 and COD which both had huge marketing deals and both are established properties for Xbox owners.

X-233073d ago

It doesn't make sense NOW, but you have to remember the time frame in which the decision was made. The PS4 has always had a lead, but it wasn't dominating like it is now. Just think of other Publishers who made the wrong choice early on with other games. Such as Crytek with Ryse and Capcom with Dead Rising 3, Titanfall isn't going to be a XB exclusive anymore and the list goes on.

Personally I always thought it was a poor decision to make. TR has a collective fanbase that's accumulated over the years and the majority of that fanbase has always been on PS consoles and on PC. The fans gave the game good reception, and all this Tomb Raider vs Uncharted nonsense that's been magically cooked up because of the timed XB exclusivity didn't even exist when the TR Reboot first appeared.

To be honest, I'm a Tomb Raider fan, I have been since the early years, but if they don't make as much money as they where hoping then I'm glad, they deserve that L for kicking their fanbase to the curb to try and make a really quick profit.

rainslacker3073d ago

I believe you reap what you sow, but at the same time, it is a shame that if the sales of this game fail to live up to standards then it could hamper the potential for more games in the series.

Because of this I have mixed feelings.

On the one side, I don't like timed exclusive deals, or purchased deals like with Titanfall where it wasn't needed, so would love publishers to get it out of their heads that it's a good idea to do these types of deals in the future. I'd personally love it more if they'd just be honest about why they do them, instead of making up some BS story for why it was necessary.

On the other side, I don't want devs to suffer, or good IP's or games to go to the vault, and possibly cause closures of developers because the publisher decided to mitigate their risks early on despite losing out on high potential gains for the future.

Gamble203071d ago

At the time SE made the deal with Microsoft, PS4's sales domination was actually even greater than it is now. Although, obviously, the total unit lead was lower since sales have accumulated since that time. The momentum was clearly in favor of PS4 before the deal was made.

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DevilOgreFish3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

224 agrees agreeing with a sony employee's statement, Very pro sony website for sure. And such typical PR coming from sony. If i'm not mistaken Titanfall sold 10 million Between XBox 360, xb1 and PC. lets see if the ps4 TR version bests the sales from the sold copies from Xbox 360, XB1 and PC.

bobtheimpaler3073d ago

I don't see this game doing all that well by the time it comes out on PS4 next year.

Once it releases it will have to contend with the likes of Uncharted 4, Horizon, PSVR, the new COD, DICE game, the last guardian, FFXV or any other game I can't remember at the moment or has yet to be announced.

With that level of ompetition, I would be absolutely shocked if they try putting it out at full price. It could break even, but I doubt it would be the success that Crystal Dynamics and Square wanted it to be.

Every decision they made regarding this game's release has been nonsensical.

I have no interest in it myself. Tomb Raider was one of the first truly 3D games I got to play when it came out on the original playstation, and I hate what Square Enix has done to the franchise by turning it into some unremarkable TPS with weak platforming and combat mechanics.

BLAKHOODe3072d ago

Like SE didn't get bucket loads of cash to put TR on Xbox One first. Ultimately, it won't matter, because not only do they have a hot release for Holiday 2015, but they'll fix whatever bugs and have an even hotter release for Holiday 2016. It's a win for SE no matter how you look at it. The only one hurting are the PS4 gamers who have to wait it out, but they will likely get a superior version of the game in doing so. In the meantime, there is plenty of other stuff to play this time of year.

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Relientk773073d ago

It is poor timing why did you release it the same day as Fallout 4 and a couple days off Black Ops 3. Two of the biggest games of the year

PaleMoonDeath3073d ago

Shame, by then we'll have been spoilt by Uncharted 4's world. Should have made it multi-platform from the get go.

ScaReCrow903073d ago

I certainly hope that's true. Personally I preferred tomb raider over uncharted. UC 4 if it's like the previous ones will have enemy waves like crazy and dumb ai.
Sure it'll look pretty and play pretty but I prefer tomb raider gameplay more.

We will see.

MRMagoo1233073d ago

You either haven't played uncharted before or are remembering a different game.

mark_parch3073d ago

I prefer the the exploration on tomb raider, uncharted is to linear for me still a great game

muzikjunkie803073d ago

ScaReCrow90

i have to agree with scarecrow on this iv got uncharted and its a good game but tomb raider is a lot deeper game-play wise. i will explain to people that cant handle criticism or pure facts.

uncharted is more or less a cover shooter with limited exploration elements and very linear most of the time you follow just one path, no weapon customization, no side missions, no crafting for survival, no upgrades etc feels more like a movie as there are more cut scenes than actual game-play but as i said i enjoyed all 3 games and will be purchasing UC 4.

rise of the tomb raider how ever has more than one path, a lot more exploration, you craft weapons, health kits, explosives, you upgrade weapons by finding parts you have to acquire new skills in order to get to other parts ie lock-pick, rope for the bow etc the game is a lot more survival based, you heath does not regenerate (unlike uncharted) you dont get ammo off corpses, you help people in the game (side missions) you have to find tombs and hunt for animals etc and the list goes on.

when i played tomb raider definitive edition i was hooked, played it straight for 2 whole days on survival difficulty and was drawn into the game more than uncharted however both are good games.

now let the disagrees roll in from the insecure fanboys

ScaReCrow903073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

Gotta admit. Didn't expect so many disagrees. It seems fanboys are all over this comment and can't take criticism.
I've just recently replayed all the uncharted in the collection and was left quite disillusioned. Also just recently played tomb raider and was left very hyped and excited for this one. Fans should learn critiquing skills as it's very important in life.
Fyi never said either game was bad. just interesting to see so many disagrees but not a single constructive argument or opinion from an uncharted fan as to why they disagree.

zeuanimals3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

"Learn critiquing skills". Okay, let's critique. I'm only talking about TR2013 as I haven't played ROTTR yet. Tomb Raider was trying to bill itself as an action packed game. It still doesn't have traditional melee or hipfire to soften up enemies and to quickly engage them like Uncharted does. This makes it slower paced and limits the range of combat scenarios you can have, which is opposed by the fact that you receive automatic weapons that encourage you to play in a certain way without fully utilizing said approaches.

People deride Uncharted for its floaty shooting mechanics, but atleast the mechanics as a whole combine to make classic arena gameplay possible whereas Tomb Raider's limited combat mechanics really limits you to cover shooting or stealth against its stupid AI. Uncharted's AI is stupid too, but that's also only during the limited stealth scenes. Uncharted 4 looks to have improved on everything far greater than Tomb Raider has.

Along with the limited number of approaches that can be used fully, the game also lacks the explosiveness that it tries to convey in various areas. It's toeing the line between 127 Hours and a Mission Impossible movie without the genuine humanity of 127 Hours and the inventiveness of MI. It also turns out that the mix between the two is not genuinely horrific from an empathetic standpoint or exciting in a Hollywood blockbuster kind of way, but instead it comes off more as goreporn glorification. Atleast Uncharted sticks with the excitement of Mission Impossible and doesn't try to be anything more substantial than that, because the two ideas don't mix.

The exploration is shallow, never taking you anywhere that builds on the narrative nor does the trip have any memorable obstacles that need to be overcome. Great, you got to a temple that didn't really have anything exciting along the way and that totally wrecked the game's pacing... What's in that temple? Nothing really, except a generic collectible that Lara talks about briefly. Uncharted has those generic collectibles too, but you're not encouraged to get them as a reward for doing something that's supposed to be central to the point of the game. Just pick them up if you see them. Also, you didn't actually have to get the collectibles in TR2013, so that's good. They're "pluses" for those that want them, I'll want them when there's a reason to and not because OCD dictates that you have to do everything.

Uncharted's lack of exploration isn't a bad thing, it allows you to explore what's necessary and cuts out the possible fluff. If Uncharted had exploration, I'd want it to be deeper than just going through somewhere to get something that's not important, but even then, I still don't really want that. Uncharted games are all about the highlights of an adventure and keeping good pacing. Deep exploration with multiple deep paths that lead to their own sub-adventures are not good for a well-paced game. This also means that you'll be spending a bit of your time doing sub-adventures than seeing the highlights, which again, messes up the pacing. It's just not the type of game that Uncharted wants to be. Let loot heavy games with a million different sub-adventures handle the exploration, those games aren't interested in having good pacing at all and it's not to the game's detriment. Also, VR.

And then there's the narrative and characters of TR... Again, I've only played TR2013.

UncleJerry3073d ago (Edited 3073d ago )

@muzikjunkie80, I basically agree with you. Having now gotten well into RotTR and also having played through the reboot several times, I actually can say that if faced with a choice, I really might go TR. UC is has consistenly knocked me out of my shoes and I love the franchise (I regularly try to sell my friends on it who only own x1 and tell them the ps4 is worth $350 for uncharted games alone). Luckily for me I don't have to choose. I just can say, IMO, I actually have really come to prefer the added exploration etc. But don't get me wrong, UC has its own thing going, and there's really no ride quite like uncharted.

@scarecrow: Honestly, you were gonna get 1,000 disagrees on this site just by saying you don't prefer UC, but in reality you are allowed your own opinion...I think it is the "dumb AI" part I have to disagree with. UC doesn't really have ground breaking enemy AI, but overall it fits well with the game and always performs consistently. It is really the mix of top-notch voice acting and mo-cap, mixed with engaging environments and fun, varied combat that sells the game. The AI isn't ground breaking, and personally I wouldn't even say I love the shooting mechanics (again, opinion), but the UC taken as a whole deserves all the praise it gets. I just hate how NO ONE on this site can seem to at least respect those who do prefer TR. CD did a great job with the reboot and sequel.

WelkinCole3072d ago

lol! good for you I guess. Its your preference that you like TR as it is a different game from Uncharted.

Come March U4 will win countless awards and millions more play it and like it over TR because to them they prefer it over TR.

Its ok. You and Muzik and others here can still enjoy your TR lol!.

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retrogamer093073d ago

Uncharted collection couldn't even outsell Yoshi Woolieworld and is still behind halo in preorders. Lol get ready for those sales.

windblowsagain3073d ago

Yoshi appeals to the Japanese, just like most of their characters. They are meant for children. just like Pokemon.

nix3073d ago

Fodder. Fodder for fanboys. NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM...

marioJP873073d ago

Correction - due to Fallout 4.

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jznrpg345d ago (Edited 345d ago )

Zero Dawn sold really well so I’m not sure this belongs. The second game released next to a big game again and it hurt it some I forget what it was though, oh yeah Elden Ring .
But a good game is a good game to me I don’t care when they release personally but they do have to think about it when you want to get more people to buy it.

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The Tomb Raider Survivor Trilogy's Take on Lara Croft Deserved More Recognition

The Survivor Trilogy was a drastic reimagining of Lara Croft and Tomb Raider, and it provokes changes for the character that are truly fantastic.

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isarai458d ago (Edited 458d ago )

Deserves less IMO, i think the 1st in the new trilogy was a perfect 1st step for the new direction. The next 2 games were half steps at best. Not only that, every character in the series including Lara is just annoying and doesn't make sense in terms of motive, like yes they have a motive, but none of it seems proportional to the lengths they are willing to go through for it. The most annoying thing is every one of the games say "become the Tomb Raider" yet 3 games later and we're still not there? No thanks. Then there's the mess of the 3rd game, massive skill tree that serves almost no purpose as there's literally only like 3-4 short encounters in the whole game, and they took till the 3rd game to finally manage some decent puzzles even remotely close to previous games in the series. Nah, the trilogy infuriated me to no end as a long time fan of the series, i hope we get better going forward cause that crap sucked.

Army_of_Darkness456d ago

The first in the trilogy was my favorite. I thought they were going into the right direction with that one until the second one came out and seemed like a graphical downgrade but the gameplay was okay. As for the Third, Graphics were really nice but it was kinda boring me to death with its non-stop platforming and exploring with not enough action! Well, for me anyway...

DeathTouch456d ago

Graphics on the 3rd one were abysmal. It’s more colorful and has more variety, but everything else was a noticeable downgrade.

The more open world with NPC quests was also handled very poorly, to the point I missed Angel of Darkness.

thesoftware730456d ago

I know it is your opinion, but she did progress as a character in each game, she even got more muscular and seasoned.

That is the thing, people first complained that there was not enough platforming and actual tomb raiding in the first and second games. Shadow remedied that and kept the combat elements.

3-4 encounters? huh? did we play the same game? there was plenty of combat and, the skill tree did matter, like being able to hang enemies from trees, set explosives traps on bodies, being able to counter, and that are just a few of the combat skills. The skill tree also had things like being able to hold your breath underwater longer, crafting upgrades, zipline upgrade, and climbing upgrades that all changed how you can approach situations.

Not knocking your opinion, but we definitely had different experiences. I had 98% completion on the shadow.

SoulWarrior456d ago (Edited 456d ago )

Sorry but i'm with him about the low number of encounters, the game throws loads of weapons and skills you're way with a comparatively low amount of places to actually use them, so they felt under utilised.

-Foxtrot458d ago

Yeah...no

It was awful, for THREE GAMES it was "become the Tomb Raider" where she went back to square one after each game. Not to mention after a huge reaction of killing someone for the first time she then becomes Rambo straight after and goes on a slaughter spree without a single other reaction. Her development was all over the place.

She was whiney, weak and in later game a little arrogant and selfish

Oh and the voice actress compared to the previous ones was not as good

Lara Croft deserved better and while they are decent games as they are, we deserved actual Tomb Raider games, we could have had better survival games if they just stuck with the original Lara Crofts origin about her plane going down. Surviving 2 weeks in the Himalayas...I'd have liked to seen that, who knows what mystical threat she could have faced in the mountains or underground some secret concealed cave.

Tacoboto456d ago

I thought Shadow of the Tomb Raider had better gameplay than Rise, but it annoyed me the most of the trilogy when I stopped to think about the story.

It's like they deliberately decided to make her unlikeable and did nothing to make the character you're playing as likeable or have even one sign of humility.

SoulWarrior458d ago

2013 I thought was a fine entry, but Rise and especially Shadow were painfully mediocre follow ups imo, I really didn't like how selfish and angry her character was in those two.

Terry_B456d ago

No. Please forget the crap completely.

northpaws456d ago

First one was decent, played through it twice.
Second one was okay, played through it once.
Third one was really bad, tried twice a year apart, still can't get through the first two hours, it is just really bad.

thesoftware730456d ago

Honest question, what did you find bad about it? the opening 2 hrs of Shadow were fantastic imo.

The opening was very similar to the first 2, what did you find really bad?

Not looking for an argument, just an honest question.

Starman69456d ago

3rd one just didn't feel like a tomb raider game. Possibly because the development was passed to another development team. Big mistake! Microsoft killed tomb raider making the first game a timed exclusive. Never recovered after that.

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DriveClub director confirms he’ll reveal his next game this year

Paul Rustchynsky, who was additionally lead designer on several MotorStorm titles at Sony‘s Evolution Studios, is currently working on an unannounced project as part of Avalanche Studios’ new Liverpool development team, which was formed last summer.

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Nice. I really like Avalanche's Apex system, it can make some pretty stunning environments. Hopefully it'll translate well into a racing game! (assuming that's what he's working on)

Magog833d ago

He specifically says it won't be a racing game of any kind.

deleted833d ago

Yea, I see he posted a different tweet clarifying that now, but that was not posted in this original tweet or any of the replies. I apologize for not scrolling through all of his Twitter account.Thanks.

Magog833d ago

@OtterX It's in the credit URL actual story. No need to get upset.

MIDGETonSTILTS17833d ago

Motorstorm 2 deserves a remaster.

The balanced monster trucks vs dirt bikes.

chicken_in_the_corn833d ago

Why a remaster? A new game would be so much better

MIDGETonSTILTS17833d ago

Because it’s been designed already…

Azfargh832d ago

I would be happy with just that at 60fps... but... if it were a new game with course maker, 50 cars racing at the same time, focusing on Pacific Rift and Monument Valley... I would feel way better

MIDGETonSTILTS17830d ago

That sounds like alotta extra work for content nobody is clamoring for.

Classic maps for me please. I actually want the game to release.

MaximusPrime_833d ago

"To set some expectations, I'm not working on a racing game.
So sorry, no DRIVECLUB sequel, MotorStorm successor or ONRUSH offshoot.
This is something very different to anything I've worked on before"
So it will not be a racing game. That's a shame. :(

moriarty1889833d ago

Agreed. Driveclub and Motorstorm were great games and deserve sequels. Onrush was fun for me as well. I wonder what type of game he will unveil when the time comes.

Mr_Luke833d ago

Damn, i hoped a DC or Motorstorm sequel... :( let's see what they can pull out from the hat.

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