It was reported a while ago about the removal of a few revealing outfits for Xenoblade Chronicles X‘s Lin Lee in the western version of the game, but apparently that wasn’t the only change Nintendo made.
Wow, really? It's not really something I'd care too much about normally, but removing an entire customization option just for censorship? Man Nintendo of America need to stop all this censoring, it's just getting ridiculous.
Yet another case of completely unnecessary self-censorship. Tragic. Pathetic. Sad. Cowardly.
Can you blame them though. You can't walk down the street admiring the beauty of nature and minding your own business without pissing someone off starting a race/sex/political war. I don't agree with the change at all but at the same time everyone has something shoved up their A** so businesses want to avoid pissing people off as much as possible. Lose/Lose situation sadly. Still can't wait for this game, the scale of the world looks amazing.
I absolutely DO blame them. It's not their job to please EVERYONE, which is impossible, but censoring the product out of fear of some POSSIBLE negative reactions, is just WRONG, pure and simple. Not to mention in real life you will have boobs of different sizes and it's got NOTHING to do with sex, but simply how the human body is designed. Nobody should even be upset about this option.
But i doubt it will take away from anyone's enjoyment of the actual game, at least not mine. I honestly didnt even know that was something we could customize on our characters. But maybe some were really looking forward to it, I guess.
They just lost a sale.. This censorship is pathetic...
"Nintendo Removes Breast Size Slider For Custom Characters in the West." Stupid West!
This is the problem when people let these companies get away with the small elements of censorship, once it's introduced it only grows and expand it doesn't DE-escalate.
If the option had never been there at all would you complain? Honestly of all the things to be mad over. Its a stupid thing to be in the game in the first place. It'd be like giving us the option to adjust the crotch size on the male characters. I'm not typically for censorship either but come on, have some perspective! We're not censoring great works of literature here or the compositions of Mozart. IMO the anime-influenced oversexualization of its characters has gotten so boorish and predictable. Its long past time for the gaming industry to grow up and stop trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The "heh, heh, hehe, boooooooobies!!" crowd is just going to have to get over it.
@Wickedlester This has to be the most immature post I've read all day. Grow up? Yet you advocate censorship and brush off Japanese designs by saying they are immature and trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Any act of censorship is setting a standard regardless of what it does. If the option had never been there of course nobody would complain because the source material is laid intact, but way to strawman the arguement. I have bingo card to fill out in response http://imgur.com/WBLDE0U
@Rachel_Alucard Like I said, I'm not TYPICALLY for censorship but in this particular case, I agree with Nintendo's decision! It's a ridiculously juvenile feature that has absolutely no bearing on the game by removing it and I applaud them for doing it. Like I said, video games need to grow up! Besides, self-imposed censorship by the company that's putting the game out is not the same thing as a Federal Government imposing it. Nintendo has every right to impose censorship because it's THEIR game! Sorry if some of you are so butt hurt about not being able to create a female character with a DDD cup size. There are worse tragedies in the world. Get over it!
Female bodies have various sizes of breast.. Hell some women get surgery for that.. You suggesting they inmature? Thats stupid.. It was an option which they should not have censored in the first place.. Wont buy this game now.. Nintendo is really inmature about its decisions..
I'm actually surprised they still do this. I get they have certain titles that fit that E rating, but if a game is Teen or Mature, let the developer and ESRB determine such things vs lets alter versions due to being Nintendo. No wonder why so many decided to not side with them after PS entered gaming. If the game is teen....let it been teen, if its Mature....let it continue to be that. Everything doesn't need to be seaseme street
"Nintendo of America need to stop all this censoring" It's not Nintendo. It is an overly repressed, incredibly "offended" society that demands it. It is censorship, but it isn't the Japanese that are the problem. (consider Anime)
Yet Saints Row has all that and then some, and it comes from North America.
what this tells me is that the NX will not support voice chat, or games with mature content, same ol in a box nintendo, that leaves out gta 6 and or a port of 5 for the NX also?
I'm buying this for giant mech not booby sliders. I'm sorry for all those boob lovers. Maybe the nx can let you buy directly from the Japanese market. These cultural changes are interesting. We use to just import and learn Japanese if we wanted them.
this is why nintendo are losing the 'core' gamers, because they treat us like infants. did you see the tone of the trailer nintendo used in their recent direct? it was almost as if they were trying to market it to children. it didnt work at all
I wonder which has more to do with that, the fear of stirring up social justice outrage or Nintendos stance as being a child friendly company? Maybe both? because I cant think any other completely good reasons to remove such options. Its not like boob sliders are even a new thing.
Great more censorship. And the funny thing is Saints Row has the same thing yet it doesn't get censored.
Yeah but Saints Row is an M-rated game I believe. Not saying that censorship is good or bad, but its not really an apples to apples comparison.
Sims 4 has breast slider and you can make your sims do it in a hot tub. Still rated T.
probably because nintendo are publishing xenoblade themselves.
I bet that is still available in the japanese release...
Of course it is. That's the whole point.
I'm playing the Japanese import now and.......it is.
japan doesnt care about this small things. americans however will find anything to fight over. this is nothing new ninty has always been scary
You obviously aren't aware of Japanese culture reading your comment. Japanese are generally very loose with sexual and provocative showings, but they aren't to keen on our needing blood and extreme violence in games. So games that are coming from western developers and publishers have many parts that may be showing of extreme violence (for their culture and taste) censored. I'm not condoning the censorship of that element out of the game, but the title is already a niche game and maybe they don't want it associated with negative press regarding breast sizes. To those that say they aren't buying this game because of this, you weren't getting the game in the first place. Let's really be honest here! FE Awakening characters didn't even have feet and that doesn't change how amazing that game turned out. The western public just looks for anything to complain about. Yet broken, horribly optimized and unfinished games get rave reviews...
And yet Japan censors their own porn.
a slider for breast size is ridiculous anyway
Why...? Women naturally have different bust sizes in real life. No reason it shouldn't be a customization option for character creation.
is there a bulge slider for males?
@Number-Nine - The bust actually affects the general shape of your character. So, visually it should be something that's included to have your character look the way you intended them to. Bulge size has nothing to do with the body shape in general, so it's not really as necessary.
this is video game not real life. If you want ridiculous breast sizes go play Senran Kagura.
no but their is always a chest size for men. funny how both sexes has chest sliders but one of them have an extra feature then now its a big deal like it doesnt effect the look of a character or person in general. and if there was a bulge slider people will welcome it, matter fact where is it. im pretty sure all of us will put it above average or maxxed lmao. was that comment supposed to be slick. reread your comment and think about if we would care in a negative way. men securities doesnt go that far, the ones that do play it off or attack you for a reason that dont hint at the idea. "oh they have a balls sliders, ban this game. why cant my balls be as smooth as eggs too."
Don't Asian women have naturally small busts? Why do you need a slider?
Believe it or not there is a buldge slider in Saints Row 3 and 4.
Lmaooooo bulge slider, oh man, too funny
Wow. You don't ever f*** with the boob slider. Fo shame, Nintendo.
Are you kidding me lol?
Soooooo...Bayonetta was okay, but this isn't? Where's the consistency? There's a reason there's a rating system in place. Let the consumer choose what they want. Don't dictate it for us. sigh
Their models were changed with the re-release on Wii U, so Bayonetta wasn't that different. Same old change for change's sake, even though it's not necessary at all.
When Bayonetta 2 came out there were many of negative reviews deeming the game to extreme and over-sexualized. Some actually deducted points on reviews because of this... Nintendo was also very lenient with Bayonetta's sexuality because that makes up who she is and they've stated as much.
Preorder cancelled. Like, seriously.
Yea me too
Stupid reason when it is such an insignificant thing. Edit @ Spotie: Because SJW's on either side of the fence would have bitched about it whether it was present or not. The Japanese version got lambasted by SJW's for including such features, and now the state-side version is getting lambasted by SJW's for NOT including them. You guys don't understand this, so let me spell it out for you: Nintendo was in a lose-lose position from the start with this by including any of it in the first place. And if they had not, then people would have eventually used THAT as a reason to bitch too, calling Xenoblade a game that needed "more mature stuff in it". No matter which way Nintendo went with this, feminazis and anti-censorjerks would have lambasted this game. The game's content isn't the main problem here, because it would have pissed you off eventually no matter which direction Nintendo or Monolith went with it. IT'S YOU GUYS, for giving the game shit no matter how hard Nintendo tries to cater to all sides, and denying it the sales that the rest of the game deserves despite these issues. If this game fails to get the numbers it deserves, it will be because easily-offended children couldn't put aside tiny little differences like this in order to judge the game for the whole package instead of the bits that are different.
If it's so insignificant, why didn't they just leave it alone? Why is it that EVERY time people have a problem with something Nintendo does, you defend it? When was the last time they screwed up, and you agreed it was a mistake? I like my breast sliders. Not a deal breaker for me whether one is there or not, but REMOVING it is something different entirely. You weren't calling it an insignificant feature before it got removed, were you? You didn't have a problem with it being there, did you? But once it's removed and people are unhappy, suddenly there's a problem? And it's not like this is the only situation of censorship in recent times. This is the second such thing to happen to this game alone, and there's also Fatal Frame to consider. At what point will you stop defending and think in a more objective manner?
Actually, yeah, Spotie, I WAS calling it an insignificant feature before it was removed. Same with Lyn's swimsuit. I had no problem with either being in or out, because they are BOTH INSIGNIFICANT. Neither of these things being left in or taken out would be anywhere near as bad as if they had started censoring all of the violence with little black bars over every hit, or taking out every last swear word and replacing it with stupid words like "Duck". These things being taken out won't degrade into something worse. People need to stop pretending that it will. Out of all the people here, who have such a laser-guided FOCUS on this BS, I'd say I'm the one who has the MOST objective stance, because I'M JUDGING THE GAME FOR MORE THAN ITS SWIMSUITS AND BREASTS. At what point will you stop using the excuse of people being defensive, and start judging the game for something OTHER than its flaws? These tiny things aren't going to make the games worse to play. People NEED to give the games fair credit for what they DO have outside of these stupid little quibbles, instead of encouraging others to drop the game over some perceived case of hyper-censorship that they think will somehow downslope into something ten times worse than a few costumes and a "Plot pump". And as for the last time Nintendo screwed up and I blamed them for it? Were you asleep during the whole Federation Force Fiasco? How about when Nintendo dropped the ball on advertisement for the majority of its best games, like Bayonetta 2 and now Xenoblade X? Should I even START AGAIN on how they screwed up advertising the SYSTEM ITSELF? Or how they didn't do what was needed to get BETTER GAMES for its launch from third parties? Hell, how about all the times I've complained that the Wii U should have ditched the Wii name, and included a standard controller ALONGSIDE the game pad at no additional bundle cost? I've blamed Nintendo for a lot, Spotie. But for this particular case? I'm pinning it squarely on the SJW's and any-change-is-evil-censorship jerks who are screwing this game over from both sides of their politically-"correct" ; fences. To all who have ever denied this game a sale over these issues: I hope you get into a Skell wreck. WITHOUT the insurance.
@Spotie "Why is it that EVERY time people have a problem with something Nintendo does, you defend it?" Is this guy serious? Spotie...you're the same guy who constantly defends Vita when people say it has no games or are disappointed with the support? And why do you have a problem with someone who has another point of view for this situation from Nintendo and is explaining it to others. You sit there and except people attacking such a pointless feature being removed and even claim it's not a deal breaker but yet you attack the same person who says it's not a deal breaker for him either. What kind of sense does that make? You constantly defend Sony a system you prefer and yet you have a problem with Monkey defending Nintendo a system he prefers. "Not a deal breaker for me whether one is there or not, but REMOVING it is something different entirely." If it's no deal breaker then why is removing it a big deal? Different how? Does it change the ending? Does it limit gameplay? Change the buttons? Please explains how it's entirely different. A breast slider...you are arguing to monkeyman about a breast slider. Something that has no impact AT ALL on the game. "You weren't calling it an insignificant feature before it got removed, were you?" Was he even talking about it Spotie? Show me a post where Monkeyman specifically said he can't wait to get his hands on that breast slider. Maybe it was never mentioned because it is so insignificant. Seriously...what are you even trying to argue or even prove here? "You didn't have a problem with it being there, did you?" MAYBE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CARE! "At what point will you stop defending and think in a more objective manner?" I can't even believe these words got typed by you. A person who is a die hard sony defender and routinely blames the media for being bias against Sony.
I respect the people who are cancelling their pre-orders. They are taking a stand and showing companies they won't accept things like this. If we, as consumers, don't take these stands, then they will continue to do whatever they want. The old saying comes to mind - "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
Stop! You weren't buying this game, you're just looking for validation. I have never in my life seen someone not buy a RPG for a feature like this. It's one thing if they took something away that played a strategic roll in the combat system... The same people here commenting negatively on this are the same ones that prop up every negative Nintendo article on this site with hits. Once again it's a damned if you do situation, because Nintendo let's sexuality run loose on Bayonetta 2 they get slammed for it, they censor only the 13yr old girl from wearing revealing bathing suits they get slammed for it, they removed a busts slider in a sci-fi/apocalyptic RPG and that's all you guys are talking about here. Sad thing is this is the most publicity this game has gotten and it's because negative news is cancer.
Now hentai freaks will have to look for fap material elsewhere, oh well.
And every anti-censorship SJW within a hundred kilometers starts canceling pre-orders because they can't inflate or deflate their boobs FFS, really people? You're going to scream "Censorship! Evil! No play!" over something this stupidly insignificant to the rest of the game? And meanwhile, the Japanese version is getting the same amount of BS for NOT taking these kinds of things out! Talk about double standards; Nintendo can't win whether they include the stuff or not! I get that people love options and don't like having their toys taken away, but you wouldn't have even noticed breast size by the time you're a decent ways into the game. It wouldn't have mattered. Any f***ing excuse there is, these people will take it, then justify it with calls of "principles" and "bad precedents!" no matter how small the issue is, to drop a game from Nintendo in a heart-beat. You didn't see people doing this to TLOU when it got some censorship in EU. This is just stupid...
The thing is, it starts very small then snowballs into something quite sinister... censorship is not something to be tolerated in any form. we cannot allow SJWs dictating what's ok and isn't. It's definitely a slippery slope.
A boob slider isn't going to down-slope into removal of cursing in all games, bro. People are treating this like some sort of gateway drug when it's anything but. And in case you hadn't noticed; the SJW's already won on this one. The SJW's against Lyn lambasted the Japanese version of this game for including such things as bikinis on a kid and boob sliders. The kids of said SJW's will never get to play this game because their parents will prevent it, and if the ones complaining were people who live in the states, then said state-side parents likely won't be looking into the state-side version of the game after that debacle, thus lost sales. And now the SJW's who consider ANY form of change to be OUTRAGEOUS HORRIBLE GAME RUINING CENSORSHIP, have started lambasting the game for NOT including these things. They're demonizing both Nintendo and Monolith for it, the media spins and exacerbates it, then people on sites like THIS ONE go ALL OUT to tell people that the game is a sign of industry-censorship at it's worst and that it doesn't deserve to get ANY support, thus lost sales. Don't you get it? BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE ARE SCREWING THIS GAME OVER. Nintendo cannot win, so long as people cling to these overall TINY PORTIONS of the game as if they are the make-or-breaks to the quality of the game as a whole. At this point, my love of the game is now the first of two reasons for getting it. I'm now also getting this game in defiance of both sides of this extremely idiotic debate, who are denying it the chance to grace their library of games for all the stupidest reasons in the SJW guide-book. All of those skipping this game over Lyn's swimwear, lack/inclusion of "plot" sliders on their women, and all of the other stupid complaints that are killing this game's sales chances, need to be fed to a Telethia. @ OtakuDJk1ng No, it doesn't. None of it adversely affects the quality of the gameplay as a whole. But you'll hear both sides of this idiotic debate trumpeting that it's the worst thing ever, depending on the version, and that neither version deserves to sell because of stuff that is or is not included.
You sound ridiculous its not called censorship its called being tamed.
lol censorship....boy, you live in a wonderful little bubble don't you? No boob sliders!? CENSORSHIP!!! This is just priceless, I'm saving this page whenever I'm down I can look at it and laugh. It's called enforcing societal norms and hoisting peoples idea of decency onto others. Removing a boob slider is so far from censorship it's HILARIOUS.
"And meanwhile, the Japanese version is getting the same amount of BS for NOT taking these kinds of things out!" Dobson pls
"FFS, really people? You're going to scream "Censorship! Evil! No play!" over something this stupidly insignificant to the rest of the game?" Relax with the language bud, its just a game. Also we don't know what else they might have forced this team to change, this is Nintendo after all, they've been notorious for forcing devs to remove, change content etc. They once stated they wanted Goldeneye with no blood.... Instead of creating a platform for developers to create content on, Nintendo would over see lots of titles and suggest changes to titles they don't even own. The industry needed a Playstation, Xbox, PC, Sega etc Notice those other platforms never forced such a thing, they left that to the ESRB. No wonder you get many not actually wanting to work with Nintendo. This is 100% censorship bud, they are removing a feature due to being Nintendo and wanting all games to be sesame street, they do this often. Good enough for Japan to them apparently isn't good enough for the USA. smh, I wouldn't go so far as cancel my pre-order, but I would voice my concern over it as it questions what else they removed, who knows what they game could have been if they were not removing content from it.
Yet they told Platinum to make Bayonetta, Bayonetta but you choose to reference a game that came out almost 20yrs ago. Nice selective cherry picking there! You guys have selective memory because Conker's Bad Fur Day wasn't censored, or Manhunt2 on the Wii getting a AO rating because of its motion controls caused all sorts of news, yet that game came out. As many have already said if you guys have an agenda against Nintendo take that up somewhere else with them, but why ruin such a great game over this nonsense...
@Ck1x- They don't own the Bayonetta IP, Sega does. They didn't own the Conker IP, Rare did. Mind you, you don't even know what was removed from Conker to be honest, we know of what was left in lol. Sorry but Nintendo is still very much that same way with many titles, the ones that were even mature they had no legal ownership over....
Of course Nintendo can win. They can not censor their games, and have no problems at all, like Aksys does. Let's not hide behind a finger there. The change is completely arbitrary. Nintendo does it because they want to, not because they're somehow forced to. You're grasping at straws to defend the indefensible.
Seriously and as many stories as you have published on N4G, you should have a better memory on how things actually happen around here. Even such a game as Bayonetta 2 which sexuality is apart of the characters persona got ridiculed in reviews and I never recall such arguments when the first game came out for the 360 and PS3. Nintendo caught hell for letting Manhunt2 release on the Wii, but Nintendo is always going to get it a little extra because they are seen as the family friendly company. It's not about defending Nintendo as much as its defending this amazing RPG that is already in an uphill battle fighting nothing but games of clones. Or that people want to publicly rip this game apart just to stick it to Nintendo...
@Ck1x: I am going to get it day one, but sorry, I am NOT going to advocate censorship in order to defend an otherwise good game, and most definitely not its misguided publisher. There are principles over which we should not budge. Censorship is one.
I don't really think it matters that it is insignificant. Censorship is almost always bad, especially in this case because it relies on a certain group of people limiting the enjoyment of others who aren't hurting anyone, purely because they think they are right and the others are wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to design a character to your liking, and having more options should be a good thing. It's just a shame that a lot of the west is sexually repressed and that male sexual desire is heavily demonised as dangerous, creepy or perverse (rather than women who are called sluts for their desire). I don't know why we do this to each other lol.
I seriously wish for Nintendo to go bankrupt & exit from console business because they have no idea how to do business, one ridiculous decision after another, they will never learn & when someone can't learn better leave to someone else do their job.
Ooooh they don't understand little boys who want boobie sliders so they should go bankrupt.
Its the NA division thats doing this dumb BS.. Japan has the game in its original form..