This is uh.....cool I guess. I'm a bit disappointed that DLC characters especially one as big as Cloud have recycled animations though. While we're at it why not copy Omni slash from Link's final smash and not Ike's.
Damn Nintendo respects FF fans more than Sony ...CLoud moves perfectly , has the same animations like in FFVII and the midgar level is excellently remade like it should be (colorful) ...Sony couldnt manage to secure Cloud for Big Stars Battle Royal and Nintendo just made a simple deal and took him??? ...how lame the SOny guys are ...thats why they cant have the same success with pS4 in japan and thats why Vita is sinking like the titanic ..they neve cared for icons like Cloud , Crash which made them what they are
@breakpad So wait sony is not doing a remake like all the whiny final fantasy fans wanted. that makes your comment null and void. sony cares about cloud dude. they're not afraid of him beating down nintendo characters.
This + Dragon Quest 7&8 3DS confirms a better working relationship with Nintendo & Square which gives me hope we will get Dragon Quest 11 on NX in the U.S.
? Some DLC vs FFVII not apparently on their means that? I mean...FFXV isn't even coming to a Nintendo platform...neither is KH3, or Nier 2, or Star Ocean 5, or World Of Final Fantasy. They have a good relationship with Nintendo, but I wouldn't say "better".
I see DQ 11 on NX too depending on its specs and how it actually does in sales, but I wouldn't jump to some conclusion that its some how "better". Several titles are not even going to any of Nintendo's platforms.
I'm not saying Playstation All Stars was fantastic (the battle system where you needed to use Supers to do proper damage was crap) but the most disappointing thing about that game (the dream game) was the characters
A Big Daddy, New Danate, MGR Raiden, Fat Princess...I mean DLC sure but where were people like Cloud
You'd think they would allow Sony to have them as a nice gesture.
Sony had SE by the balls for years, SE was always in bed with Nintendo until the financial problems that let sony buy a controlling share and control exclusivity to a point. SE is free of Sony now and it looks like they are going back to Nintendo. The leak about the NX being top end chips is from SE.
I don't see the point in telling him to stop making stuff up in a rude manner... It was his opinion, I personally don't think SE will stop support for sony but that doesn't rule out the idea of them supporting nintendo more, you don't know what' happening behinds the scenes so don't get butthurt over someone's opinion.... just saying
It's actually hilarious. Two of the most iconic characters most associated with Sony, Solid Snake and Cloud Strife are not in Playstation All-Stars but appear in Smash.
"Sony had SE by the balls for years, SE was always in bed with Nintendo until the financial problems that let sony buy a controlling share and control exclusivity to a point."
Yeah, it had nothing to do with Nintendo being stupid enough to think cartridges were still the future on the N64 when everyone else was moving to CDs... THAT is the reason FF7 moved FROM NINTENDO (which it was already being developed for) to Playstation as CD's were the only format it would have worked on!
That's after Sony and Nintendo fell out. Sony just kept working with the technology and the developers stayed with them. Nintendo wasn't anticipating Playstaytion's success. But it seems they've all paid dearly for their market share. We gamers are filthy spoilt rotten to the core!!!
If by the impossible chance Crash and/or Spyro get in Smash, I will laugh so hard. XD
Cloud has never even been on a Nintendo console. It just shows how much respect Sakurai and Nintendo has to put such a character in Smash bros, despite SE leaving them for PS back in the day.
Sony should sue the brakes off Nintendo for this. Even though Dark Sniper is fully aware that Cloud is essentially a Square Enix character, he is affiliated in a game that went on to help the PS1 become the highest selling console of all time(at the time).
Yes Dark Sniper understands that the logic behind Sony taking Nintendo to court sounds warped, but Nintendo themselves don't abide by logic.
If the shoe was on the other foot, Nintendo would absolutely make every attempt to sue Sony because they are that petty. They tried to sue Sony in the early 90's claiming that Play Station was a Nintendo property, they effectively prevented GoldenEye 007 from appearing on the Xbox 360(even though it's a Rare IP) and they tried to do the same with Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark.
While having Cloud on Super Smash Bros is great news for Wii-U and DS owners, it's unfortunate that we as gamers cannot see any gameplay footage on Youtube because Nintendo will be quick to take it down.
Nintendo should have made their N64 console CD based instead of cartridge, then we would have seen Cloud on a Nintendo console. It makes absolutely no sense that Cloud is in Smash Bros and not in PlayStation All Stars where he belongs.
Those are very different arrangements. The PlayStation was originally a joint project between Sony and Nintendo, and a sour legal battle split the two up. Rare was a second-party to Nintendo when Goldeneye was created. Sony and Square, on the other hand, sorted out who owned the intellectual property to the Final Fantasy series upon writing the dang contract. Typical third-party arrangement.
Also, Square has been putting Cloud on iOS games for years. They put FF7 on the PC shortly after the PS1 release, and then they re-did the PC release so people could still play it a couple years ago. Where have you been?
Sony couldn't sue it's a third party game Sony doesn't own the rights to final fantasy Vll and it wasn't Nintendo that stopped goldeneye there are five different companies that have the rights to that game including Nintendo and rare that's why they did the remakes and maybe Nintendo should sue Sony over all the shit Sony ripped off Nintendo over the years Stealing Off Nintendo for Years
I don't know what you mean, Sony doesn't own the Final Fantasy IP. They yes helped publish FFVII, but I don't believe they own the rights to the IP ie the characters, story etc. They published FFVII in the west for Square early in the PS1 life when Square didn't have the funds for such a huge distribution and marketing plan.
But I would hardly call that some right to ownership, that is a legal black and white thing, its very exact. It either is or isn't and to my knowledge ,Sony doesn't own the FF IP.
That's part of business. Besides Final Fantasy originated on Nintendo. I know that cloud wasn't on Nintendo, but with this announcement I believe that the remastered Final Fantasy VII could be a launch title for NX.
Sora would be so hard to do, not because of his character and creating moves and such, but because of property rights. People forget that half of KH is Disney. If Nintendo were to make Sora a character they would have to licence with Disney as well. Also, Sakurai does not like the idea of putting non video game characters or assets in a game all about video games. I don't need Disney to be apart of Smash bros.
Might be reading too much into that, but it'd be neat if it did.XD
Anyways, I think this is just a strong collaboration to help reaffirm ties with Squeenix; he likely wasn't the ballot winner, and there's more Smash news coming next month as well.
@ Concert Well, he did make an appearance in two of the Kingdom Hearts games that hit Nintendo systems, as well as Theaterythm Final Fantasy and one other game that I can't remember off the top of my head. I guess those small inclusions on top of his popularity and Nintendo's history with the franchise led to his inclusion. That's the best theory I can come up with, other than a possible alternate remake of the original FFVII for New 3DS or Wii U.
We dont know but there will be a smash direct next month most likely for the ballot. Its weird though out of all the fan polls ive seen everyone who voted for a square enix character were pretty much all voting for Sora so thats what makes me unsure if cloud was related to the ballot especially since he looks like he was being developed for a while.
Nintendo seems to be making favorable deals with companies. For example, they got Capcom to have Ryu already, and I bet they have some sort of very easy way to arrange for outside IP in Smash by now with that ballot happening.
Exactly. That is like saying the next Bioshock will be PS exclusive because a Big Daddy was in PS All Starts. That is just such a wild stretch its not even funny.
A character as DLC....doesn't mean the whole game, series, remake, sequel etc what ever is coming to that platform...it merely means its a character for DLC.
SFiV isn't on a Nintendo console, SFV isn't coming to a Nintendo console or handheld to my knowledge hell MOST Capcom games won't go to either platforms Nintendo has ie Resident Evil, Devil May Cry etc, MSG1 remkae was the last MGS on a Nintendo console, MGS3,Peace Walker 4 and 5 all skipped Nintendo consoles.
The reality of it...having a friendly relationships doesn't mean they will go out of business for you making games on a platform they won't sell on.
I mean...if they are friendly why was E3 and TGS dominated by PS titles from Square? Never mind even PS titles, merely titles NOT coming to a Nintendo platform, ie FFXV and KH3 are still coming to XONE, yet not coming to a Nintendo platform (as of yet).
So I'm not sure how anyone comes to a conclusion from a character as DLC that they will go bankrupt to release titles a company that currently has a failing console.
Could they with NX? Likely if it has strong hardware and strong sales as to why they even are stating "maybe" with that platform.
@Don- there is a reason why that wasn't stated. As your referring to the title that released 8 years after on 3DS?
Sooo would that not also mean MGSV could be ported to a Nintendo platform in 2023? Do you not get how crazy that is?
Its very much saying they don't feel ok about the sales on that platform to release certain titles day and date if at all. As some MGS titles have never been on a Nintendo platform ever, I mean...unless we are holding out for MGS2, Peace Walker, MGS4, 5 etc.
My point is that its clearly not important enough in terms of sales to release it day and date. Thats a big deal as its showing 3rd parties don't feel welcome to do business with their install base and that is very much Nintendo's fault as they never changed their release outside of 3rd party releases to make a welcome release environment, they even create hardware with the understanding of what THEY want for THEIR GAMES vs what the rest of 3rd party want.
Nothing is wrong with that either, but its clear that type of direct competition with 3rd party is why they left in the first place, some didn't even waste any time even getting a single team working on the hardware. This is a huge problem as it means they might not get support from some developers , publisher etc regardless of how they change their platform or releasing habits.
The reality is...Nintendo made hardware for Nintendo products, thus....the market responded to this by seeing only quality products from the teams that had focus on that hardware vs 3rd party that couldn't create content from other platforms to release on Wii or Wii U. This was a big deal with Wii, yet they did the very same thing with Wii U and it was very clear it wasn't being set out to 3rd party for input on design, it was very much letting the gaming community know....this is NOT "our" system, its MY system. That is why your seeing many not send titles over to their platform as they worry if they can even recoup on a port considering Nintendo strong hold on its install base. They don't create a welcome environment in terms of development. They very much know what they are getting themselves into as its a mistake with the Wii...with the Wii U it only confirms it was never a mistake or accident, they prosperously are not telling people about their hardware before launch because they don't care and they are not making it for others, they are making it FOR THEM.
I get MGS3 released on 3DS, what I don't get is where is MGS2, MGS4, MGS5...yet MGS5 is on PS3 and 360, where is RE2002 and Zero remaster? Yet both titles were originally on a Nintendo platform, were is Revelations 2? Revelations 1 was a 3DS exclusive, Revelations 2 is on 5 platforms....zero of which are Nintendo's. That selfish attitude is why you are seeing many skip that platform and its only going to continue to hurt them unless that is they fully want a install base that is only seeking Nintendo published games solely.
When I heard the piano vibes, I knew immediately it was FF7-related, but when I saw the Smash logo, I freaking cried. Surprised this wasn't leaked. GJ!
The remake is not due till 2017 so that is probably why it will be a NX game. This begs the question.. Is SE fully backing NX? And what does that mean for sony?
Agreed, going to Wii U is extremely unlikely, NX....could be.
Though it coming to anything other then PC and PS4 is pretty unlikely, Square clearly wants NX to do well and have powerful hardware so they are able to make money on many Japanese platforms. Them stating maybe regarding DQ is very much showing that it depends on its specs likely or even design. I take it, it would need to do really well for Square to consider putting its high profile titles on NX.
FFVII has remained on PC and PS platforms for a very, very, very long time.
As....not even 360 got a FFVII port and PS3 has one on PSN, PS4 is getting one, along with getting a remake as well, so its safe to at least assume maybe Sony has something with them with this title as its still only releasing on PS platforms, maybe its due to the other platforms not having a history with the IP and they feel they won't make much money on a return on a port, who knows. But one thing we know for sure is certain Square titles have only been on PS or PC and strangely never left.
Could be a deal......could be nothing lol, it legit could merely be due to the other platforms just not having a history of selling well enough to gamble putting a port on those platforms fearing lost profit if the sales don't cover the port. FFX coming to PS3 and PS4 comes to mind. Even FFVII-IX have only been on PC and PS.
I don't really know why they happen to keep certain titles from FF7-12 on certain platforms even KH1 and 2 remain on PS platforms, I don't really know and maybe its just nothing, maybe Square can't afford to just bring them to all platforms and chooses to just port in a limited fashion or maybe some strange deal is really in place.
If they want FFVII to sell else where, I mean....I would assume they would have already got a port of the first one or even the HD Steam version on other platforms already.
I actually assumed KH collection would come to XONE as to welcome XB fans to KH3 and the next KH collection is only coming to PS4.
Who knows...
If your a huge RPG fan, I would suggest owning both a Nintendo console and PS console anyway.
I would have preferred seeing Crono tbh or Dragon Quest VIII characters since that would have kinda fitted the whole VII/VIII thing in the Nintendo Direct
The moment I saw those stars I f***ing knew it! I was not expecting that, RIP Sora.
I must confess. I never saw this one coming...
It's been a long time since I felt this excited!
What happened? Did Cloud win the Smash Ballot or is this an indication that the remake of Final Fantasy VII will appear on the NX?
When I heard the piano vibes, I knew immediately it was FF7-related, but when I saw the Smash logo, I freaking cried. Surprised this wasn't leaked. GJ!
First the FFVII HD remake now Cloud in SSB4. So many bombs being dropped