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Can Someone Explain The Appeal Of "Critics" Like Angry Joe?

He's one of the most popular "personalities" in gaming today but how and why has he earned that popularity? Isn't he just a loud-mouthed malcontent?

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BlindMango3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Because modern games journalism is a joke, so people turn to YouTubers - the people who actually play and enjoy games and know what they're talking about, and they don't moan on and on about how the game doesn't line up with their personal politics, lol

isarai3534d ago

This so f****ing much, can't tell you how many times it was painfully obvious these "journalist" reviewed a game they already went into not liking it with their mind already made up about hating it with the end result being nothing but pointless venting giving little to no actual informative value. Also most YouTube reviewers i watch are far more thorough with all details that most "journalist" would never even think to mention, often times details that end up making or breaking the game for me.

xHeavYx3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Lol,this website is jelly about Joe's recent popularity.

venom063534d ago

the appeal is PEOPLE LOVE NEGATIVITY, unless that negativity is about the game their fanboying over.. The whiny a#% clown is does nothing more than tap in the inner hater is all of us and capitalizes on it.. And much of his dumb a%@ rhetoric is just that. Stupid rhetoric. He picks up on what "cool" to bitch about and runs with it with no thought, proof, just anecdotal opinions. And HE KNOWS he has 12-13yrs that wont question his motives or his biases. Like when he was pissin, cryin and being a butthurt little girl during E3 because he wasn't granted a Battlefront interview. Please look into the historical bias of this dude and you'll find what he's really about.. Before you fanboys rush to hit the dislike button, PLEASE do some research into his history..

nix3534d ago

I normally don't follow these guys - angry joe or boogie. And I'm not surprised because they were pretty much the Xbox gamers. The only time i saw their videos was when MS announced their policies for Xbox1. They were riled.

Now i don't follow their videos again.

freshslicepizza3534d ago

same thing with that pew pew die guy or whatever his name is. these guys have carved out a living creating personas online. all the more power to them if they can succeed with that.

we have to take into account a lot of the internet is one big pit of idiocy, passive aggressive behavior, narcissism and just a lot of negativity. everyone now has a voice so what better way to make an impact then by shouting at the screen and acting like a lunatic to be noticed like angry joe?

gatormatt803534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Angry Joe speaks the truth and doesn't sugarcoat anything like other "game journalists." We can relate to him.

This video is a perfect example of why gamers like him and is probably my favorite video from him...

https://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQR...

WildArmed3534d ago

Pretty much..

The best thing about his reviews are that he highlights both good and bad points very well.

Take Dragn Dogma for example, a game not so critically acclaimed anywhere. But he really drove the points home what made the game so amazing. He also highlighted the negatives, but was very clear, the combat makes up for almost all of these negatives.

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Aloy-Boyfriend3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Angry Joe does much better reviews than IGN

Sonic Free riders
IGN: 7.8
Joe: 1/10

Nuff said

quaneylfc3534d ago

Better?

It is impossible for a game to get a 1/10

So how is that better? How is "wrong better?"

81BX3534d ago

I watched the guy once... his character is a d-bag...

ThanatosDMC3534d ago

Lol... i wonder why even write an article except for hits.

_-EDMIX-_3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

I agree, but I mean he doesn't get any different when he is guessing and assuming what is cut, removed, saved etc.

The reality is, anyone can sorta do this.

DICE's developer was merely stating his claims are not only guesses, they are false and not true.

If we are just going to say DICE is lying ,EA is lying, can we not just apply this to any developer, publisher etc?

Might as well get started posting videos on Witcher 3 and Smash Bros on "removing" or "saving" or "cutting" content from their games, never mind past history of content, never mind the developer stating otherwise, lets just report all of this regardless.

Though I agree with some of his views to a degree, I don't agree with his attacking of DICE's developer with guesses and assumptions on a title that developer is currently working on.

Even if we say the content is really cut....cut from what? Is it not their game to begin with? lol I mean....one will never even know what game even has it "cut" or not, how do we know Metal Gear Solid Subsistence with 3 or Substance with 2 is um "cut"?

At what point do we just acknowledge that its merely an extra? With such logic couldn't this claim be stated about anything extra EVER in a game regardless of what the developer states?

That being said, who cares? I mean one can legit go crazy complaining over content they have no clue if its removed, cut or a real extra lol, further more....of content thats not even legally owned by anyone other then the publisher, developer etc.

I judge a game based on what I play, not what I assume I should be playing.

Was it promised, was it marketed this way etc If not, its a stupid argument that makes very, very little sense.

How does one remove content of that which you don't even legally own? Of a game your not making?

Legit, of what real claim can one even make over this issue as you won't even know what is "cut" or "removed" etc. You never likely will, so why cry over something that wasn't even promised?

What if I told you Witcher 3 is just cut content from Witcher 2? Witcher 2 a bad game now? You hate CDPR now? They robbed you now? I mean...you really don't know if thats true so...Don't believe DICE? No reason to believe CDPR either then.

Seriously folks.... that is how silly this entitlement over content has become.

jb2273534d ago

I think the issue at hand isn't Angry Joes statements, it's the DICE representatives refusal to actually address them. He did absolutely nothing to elaborate as to why Joes allegations were false, only just attacked his character & that of his channel. If someone accused me of something I was truly innocent of, I'd explain exactly why those allegations are false, I wouldn't just call them a liar and be on my merry way.

The fact of the matter is, Joe may be crass & rude, but he represents the interests of the common gamer, he's not the first person to wonder whether or not EA & Dice were gouging gamers with Battlefront, so his opinion & claims aren't unfounded & without merit. If the rep would've explained exactly how what Angry Joe said was false then he'd have absolutely put the guy in his place & alleviated the fears of their fanbase in one fell swoop, instead it seems like Joe's comments are on the money because the only thing that has happened is Dice & articles like these have shifted the focus off of the real issue at hand. A helluva shell game, and some gamers & media outlets fell for it hook, line & sinker.

_-EDMIX-_3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

He actually does.

"What content would that be? Nothing has been cut off and "saved" mate"

Thus...false.

http://wccftech.com/dice-le...

When he states "Nothing has been cut off and "saved" mate"

Would that not have "alleviated the fears of their fanbase in one fell swoop"

??

Yet to counter this, he's just lying.

I mean...his word doesn't matter to you if your just going to claim he is lying. Demand answers, tell them facts about the game....

must be lying lol.

Read the whole thing.

Mind you, if you even looked up anything about this game, they from the very jump stated nothing was held back in favor of DLC.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Sooooo I don't know what you mean, how much more do they need to do to show that other then stating it several times?

If someone doesn't want to believe them that is their issue, not DICE or EA's. Could we not just state this again about Witcher 3 even though that teams stated the exact same thing regarding Witcher 3's post launch content?

The company can't do anything about ignorant preconceived notions about the game, the industry etc. Mind you, his rant doesn't even address that the team already stated they are not doing the DLC that way.

They didn't even do it that way for BF4 which we are still getting DLC from btw. DICE LA and Visceral helped with that DLC, it wasn't just "saved" or "removed" it was and is actually still currently being made.

WHEN its made is literally irrelevant. Does it matter when I make your burger? Was the agreement to not buy a burger vs everything I make from the moment you walk in the door to when you leave? lol

We are basically saying the value of the dlc is not the content but when the content is made? So if you played 2 games expansions and I told you one of them was made during and one was made after, could you tell? Soooooo why do you even care when its made? the agreement of sale has NOTHING to do with some how making sure the content was made during, after, before etc.

You actually don't know that and it has zero dawning on the actual content being provided...not even slightly.

IF I told you all DLC For Witcher 3 was just cut content, how does that actually hurt, effect you etc? I mean...we don't know, but that doesn't effect the quality of the content, the dlc or base game etc. Thus...for me its a non-issue, I game because I find value in it, not based on knowing it was made in some morally just way after the game was done or something lol

JackStraw3534d ago

This. Simple. Discussion over.

GregMicek3534d ago

I think people get too caught up in the whole journalism thing. Most game writers aren't journalism, they're pundits; which is a significant difference. Journalists report facts, pundits give opinions. It's like any other enthusiast press.

InTheLab3534d ago

Article is BS. The author doesn't see the appeal of honestly and being anti-establishment? Joe became a hero to us all when he stood up to Major Nelson at E3. The guy has no agenda and all of his Angry rants are all common sense complaints most people should have in an Era of screw the gamer and pay us more.

FlameBaitGod3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Couldn't have agreed more with BlindMango. Joe isn't a sale out and actually loves games.

Timesplitter143534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

I agree that game journalism is a joke but I don't like Angry Joe either. He shows off too much and it looks fake.

Ironically enough, the "gaming" youtubers I enjoy the most are the Game Grumps, because they don't take it too seriously, they're not elitist, their sense of humor goes further than "I'm so ANGRY lol", and they can admit there are things in life more important than games and gaming culture.

Honestly I'm not afraid to say I'm not a huge fan of gaming culture. It's so obnoxious and full of anger and elitism. It's kind of a huge turn off

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Relientk773534d ago

He tells it like it is, also hes funny

PeaSFor3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

"He tells it like it is"

well, you forgot the ridiculously thick layer of sensationalistic cry baby sauce, in fact he's almost drowning in it.

Aloy-Boyfriend3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

It's part of his youtube persona. It's all acting. That's what the Angry on his name stands for. It' also pretty hilarious when he becomes angry.

Thatguy-3103534d ago

correction he tries to be funny. That being said I do respect him because he tells it how it is.

aaron58293534d ago

yeah, he's one of the very few who dont kiss ass...

crazychris41243534d ago

You want his opinion or IGN's? Yea I thought so. Don't really follow angry joe but the black hokage is hilarious but truthful.

DarkOcelet3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

At least he is not a liar like those gaming journalists and really speaks up his mind.

"Of course, he doesn't have to be a journalist or even a qualified critic. I suppose if he just had a personality that didn't resemble a train wreck and he offered some interesting commentary on various products, it would make sense. But this...why? After ten seconds of this guy, I feel brain cells dying. Why, why do we bother with him?"

Its funny when you ' the author' say something like this when you gave a game like Assassins Creed Unity a 9/10 knowing full well it didn't deserve such a high score because of too many flaws aside from the glitches and then you retracted your review and saying it didn't deserve the 9/10.

You know, if people like you actually have been honest from the beginning, no one would have mistrusted gaming journalism and went to Youtube personalities like AngryJoe for better and more trustworthy opinions.

Just like the person who played Uncharted 2 and thought it was Uncharted 4. Things like this makes you question the journalists if they are actually playing games or writing articles just like this for clicks on a hot topic before it dies.

-Foxtrot3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Urm...because they are less tied down to licking developers backsides

Not saying some don't do it (they do) but I would take some of these Youtube guys over journalists from Kotaku or Polygon for example

Joe told it how it was with Battlefront, something proper journalists should have been telling us from the start but they most likely want to get their free copy of the game and god knows what cool goodies like press kits.

Have you seen the amazing press kits these guys get, look at some of them on Google.

http://cnet2.cbsistatic.com...

http://images.p-nintendo.co...

http://www.damonx.com/image...

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/N...

http://www.videogamemm.com/...

Don't you find it a bit odd that sites are trying to hit back against Joe because some random artist within DICE called him out recently.

Are they all coordinating an attack to down play him before the game comes out

Just saying...

DarkOcelet3534d ago

Maybe they are paid by EA to say some good words about the game so they make sure to downplay any negative words about the game. I wouldn't be surprised if it is true.

Just like Evolve, sites like IGN giving it a 9/10 and not talking about the dlc or the barebone content the game has is just mind boggling.

-Foxtrot3534d ago

Yeah another online only game. Hell you could even criticize Titanfall in some places, not worth the score they gave out. I know people still play it but after launch you hardly heard anything about it.

Either they have been bribed by EA in some way or they are trying to get on EAs good side.

It's got to stop.

Honestly if you got a good group of hard working people during their spare time you could form a video game website yourself and build it up. Honest reviews, articles, discussions. I mean sure you wouldn't get any exclusive info like big sites do but you never know.

DarkOcelet3534d ago

It wont stop as long as they get the games and the dlc for free until off course someone exposes them.

If people in IGN and those big websites are honest with us, they would get blacklisted and they wont get things like 'First on IGN' and they will most likely have to buy the retail version.

_-EDMIX-_3534d ago

"It wont stop as long as they get the games and the dlc for free until off course someone exposes them"

So never?

Super Street Fighter II Turbo...better start investgating if it wasn't just cut content from Street Fighter vanilla..

Command & Conquer...better start seeking to "expose" if that expansion wasn't just "cut" content bro.

I mean...if thats the case, its never, ever going to happen.

Mind you, expose what exactly?

Expose that they are working on a title, creating content and using said content how the feel?

I mean...that actually isn't illegal and I'm not even sure what that will really do to gamers.

They haven't known now, they merely just won't know later on and really, like I've stated many, many times...who cares?

Where did you read in the EULA that they where providing you with a service and not a product and that services was giving you everything that the team put their hands on?

What your basically saying is they are not allowed to alter content they legally own and your owed everything they created regardless of the law lol

If thats not entitled, I don't know what is. I'm a gamer and I'm telling you I don't care, I only care about what they are promising and marketing the title as, I have zero legal claim over content they are saving, removing, cutting etc as unless it was promised to me and marketed to be in the final game, I just don't care.

You should investigate if Metal Gear Solid substance content was cut too, I'm sure gamers will be up in arms to find out it was made during MGS2's development...the travesty./s

At this point, extras don't' exist, they are just cut content, I mean, forget sequels bud, that is just left over content from other titles, MGS4 is just cut content from MGS2 and MGS3 left over bro...*/s lol

ODST, more like cut content from Halo 3, someone call my LAWYER! Thats MY GAME THEY CUT IT FROM BRO, I'M OWED ODST!

DarkOcelet3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

@EDMIX

I am talking about IGN my friend :D

I am not talking about the devs cutting content here. I was replying to Foxtrot's comment about journalists who are being paid to say a game is good or give it high score like Evolve.

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Resident Evil 7 Angry Review

AngryJoe & OtherJoe Review a refresh of the Resident Evil franchise in this latest game in the franchise, how does it do?

gantarat3059d ago (Edited 3059d ago )

8/10 (9/10 with VR) + Bad Ass Medal

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yeahright23058d ago

Wow, he's back to doing actual game reviews instead of movie reviews? I might jump back on his channel to see what's new.

TitanUp3058d ago (Edited 3058d ago )

You should watch his update videos. Basically with so many games coming out he can do two full reviews a month. Which is fine because of the work he puts into it.

I just hope he reviews Nioh and Horizon.

Also his Yakuza review is one of the best review videos he has made imo. And I know nothing about that series.

CorndogBurglar3058d ago

I think Nioh and Horizon are pretty safe bets for him to review. He loved Bloodborne, and from I understand Nioh is similar to that type of game. Also, Horizon is a very highly anticipated game, and he usually reviews those.

Gatsu3058d ago

Awesome review for awesome game ^_^.

freshslicepizza3058d ago

good to hear vr sounds well done and a full game, seems like the only way to really play it since its kinda dumbed down and scripted in regular play.

DragonDDark3058d ago

8/10 isn't dumbed down & scripted.

CorndogBurglar3058d ago

Dumbed down and scripted?

How exactly would VR change that? The game is still the game, its basically just a different viewpoint. If its scripted out of VR, then that means it would be scripted IN VR, also. Also, all games are scripted to one degree or another. Things happen at certain points in ALL games.

Nothing about it is "dumbed down" either. Again, the game is the game whether your playing VR or not. VR just makes it feel more real, but thats kind of the whole point of VR, no?

UCForce3058d ago

Wow, Angry Joe does really enjoy the game.

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DICE Level Artist Reacts On Angry Joe’s Battlefront Rant; Truth Bending & Tiring

DICE’s level artist Daniel Cambrand has taken to Twitter to react on Angry Joe’s recent Battlefront Season Pass rant video. According Cambrand, Joe's rant video is highly unimpressive and wrong on many facts.

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Gazondaily3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

Ouch.

Angry Joe has to be careful here. I can see how his anger can get the better of him and the more he starts yelling, the more clichéd he might end up sounding.

At the same time, if Cambrand says he's wrong then he should state at least some examples.

VER1ON3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

Isn't the first time actually, Joe went all out on Nintendo earlier this year. After this Joe got into an argument with David Jaffe.

http://www.paradiger.com/da...

That post is Joe making up with Jaffe, all of the earlier punches are in pingbacks as well.

SolidStoner3535d ago

joe is 100% right that " ITS A TRAP" :D and it is.. all these things with weird stuff for additional money is a rip off, and should be in the game first place..

his anger and weird talking just sends us wrong message, but 70% he talks is right... 30% he talks about things he cant or didnt play before or just lost it in his anger! :D

anyway! DONT BUY these stupid adons, pre orders or DLC.. look at GTA5, great game and everything we get DLC is free, if you are rich or dumb, you can give R* money to get R* dollars.. and its fine..

but these rip offs are worst.. at least make it like Fallout 4 with pip boy or something..

but this they just use STAR wars name to sell BATTLEFIED.. and even battlefield is F***** up because it should go to the core BF gameplay, 1942 or Vietnam.. instead they are heading into COD pop culture FUTURE setting... F*** EA!

xHeavYx3535d ago

This Dice dude said that Joe is lying, but "forgot" to say what of what Joe said is not true.

freshslicepizza3535d ago

joe did show the deluxe version and what you only get for $10 more, a complete waste of money. then he showed the full package with the dlc. yes one can argue we don't know what the dlc actually is but for an extra $50 you are not getting two games. i can tell you that right now. It's disguised as 4 dlc packs they will likely charge $15 each for so you get $10 off.

the whole issue stems from how they go about development of the game. they rush it out the door to try and tie it in with the movie and add content later and justify it's a full game plus more content.

whether people like it or not if we want to continue to get aaa expensive games the consumers are likely going to have to pay in more ways. that's why seasons passes and dlc are becoming the norm. they do not want to get rid of the $60 price model so now they disguise the more expensive options as deluxe and trickle out extra content.

i asked this before but got no answers, only disagrees. the cost to make battlefront before was 20% cheaper to the consumer, aka $50 game. now the new game will start at $60. however does anyone actually think with marketing that the new battlefront game is only 20% more to make? i seriously doubt it. we now see games that cost 80 million dollars and more becoming quite common. the consumer will eat that cost one way or another.

guitarded773535d ago

Joe is right, but I have a sickness... and Star Wars Battlefront is the cure.

Army_of_Darkness3535d ago

" @AngryJoeShow @DavidotsuguA "It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

— Daniel (@TearGasJazz) October 19, 2015

So delay the F#@King game by a TON!!
I personally wouldn't mind waiting up to an additional year if it means getting a complete game with a campaign, plus all the other crap that they're issuing as DLC.... Reading this dice guy's tweets pisses me off even more cause he clearly thinks that us gamers are stupid or something?!....

badz1493535d ago

LOL what is this DICE dude even replying to Joe for? EA and DICE are in the hot water here and is this guy think that his answer will somehow make them the good guy? LOL

So what is it now, Dan? You guys can't put too much contents or mostly what fans wanted because that would mean you guys have to delay the damn thing? Is that it?? So...you're basically admitting that the game is an incomplete project?! But you guys charge $60 anyway for a freakin incomplete, rushed, online only POS! And to top it of, a freakin $50 Season Pass?? There's no defence for THAT! It's simply DISGUSTING!

Weren't you say that those are the contents you guys would like to put in the game but couldn't due to dateline and you guys can't afford to delay the game? Why the hell charge for them then?? Not $10, not $20, not even $30 but 50 F****NG DOLLARS!! And you have the guts to call out Joe for whining about it! You guys are PATHETIC!

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Halo2ODST23535d ago

Joe is right on this account - http://a.disquscdn.com/uplo... / side note - BF2 = 1 Pack, with 4 new maps & 2 heroes for 5$ whereas Dice BF - 5 packs (which each pack will only have 1-2 new maps) for 50$, Terrible value.

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Grap3535d ago

Why the heck i would pay 50$ for something i don't know they should release a plan for their sh!tty Pass.

nX3535d ago

and first they should make sure this game doesn't launch like their previous games, BF4 is still my most annoying gaming experience of the last few years

subtenko3535d ago

exactly, why we gotta frikken gamble im tired of this sht.....devs trying to get away with it. SAY NO GUYS!!! COme on!!!!

I wanted seige, now having doubts....wanted battlefront...no having doubts....Hey devs you could have my money without question if you did better....

DragonKnight3535d ago

Nah Septic, Joe is totally in the right here. EA is up to their standard tricks again and this artist is trying to defend money grubbing tactics. One can only assume EA promised DICE a fat bonus because of this. When's the last time you heard an artist defending sh*tty practices? Lead Designer? Ok. Random artist? First time I've ever seen it happen.

Gazondaily3535d ago

I do agree with Joe to clarify. It's just the nature of his ranting that might not make others take him as seriously as he deserves.

LightofDarkness3535d ago

I agree somewhat. Joe's often on the right side of a proverbial fence but he doesn't get his message across well at times. He lacks the eloquence (and even insight) of someone like Jim Sterling, but he does speak to a wider variety of people due to the simplicity of his message, however juvenile he can seem at times. He's useful for riling the masses, while others may be better for a direct conversation and for rebutting the rebuttals.

fanboysmackdown3535d ago

I agree and I'm not buying this one because of no single player. This is becoming an EA specialty........assholes.

-Foxtrot3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

I agree Joe is right. He's not always right, but who is these days, he's more honest then other Youtube personalities.

The video was just one that was quickly done aswell, not his usually high quality one when he's planned everything out, he was literally talking to other people and thought "hey lets just make a quick video" imagine what he could do if he spent time on one of his proper videos.

The random artist doesn't even say what things Joe was wrong about.

AizenSosuke3535d ago

That EA BS again sigh.....

HonestDragon3534d ago

I back Joe and anyone of the same opinion about the different "editions" of Battlefront. I went to the page myself to get a closer look at it all and it's absolutely ludicrous how EA is trying to sell this game. Three items out of the bloody list can be unlocked by playing a few levels (so some people would be paying for things they can easily acquire in game in no time at all) and the rest are digital filler that should be in the game in the first place instead of being held hostage in other "editions".

It's insulting is what it is. I knew from the get-go that Disney giving EA the exclusive rights to publish Star Wars video games was a mistake. Look no further than how this questionable release is going. Yes, the game looks amazing, sounds good, and plays well, but EA's attempt at selling bits and giving less content for more money is what's the ultimate problem here. EA just keeps up with their usual money grubbing tactics.

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Gunstar753535d ago

I unsubscribed from his channel ages ago. He comes across as a bit of a dick.

GearSkiN3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

Yeah coz he's honest. If you think about it why would he cares he has enough followers to buy the game. But he's not about that he's a gamer just like anybody else that likes to voice his opinion and not scared, I myself support this and blind gamers should do the same.

UnwanteDreamz3535d ago

@gear

Who coulf take what you said seriously with all the backhanded insults. What you call honesty I call knee jerk immature reaction being spoon fed to sheeple. You need this guys reviews to form an opinion? I don't need youtubers and their opinions on what I choose to spend my money on. Just giving my opinion like you gave yours.

bradfh3534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

he can talk how he feels fit. hate people always say that he should be more like a puppet.

2cents3535d ago

he is Angry Joe you know...

If he didn't loose his sh1t, what would be the point. He plays to his character and gives his fans what they want.

I don't think anyone goes to this show for factual and intellectual analysis. It's more for a laugh, just like Yahtzee.

We need people like Joe imo.

Gazondaily3535d ago

Yeah I subscribed to him ages ago. But even angry joe's anger can get same-y.

I like the guy and I actually agree with a lot of what he says.

IanTH3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

He feels a bit like a internet comment section personified, and not a balanced one either. One of those filled-with-anger for no reason threads - not something I care to read, especially not something I want to listen to.

Feels like balanced discussion tends to give way to people who are turned up to 11 all the time. Some people can't say I disagree with you, they say I hope you die in a tire fire because you like this company over this company.

I can't watch him. If you can't get your views across or hold anyones attention without devolving into a yelling, ranting mess spewing various levels of vitriol...well, then I have an issue both listening to what you might be trying to say or end up taking any of those points seriously.

subtenko3535d ago

There are more people like him. Everyone yells and rants,lol. tons of channels on youtube

2cents3534d ago

@Spetic, yeah, I enjoy his rants from time to time. Especially the effort he makes in his Segway's and green screen work.

@Instantstupor. Yes, he is a moron.

@Subtenko. They are a dime a dozen but I like the effort Joe puts in to his production values, the content is borderline ridiculous but the quality is top notch.

Rhythmattic3534d ago

Ah well, seems he's polarising .... you like him or hate him....

As for me, I find his channel entertaining.... Guess that means I like him.

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MikleDemi3535d ago

Exactly!

Where is the proof that Joe is wrong? Please Mr. Cambrand, take apart his rant and show us exactly how wrong he is. What's that? You won't? Yeah, that's what I though.

They are just trying to cash in on the movie, and they WILL.

ion6663535d ago

People must agree that 10 bux for three animations is a deal and they will buy anything in a season pass even if they dont know whats in it. People are retarded. Corporate cammander wins again....F@ck you Gimme Money!!!

quaneylfc3535d ago

He's an idiot.

I hate those self indulgent youtube assholes.

They're easier to pay off

Karnalsyn3535d ago

The only thing "tiring and cliche" here, is development studios desire to sell "mystery content" pre-release.

Joe is right to use his position to bring this crap to the forefront.

Helios863535d ago

To be fair the level design is pretty bland, downright shite imho.

-Foxtrot3535d ago

"Some seem to agree with you on that yeah. It is a reboot with the same name. It is new and we try to honor alot of the old"

WHAT OLD...they've literally left everything we liked and made the old games unique out of this game

Jesus man

"According to Joe, DICE shouldn’t have used the Battlefront title as this comes with expectations"

He's right.

It's just a quick Star Wars online only game to go alongside Episode VII. They've called it Battlefront to sell more copies. This could have been a new Star Wars IP and a digital only game.

MikleDemi3535d ago

Couldn't agree with you any more Fox.

garrettbobbyferguson3535d ago

Man, I never thought I would agree with Angryjoe, but I find myself completely on his side in this. That Dice artist has dashed any respect I may have had for that company.

But be careful Foxtrot, as the mindless masses will tell you to "Get over, just be happy we're getting a battlefront" or to "Get used to change and deal with it."

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s45gr323535d ago

Cambrad is just trying to cover his ass. I'm with Joe on this one, he is looking at the EA website store that shows what he is saying. Cambrad is just saying that Joe is wrong with non facts to back himself up.

WellyUK3535d ago

People are forgetting that there is a choice in this. NO one is FORCING you to buy the season pass at all. If you don't like or agree with it then don't buy it. The problem is, is that you complain on here but a month or 2 down the line you have brought the season pass. The more people who don't buy this the more likely they will change but sadly your not going to change the millions of people who sadly don't care and just want more Star Wars.

SegaGamer3535d ago

We KNOW we don't need to buy the season pass. It's not that we don't like the content that they will release as DLC, the problem is that we should be getting this stuff WHEN THE GAME IS RELEASED, not in the form of DLC. How are some people not getting this ?

UnwanteDreamz3535d ago

How are some people getting that you don't have to purchase the game or dlc?

That would speak volumes more than any video or comment you could post crying about it.

SegaGamer3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

@UnwanteDreamz, I won't be getting it, but i have a right to complain about not getting a complete game at lauch. Why should we have to pay extra for content that should have been in the game from the start ?

The guy's tweet basically confirms that the game is incomplete. This is what he wrote - "It should have been released with the main game" would mean that we would have to delay the game by a ton.

So he's saying that they can't delay the game, and because of that, we now have to pay extra for the stuff that should have been in the game from the start.

Like i said, we want the DLC stuff, but we shouldn't have to pay for it. It's just greed when we have to pay for stuff that should have already been included in the game.

mkis0073534d ago (Edited 3534d ago )

Why don't we start including the sequels with the base game?! I want my money's worth. We should get all the content.

To
The entitled generation.

Who the hell are you to say what a game's content is valued at without knowing the facts about development? The comparisons to BF2 are completely illogical as that game came out 10 years ago on a platform that can be run on modern phones. The cost of development and time is not equal. Our prices have only gone up by 10$ since then, but development time and money has skyrocketed.

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daBUSHwhaka3535d ago

The guys just telling it the way it is.BS from EA as usual.

Godmars2903535d ago

Isn't Joe's argument that this game has less content than the games that came before it?

Like you said, if someone from EA is going to refute those claims then they need to offer examples.

RegorL3534d ago

Lets wait and compare download sizes... :)

IceKoldKilla3535d ago

Anger? Dude you still believe he actually gets angry? He fakes it to make videos which make him money. Nothing real about ranting for $10. An optional edition on top of that. The dude pisses ME off. I should create a lousy channel called Angry Cam and rant on Angry Joe's videos. I'd get a million views each time too and have a whole beef thing to promote my channel and have people come check out why I rant on stupid insignificant shit about life.

MoveTheGlow3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

Just being angry doesn't cut it. Ask the Irate Gamer about that one.

You are right that it's a persona, a "fake" of sorts, but it's tougher than you'd think to convey a persona over a regular series of edited videos addressing current events. Tough enough that there's probably quite a bit of actual Joe in Angry Joe for him to last this long. He's way, way better at jokes now than he used to be, at least. He's learning.

He's getting views because he tries. Does he have some amazing, transformative things to say about the industry? Of course not, they're all pretty dang obvious. But he makes videos based on something he's an enthusiast of, and people like his ideas.

MoveTheGlow3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

Septic is right about Cambrand's shallowness when he responded. This DICE guy was just talking about "the truth" without giving a single detail. There's nothing that says that pricing isn't the way it is, and there's nothing that ensures the DLC will be worth the price. He needs to state actual examples.

For example: "As of now, our plans are to release expansions with 10 additional hours on average of single-player content and three new multiplayer modes each, along with new maps and new vehicles." He can't say something like that because he's under contract, sure. Therefore, he shouldn't have said the original stuff in the first place and let Youtubers be Youtubers.

I like Angry Joe. He's a good entertainer that can definitely do some great sight gags when he's on. I didn't necessarily love Joe's delivery on this one (the er... fake arousals were a bit much after the first time), but there isn't much opaqueness to the issues he's raising here, and they weren't refuted by this guy's responses either.

Yes, if the DLC that happens to be packaged in a Season Pass was included with the game, they would have to delay the release of the game. No, that doesn't make Season Passes any less sketchy, due to the less-than-stellar DLC showings we've seen. You wanna expand the game? Don't announce DLC before day one. Do an expansion. Shivering Isles that stuff, people. (Or just be CD Projekt Red and be trustable in the first place.)

But can we talk about that extra $10 they're proposing for a few quick unlocks and two exclusive emotes? I know, I know - we're free to choose, and if someone's purchasing that, they deserve to get that ripped off, just like how Destiny has those emote microtransactions. But really, if you're gonna front 10 extra dollars for the game, you should get something better than that. Heck, have a stupid Jar Jar setting where stormtroopers' helmets get replaced by Jar Jar masks and you can shoot him down repeatedly. Something that transforms gameplay just the slightest bit!

Ten dollars is more than three copies of Downwell. Get the base version of the game and get Downwell, for crying out loud! You'll probably play it longer.

jb2273535d ago

"At the same time, if Cambrand says he's wrong then he should state at least some examples. "

Totally agree. As consumers who have seen more & more shady practices hit the gaming market, can devs blame us for expecting the worse, doubly so when we are talking about publishers that have been guilty of the same practices on multiple occasions in the past? I think the biggest injustice bound to hit the market soon will be something mentioned in this video, the shutting down of servers on a yearly basis. That way mp gamers are forced to upgrade to the new iteration or they suddenly have a $60 coaster. Whereas in the past mp games like Halo 2 would have long lives before the servers shut down, there is absolutely nothing stopping devs from shortening that span by a mile. Reasons like these that I'm glad I'm an sp & local co op player only, the mp scene is like the wild west these days, anything goes & gamers will still drop their money in order to purchase a game at release because otherwise the communities are all dried up by the time a decent price drop comes around.

3-4-53535d ago

* If you really want to show DICE how much you don't like the season pass then don't buy it and don't buy the DLC.

When it doesn't sell well, they will get the message.

Realms3534d ago

This is not on EA it's on people that are going to buy the season pass. People never learn you get what you deserve for supporting idiotic business practices that are obious cash grabs. Yet people will buy it and then complain that it was not good enough, and EA will laugh all the way to the bank. If you are thinking of buying the season pass just remember what WB did with Arkham Knight and ask your self if it was worth it. Any how that's my two cents food for thought people can spend their money how ever they see fit. If they want to throw it away that's fine but just know you are the reason these companies keep doing these horrible business practices.

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BigBosss3535d ago

EA is a shady company though, you gotta admit that. You can't trust any companies these days especially since the gaming industry is run by the zionists same people that run the movie industry, porn industry and so forth.

MoveTheGlow3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

First sentence: Yes!
Second sentence: Yes! ...wait, Zionists? That's a little specific. "Riccitello" and "Wilson" aren't necessarily names I'd associate with the Promised Land or whatnot.

BigBosss3534d ago

Zionists are the higher ups who are the 1% also known as the elites or the rothchilds, rockafellas, etc.

MoveTheGlow3534d ago

Huh. Couple of definitions floating around, I guess.

VER1ON3535d ago

I have to agree with Cambrand on this though, not only to anger Joe even more.

Joe is wrong on so many levels here. He should get off his high horse.

DragonDDark3535d ago

2 emotes for $10 is good now? Okay LOL

Grap3535d ago

these people disgusted me man don't bother with them.

-Foxtrot3535d ago

People who defend these practices are parasites to the gaming industry. Why would any gamer with a passion for this industry support something which makes it sick.

Halo2ODST23535d ago

don't forget parasites must be disposed of, other wise they spread

masterfox3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

wow theres someone who support this ? mobile games is that way dude --> Exit real gaming

TrailerParkBoys3535d ago

"Exit real gaming" omg I love that

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JackVagina3535d ago

I have 0 problems with DLC as long as its made after the game has been released. CDPR,Bethesda,Sony,Activision all have season passes yet when EA does it everyone looses their minds.

I do think the deluxe editions "early unlocks" are sh**ty though. At the same time nothing is cut from the game. People simply need to read what theyre buying and try to avoid this.

_-EDMIX-_3534d ago

...you don't know when they are actually working on DLC bud, I don't even get how that would hurt you lol

Ninver3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

only an EA employee or activist would defend such filth. you know who you are.

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NarooN3535d ago

@thunderbird

You can put food on the table without being a lying sack of thieving pieces of shit, but okay.

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JackVagina3534d ago

Help me understand, why are people pissed? Is it because of the season pass or just the idea of there being DLC?

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SuicidalTendencies3534d ago

@thunderbird86

You ever think maybe these people just don't like being ripped off? Funny that you sound like one of those rich athletes that complain about putting food on the table just cause they didn't make that extra few million.

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DARK WITNESS3535d ago

ok, so Joe is wrong on so many levels here... ok explain what he is wrong on, in detail...

Joe is totally right in my book.

for the price of the Season pass, I can buy Fallout 4. I can buy a whole new game basically.

A year from now there will be an Aniversary edition that has the game and the season pass all for like £60 or something.

when did paying £50 for a season pass become the norm.

And to think of all the sh£%^t that Destiny took for trying to charge a full... what was it, £30 or £40.

I have not bought a season pass in the last 3 years or so and this is one game I think I will give a miss or at the least I will just wait till I can get a second hand copy.

xHeavYx3535d ago

@Verion
You, like the dude from Dice, forgot to mention what's wrong with Joe's statement.

SegaGamer3535d ago (Edited 3535d ago )

How is Joe wrong ? Pretty much everything he said was spot on.

_-EDMIX-_3534d ago

Agreed. Though he is trying to push something for what he feels is of the greater good, you can't just state stuff is cut despite the team, publisher etc saying otherwise.

If we are at this level of just assuming and "guessing" might as well apply this logic to all dlc.

DICE also made this game in 2 and a half years, its very, very likely they don't have that DLC just being "saved" or "cut" etc.

Even DICE LA and Visceral helped with BF4's DLC and BF4 is STILL getting content.

Delay BF4 til this year?

I mean...I get one wants a game with lots of content, but that is just something crazy to really ask any developer or publisher to do.

We are not asking Witcher 3 to delay its game based on expansion's...

Yes..it can be part of Witcher 3...why should the team do this? It would be nice, but so would all free things, thats not really a real economical, financially answer to such a question lol

I'm sorry but I think people are just upset because MOST of gaming doesn't actually agree with their views.

Evident by the sales currently. I'll take this game for $60 and decide if I plan to put anything more then 200 hours in it, if I do, then I'll wait to see what the DLC is, vs getting it at 80 to 90$ and getting bored maybe 70 hours in.

Mind you, that is the price games actually should currently be. Now..If I got COD MWII at that pirce, I would have been mad, I got that game and put 70 hours in and didn't really care for the rest of its MP, but hey....at least I didn't spend the real economical value of the game which is more then $60.

The games I did like that I got more stuff from were games I put at least 200 or so hours in on, mind you, I put over 300 hours in TF2 when it only had 6 maps.

Value is what the consumer believes, but market value is a factually thing based on what the majority will pay for...MOST WILL pay for it as its actually JUST! If it wasn't, its sales would reflect that.

Don't like DLC? Season Passes? Pre-order bonus? Don't buy it...simple. No one is forcing anyone to actually buy any of this.

Also stop bashing those who actually buy post launch content, sorry but its a subjective opinion, not a objective one. (for those of you who keep throwing personal attacks at gamers for buying what they like) Its just silly and stupid, some find a value in it and I see nothing wrong with that.

HonestDragon3534d ago

"I have to agree with Cambrand on this though, not only to anger Joe even more."

That is a counterproductive response that just reeks of spite toward Joe. You're basically saying you're agreeing with one particular party because you don't like the other person's views.

"Joe is wrong on so many levels here. He should get off his high horse."

Instead of just saying how Joe is wrong "on so many levels", explain how he is wrong. Why do you feel Joe is wrong about the season pass and the different editions of Battlefront? You can't just claim someone is wrong without giving some sort of viable reason.

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luckytrouble3535d ago

Having actually watched Angry Joe's rant, and having read the article, uh, k? The only point really addressed in the Tweets is the assumption that content was cut to be sold at additional cost later, which is something we always fear, and often assume, even if it can't be proven. Yeah, it's somewhat tiring seeing it, but at the same time, there have been more than a few times where DLC was abused to make worries justified.

Otherwise? Angry Joe was spot on about the lack of value in the Deluxe Edition. It's ten dollars more with the only extra content being two emotes. Unless the credit gaining system is completely altered this month before release, the other three items will be acquired quickly and easily. It's a shitty Deluxe Edition.

Season pass? It's expensive, and you have essentially no idea on what you're getting. It's completely and utterly vague. This does lend some credence to the idea that no content was cut for DLC, but then you also have to entertain the skeptic viewpoint that they were purposefully vague for the reason that they did cut content. That aside, if you're going to charge out the ass for the season pass, it should at least have some detail attached to make it seem worth the price hike over more standard season pass pricing.

Regardless, Angry Joe spends most of his rant attacking the price of mysterious or underwhelming goods. This artist did nothing to fight against that except to say "nuh-uh, totally wrong because I said so". If that is really a convincing argument for some of you, well, honestly, it's just kind of sad.

I also completely agree that the name is an attempt to cash-in on nostalgia. The new Battlefront really doesn't have much in common with the old past some of the most basic concepts.

I give the article a 0/10 for being wildly uninteresting and for simply trying to rile people up and force further argument about the value of Battlefront.

masterfox3535d ago

wow 120 dollars!?! EA BS again, not wasting my money on this!

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DarkOcelet3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

Finally! I have been waiting for this rant. People are getting screwed over with those Season Passes.

I would rather get Fallout 4 and Bloodborne GOTY Edition for that price.

d_g3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

agree Fallout 4 and Bloodborne have much more Content in that price

i would buy it for after while with a price cut

the funny thing they make pay money for 2 factory animation(emote) LOL

DarkOcelet3538d ago

Yeah, 10 bucks for 2 emotes? WTF? The rest can be unlocked so the Deluxe Edition is useless. EA are ripping off people and the problem is that the people are ok with it.

d_g3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

edit

"agree Fallout 4 and Bloodborne have much more Content in that price

i would buy it after while with a price cut

the funny thing is they make you pay money for 2 Victory animations(emote) LOL"

sigh....writing from phone keyboard makes me look bad

nix3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

Sadly many are going to buy both - Game and the DLC. Sometimes you buy it on impulse "screw it.. It's only this time..."

I've come close to such moment so many times only saving grace was the game wasn't available on the shelf. Hehe

freshslicepizza3537d ago

the game evolve kind of died largely because of the overpriced dlc model too. this game will get tons of hype, likely sell very well but die off rather quickly i imagine.

from what i've seen the game itself doesn't really look all that fun or interesting aside it takes place in the star wars universe.

nX3537d ago

A few days ago I saw that the Season Pass has already 30 5-star ratings on PSN and the only thing I could think of was "who can be so stupid?"
I fully agree with Joe on this one, we're hurting the future of this industry by supporting these kind of practices.

Army_of_Darkness3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

Everyone that wants this game with everything included should just wait a year cause you know EA is gonna bundle everything in for a cheaper price.... Probably much sooner too if sales are low enough when this game releases(hint,hint)

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-Foxtrot3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

Funny how you can get more content from a single player only experience then a multiplayer only experience

I could literally play Fallout 4 straight for 3-4 hours when I first get it while someone else plays Battlefront for 3-4 hours straight yet in the end I've probably not scratched the service while the other guy has most likely played on every map and played half the modes. Then just continues to rinse and repeat the same things while I continue to look for new things in Fallout 4s world.

In the end both games are the same price. Hell you could toss in the season pass and you'd probably get more in Fallout 4 without it's own season pass....DLC stuff which lets face it Bethesda does deliver on if you take in account Fallout 3s and New Vegas DLC

Yeah I know, I havent played Fallout 4 but judging from my experience from Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim that's what probably is going to happen.

DarkOcelet3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

You dont need to play Fallout 4 to judge it because you know it will have tons of unique content and quests. Hell, Fallout 4 E3 trailer has more locations shown than Battlefront will ever have. And thats a trailer.

nX3537d ago

Even Fallout 3 has probably five times as much unique content as Battlefront will have with season passes included but I wouldn't say that's the main point. Star Wars fans were hoping for BF3 to happen but EA simply couldn't resist cashing in on this so heavily that I'm not sure whether I still want to support it. We don't even know yet how stable the game will run at launch and how worthwhile the content on disc actually is.

OB1Biker3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

OR
Fallout 4 and StarWars Battlefront (both standard)

fermcr3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

Fallout 4 and Rise of Tomb Raider (if you have a X1) is the best combination of games for this Christmas.

DarkOcelet3537d ago

Or Fallout 4/Rise Of Tomb Raider and Halo 5. That is definitely the best combination out there.

Halo2ODST23537d ago

na, Halo 5 can rot in a dark corner, to pay for 3fail3's war crimes

DemonChicken3537d ago

Pretty much EA and screams incomplete game (looks at incoming free dlc) - EA doesn't like remasters/remakes because they rather milk with season passes and DLC charging us with what we don't even what is on the season passes.

LexHazard793537d ago

It really does suck. I bought Destiny and season pass because I wanted to play with friends. I wasnt told(I should've done my research)Taken King wouldnt be part of the season pass. Which I assumed was a dlc I would get with the pass. Boy was I wrong. All it did was give you a discount on the expansion. $40 instead of $60.

Now Destiny just collects dust because I refuse to buy TK. My day one purchases are becoming less and less due to Season Pass. You're better off waiting for a GoYE, I just cant do it for certain games. I love that CD Projekt Red and 343i are giving away free dlc.

Xristo3537d ago

I would rather have Fallout 4 and Bloodborne GOTY Edition for that price, also.... and I don't even own a PS4. F*** EA.

Professor_K3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

No epic SW campaing
no buy

19:17 sums up my sentiments to gamers these days

antz11043536d ago

People are getting screwed over with the season passes but you would be fine paying that amount if it's another franchise. Isn't that hypocritical?

DarkOcelet3536d ago

What other franchise are we specifically talking about here?

antz11043536d ago

Fallout and Bloodborne, like you said.

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-Foxtrot3538d ago (Edited 3538d ago )

"Their marketing this thing like it's Battlefront and it's..."

"Battlefield"

"Battlefield........AND it's nothing like Battlefront either"

Ha. Nice to see Joe gets it

"Do you get conquest mode, which is Legendary. I used to buy f****** chicken nuggets and fight my friends over multiple planets...NO"

Yeah that's kind of how it usually went lol.

DemonChicken3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

Yeah compare the last game - http://www.gog.com/game/sta... and for completion sake http://battlefront.wikia.co...

Now compare with

The game's online multiplayer mode supports up to 40 players in one match and 12 multiplayer maps will be available at launch

Star Wars Battlefront will feature downloadable content (DLC). The first downloadable content, titled Battle of Jakku, was revealed during Star Wars Celebration 2015 and will be publicly available for download for free on December 8, 2015. A Season Pass was announced on October 12, 2015 and will include 4 currently unannounced DLC packs. An "Ultimate Edition" was also announced which includes the game and the Season Pass for a discounted price. From - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Do want to like the game, but EA is not giving me a reason too as not paying $60 for this. Even if I do say this, people will still buy it and it will still be successful =/

SegaGamer3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

The bit with Admiral Ackbar saying "it's a trap" couldn't be more true. Taking bits out of the game and then trying to sell it as some sort of expansion, just to make more money, clearly a trap.

Themba763537d ago

don't worry ill gamefly it

Activemessiah3537d ago

worth renting....... that's about it.

Wenapee3537d ago (Edited 3537d ago )

Even without looking at the season pass, the stand alone game battlefield 4 (years old game) offers way more then battlefront.

He makes many good points, like having to pay for content that should be free. It already is very bad that some finished content of this already barebone game is placed behind a "deluxe edition" (2 emotes for 10 dollar).

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