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And the Rise of the Tomb Raider engine is called… Horizon

It’s one of the prettiest and most atmospheric series available, and now the technology driving Tomb Raider has a name.

SlappingOysters3501d ago

A bit of a generic name, but you can argue with the results. It's not Naughty Dog quality, but it's a good looking game.

sarahnade3501d ago

Oh I'd say it's pretty damn close, right? The footage I've seen so far has been absolutely stunning.

d_g3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Agree from what i have seen so far the game looks so beautiful

die_fiend3501d ago

Pretty damn close? Maybe for a blind person they'd be comparable...

Xbone is still having severe difficulty reaching 720p according to the Battlefront beta, how you think that's going to hold up to the best console graphics this generation? Pretty flippin' terribly!

quaneylfc3501d ago

Die_fiend

I'm blaming DICE for that, they've not hit 1080p with any game on any console yet.

hello123501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Die_fiend@ Must have learned nothing from last gen PS3 was the more powerful console last gen and still you guys got the worst performance with third party games. Third party devs will never take the time to work on complicated hardware we know that because it was the same last gen.

First party games made by Microsoft studios have all been above 900p

Halo 5 is above 900p plus 60 frames Gears 1080p Forza 1080p 60frames Tombraider is 1080p on xbox one

PS4 has not had a 1080p 60 frame game AAA game yet from a first party studio and its the more powerful console. 60 frames has been a challenge for them for some reason.

The PS4 is the easier console to develop for, but the xbox one is not a 720p console. First party devs have proved its more capable.

nveenio3501d ago

It doesn't touch Uncharted 4, but it still looks great in its own right as a multiplatform engine. I give props to the devs.

APexGamer453501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

@quaneylfc

And do you blame 2/3 of AAA dev teams who cannot get 1080p?

Do you blame Bungie? Rare? Crtek?

Even their first/second party team cannot hit it.

@KNWS

That argument goes out the window since all games look better or equal on PS4 compared to X1.

abstractel3501d ago

Console arguments aside, Tomb Raider just doesn't look as good as it should. Compare it to a game on the same platform; Quantum Break. It's a Quantum Leap (see what I did there) over Rise of the Tomb Raider. Only thing I've been impressed by are the water effects when she escapes the temple.

starchild3501d ago

I don't know why people are being so defensive. From what I've seen they do look pretty comparable and they are two of the best looking games I've seen.

DigitalRaptor3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

@ KNWS

And none of the 60fps games you mentioned have been incredible visually. Halo 5 doesn't look much greater than a last-gen game. Truthfully. Forza 5 looked borderline last-gen. Titanfall....yeah......

The only one that looks really amazing is Forza 6, and DriveClub still looks tons better when you put them side by side. It's not about "struggling" it's about how a developer wants to leverage the power of a console, and PS4 has produced the most visually impressive games so far this generation.

masterfox3501d ago

pretty close ? Naughty Dog isn't making a robot game :D

joefrost003500d ago

Truth be told it looks the same as uncharted to me but uncharted should look better it's coming out almost half a year after
Also I thought tomb raider was a overall better game than uncharted 3

And we talking about system power
Why dont you all compare it graphically to a game coming out around the same time
Quantum break
Quantum break blows uncharted out of the water

die_fiend3500d ago

@Quaney

Ok, blame Dice for it, but you know they didn't create the console right? Them not reaching 1080p doesn't really mean anything. Some games have better FX rather than resolution. Battlefront on PS4 looks amazing at 900p, but Xbone stutters at a jaggy 720p. It's got nothing to do with Dice...

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Volkama3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Odd thing to say. Naughty Dog don't have an Xbox One game you can use for comparison of the engine or technical features.

d_g3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Why it has to be a Naughty Dog quality when the game itself looks amazing
http://i.imgur.com/hK7NPF9....
http://31.media.tumblr.com/...
http://crossbrandmedia.com/...

i'm not saying it looks better than UNCHARTED 4 But You people need to stop comparing ND to TR

THC CELL3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

It was uncharted inspired that brought Lara back.

Anyways we should not argue these games should be played and hope we have a tombraider uncharted cross over like the old days alien vs predator or terminator vs robocop instead of vs a team up will be great

Tontus3501d ago

It looks just as good as UC4.

Why can't people be satisfied with both of these beautiful looking games developers have been working tirelessly to create for us instead of having this futile dick measuring contest?

peshkavusCA3501d ago

According to PS fanboys graphic whores, Naughty Dogs are actually Graphic Gods.

2pacalypsenow3501d ago

@peshkavusCA well they are.. They have accomplished what no one else has graphically on consoles. They are the Crytek of Consoles except they make fun games

joefrost003500d ago

Which was the better game overall?
Tomb raider smashes uncharted 3
I always thought uncharted gameplay was mediocre at best even ND themselves have admitted their combat needs work
And we talk about how good ND games look when you are playing them there is actually very little going on except when you are in a cinematic rendered cut scene with limited controls to push the game along

PrinceOfAnger3500d ago (Edited 3500d ago )

@2pac "well they are.. They have accomplished what no one else has graphically on consoles. They are the Crytek of Consoles "

Crytek are the wizards here.

https://lh4.googleuserconte...

https://lh6.googleuserconte...

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SuperLupe3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

I seriously don't see how UC4 looks better than this. I would say they are on par graphically with UC4 having more vibrant colors.

jb2273501d ago

I'd say that'd be a stretch. Doubly so if you are talking in all aspects of gameplay, important things like character animations give a massive edge to Naughty Dog. The character animations in Rise of the Tomb Raider are very stiff on the climbing sections. I honestly think regardless of the fidelity though, no one touches ND in terms of art direction, their environments could be half as sharp as another game in terms of graphical fidelity & they would still look better than any competitors because the design & detail on offer is simply unmatched.

abstractel3501d ago

@SuperLupe Compare the truck flipping over in both games. It's a very similar scene. I am not going to argue console power here as Quantum Break has shown the XB1 can do more, but that comparable scene shows that Uncharted 4 looks leagues above RotTR. I'll wait for the PC version either way as I did enjoy its predecessor but I am way more psyched for U4.

Quantum Break, Gears of War 4, and maybe Scalebound is what will get me to buy an XB1. And then I'll get Halo 5 whenever which one of those comes out first. Right now, unless I was a Halo fan (which I am not really, but I enjoy them) I see no reason to get an XB1. Definitely not for RotTR.

TricksterArrow3501d ago

The wind physics is a mess in TR. It hardly moves Lara's hair or her clothes (which contains fur). This is particularly weird since she is on top of a mountain... Where the wind is pretty much stronger than usual.

Nathan has better physics in his chest hair than Lara has in her entire head. That's not to say that the game is not beautiful as it is, but if comparison is made, TR loses every time. Not even gonna point out how Lara looks like a doll and Nathan has lots of wrinkles and expression on his face... Its pretty crystal clear.

DigitalRaptor3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Got to be kidding me. Who are these people?

Character model detail alone Uncharted 4 wins... there is no bloody comparison. Environmental details and draw distance.... again, no comparison. Vibrancy of the world... goes to Uncharted. Crazy attention to detail... UC4. Gameplay animations.... Uncharted 4 triumphs. Nuanced facial animations during cutscenes.... Uncharted. Particle effects.... Again ND win. Cinematic flair.... always Uncharted, always.

As Thunderbear said, show me something from Tomb Raider that matches this: http://giant.gfycat.com/Col...

Or this: http://cdn4.dualshockers.co...

Or this: http://i.imgur.com/huml3GY....

Or this: http://i.imgur.com/ujCKdr3....

Or this: http://i.imgur.com/3MAeDL4....

Or this: http://media.giphy.com/medi...

Or this: http://orig00.deviantart.ne...

Do I have to go on? DigitalFoundry will compare both games next year, and embarrass those thinking that this is an opinion. On par.... you think?

LonDonE3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

@DigitalRaptor
DAAANGG!!! Those gifs are sexy as hell!!
I just understand how anything or anyone can even compare anything to Uncharted 4.

Seriously ROTTR is more comparable to uncharted 2/3 in the nathan drake collection.
And then even they are running native 1080p 60fps vs rottr 1080p 30fps with dips lol
Serious anyone calling these games on par is delusional!! Uncharted 4 is a proper next gen game with next gen physics etc rottr looks like a 360 game at 1080p on x1 which it is.

I truely feel they hurt this game by making it on last gen 360 also which means they are limited by scope, scale etc where as naughty dog have let loose and gone crazy pushing the Ps4.
Crystal dynamics can only push so far or risk the 360 version too bad and not selling.

People can delude themselves and say another studio ported the 360 version but that has no bearing.
I feel Titanfall was also affected negatively due to the 360 version.

I mean just look at ROTTR, i saw better or on par water, snow, particles in uncharted 2 and 3.
I have always said i was dissatisfied with the graphics of rottr.

Naughty dog are untouchable thats just how it is lol
I liked tomb raider, infact iam currently playing through it on x1 and will play rottr at launch but regardless uncharted 4 is beastly! In fact uncharted 2 on ps4 looks better at 1080p 60fps lol

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mixelon3501d ago

Those both are so far into the uncanny valley that it just makes ND look better. Especially Star Citizen - as much as I love that sequence, the facial capture was pretty wack.

dRanzer3500d ago

TRU3_GAM3R@

well true gamer you are not,if you judge a game according to his faces animation.
first i dont know if gameplay on Star Citizen will show off this animation what uncharted 4 has already proved he is doing,and even if Star Citizen shows this animation while playing the game im sure its run on two 980 GTX while uncharted 4 are so damn close to Star Citizen animatiom and using 1.84 TLOP and laptop cpu.
Yes ND are wizards

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TheXgamerLive3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Stop with the typical defensive fanboy responces, yes It"s as good as any ND game and anybody else. Relax dude. Any devs game can be as beautiful or more than anybody else's.
This is the problem on this site, blind fanboy responded.

abstractel3501d ago (Edited 3501d ago )

Given the footage out there, you seriously feel U4 and RotTR are in the same league?

We would not be having this discussion if RotTR wasn't a (lengthy) timed exclusive. If it was MP most would see the ridiculousness in comparing the two games.

Also, I wonder if RotTR will have drivable vehicles... I would say not. Everything I've seen of RotTR looks to be an expansion to the reboot. More of the same. Which I am fine with, but don't come in here and compare it to U4. Developer aside, it does not look as good or show any innovations in animation or gameplay.

starchild3501d ago

@thunderbear

That's actually not true. I thought Tomb Raider 2013 looked better than Uncharted 3 even though that was a multiplatform game (I played it on PC).

So, yes, I do think Rise of the Tomb Raider can look comparable to Uncharted 4. In fact, everything I've seen so far makes me think that is the case.

I don't even own an Xbox One and Uncharted is one of my favorite series, but anyone not blinded by fanboyism can see how good Rise of the Tomb Raider looks.

Jayszen3501d ago

Let ROTR stand on whether the gameplay is good enough or not and forget about trying to compare with Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4. Most gamers will acknowledge that that it is not likely that ROTR will be as good as UC4 either visually or in gameplay but even if it is not, there is no reason why the game good still not be enjoyable, fun and exciting. It is just that Naughty Dog are on another level altogether.

Imalwaysright3501d ago

I disagree. Imo TR 2013 had better gameplay than any Uncharted due to better controls (especially the aiming) and due to being more varied.

Trekster_Gamer3501d ago

Yes Naughty Dog builds pretty games that doesn't mean they're game play, or game mechanics or puzzle solving or platform jumping is the best in the business by any means!

I had as much fun with Tomb Raider in 2013 as I had with any Uncharted game!

Uncharted is nothing but an interactive movie that always ends up being a bromance between Nate and Scully. The weapons they have always just magically seem to appear at the right time!

Nate and his superhuman leaping and jumping abilities sure you have some of this with Laura but nowhere near to the same degree and it feels more realistic with Tomb Raider.

Uncharted 2 was the pinnacle of their games they've only gone downhill from there and I'm not speaking in terms of graphics but as in terms of overall gameplay mechanics.

Gamer4life133501d ago

Ok I desagree with everything in your comment. First if you wanna talk about movie play MGS4 until dawn, heavy rain those are movies but at the same time great movie like gaming exprinces that shouldn't be missed. Uncharted is not a movie just because it has cutscenes because as far as I know tomb raider also has cutscenes wich means it's also a movie game right>_>. As for weapons appearing out of nowhere what is wrong with it? Because last time I checked tomb raider also had random weapons appear out of nowhere. 3rd what is wrong with Nate and sully being together? Because again last time I checked they are the main characters of uncharted. Plus you end up being with other characters though the game later on besides just sully. 4th both Nate and Lara are super human with their jumping and shooting and other krazy stuff I seen them do one isn't realistic more so then the other with what they do. While uncharted 3 wasn't as good as 2 it still was a fun and great game that personally had a better story then reboot tomb raider and set pieces. I loved tomb raider reboot and I'm glad this is the new driction they are going with Lara but to say tomb raider does things better then uncharted is completely wrong as both are very similar in gameplay just one is darker and brutal and other is more colorful and amazing story it has. No offense but your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

Bigpappy3501d ago

"Generic name", lol. I hope you are not a PS4 fan, as Horizon just happens to be the name of their most promising and popular, upcoming New IP. So much so, that if I didn't know better, I would say they stole the name.

It seems to be a very good engine. We have to see how it performs on PC and the end of next year on PS4.

Azzanation3501d ago

What's Naughty Dog quality? TR on 360/PS3 looked better then Uncharted so I am sure this new TR isn't going to be any less of a quality game. Remember Rise of the Tomb Raider is also a 360/PS3 game and is releasing in 2015 unlike UC4 which is a 2016 title and PS4 only.

CD can easily do what UC4 is doing if they decided to go down that path, the difference is they didn't and are choosing to stratify gamers on 2 generations and not one.

Nothing against ND or UC but you shouldn't be comparing 2 games with 2 completely different focus and markets. The new TR looks amazing regardless of what UC4 looks like.

LonDonE3501d ago

No buddy i think rise of the tomb raider is 360 x1 and pc then ps4 later

IIFloodyII3500d ago

I really doubt they'll waste their time with a PS3 version that late, software sales are already awful on the system now, i'm honestly surprised they are still doing the 360 version, would really like to see how many have even bothered to pre-order that version, I'd bet not a lot.

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Damrock3501d ago

Tomb Raider Looks amazing no doubt,but it's a long way off from uncharted.

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TwoForce3501d ago

Well, ok. That's the name engine of ROTR, huh ? That's a good name.

TheCommentator3501d ago

Would it be better if it came after Forza, or before Until Dawn?

robtion3501d ago

Funny how people keep comparing TR to ND. I love Uncharted and TLOU, and The Jak series but the TR reboot looked significantly better than TLOU graphics wise.

Not saying it was a better game, but in terms of pure graphics, Tomb Raider...WIN!

SniperControl3501d ago

So you're comparing a last gen game against a current gen engine?

Now, that's funny......

robtion3501d ago

TR reboot and TLOU are both last gen games with current gen remasters, so not quite sure what you mean? Guessing your misunderstood.

Funny you got so many agrees when your comment makes no sense don't you think ;)

Volkama3501d ago

Are you comparing the TR reboot PS3 version against TLOU PS3 version?

Never played the PS3 version of Tomb Raider myself so can't say I agree or disagree, but I'd be surprised if compares favourably over one of the most prized exclusives on the system.

robtion3501d ago

Sorry, let me reiterate ;)

"Not saying it was a better game, but in terms of pure graphics, Tomb Raider...WIN!"

Volkama3500d ago (Edited 3500d ago )

No need to reiterate, I understand you are talking about the graphics. That's why I asked to clarify that you were talking about the PS3 versions in both cases, because the point would be less pointy if you were looking at the PC version of Tomb Raider.

As I say, I haven't played TR PS3. The Last of Us was lauded for it's amazing graphics (as well as everything else), and when people talk about what the PS3 was capable of they mostly talk about TLOU and GOW3, not Tomb Raider.

Seems you are talking about PS3 versions, and giving Tomb Raider the nod. Fair enough, I still haven't seen TR PS3 so I still have no opinion there :)

PreAtaric3501d ago

"TR reboot looked significantly better than TLOU graphics wise."

Nope.

robtion3501d ago

"TR reboot looked significantly better than TLOU graphics wise."

Yarp.

starchild3501d ago

Yeah, actually it did. I didn't play the console versions so I can't say how they looked for sure, but I do know that the PC version of Tomb Raider absolutely did look better than The Last of Us. I also think the Definitive Edition of Tomb Raider on PS4 looks better than The Last of Us Remastered.

jb2273501d ago

Wow I don't know how you'd figure that. To my eye TLOU is MUCH better than TR when you take into account art direction, character animation, size & scope of the world, physics and particle effects...TLOU bests TR in every single category, but hey you are entitled to your opinion, but it's most definitely not a "winner" in my eyes.

PreAtaric3501d ago

Played them both. TLoU was and is a better looking game.

Speak_da_Truth3501d ago

Played both om my Ps3 and yeah no TLOU looks freaking beautiful.

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ShottyatLaw3501d ago

I think you misunderstood @robtion.

Both TR and TLOU were originally released on PS3.

Both were then ported to PS4 with graphical enhancements.

It's a worthy comparison. I still give the nod to TLOU, but Crystal Dynamics definitely made one of the best looking games of last gen. The engine looks and feels quite solid, and I am excited to get my hands on both ROTR.

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jznrpg745d ago (Edited 745d ago )

Zero Dawn sold really well so I’m not sure this belongs. The second game released next to a big game again and it hurt it some I forget what it was though, oh yeah Elden Ring .
But a good game is a good game to me I don’t care when they release personally but they do have to think about it when you want to get more people to buy it.

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isarai858d ago (Edited 858d ago )

Deserves less IMO, i think the 1st in the new trilogy was a perfect 1st step for the new direction. The next 2 games were half steps at best. Not only that, every character in the series including Lara is just annoying and doesn't make sense in terms of motive, like yes they have a motive, but none of it seems proportional to the lengths they are willing to go through for it. The most annoying thing is every one of the games say "become the Tomb Raider" yet 3 games later and we're still not there? No thanks. Then there's the mess of the 3rd game, massive skill tree that serves almost no purpose as there's literally only like 3-4 short encounters in the whole game, and they took till the 3rd game to finally manage some decent puzzles even remotely close to previous games in the series. Nah, the trilogy infuriated me to no end as a long time fan of the series, i hope we get better going forward cause that crap sucked.

Army_of_Darkness856d ago

The first in the trilogy was my favorite. I thought they were going into the right direction with that one until the second one came out and seemed like a graphical downgrade but the gameplay was okay. As for the Third, Graphics were really nice but it was kinda boring me to death with its non-stop platforming and exploring with not enough action! Well, for me anyway...

DeathTouch856d ago

Graphics on the 3rd one were abysmal. It’s more colorful and has more variety, but everything else was a noticeable downgrade.

The more open world with NPC quests was also handled very poorly, to the point I missed Angel of Darkness.

thesoftware730856d ago

I know it is your opinion, but she did progress as a character in each game, she even got more muscular and seasoned.

That is the thing, people first complained that there was not enough platforming and actual tomb raiding in the first and second games. Shadow remedied that and kept the combat elements.

3-4 encounters? huh? did we play the same game? there was plenty of combat and, the skill tree did matter, like being able to hang enemies from trees, set explosives traps on bodies, being able to counter, and that are just a few of the combat skills. The skill tree also had things like being able to hold your breath underwater longer, crafting upgrades, zipline upgrade, and climbing upgrades that all changed how you can approach situations.

Not knocking your opinion, but we definitely had different experiences. I had 98% completion on the shadow.

SoulWarrior856d ago (Edited 856d ago )

Sorry but i'm with him about the low number of encounters, the game throws loads of weapons and skills you're way with a comparatively low amount of places to actually use them, so they felt under utilised.

-Foxtrot858d ago

Yeah...no

It was awful, for THREE GAMES it was "become the Tomb Raider" where she went back to square one after each game. Not to mention after a huge reaction of killing someone for the first time she then becomes Rambo straight after and goes on a slaughter spree without a single other reaction. Her development was all over the place.

She was whiney, weak and in later game a little arrogant and selfish

Oh and the voice actress compared to the previous ones was not as good

Lara Croft deserved better and while they are decent games as they are, we deserved actual Tomb Raider games, we could have had better survival games if they just stuck with the original Lara Crofts origin about her plane going down. Surviving 2 weeks in the Himalayas...I'd have liked to seen that, who knows what mystical threat she could have faced in the mountains or underground some secret concealed cave.

Tacoboto856d ago

I thought Shadow of the Tomb Raider had better gameplay than Rise, but it annoyed me the most of the trilogy when I stopped to think about the story.

It's like they deliberately decided to make her unlikeable and did nothing to make the character you're playing as likeable or have even one sign of humility.

SoulWarrior858d ago

2013 I thought was a fine entry, but Rise and especially Shadow were painfully mediocre follow ups imo, I really didn't like how selfish and angry her character was in those two.

Terry_B856d ago

No. Please forget the crap completely.

northpaws856d ago

First one was decent, played through it twice.
Second one was okay, played through it once.
Third one was really bad, tried twice a year apart, still can't get through the first two hours, it is just really bad.

thesoftware730856d ago

Honest question, what did you find bad about it? the opening 2 hrs of Shadow were fantastic imo.

The opening was very similar to the first 2, what did you find really bad?

Not looking for an argument, just an honest question.

Starman69856d ago

3rd one just didn't feel like a tomb raider game. Possibly because the development was passed to another development team. Big mistake! Microsoft killed tomb raider making the first game a timed exclusive. Never recovered after that.

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CrimsonWing691237d ago (Edited 1237d ago )

They're all solid games, but nothing quite matched the epicness of the first one for me. I think the 3rd one started off strong but once you got to that Peruvian area it took a massive nose dive for me.

lelo2play1237d ago (Edited 1237d ago )

You got to be kidding!
The first one was great at the time... but this latest trilogy of Tomb Raider games are also great.

LiViNgLeGaCY1237d ago

I think he means the first one in the new trilogy.

CrimsonWing691237d ago

I meant the first of the new trilogy.

Furesis1237d ago

yeah i remember liking the first one when it came out, so i tried the second one sometime after release and i just could not get into it, i couldn't finish it. So i might try the 3rd now that i got it for free but ehh. But i do remember enjoying the first one, i wonder if i'd feel the same way if i played it today? Better not taint those memories lol

ANIALATOR1361236d ago

I was the same for some reason. Never finished the second one. I got like half way through maybe.

ActualWhiteMan1236d ago (Edited 1236d ago )

The first one of the latest trilogy is a masterpiece

Fishy Fingers1237d ago

I'll take a copy of Shadow... Cheers.

Profchaos1237d ago

Great games I've played them all on ps4 but it'll be good to finally try shadow on my rtx card.

Double_O_Revan1237d ago

Trying to claim them and the store keeps crashing. lol.

gamefreaks3651237d ago

EGS has been having issues all day.

RedDevils1237d ago

Weird I don't has that issue.

Double_O_Revan1237d ago

I finally got it after a while. But it was real bad for a while.

PeeShuter1237d ago (Edited 1237d ago )

Claim games by going to the website and login using ur credentials. I did the same as i couldnt use epic launcher. Also try reinstalling Epic Launcher I did it and it worked.

Double_O_Revan1236d ago

I always go through the website. It was all just down for a while yesterday it seems.

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