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Nintendo NX Tech Demo Can Only Run On PC's With "Cutting Edge Chips"

The Wall Street Journal, which recently reported that software development kits have already begun being distributed to third-party developers, is now saying that some sort of an NX tech demo requires such a large amount of power to the point where it can only run on PCs with “cutting-edge” chips.

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Big_Game_Hunters3528d ago

Sounds good to me. what is the cred on this guy?

suckingeggs3528d ago

Seems Nintendo is going in the right direction with regards to power

But it's it to little too late? There are going to be alot of Wii u owners feeling angry at how short the life span was... Nintendo are going to have to try and persuade Xbox one or ps4 owners they need another console... Its definitely an uphill battle for Nintendo.. Last chance saloon some might even say

Last Nintendo console I bought was gamecube..still Though I'm keeping open minded and hoping Nintendo give me no choice but have to buy the NX

DarkZane3527d ago

Another problem is that by the time this come out, PS5 and Next Xbox devs kits will be out to developers and they will probably decide to ignore the NX and make games for PS5 and Next Xbox since they will be a lot more powerful than the NX.

freshslicepizza3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

a) nintendo most likely wants to come out with a system priced at $299 because they are a family friendly company and don't want to outprice themselves from that demographic of being a toy company. the wii u also failed to gain traction at $349.

b) nintendo will want to have some sort of parity among the xbox one and ps4 though to get more major ports and multiplat games from third party publishers. so i do expect a system that can handle those game but not cutting edge like it's supposed to be equivalent to the gtx 980 or something. not gonna happen.

c) nintendo also knows in order to set itself from the others they need to be different. rumor has it its going to be a hybrid of sorts that can also be a portable system. which could mean games can be scaled down to play on those devices or it will have a portable controller device built in like the wii u tablet again. which would also add extra cost to the hardware.

my expectations is they will make a nx console and a nx lite system which will play nx games but portable style. this would make cross gaming easy, buying one licence to play your games on both devices and help nintendo aim at both platforms at once instead of trying to support each independently. i also expect a brand new open world mario game to launch that will blow people away.

the other order of business i think is getting hideo kojima onboard and make a game for it.

@DarkZane,
"Another problem is that by the time this come out, PS5 and Next Xbox devs kits will be out to developers and they will probably decide to ignore the NX and make games for PS5 and Next Xbox since they will be a lot more powerful than the NX."

this is bound to happen with nintendo since their timing isn't very good no matter what they do now. i expect this new system to come out late next year. that would be midlife of the other two consoles and if it's priced at $299 it will match them perfectly.

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LOL_WUT3527d ago

If it indeed has cutting edge tech then Nintendo would be doing the right thing. Consider it a day one purchase for me ;)

Game4Next3527d ago

NX 1080p, PS4 900p.
SONY still leading with Japanese Exclusive.
Xenoblade X with more realistic lighting, better skin shader, Bayonetta 3, Last Story 2, Open-World Splatoon, Metroid.

herbs3527d ago

@ Darkzane
If the NX releases next year as planned and is more powerful which is likely then it will have at least 4 years as the premium console on the market so the timing is actually really good for Nintendo in terms of cost for industry leading hardware and deferentiating its self from its competitors.

ABizzel13527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

If true, and it turns into a $400 console I wish them the best of luck, because they're going to have a long hard road ahead of them.

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bangoskank3527d ago

Many Nintendo fans, including me, have abandoned the Wii U and are waiting for Nintendo to get back in the game. I'm excited about this news and am hopeful.

someOnecalled3527d ago

So you're saying every gamer owns a next gen console. If this is more powerful and get 3rd party support why would someone choose the weaker consoles especially since people love to talk about the best console is the most powerful one.

Scatpants3527d ago

If it has some sort of portable component and is as strong or stronger than PS4 I'll probably buy it.

jamstorr863526d ago

As A wii U owner, I would rather see nintendo become more competitive with a new console, rather than persevere with a piece of Hardware that is losing popularity with each passing day. If i can still play my wii u games on the NX, i will be happy

bradleejones3526d ago

Yeah, the wiiu isn't even 3 years old and there aren't any new games on it already. Good luck getting me to buy their next system...

Neonridr3526d ago

Most Nintendo consoles lifespans are 5 years. Assuming this releases at the earliest holiday 2016, then we are talking about 4 years. I guess I can look past it this time assuming they are bringing something beefy to the market. I have had more than enough enjoyment from my Wii U so far, so I feel as if I got my $300 worth of enjoyment.

abstractel3526d ago

If it's as powerful as it seems to be, I'll buy it for Nintendo games alone. Never got a Wii, never got a Wii U but that's because my expectations of the technical aspects were higher than what those machines could deliver.

ChronoJoe3526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

I feel that differentiating their system in terms of power from the PS4 / XBOX ONE will put them in a really awkward position.

One, I don't see a lot of consumers shelling out if this console is a lot more expensive than the alternatives, especially as the alternatives will be offering a lot more in terms of games and content at the time.

Two, it will make the platform problematic to develop for. Additional resources will be required as consumers will expect more than a port. A lot of big developers will either a) skip the console because of the extra effort or b) port their games over, without significant graphical or technical enhancements that make good use of the hardware.

3) Nintendo are liable to get left behind when the next generation of consoles comes around, more powerful than theirs. The next generation of consoles will have strong fanbases and thereby, pretty strong adoption rates, especially for Sony, who are currently dominating this generations hardware sales, in an unprecedented manner.

To me, this is painting a very similar scenario to the Dreamcast. A console that's more powerful than its current generation counterparts, a console that's both portable and a home console (slightly different on the NX, but the similarities are interesting).

I guess we will see, but I think everything is pointing towards a very bleak future for Nintendo if this ship sinks, especially as they're kind of putting all their eggs in one basket, with it being both a handheld, and home console.

The Dreamcast failed because it launched off of the back of a failed previous gen console, attempting to get out of the gate early with more powerful hardware in an effort to sell more units. That didn't appeal to people. A lot of people had already invested time and money into the original Playstation and the Nintendo 64, and they weren't willing to shell out on a new system when they suspected more 'next gen' systems would be arriving shortly after.

That, alongside the inherent lack of third party support that came with the unique nature of the system and small install base, made it very very difficult for the Dreamcast to get off the ground.

That's something that could happen here, if these rumours are true.

I guess we will see though. I'm not dismissing it, I'm just skeptical.

SliceOfTruth8883526d ago

Nintendo could dump the Wii U today (owner since launch) and i would love it. Trash the Wii U and show off a real next gen Mario and Zelda and watch everyone bow down

Codewow3521d ago

If Nintendo gives me credit and backwards compat with WiiU trade-in I'd be more than happy to get the new console.

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kneon3527d ago

Sounds meaningless to me.

They are likely running an emulated environment that simulates the target device. As you typically require about an order of magnitude more power to emulate a dissimilar hardware platform this doesn't really tell us anything about what NX has to offer.

eddvdm3527d ago

Exactly.. not to mention Nintendo platforms tend to be the most hard ones to emulate (N64, GC).

wonderfulmonkeyman3527d ago

Likely? Based on what?
For all we know, this demo is being run straight off of a dev kit for the NX, and in that case, it'd be just as it says; a powerful build.

kneon3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

If they are running on real NX hardware then why the need for a powerful PC, it would make no sense.

Ck1x3527d ago

It's not that its meaningless, we just don't have enough info on everything that was presented. The demo could have been created in an actually NX development environment and Nintendo could have given them recommended specifications on what's needed to run the demo at a decent setting.

dcbronco3527d ago

What the hell? We know AMD is doing a custom solution and it has been hinted that it's x86. Since the Wii U was a updated Wii chip it should be cheap enough to include. Ten year old updated tech shrunk down. And given Nintendo entering the market at this point they get the advantage of coming in with several generations newer CPU and GPU architectures plus two die shrinks. Since they don't have 28nm versions of their chip to hold them back they can take advantage of power increase of die shrinks plus power savings. Along with the refinements AMD is introducing and already released in power efficiency.

The shrinks will half power requirements before architecture changes take place. Nintendo will have a very powerful console and still come in at a competitive price. $400 for a profit. $300 breaking even.

I'll make a prediction. Nintendo will announce a console with at least five teraflops. At a profit day one for$300. If they opt for a 8 teraflops machine, $400 breaking even. Also if they skip the gimmicks. Mark this post.

brave27heart3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

From the Wall Street Journal.

I don't know about you guys but they're my go to place for all the latest most accurate gaming news....

/s

Until I see a list of facts from a source that's credible then I'm not going to get excited/disappointed about some random gibberish spouted from a non games related source.

Neonridr3526d ago

@kneon - yes that could possibly be true, or you could be completely wrong.

kneon3526d ago

@Neonridr

And that's why this is all meaningless, unless we know why such a powerful PC is needed it doesn't tell you anything about the NX.

Codewow3521d ago

Not exactly considering a emulation typically means that it wasn't developed to run on that hardware. If they're making a better system than Sony or Microsoft it has to be PC architecture or very similar. There is no way Nintendo is developing something like Linux themselves.

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Yahdaree3527d ago

I'm not about to get excited just so I can get disappointed later.

thejigisup3527d ago

I agree I'm tired of seeing some of my favorite IPs only to be left disappointed. I wish ninty could bring me back on their side.

nveenio3526d ago

Agreed. Nintendo hasn't released a powerful system since… Ill believe it when I see it, and even then I'll be skeptical, what with all the unreleased demos we've seen over the last 10 years from all sides.

Moonman3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

"Now You're Playing With Power.......NX Power"? :)

I just thought of something funny. What if these developers are complaining about Nintendo having "too much power". lol

Bleucrunch3526d ago

How do people disagree with a question? Good questions by the way and to answer it I have no clue myswelf, but similar things have been said about other consoles in the past so I am skeptical.

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DevilOgreFish3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

Nintendo has a track record going with Radeon based GPUs so I checked the specs for possibles. The R9 370 (big possibility) it's TDP is 150 and it's 1.894 T-flops.

And then there's the R9 380 (closer to "cutting-edge") it's TDP is 190 and it's 3.290 T-flops.

It's also possible that the GPU in the NX will be a modified version of an off the shelf one, with altered memory and shaders. I'm just listing some possible figures.

ABizzel13527d ago

Look at the R9 M300 series, there's you're most likely candidates (the "M" is a must for looking up the right GPU).

These consoles are using laptop GPUs.

At best expect R9 M390x performance.

Most likely R9 M385x.

At minimum R9 380x.

sourav933527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

Actually, there are some laptops now that are sporting full desktop grade GPUs: http://www.pcgamer.com/nvid...

Albeit that article mentions Nvidia GPUs, but I'm sure AMD can do it as well. So it's not far off to thing a desktop grade AMD GPU modified to run in the NX. I would think something like a 380x, at least to "beat" current gen consoles. But my inner geek inside me is screaming at the idea of an R9 Fury Nano in the new NX :D

Edit: No I'm not expecting in any way for the NX to have a Fury Nano; that would be stupid. I just mentioned it because I think it would be awesome. Unrealistic, but awesome.

ABizzel13527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

@sourav93

A GTX 980 is a $500 GPU, that's not going into a $400 (at most) console, and it takes SERIOUS amounts of cooling to keep those laptop cool, and a completely separate power supply dock.

And the TDP of the GTX 980 is 165w.

The Fury Nano...might since it has a a 175w TDP, but it has a bad whine when it gets too heated. The R9 380 is around 190w, so again it might work. The R9 370 is 110w so it should definitely work.....

But then we're back down into the R9 M385 territory, and the R9 390x being more powerful than the 370x, and about on par with the 380x with nearly half the TDP.

It's always a give and take, and picking with what works best overall.

Ck1x3527d ago

Not sure why people keep saying that the PS4 and XbOne have laptop gpu's when you can clearly go buy each desktop version right now in stores. The cpu's were definitely laptop grade, but the gpu's are desktop variants.

madmonkey013526d ago

@ck1x,

its a laptop APU it has now CPu or GPU, in either the x1 or ps4

ABizzel13526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

@Ck1x

The GPU in the PS4 / XBO are based off laptop GPUs. The PS4 is specifically based off the 7970m / 8970m / R9 M290x series of laptop GPUs (which are all in turn based off the HD 7870 desktop GPU).

However, the PS4 has much more in common with the laptop GPUs, because it's in a tight, crammed, enclosed space thus heating becomes a problem.....just like a laptop. This is why the PS4's GPU has clock speeds, pixel fill rate, texture fill rate, and TDP on par with the laptop versions of the Pitcairn line of GPUs, and not the desktop. It's also why the Desktop 7870 performs a good notch better than the PS4, meanwhile the laptops are ever so slightly ahead.

The PS4's GPU is a HD 7970m with HEAVY inspiration from the R9 M290x, just clocked lower with 2CU disabled.

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conanlifts3527d ago

I'm thinking that they would likely come in with around 3 tflop for gpu if they want to seriously compete. If they come in closer to the ps4 they will likely struggle. But coming in around 3 tflops would give them a big edge, while still being affordable. They could then advertise "the worlds most powerful console" to grab the attention of gamers. Anyone concerned with 900p vs 1080 p would have to be interested, right?

I also think without a physical drive, yet the ability to add sd type storage the console price would be lower and inline with a ps4. With this option I would expect the nx to only offer a low 250gb hdd, which while not great cuts costs with the option to increase storage.
Of course it's all speculation,but sometimes it's good to guess, even if it might be wrong.

ABBAJESUS3526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

nope, next year AMD releases 14nm video card chips wich are expexted to be over 50% more powerful

Wenapee3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

"Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips"

This implies (to me) that the demo had such high quality graphics that cutting edge chips on a pc are required to run it.

This sounds good and the direction to go for nintendo. However, even though I have had nintendo systems in the past, I am no longer interested in them because most of their exclusives are mostly childish games (mario this, mario that, mario X mario, mario 52).

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Ark_3527d ago

... could also just mean, that it's badly programmed or that it requires a lot of multithreading, if they e.g. simulate a console and handheld(s) running in combination.

Don't get me wrong - I hope for some graphical power as well on the NX.

conanlifts3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

Actually, while I hope the console is great and does have serious power I do remember the Wii U having cutting edge tech. The only problem with the WiiU and its cutting edge tech is that it is cutting edge for power vs energy consumption. It's quite impressive, unfortunately most gamers ( myself included) don't buy a console for its energy saving ability.

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Neonridr2d ago

I've never had stick drift in any controller I've ever owned. All my joycons (3 sets) from my Switch are perfectly fine. My Switch 2 ones are good. Never had a dualshock / dualsense have it (did have a dualshock get a stuck trigger once). Even my Valve Index controllers which were notorious for drift were fine for me.

Goodguy012d ago

Varies. Just because you've never had one doesn't mean others won't. I've had PS, Xbox, and Nintendo controllers indeed drift on me. Remember the drift lawsuits that Nintendo has had.

Please stop trying to say that traditional potentiometers are absolutely fine when hall effect/tmr sticks are beyond superior lol, not sure why so many people keep trying to defend potentiometers when hall effects are so pro consumer.
Companies like nintendo, sony, and mcsft don't want to implement them simply because they want you the consumer to keep buying them. Most casuals will just buy a new controller if theirs difts, easy money for the big 3.
I've gone hall effects and have never gone back, can leave my controllers out absolutely fine without worry of dust ruining the sticks.

Neonridr2d ago

when did I say that traditional joysticks are absolutely fine? I'm sharing my own experience here. I never said that others don't experience issues, nor that this is somehow acceptable. Strange leapfrog from A to B on that one.

People love to say it's a huge widespread issue, yet you only hear about it because the minority is vocal whereas the majority don't report anything because they are fine.

I'm happy you switched to hall effect sticks, if that's what works for you, then awesome.

Christopher2d ago

Cool? Pretty sure this is for those who are having it happen. Not sure how your anecdote addresses other peoples' problems.

Neonridr2d ago

people around here act like everyone will get drift. I'm willing to wager more people won't get drift than will.

Pyrofire951d 10h ago

lucky you. I've only had minor drift once in my L Joycon which I fixed with some card stock, but drift is an undeniable problem as a whole.

repsahj1d 7h ago

My 2 sets of Joy-Cons from my OG Switch started to drift with just a month of use. That is why I bought Dobe Joy-Cons with just $25, and until now they are still fine. I hope this will never happen again on my Switch 2.

jznrpg1d 3h ago

My left joy con for the OG Switch got stick drift right away as well. I never had issues with my PS5 controllers since launch until I got my kids PS5’s and they had stick drift with 2 controllers. They drop them because they are kids and although I have them wash their hands before gaming they still get gunk under them somehow. I got their controllers modded because they would have issues no matter what I have them do.

jambola15h ago

"people around here act like everyone will get drift. I'm willing to wager more people won't get drift than will."
no, nobody is acting like that, you're jsut exaggerating it and lying to downplay a problem

-Foxtrot11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Nintendos biggest defender on here so it figures

gold_drake12h ago

you know, i said the same thing not too long ago and then BOOM both controllers ha.

one on the moving stick and one on the look around stick.

both suck arse. ha

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jznrpg1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

The tech is already there. I had a couple of my PS5 controllers modded with Hall Effect modules and they work great. They should come standard with them these days but they don’t.

OtterX1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Nyxi already made some fantastic Hall Effect controllers for Switch 1. I don't know why Nintendo couldn't have it by now if Nyxi has had for years.

spoonard1d 7h ago

Cheap, frictionless sensors ALREADY exist. Why are they "working hard to combat stick drift"? Stick drift should be a thing of the past at this point. The technology is here...NOW. It has been...for YEARS! Why is stick drift even still spoken about? It shouldn't exist!

Chocoburger23h ago

Because its a scam for Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft to sell more overpriced controllers.

jambola15h ago

because pathetic fanboys will continue to defend and support

Doomeduk12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

WD 40 if it's shagg.d anyway why not ? I ordered a new ps5 pad after Helldivers 2 and POE 2 became unplayable due to drift but in the meantime I fired a bit of WD on my balls just below my stick rotated in a clockwise fashion massaging it in so to speak and also did the pin reset thingy and all clean no drift and hit that cancel purchase button like I meant it

UltimateOwnage11h ago

Honestly I’ve used my original Switch JoyCons and Pro Controller since launch and only in the last year did I see drift start to show up on one of my JoyCons. I’m sure it happens depending on how much and how firm the joystick is used, but it seems like a minor issue that goes with wear and tear after thousands of hours of play. I wish there had been Hall Effect sticks on Switch 2 just so there’s one less thing to worry about, but I’m not really concerned about it.