Until Dawn’s First Big Patch (1.03) Weighs In At 10 GB, Changelog Inside

Until Dawn's first major patch will take a huge chunk of hard disk space on PS4.

[uth11]

ughh... I only buy retail discs to avoid huge downloads. I don't know why I bother anymore because you get stuck downloading huge patches anyway.

Maybe time to go all digital...

[OB1Biker]

Its still a lot faster and easier to delete a game you dont play for a while and to reinstall it when you fancy playing it. Also its great to keep it on shelf for a nice collection friends can borrow and you can even sell or trade it in.
Plus digital should be a lot more cheaper than retail disc but actually retail games become cheaper a lot faster.
All in all I dont see the interest for digital but everyone their own preference.

[uth11]

Well I have too much physical media in the house as it is, and I have kids, so when I go to hunt down the disc, it's never in the right case and I end up sorting out all the games.

Digital is just more convenient overall

[_-EDMIX-_]

@uth11- um yea. Lets see how great that sounds when a situation like P.T rolls along. How do you know many of those games you buy digital if the publisher won't go under and remove that support? Once that happens, all it takes is one failed HDD and gone for good.

I only buy digital if its the only way to get it or I get it free or at a huge discount and its not a huge game.

MOST times I will get physical and situations like P.T very much solidify that I will never get any major game upon release as digital.

I'd rather have it physical and lost in my house, then digital and removed FOREVER!

[WalterWJR]

Sony needs to lock this down and give devs a maximumum data allowance. Patches like this put off casuals from gaming at all.

[CyrusRiffs]

@WalterWJR They already do, and patches overwrite data, so meh.

Look at it this way: XB1 makes you download a full chunk if they change a bit of data in that chunk, so the patches can be as big as the the whole game even if they just change 1 small text file in each chunk. PS4 does not. So at least everything you're getting is needed.

[dantesparda]

They fix the frame rate?

@Cyrus

That's not true is it?

[nitus10]

I fully agree with all the points you brought up and of course everyone has their own preferences.

@uth11

Nothing wrong with having physical media, however as the adult gamer in the house it really is your responsibility to make sure your kids know how to handle and manage the physical media.

Digital is fine if you don't mind the download which as we have seen may also have ridiculously large patch sizes as well which is IMHO poor programming, although DLC sizes are acceptable since they are add-on's.

Note: When I say "poor programming" I mean that the overall design was done without or with little consideration for maintenance.

[alfcrippinjr]

digital should be a lot more cheaper than retail disc

your correct on this one it should be a lot cheaper
then buying retails disc

digital downloading is the biggest scam going.

your better of buying the disc over the digital versions.

only time you buy digital is if it dead cheap.

[muzikjunkie80]

CyrusRiffs

Look at it this way: XB1 makes you download a full chunk if they change a bit of data in that chunk, so the patches can be as big as the the whole game even if they just change 1 small text file in each chunk. PS4 does not. So at least everything you're getting is needed.

stop spreading BS that simply is not true it does exactly the same on both consoles and the patches are never the same size as the full game, its beyond me why people like you spread misinformation and pass it of as fact.

[CyrusRiffs]

@dantesparda It's 100% true unfortunately. Unless they changed something since I found that out, which is unlikely. I'm not sure why though.

[badz149]

10 freakin GB? whoaa...calm the f down satan! What is this? Xbone?

[RedDevils]

@_-EDMIX-_ "takes is one failed HDD and gone for good" haha you must be one of those idiot doesn't even know what you're on about, you can always get it back without costing a single cent, but with disc broke say good bye.

"How do you know many of those games you buy digital if the publisher won't go under and remove that support?" You sound just like those guys in the PS1/PS2/PS3 days when Sony introduce a new medium which is = to new options, but no you think it gonna fail hard.

Anyway other than pricing, I don't see anything wrong with digital.

[Skankinruby]

I had every intention of going all digital this gen but I'm a thrifty shopper and prices for games dont drop nearly as much digitally as the physical ones do, not sure why

[nitus10]

It's called greed.

With physical games there is a thriving second hand market and unlike CD's and DVD's Bluray disks (BD) are scratch resistant although it is possible to damage the top printed surface.

If a game re-seller gets too many of a particular game they have no choice but to reduce the price which in turn leads to a reduction in price of the new game. Depending on a game's popularity and second hand sales, price reduction can happen slowly or quite fast.

An all digital game is not under that much market pressure so it tends to keep it's original price for longer. Digital games only drop in price when there is reduced demand for that game and unlike a physical game which requires a retailer to provide physical space the only space a digital game requires is bytes on a server.

[kotaku77]

That's a totally fair point you made, idk why you got so many disagrees.
In my opinion the day this goes all digital will be the day I'll go only retro.
By the way this game is awesome.
Peace V

[uth11]

My opinion is often outside the mainstream, so I'm used to disagrees. But in this case it is lopsided because looks like most people are also annoyed by the file size.. go figure!

[creeping judas]

uth11 maybe your kids got online and started disagreeing with you?

[deadpoolio316]

Did you just now like this week get a PS4 or X1? You do know that ALL retail games for both consoles are installing the FULL game right, so IF its a 50gb download its a 50gb install from the disc as well

[uth11]

I know, but I don't have the greatest internet speeds, so if a game is a 50gb dl, I buy the disc retail.

So when I buy a disc, and end up downloading 10gb, 15gb in patches, it kinda defeats my purpose for going physical in the first place

Worse this was a game that amazed everyone by not having a day one patch, and seemed relatively bug free, now suddenly it needs a huge patch for a handful of trophy and misc fixes?

[nitus10]

You are stating the obvious here, however it normally is much faster to install a 50GB game from disk at approximately 27MB/sec than from the internet.

When considering installation speed you also have to consider the write speed of the hard disk and considering most PS4's and XB1's have 5400rpm disks write speed is normally in the 22 MB/sec range the maximum download and install speed is limited to the performance of the hard disk.

Now lets do some simple arithmetic. Say we are installing 50GB and the max write speed of the hard disk is approx 22MB/s then the total install is going to take around 38 minutes which is what you could expect from a Bluray install.

Of course a better performance disk will allow faster installs and better overall performance such as an 7200rpm disk or if you have the money a Solid State Disk.

Next we consider an internet install. This is by far much more difficult since internet performance varies enormously. Great if you have a connection that is better then 22MB/s but not so good if your connection is 1MB/s or less and that is assuming you can get consistent speeds. So a 1MB/s internet speed for a 50GB download could take as much as 14 hours.

If you want to apply a 10GB patch then this is normally done via the internet and this is why some people are not that happy since a 1MB/s internet speed for a 10GB download would take approximately 3 hours and possibly impact their cap if they have one.

@uth11

Well said.

[showtimefolks]

If publishers want us to go digital than lower the price atleast $10. Reason being simple retail stores are not taking their cuts so why do consumers still pay the same for digital

[uth11]

the reason is they don't want to piss off the physical retailers by underselling them digitally. That's the reason Ubisoft gave at least and it makes sense. They also said they expect that to change in time.

But yeah, they should be cheaper due to reduced distribution costs, and no trade-in value.

[Orionsangel]

I went all digital two years ago and never looked back.

[someOnecalled]

Welcome to the new world of console where mostly everything people said they wouldn't do or is bad is now good. Ain't these console convenient and plug and play like other rave about. Good thing it work day one or people without internet would be stuck with an unplayable game

[Insomnia_84]

10GBS? WTH?!

[DragonDDark]

Did they hide something in there? 😞

[Kal-V3]

Usually, large patches like this that arent said to be actual content are just replacing assets and audio that are already in the game with and updated set of those with the fixes. Sometimes you can't just patch things directly.

[neoandrew]

You can and it is called delta patch, but it has it downsides.

[MRMagoo123]

I was thinking maybe something special for Halloween was added perhaps because ppl are saying it increases the game size by 10 gigs pretty much , so that would mean more content of some sort.

[joaovictorop]

10 Gigas to improve Stability and bug fixes in a game that already runs buttery smooth?! Strange.

[DragonDDark]

Ikr? Imma play it again (•`~'•)

[Neonridr]

strange.. that can't simply be stability improvements..

although inverted Y axis, yes please.

[tjg59]

I thought the game ran fine already

[Sy_Wolf]

It sat in the low 20s most of the time, that's unacceptable.

[OpenGL]

Why was it so large? I appreciate the improvements but even with a 1TB hard drive these massive patches for bug fixes are fairly annoying.

[neoandrew]

I bet it is level related bugs, if they packed it in one large file with textures etc. then they need to replace it as a whole.

So i bet most of this 10gb will not be added to the game size, more like replacing it.

[1nsomniac]

No it doesn't. I can confirm it increases game size by about 10Gb to now 40 odd GB. It seems to add content rather than replace. Which makes the whole thing even stranger. It had to contain something that we don't know about.

[MRMagoo123]

Hmmmm could it be something special for Halloween ??! It is a horror game and all so ...... who knows.

[neoandrew]

Maybe it is not showing accurately, they hid something (dlc?) or the fixes are rebuilding the levels so it is bigger.

[nitus10]

I can understand for DLC but a patch?

Someone did not plan this game properly with regard to maintenance especially since you have only two choices. One to use the internet to upgrade and two not bother.

[PSIN4MANT]

Photo Mode needs to happen.

[Letsplayhalo]

11GB? Does it include chapter 3 for Phantom Pain?

[uth11]

I believe it does, but you can only access it if everyone dies except Emily

[MoreRPG]

this is why I would to have the option of updating my games using a usb

[TheLoCoRaven]

Not sure this needs 10GBs . . . people need to get use to uninstalling games when you're not going to be playing them anytime soon.

-Fixes to prevent progression blocker in Ep9

-Option for inverted Y Axis

-Fixed Trophies

-Stability and bug fixes

[DivineAssault]

Whats the deal with these MASSIVE patches?! Do they even bother with lossless compression anymore?? I have 1TB in my PS4 right now but i know im going to have to upgrade it within a year or less.. Im constantly deleting game installs to save precious data space and this is something companies knew before launching these consoles..

[AstroCyborg]

how is this 10 gb worth

[PersonMan]

I just want a 30fps option!

[tigertron]

I didn't encounter a single issue, but I guess I'll still download the patch just incase. It's crazy how large patches can be these days, bigger than actual games themselves.

[Wintersun616]

That's not a patch, that's a whole surgery.

[captainexplosion]

I picked a really bad day to rent the game.

[Shakengandulf]

Well, it's a single player game and as far as i know, you can skip updates.. You should be able to play it fine.

[StormLegend]

First Witcher 3 and now Until Dawn

I highly doubt that I would update

I could care less since the game plays great.

I'm gonna make a rule for downloads now

Only multiplayer games are getting updated.

Or unless the SP games patches are no more than 5GB's

[alfcrippinjr]

holly fook 10gb update.

physical media for me over digital downloading.

as they control everything you bought.

all the games remain on the cloud server.

but say if your account got hacked or someone did something
wrong online.
and your ps3 or ps3 gets banned.

goodbye library games forever