Star Fox Zero Delayed to Nail "Platinum Feel," Dev Discusses 60 FPS on Both Screens

Star Fox Zero may be delayed for additional polish, but according to Platinum Games' Yusuke Hashimoto--who is co-directing the game alongside Shigeru Miyamoto's team at Nintendo--the game is already running at 60 frames per second on both the television screen and the Wii U GamePad.

[Ck1x]

Nintendo just needs to buy Platinum Games at this point already!

[Maybay]

That would be amazing, though a lot of gamers would revolt against that idea. I'm happy Nintendo's listening to their fan base (on occasion). An overwhelming amount of people complained about SF Wii U's controls and visuals, so it's good they took that to heart.

What Star Fox Wii U needs is an online multiplayer mode (Vs and co-op). Hatersgonnahate, though I enjoyed Star Fox Adventures, and think Platinum Games are the perfect developers to embark on that aspect of gameplay.

[-Foxtrot]

Nah. I'd rather see them as a multiplatform developer

I don't like how you have exclusive IPs to each company

Bayonetta, Nintendo
Nier 2, Sony
Scalebound, Microsoft

[Ck1x]

The only reason that I state this is because Platinum has publicly stated that they wouldn't mind being a 2nd party studio for Nintendo and seeing as how everyone is so obsessed with sales of software these days, it would be a much more secure position for such a talented developer.

[Loadedklip]

I think they are making the same mistake Capcom did. You make your own games unreliable to your fanbase as to where your games are going to be.

Though to be fair unlike Capcom ... Platinuum really doesn't publish their own games so it's not like they have much of a choice.

I know if I was in charge of a third party company, the goal would be to get my games on the most popular system first and then to be able to make my games on all platforms if feasible budget wise.

[benji101]

I agree but they would not have to work on crap like Kora or Transformers if they are a part of Nintendo.

[Harryseveruspotter]

Yes they need to do that
....!!!!😁

[N4g_null]

Gooooood goooooood.

[blawren4]

It's probably like Puerto Rico being the 51st state. Sounds good on paper but their are probably really good reasons we don't understand that keep it from happening.

[Loadedklip]

The reasons could be that

1) Platinuum is not up for sale in the first place
2) While their games are amazing, they don't really sell that well. For Nintendo to be truly interested, they would want games that are going to sell 5-10 if it requires a AAA budget. Look how they neglect the Metroid franchise. They do that because why make an expense Metroid game that will see 1-3 million at best when they can make a cheaper Mario game and sell 10-40 million instead.

[pcz]

60fps isnt difficult with gamecube era graphics

.. but im glad they want more of platinums identity to it

[Segata]

Visuals are like that because the Wii U is rendering the game 2 times and still keeping 60FPS. ALso it's far above Gamecube just not as high as we thought it would until you realize it's impressive on why.

[marloc_x]

"We've got them both moving at 60 fps, which is big for a lot of people, I think," he continued. "But I think that it's kind of a milestone in gaming, in a way. It's not something that we have done ourselves before at Platinum, and it's just not even something that has been done in gaming before."

[Loadedklip]

What is the point of limiting Platinum to the limited audience that will pay 300 bucks JUST for a Nintendo adapter aka console?

Unless Nintendo is going to get full third party support, getting one more developer isn't going to make a big difference.

I feel that Nintendo should just go third party themselves.

I LOVE Nintendo the publisher/developer.

But I don't see what is the point of segregating themselves to their own system that has failed to secure the quantity of third party support required for their to be a reason for you to have your own system.

Seriously before anyone clicks disagree ... THINK WHY does it benefit you to have to buy a system JUST for Nintendo games. Wouldn't it be better to buy a system that plays all Nintendo games AND Capcoms, EAs, Bethesdas, UBIsoft, Activision, Namco, Squaresoft, Warner Bros, Konami, Rockstar, etc etc etc? Sp even if Nintendo buys Platinuum, their system would still be BADLY outnumbered since both Sony and Microsoft get a ton of third party support that avoids Nintendo consoles since the N64.

What is the point of Nintendo still making consoles if they all pretty much end up being Nintendo only systems for the most part since the N64?

Please considering explaining why you disagree before clicking disagree. Could turn into a good debate if you make it so.

[Ck1x]

Because I guess the Wii never happened, the DS didn't happen or the fact that Nintendo has been in the gaming industry for 30yrs. Most people need to ask themselves why are you so reluctant to have an alternative to the norm? I want iTunes on my android phone but does that make any kind of sense if Apple is actually very profitable with hardware and software.

People act as if the 3ds is some massive failure, but the DS was just an extreme anomaly. The 3ds will top out close to what GBA did and that doesn't sound like a dead market to me. The WiiU has been such a headache for Nintendo because if they had invested in closer to an off the shelf setup, the price to manufacture the system would have dropped tremendously by now. But because it's such a custom piece of work, its still costing them more than what the system is worth in the publics mind and more than what they could of had in more powerful hardware.

Does this equate to Nintendo never being relevant in the console business again, of course not! The market is just to fickle for that and all one needs is the next big thing and everyone is talking about them again. Nintendo also got very caught up with being different for the sake of being different with the WiiU and the launch titles prove this. It has taken Nintendo 3 yrs to prove what makes the gamepad unique and on their previous consoles you got the hook immediately. Wii was self explanatory, the DS as well and N64 was all about controls in the 3rd dimension. Not one game to this day utilizes asymmetrical game play to the fullest on the hardware.

The most recent patents is why I feel that we need companies like Nintendo to stay alive. Sony or Microsoft would never disrupt their core fanbase by drastically altering a game play Mechanic or implementing such drastic polarizing control schemes to very popular franchises. The scrollable shoulder buttons and pulse detection strip may never happen on a console if Nintendo weren't around. What if these items change how games respond to use and we interact with them.

I agree that everything they try may not work out, but you won't know until you try. Plus I like to see game play advance just as much as visuals. Stagnation will be the death of the industry and people will start to get bored and find something else. I'm throwing this out there, but for as much slack as WiiU has gotten. I guarantee that one or both Microsoft and Sony's next consoles will have some kind of touch screen display on them...

Not to mention that there are many insular companies that have and enjoy their own ecosystem of branding and product releases. Disney very much does their own thing and has carved out a market for themselves.

[Concertoine]

"What is the point of limiting Platinum to the limited audience that will pay 300 bucks JUST for a Nintendo adapter aka console?"

1. How do you know Nintendo's consoles will always be like that?
2. How can Nintendo escape the "Nintendo adaptor" status without absorbing non-Nintendo studios and/or buying non-Nintendo support?
3. It would be desirable to Platinum because they have already stated as much. Platinum should do whatever it wants.

Ultimately this is a pointless debate because Platinum has zero trouble getting publishers and Nintendo would never bother buying a dev that has NEVER met sales predictions.

[N4g_null]

Did you know each platform limits and grants access to their console. If sony and ms didn't want any more competition from nintendo they could just deny them access to their consoles? Better yet they could force them into a buy out because of them no longer having a platform. Things like mario maker wouldn't be made simply because ms and Sony would not have supported a dual screen.

The going 3rd party is a troll move. Like some one giving you bad advice so that they can see you fail.

Just because it is an idea floating around doesn't make it a good one. Plus platinum would be assured funding then if they where 2nd party.

If the nx os what many are saying then platinum wants this game to shine as they will be doing more follow ups. No one cares about the development news they care about the final game.

[rjason12]

For the most obvious reason, Because they make them money.

[marloc_x]

Why would I buy a Sony console that doesn't play Microsoft games?

..or vice versa.

I can play my 3rd party games on soo many devices.
Consoles are losing the identity that had been DEFINED by their exclusive properties.

Except for one particular machine😉

[Loadedklip]

@ Ck1x ... Wii and DS were HUGE success thanks to casuals not gamers. This site is called N4G. The G stands for gamers.

I assume you are a gamer then since you are here. Do you really want another Wii?

What's the difference betweeen Wii and Wii U when it comes to gamers? Nothing. It's just a Nintendo adapter with little third party support.

For gamers ... Wii did not have Dead Space, Fall Out, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Street Fighter 4, Mortal Kombat 9, Batman Arkam, Grand Theft Auto, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, and I can go on and on and on with fill in the blank AAA third party games.

The Wii sold amazing but just like how much Angry Birds sells to people ... it definitely did not sell much to true core gamers.

Out of the 100 million the Wii sold ... 80 million of that was extreme casuals at least.

Wii U's sales are the core Nintendo fanbase which is a far cry from that 100 million and much closer to the Gamecube.

[SteamPowered]

I would be happy if they ditched the gamepad altogether. I dont know what resources that pad takes up, but I never ever use it. The Wii Pro Controller is criminally underestimated. That gamepad though, not so much.
I game on a 106" Screen, so I have zero interest in looking down to see what the 6" gamepad screen displays.

[Detox024]

That's a big fuxking screen bro

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

The game pad has literally every single function a pro controller does.
You lose out on nothing by using it, and gain quite a bit in gameplay options by getting used to it.
Having differing view points, better access to inventory, extra room that face buttons can't cover for accessing abilities and more easily interfacing with menus, and off-TV play in case that precious TV of yours ever has an issue and stops working.

You're looking down on it just because it's got a screen, and not taking into account that, at its most basic, it's exactly the same in function as the pro controller.
There's no logical reason to downplay it so much.

[SteamPowered]

The gamepad is quite large. We have become accustomed to controllers being roughly 6" across. The Wii u gamepad has got to be pushing 12" or so. It's an awkward size disparity.
I don't doubt that the gamepad can be useful for inventory or commands on the screen, but will you really notice 60fps on such a small screen? I Haven't noticed lagging so far.

the gamepad brings lots of potential, but Nintendo is making it a focal point, when it could be an added luxury.

[Knushwood Butt]

Does Starfox work with off-TV play?

[Detox024]

I wish Nintendo would go the drag route and just make software. I have pc xone and ps4 but I know I'm gonna wanna play like five Nintendo games over the next 7 years but I don't buy their consoles anymore so I wish they would just sell there games to real consoles

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

The profits from their consoles are a big part of the reason why they can continue to make games.
They design their games for their own home-built consoles, not unfamiliar hardware that doesn't match what they want out of a system.

If you honestly care about the games, you'll get what they're built for.
Not try to support a monopoly that would ruin the company in the long run, as they can't survive off of mere software profits alone when the majority of people outside their consoles look down on said software more than give it any fair credit or chance.

Pay the entry fee like everyone else. Nintendo's consoles are just as "real" as the others; whether you like the systems or not is irrelevant to how good the games are.

[InTheLab]

Except they're not making money on the Wiiu and they've yet to.....

You know what, it doesn't matter. I've said this over and over and you guys keep at it. They have not sold enough to make a profit but you guys pretend like covering the manufacturing cost of a single unit sold equals profit....so whatever.

I'll see you in 10 years when you're telling people all about how successful the WiiU was just like you do for the Gamecube and N64 today....

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

It doesn't matter how much you "tell us" when what you're saying is a flat-out lie, especially one that doesn't take the things connected to the system that allow it to continue being a source of profit, and development freedom, for the company.

The fact that they have a console means that, on top of units sold, they've had a secondary platform on which to launch games compatible with Amiibo, which furthers their own profit.

Nintendo has not been selling the Wii U at a loss for a VERY long time.
They've recouped the losses by now and have easily sold enough to be making profits off of it.
If they hadn't, you'd already be seeing articles made by detractors, like YOU, Lab, poking fun at Nintendo for not having broken out of that no-profit state of affairs and claiming the Wii U is nothing more than a cash drain.
But there aren't articles like that, because it's NOT THE TRUTH.

You need to accept that the Wii U isn't losing Nintendo profits per unit sold anymore.
It doesn't matter how much you hate it anymore, and it doesn't matter how much you poke fun at it for under-selling; it's not a financial burden, it's helping Nintendo make profits, and nothing you say is going to change that.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Phil and Yoshida would like to have a word with you.

[benji101]

Why would you waste money on a ps4 and an xbone when you have a pc.. Your gonna be paying over $500 for internet for those two consoles.. jeez people amaze me.

[marloc_x]

😅

[Ck1x]

Nintendo selling fake consoles since the late 80's confirmed! Lol

[TuxedoMoon]

I think Starfox Zero would've been better if Platinum had FULL control over its development rather than being advisers or assistance to Nintendo. It probably would've been a completely different game, especially if the on-foot sections played out like Vanquish.

[benji101]

It was platinum who wanted to use 2 screens.. or did you not read the story? It was platinum that said.. star fox with 2 screens.
Miyamoto just wanted to make a shooter.

[TuxedoMoon]

Only needed to skim it since the news itself was kinda lack luster. But maybe you need to take your time to read things cause it clearly says -

"With Star Fox, Miyamoto originally had the idea that he wanted to create a shooting game that used both of these screens, and then we said, okay, how can we combine this with Star Fox? Just having to use those two screens makes things interesting."

Miyamoto came up with the idea and Platinum just had to refine it and make it work. He still has full control over what goes with the game, so even if they wanted to ditch the gamepad, they can't because that's the gimmick he wants.

Maybe they're adding some other things to the game to make it more exciting.