Just like what happened when British martial artist Cammy made her Street Fighter V debut, some Japanese gamers are taking issue with what they feel is the extremely unattractive design being used for Karin’s newest appearance.
Whoever the artist is that drew her and cammy sucks! street fighter alpha 3's looked just fine.
Random people speaking on online forums don't speak on behalf of an entire country. The person who wrote this article understands this right ?
Karin looks fine. It's Cammy who needs a facial redesign. Oh and Ken's drug addict face too.
Yeah, more like "creepy Japanese gamers who like women to look like hyper-sexualized minors call her ugly". It's like a Chris Hansen litmus test.
@Shin Actually since the beta started I noticed they fixed cammys bright yellow eyebrows and generally her facial structure is more feminine now. Just look at this alt face http://imgur.com/qd2v5M5 Then Karin now has the same problem as cammy had when she was revealed with bright neon eyebrows, fat lips, and thin face. They fixed cammy so hopefully the reveal model is just temp or something.
@Rachel_Alucard My issue was more the shape of her eyes, but this does look better and the new eyebrows help.
Street Fighter Alpha 3 also has sprites with toon designs in addition to that game taking place when everyone was younger.
Ahhh...the laughable irony of ugly people calling fictional characters ugly. Typical.
Ahhhhh.....the irony of ppl attacking other pp because of their opinion. Seriously!
If you're going to comment on a comment, make sense please.
Many real people are born ugly. That's not their fault. We can't do much about it with current technology. Fictional characters can be made attractive. It is a conscious decision to make a fictional character ugly, and that has to be justified in some way. In a game reflective of the real world, ugly fictional characters make sense. If it is a story point then it makes sense. In a zany fighting game, there is no justification for ugly characters, so both male and females should be made to look easy on the eyes. It is more than logical.
Seems they hate on Western-based females.
Not really , Karin was one of the most in demand characters even in the SF4 days
Seems they hate 3D females
Probably or they just to stuck on anime looking characters and low budgets graphics. She looks good to me they just got issues.
That's interesting because the Western look is so popular with the Japanese. (Western culture in general) That's why you see the typical red or blonde haired girls with the big round eyes in their anime. Many Japanese women have gone to dying their hair blond (ish) to get that look. So, I don't get this one either...unless it's because she doesn't look cutesy enough!?!
Keyword is "some"
If we put "awe" before the "some", we get awesome, and that what she is. I don't who redesign her trunks into full leggings, but it looks great on her.
I was never a big Karen fan , outside of her fighting style , so i dig her SFV look too . Didnt ask for a redesign for Cammy either . Some angles of camera , and the lightning involved , and still shots from scenes in motion (wich the people against those designs obviously noticed quickly) , makes everyone sometimes look bad , not specifically Cammy , Chun Li , or that Ken redesign . Some of it will be about a necessary coat of polish , but that's to be expected .
I thought Cammy looked excellent. She's been my main in the beta so far.
Karin looks fiiiine to me.
Japanese are such racists, calling every European female ugly, sigh.
thats a very childish thing to say
Karin Kanzuki is actually Japanese. She is inspired by European women, though. Obviously.
Um have you seen anime???
Well they are racist to africans, outside of Tokyo from what heard from black people that was over there.
I've never heard of them being racist to them, all I heard was that black people are interesting to them since they don't see them a lot.
I lived in Japan years ago, outside of Tokyo. (and I'm black) What I can say is that it is not purposeful racism. It's a lack of FULL understanding of Western culture and it's no-no's. For example, they had a fried chicken place whose mascot was a black man sucking on a chicken bone in full black face. However, it reminded them of the posters of Louis Armstrong. It was SUPPOSED to be a homage. But, it was just that they didn't understand the offense. They had a pudding called N*gga Chocolate Pudding. Once again, they thought that the word was cool to use because of it's copious use in music and movies. So, what the hell...right? But, they didn't understand that it was actually a word that causes a lot of issues with it's use. In general, they like most things Western (culturally). They are intrigued by black people. They LOVE hip-hop, R&B, and what they understand of the culture. They just lack the nuanced understanding of the do's and don't's. I would call it ignorant in the literal sense of the word. (lacking knowledge or education)
Stop it, your ignorance is showing.
The irony of this comment. "Japanese are such racists".
Knowing the Japs, she is ugly because she doesn't look like a baby doll.
Cammy and Karin look just fine to me
Japanese are weird.
I swear bruh ! XD Japanese like spaghetti-like thin girl with super white marshmallow skin.
I don't really like the art style of the new sfs as a whole
Your agreements and disagreements are in perfect harmony right now, and despite me agreeing with you, I refuse to upset the balance.
Is the Japanese market even relevant anymore for Street Fighter?
In terms of the competitive scene aka esports, sure, but for worthwhile sales numbers? probably not
Sure? If the vgchartz are an indication, only around 14% of the SFIV sales were from Japan with 48% being from the USA and 25% in Europe. And now in 2015/2016 the situation is that the Japanese gamers buy less and less consoles and are all about mobile gaming. Even the PS4 is not a big seller there in comparison to the PS3.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder imo.
That's a fact!
Who be hold'in yo eyes!?!? LOL Seriously it's art, right!?! People see what they see according to their own tastes.
The Japanese also called Miss Japan ugly cause she's black (very pretty blasian woman btw). I don't think they have any taste in women.
This is the first thing I remember when I hear some Japanese people being vocal about characters or people they consider 'ugly'
They're more into anime woman or should I say anime high school girls.
Not like Street fighter had the best Character models to begin with.
That thumbnail really makes her look ugly doe. Just an opinion, dont call me a racist weeaboo pedo now guys.
She looks fine, just a little older...
agree the spoiled rich "kid"feel/look is gone
That's why she look different now that you mention it! She do look older. Never thought of it that way! bubble up.
Lol, as opposed to the typical 'kawaii' look? I prefer this and Cammy's original look 110%. Screw that cute look, they're fightin'.
Is it just me or the visuals look improved every time i look at them
Lol I thought I was the only one, every time Capcom shows a new trailer the graphics looked more polished. By the time this comes out it's going to look amazing.
Her face looks a little life-less but other than that, I think they nailed it in this new art-style of theirs and approach with an updated engine. Must play character? Eh, not so much for me, looks too aikido for my liking lol.
The general Japanese consumers seem to be quite ignorant. They don't buy Western games (unlike us, who buy their games) and they get away with stuff like this. Imagine the backlash if a white American called an Asian character "ugly"
"Ew, she looks like loli trash, damn pedo japanese, no buy" happens all the time. People even bash games before even trying them or waiting for reviews.
They did (Faith from Mirror's Edge). So they redid her face (in Mirror's Edge: Catalyst). The dividing line between what makes for a good face changes between regions and we've seen this on most characters including DOA5's Hitomi and even split-opinion on SFV's Ken. But it's more important in Japan where to overall art quality for main characters is sharper/more defined whereas western videogame characters just look like ordinary people. One thing I'm quite surprised I heard little about was how the Alexandria sister's faces changed a lot between Soul Calibur 2/3 and 4. Which IMO is one of the most dramatic changes I've seen.
That's incredibly silly . Kinda why i pointed out earlier that the negative troll japanese reactions only concerns some people , even if it does exist . Let's put it this way , let's imagine the japanese press lurking around on n4g , twitter or even 4chan , and quote knee jerk reactions from westerners , and then using it in sensationalist articles like "western gamers find japanese game characters ugly" . It's pretty easy , especially with the language barrier . Trolls are already everywhere without making them the norm anywhere
Still doesn't explain why they don't buy western games
We've already seen that some actually do , in increasing numbers for the major franchises . We know that some of the genres we favor lately , like FPS werent always , if ever something they gravitate toward . And it's not as if more than a fringe and niche purchase some of their most japanese centric games . Their worldwide best sellers are pretty universal on a cultural and content level ... Buying a Mario is definitively not the same market as purchasing a visual novel game . PS : Of course there is xenophobia , and lack of open minds involved in some people and on some level . There is no denying that .... but a few tweets about people calling Karin ugly leaping right into that is silly . Especially when it's a type of complaints we heard on our western side as well for Cammy as well
Is there any useful reason why this is even a thing? Seriously.....
It seems the internet is the internet no matter what country you're in.
the whole artstyle for this game just feel wrong is not just the female characters
I don't get their complaints because Alpha 3 was a prequel to SFII and this takes places after II,III, and IV. So of course she doesn't look the same people age. V has to be at least 10 years after alpha so Karin was how old again let's say at the youngest she was 16. She'd be 26+ by now.
Well that is too bad Japan...
I also thought Cammy looked just fine actually. I thought it made her look older to a degree...same with Karin, but it's not like I hated the older designs either. I'm just open to them looking a little different. One thing I actually don't like though. they did something to Chun-Li's face it seems like they gave her makeup and lipstick. Nonsense, if it's not red eyeliner like in Super Street Fighter then get rid of it.
Karin looks like Ken with a dress.
She looks fine to me.
Looks fine to me. I mean she's not drop-dead gorgeous, but she doesn't have to be.
Probably hate her because she hasnt got her tits out and you cant see her panties. The misogynistic, perverted japanese males creep me the hell out.