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Carmack on Consoles interview

Carmack sits down with gametrailers.com expressing his thoughts and concerns with developing rage on ps3 and 360

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pwnsause6175d ago (Edited 6175d ago )

So basically all these games that have been released on the 360 have been basically limited to 7gb per DVD because microsoft takes 2 gbs off to set up the security architecture within the disc. wow. so devs basically have been cutting corners to make all their content fit into the disc.

power of Green 6175d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

From my point of view, corners are being cut so the PS3 can proccess code on the same level as the 360, that is more worrying(to me). The game is already on two disc all they need to do is convince MSFT on the 3rd, I'm more worried about PS3 being the lowest common denominator when it comes to proccessing power.

pwnsause6174d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

PoG, please. the PS3's Cell Prcocessor is stronger than the Xenon. its just more complex to develop for. Here, take this class. http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps...

BulletToothtony6174d ago

the 360 is a great console man.. if the ps3 has some more horse power it's ok.. you don't have to go crazy and make up crap in order to make yourself feel better...

the cell is hard to develop but has more power cause of the spus, bluray has more space.. and the 360 is easier to develop and "most" games so far only need 7gb or less... so what's the problem??

360 owners enjoys games in the 360, ps3 owners in their ps3s... we're all gamers..

Cupid_Viper_36174d ago

"From my point of view, corners are being cut so the PS3 can proccess code on the same level as the 360, that is more WORRYING (to me)."

"I'm more WORRIED about PS3 being the lowest common denominator when it comes to proccessing power"

Let's assume that what you are saying is true....(key word, ASSUME) I've never seen seen a person WORRY so damn much about something that they DON'T OWN.........

here's a little advice........STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE PS3 BUDDY!!!

StayHigh6174d ago

Looks like Sony powerful PS3 is turning out to be the system to get this gen.

pwnsause6174d ago

To the People Disagreeing with me:

JOHN CARMACK stated that microsoft takes 2 Gibabytes off the DVD9 (DUAL LAYED DVD) for security Purposes, leaving the Developer to work with 7 GIGABYTES of DVD space. I did not spin this, he states it in this interview. Think about this really hard. If Microsoft Had a HDD as Standard, this would not be such a problem. Thats why Installs are good.

GUNS N SWORDS6174d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

"360's got the advantage of having easy to develop hardware"

- carkmack.

EDIT- sorry miss interpreted it for a split second.

Atomic6174d ago

once again , this is a proof that the 360 is holding back the development on multi-platform games.
just discontinue the 360 Microsoft ,it's doing more harm than good, and apparently , it's not gonna keep up with the more up to date tech on the PS3.

SL1M DADDY6174d ago

Worried that the PS3 is the lowest common denominator? Yeah, and I'm busy playing great games... On both consoles. Give up the fanboy arguments POG and you might get along with the folks here. Carmack is aware of what it takes to develop on both platforms and knows that both have their issues. Interestingly enough however, he sees that the PS3 was in fact made future proof while the 360 was not. It's the sprint (360) versus the long haul (PS3).

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morganfell6175d ago (Edited 6175d ago )

The greatest day in gaming history was the day John Carmack first walked by a computer and said, "Cool. How does that thing work?"

Carmack was speaking of the fact that MS makes developers give up roughly 2GBs per disk just for security measures.

coolfool6174d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

and yet I am surprised that he is still as closed as he is to the PS3 and what it can offer. It seems that because it is out of his comfort zone of PC or PC-like development he is unwilling to explore it's potential.

I thought a guy of his talent would be the exact opposite. I thought he'd be excited for something new and innovative. I mean lets face it, PC chips aren't going to be the same architecture for ever more, right? So he would have to get used to new hardware sometime. What's wrong with the PS3 being that new hardware?

I am just talking hardware-wise here, he obviously doesn't like MS for other reasons he discusses.

morganfell6174d ago

But he is exploring it's potential. He isn't happy with the architecture but he is working to see what they can get out of it. As he said, "It is what it is." He is a very objective guy.

I have met him a couple of times and yes he is very independent minded yet has the weird ability not to close the door on any possibilities. It may seem like that but you can bet he is busting his ass and at the end of the day will do something really wild with the OS3 architecture. If you notice he doesn't give two craps about the need to make both platforms versions look the same. Neither does Todd Hollenshead.

pwnsause6175d ago

just by listening to this and taking this conversation to another situation, how the hell is square enix going to pull this off with FFXIII on the 360?

DooRentZs6174d ago

Looks like SE is fully supported by MS. No matter how much the disc will be..MS should provide it easily for them.

StayHigh6174d ago

Seem like developers who want their games to be biggest and the baddest will go with the PS3..The system is poweful its just a pain to work with and blu ray give developers the nesssscary space to let their imagination go free..

morganfell6174d ago

Where are the documents detailing the full MS support for Square Enix? You know where they are? No you do not because they do not exist and you are just making things up so 360 owners can sleep better at night.

In reality, the facts say just the opposite to that which you claim. SE currently has no idea how they are going to make FF13 work and they admitted as much. No where did they say, "MS is going to let us use the HDD and they are going to foot the bill for extra disks."

SE is currently in a worse boat than Id because they are just beginning to look at that mountain they have to climb.

jaysquared6174d ago

Hey morganfell dont worry about M$ they always have something up their sleeves.. Just about a month ago you would think I was crazy if I told you that FF13 is coming to the 360 right?

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power of Green 6175d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

HoW will PS3 keep from being left in the dust in the future?.

Dam, so devs basically have been cutting corners to make all their content simular on all platforms by gimping games so that PS3 hardware can run games?.

pwnsause6175d ago (Edited 6175d ago )

PoG take your spins-------------->that way. 7gbs is not enough. games form last Generation like MGS3 and GTA: San Andreas filled up the DVD9 to 7gbs.

morganfell6174d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

You mean the way they gimped GTA4 due to lack of space on the DVD9?

Of course now items that should have been on the disk for $59 now get dropped on 360 owners for an extra price. But then again, you guys like paying for extras like multiplayer and WiFi.

Rob0g0rilla6174d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

These guys wanna put a FPS on 3 discs which is inane. But having it on 3 discs would cost too much money and they have it on 2 discs which could possibly lower the quality of the game overall. I hope Microsoft helps these guys out with this. Sure PS3 version gets a nice long install (7 minutes) but I don't see how that would cost them as much as having another disc or does and having an install doesn't lower the quality of the game. I hope this guy's game is good at least.

faisdotal6174d ago

lol @ pog again

he can never come up with a sane comment.

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Xheratuul6175d ago (Edited 6174d ago )

how do you play a fps shooter with two dvds, do you have to switch disks all the time

pwnsause6175d ago

well its going to happen. i never seen that before, except for RPGs, which is allowable since they are a mixture of Long stories, CGI and of course gameplay.

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Fist4achin2047d ago

I enjoyed the first game. I plan to play the sequel soon!

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Here are Star Wars The Force Unleashed, Crysis 2, RAGE & Resident Evil 2 Remake with Ray Tracing

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traumadisaster2200d ago

I'm still learning how to look for the differences. At first I was focusing on shadows for some reason but I don't think that changes much, is it reflections that change?

rashada072200d ago (Edited 2200d ago )

It is supposed to be simulating how light actually works- so yes if light is reflecting off a surface accurately it should show reflection or an effect that matches what you are looking at in the environment. Next time you play a game look at a puddle of water there may be just a "baked" in texture that if you aren't paying attention seems like it is reflecting but it isn't. I would say though if the light is reflecting more accurately I would think that would give more accurate shadows as well.
I am still not 100% sold on it- it looks okay but I can't get over the hardware price jump for better reflections..

Taz X142200d ago

While games won't look immensely better, it opens up more possibilities overall. Understandably, the price jump is huge. But, that can be said for being at the forefront for any new technology. I'm currently using a 2080ti and while I've played a few games that enable it, the gpu also plays everything else incredibly well so it's not like you're buying this tech for ONLY that option. Enthusiasts will pay top dollar to check out the newest things, but this will eventually become an everyday consumer and by then they'll have optimized and become a lot cheaper.

warriorcase2199d ago

Ray/path tracing can be used how the developer wants it to be. Tracing can be used to calculate shadows/lighting, reflection and even audio, where audio waves are calculated on the bounce off material types to simulate enviroment and echos accuratly.

Should also keep in mind that this ray/path tracing system is different and less accurate option from Nvidias RTX branded type. McFly's is a reshade that layers over the top of the game and therefor the quality will vary drastically. For example you can see nice reflection in the Star Wars demo here but it then introduces colour clipping with the light saber. On a video of GTA 5 for example it was incorrectly projecting a reflection of a red car onto the road which caused a very faint red glow on the ground around the car.

If you want to see a good example of a game developed with ray tracing reflection and lighting in mind then you could look up the youtube video of "Control - Exclusive E3 RTX GAMEPLAY Trailer".

DigitallyAfflicted2200d ago

It supposed to add more realistic light Not actually more light effects and explosions

traumadisaster2200d ago

I hate to say it but I’m fine with fake lights, shadows, reflections. I just kind of like the effect, it’s also great it saves resources for other things.

I’ve been checking out some original Xbox games on x360/x1x and the engine has fake light streaming in through a stained glass window, and I love it even though I know it’s not real time lighting. Heck it even shifts as I move about.

I’ve about convinced my self rt and hdr just doesn’t work for me. Before hdr I would even complain damn why are the headlights killing me they are so bright.

I notice most frame rate, then jaggies, then resolution; with the last two interchangeable depending.

Other day watched an enthusiast rave over 4k and the poor guy was in 1080p. I played the same game the night before and thought wow this is clean, I wonder if it’s 4k, but knew differently and I thought wow even resolution is not always important. The next day he apologized and was surprised he could be fooled.

RaidenBlack2199d ago

EA should have released the Crysis Trilogy Remaster for this gen.

FGHFGHFGH2194d ago

How come the lightsabers don't give off any light? Even in the EA star wars game the guy uses it to light up a dark cave. I guess if it is using frostbite it will support rtx cards.