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Next-gen consoles will "probably not" have physical media says ex-Microsoft exec

Before the current generation of consoles began there were question marks about whether or not physical media would remain as part of the industry. Microsoft had originally planned to ditch the discs and opt for a digital-only approach but had to retract that vision, among others, in order to satisfy demand from gamers who weren't ready to do away with their discs just yet.

Well it looks like gamers have to enjoy their discs while they last because they're likely to be banished for good in the next generation of consoles, if an ex-Microsoft employee is to be believed.

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sammarshall1023569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

They better or they'll be dead in the water when it comes to keeping the industry healthy financially

Yes I have good Internet and play online but what about the billions that don't

Offline play option and online multiplayer for the win

Abash3569d ago

I don't see PlayStation ever doing this, they make too much money from smaller countries and I doubt they would kill the business from them by making a console that required a fast internet because you could only play games by downloading them

ScorpiusX3569d ago

That plus they lose that cut they get from the BDA.

triple_c3569d ago

@Abash

I don't think Sony will do it either. People seem to forget that Sony is actually working on a new optical disc format so I think Sony wants to stay involved with physical media. The PlayStation 5 will most likely have physical media.

Pogmathoin3569d ago

Infrastructure is improving all the time, to be good enough for digital only future in about 5 years, who knows. Discs are a dying breed, there will be improvements in storage, and maybe that storage, like the new micro SD cards with huge capacities will be used, where you could download a game at a kiosk, activate it at home....

_-EDMIX-_3569d ago

@Pog- "Infrastructure is improving all the time, to be good enough for digital only future in about 5 years, who knows"

Nope. Its improving yes....so are game sizes, what happens next gen when we have 300GB games?

That is very much feasible too.

You have to consider that gaming is moving faster then those connection speeds are. Getting 50gbs to download faster later on, doesn't do jack for 300GB games bud lol

Pogmathoin3569d ago

Ed, they way they deliver games may also change..... I can imagine you would be downloading the code you need at the time you need it. I am not sure too that game sizes will have that substantial jump in size too. I am not a fan of digital either, I like my collections, collectors editions and so on..... They would die overnight. Gaming is essentially the last media to make that digital only jump... I am sure it is seriously being looked at, as Sony, MS and Nintendo would have much better control over it, increasing revenue.....

Highlife3569d ago

Why not have options. 50 bucks cheaper without drive.

DevilOgreFish3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

They can keep physical media going, but the lovable long loading times will keep getting worse as more games will need gbs of data to be loaded. Call of duty advance warfare is already long as hell, they put cinemas for you to watch in the meantime.

LexHazard793569d ago

Yeah Sony will use PS5 to introduce new disc so no worries.

BattleAxe3569d ago

If 4k is the standard for next generation, then they will have to have Bluray disc as part of the design for next gen hardware. The file sizes will be too big to make downloading mandatory. Samsung just announced their new 4K Bluray disc player. This is going to be the 'hi-def' craze of 2006 all over again.

RiPPn3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

Sony said this exact thing, that they are a worldwide brand and internet infrastructure isn't where it needs to be in many countries they sell their product in.

No way they ditch physical media especially if they go 100% backward compatibility which I'm certain they will due to the PC like hardware in the PS4, can see them just beefing up the cpu, gpu and memory and slapping a PS5 logo on the box.

Segata3569d ago

PSN is down so much it would not work for Sony anyway.

_-EDMIX-_3569d ago

@Pog- " I am not sure too that game sizes will have that substantial jump in size"

You sure? Gaming history tells you a lot of things.

Jump from PS1 to PS2 was 700mb to 5.5gb, later during PS2's gen we got 8.5GB games.

PS2 to PS3 we went from 5.5GB from start, to ending PS3's gen with 50GB games.... ie MGS4, Uncharted series, Killzone, GT5 and 6 and many other games used massive space.

PS4's...we are staring the gen at 50GB, some games are even MORE then 50GB right now.

Sooooo to say we will start next gen at 300GB is actually tame.

Consider the jump from PS3 to PS4 in which I'm saying 300GB is smaller then the jump from PS2 to PS3.

Mind you...PS4 is using the same format, its only extra space to 3rd party developers and MS, Sony's teams have used this amount of space freely last gen, they might go higher and I don't see games just being smaller this whole gen.

Games generally get larger, not smaller.

GTAV needed an install on 360, MS opened up the DVD cap from 7.5GB to 8.5GB etc.

Is MGSV not on last gen? Yet look at its MASSIVE size, it needed an install on 360, imagine what that series would require at FULL CURRENT GEN?

Consider it could run 1080p 60fps on current gen, meaning its not even that demanding on the hardware, what happens when its fully current gen only?

You haven't even seen slightly what that game is capable of 100% current gen.

I figure GTAVI will be at least 2 to 3x the size in space as GTAV was. Not sure you get how much space games take up. We are just talking about this gen too lol

XBLSkull3569d ago

Time for the digital age, get with the program people, it's the way I've gone for the last few years and it is glorious.

Dee_913569d ago

Unless high speed unlimited data becomes a global norm, I don't see this happening.

XanderZane3569d ago

Well, Microsoft would be smart to not announce their next game console first this time around. The best thing for them to do is be the last company to announce everything next gen. Companies will save a bundle of money if their games are 100% digital. That's why they are in a rush to do this. I like having a disc. Not paying $60 for a digital game.

FarEastOrient3569d ago

Comcast and their 300GB datacap and other ISP should make Microsoft think otherwise. Customers will not pay an extra $10 or more to the ISP just to download games beyond their data allowance.

muzikjunkie803569d ago

FarEastOrient

im on unlimited broadband i can download, stream and browse every month for a set price and dont have to worry about going over the limit... people need to realize that technology moves forward and discs will one day be old tech just like vhs, cds, dvds, minidisc, dat and records were phased out for netflix, spotify etc. most of my games are digital on xbox one and ps4 for 2 reasons, i dont have to swap discs everytime i want to play something else and i can get games there and then from ps store and xbox store and sometimes for a discounted price of cd keys etc, also take into account pc gamers have been going discless since steam became the primary platform on pc.

BeefCurtains3569d ago

One thing for sure, if sony is keeping physical media, Microsoft will have to follow. MS can't afford another console war whooping from sony, they can't be back tracking so hard next gen.

indyman77773568d ago (Edited 3568d ago )

WARNING extreme sarcasm proceed with caution:
WITHOUT A DISC LESS SYSTEM...HOW WILL MICROSOFT:

How will Microsoft be able to keep us from lending our games no more than 10 times?.....(whisper DRM...oh)

How will Microsoft be able to stop people from selling or trading in their used games?

How will Microsoft kill the mom and pop stores?

How will Microsoft be able NUKE the used games industry?

But how else is Microsoft going to be able to Micromanage us? (whisper, whisper SOME with DRM....OH)

How else will Microsoft keep prices fixed?

How else will Microsoft be able to force us from xbox two, to xbox three in an instant by turning off the servers to xbox two?

How will Microsoft create a new hard drive upgrade market/requirement by making game downloads so big we have to download even larger downloads that stay on the disk?

How will Microsoft take away ALL your ownership rights!

How will Microsoft make it impossible to take a game back because it is just not working/freezing? And everyone knows it?

Oh I have a legit one, how will Microsoft be able to finally stop people from breaking street dates!

How will Micorsoft make no need for retail stores, no best buy, Walmart, game-stop, or even steam-powered.

Don't you people see this is good for you?

extermin8or3568d ago

@triplec Sony actually have a new optical disc format-archival disc.

Dee_913568d ago (Edited 3568d ago )

@muzikjunkie80
Who is your ISP and what is your monthly bill. I don't care about why you like disc-less, you haven't explained how discless is more viable, and "teh future" is not a valid reason.. unless of course you have a magic 8 ball telling you these things..

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maybelovehate3569d ago

I wonder how much sales of games go to regions that do not have good online? Would it be enough to offset the costs of packaging, shipping, paying the middle man? I would imagine it is getting to the point where it just isn't worth the hassle from a money standpoint.

Although that does suck for the gamers stuck in that situation. But not as bad as having bad internet probably.

indyman77773568d ago

Don't forget when the current generation launched the digital copies cost the same or 10 more than the physical copies!

The companies have not passed on savings when they don't have us by the throat(now), I hope we are not gullible enough to think they will drop prices once we have no choice!

Okay that would be beyond gullible that would be supper stupid for us to think that.

mrdxpr23569d ago

I myself don't have internet as I can't afford the price in my area. So I play offline so physical media in my case is required.

cfc833569d ago

Don't they do package deals where you live tv/phone/broadband ?

FarEastOrient3569d ago

I'm in the same situation. Each year I spend time outside the United States due to work, going all digital will cost more than carrying a few disc.

chrisx3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

I'm not suprised that its an ex-microsoft dev that would say such talk,what's wrong with them there? Physical media will always have its place in console gaming for the foreseeable future.they tried some of this with x1 original plans,well we know the rest

Multiplatguy3569d ago

While I don't want physical games to go anywhere for the foreseeable future, I think it's worth pointing out that when Steam first launched, people hated it and said the exact same thing you did about physical media going nowhere.

Now people love it and I can't remember the last time I seen a PC game in physical form. Metal Gears disc comes with a steam installer.

Hopefully it's many generations away but it seems Microsoft is looking into making Xbox a service and Playstation have already made investments into streaming devices.

indyman77773568d ago

@multiplatguy, you have a point. But your comparing apples to oranges. Steam is not in control of the games like a console maker would be. So steam has NATURAL competition! Steam because of this natural competition had to drop prices. The console owner will have an monopoly and can set prices permantly like they want. Instead of just halo staying at the set prices EVERY GAME can be set at a price and can legally be even increase if the game turns out to be popular. Called minimum Manufacturer price. It is not legally considered price fixing. They is why UN65JS9000 is 3499.99 just like it was months ago when I bought it. (scam alert east coast tv look it up on avsforum). People will not be happy with every game costing 59.99 without a single drop in price.

Many people are forgetting that when the current gen launched especially in europe that the digital downloads in many cases cost MORE to area's where the was less stores! Because they could take advantage of people. Dont assume it will not happen once you have no CHOICE but to buy digital. There will be no competition! each console will be an monopoly!

_-EDMIX-_3569d ago

lol agreed. They legit should just stop trying to push it as its clear gamers don't want that junk.

Digital is nice.....as an option, doesn't mean I want to go 100% digital.

madjedi3568d ago

I am almost entirely digital on pc it is extremely convenient, however it is not always practical for many other individuals.

So for consoles some form of physical media is needed if you want to reach a worldwide consumer base.

The largest pc game to my knowledge is 50 gigs with maybe another 10-15 gigs for the dlc.

Pc games already use really high resolution textures compared to the consoles, so where did 300 gigs come from.

I'll grsnt you 75-100 gigs by the end of the generation, but 300 gigs sounds like absolute nonsense.

I seriously doubt we will see another type of disc used for games after this gen, they will likely use something similar to vita game cartridges.

Mithan3569d ago

No they wont and online digital sales show this to be the fact.

nucky643569d ago

agreed. no physical disc and a I'm through with gaming.

Professor_K3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

SD cards>>>>BR disc

thats probably what they will be going for next gen

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Haru3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

This is to be expected from a company like Microsoft, after all they're they one who wanted to force online only drm on us but thank god Sony was there to save the day if it wasn't for Sony I probably wouldn't even game anymore, I don't know about Microsoft's next console but I am sure PS5 will have some sort of psychial drive

blackblades3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

I like both, but yeah physical isn't going anywhere for while. Then again look at it now most people are actually going digital movies, games, music. My movies and and music are digital and my games are half digital. Ps4 they both takes up the same out of space, the physical ends copying itself to the system making it why even bother having physical. So it's a matter of time until it happen maybe not next gen but one day in the future.

3-4-53569d ago

* Whichever of the 3 ( Nintendo,Sony,Microsoft) releases physical copies of games has a huge advantage.

I think we will get some kind of cartridge reader options / attachments for the consoles.

Version with and version without, so some can choose to go all digital, and then everyone is happy.

* Phyiscal copies then become more valuable and retain their value a bit longer.

meganick3569d ago

Agreed. Physical media is what distinguishes console gaming from PC gaming. It's a MAJOR part of what makes a console a true console. I game strictly on consoles and would never buy a console with no physical media. I'm sure there are millions of other gamers who wouldn't either.

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Many can go on about it all day, but the reality is, XONE's launch and the comments on this page show that gamers don't want digital only, they want both options like we have today.

So anyone's guess as to how this will turn out for MS, look at this page, count how many are against it. Times that by a whole lot and you get a bigger picture into what gaming wants and doesn't want.

Our methods are fine, our options are fine. I don't get why limiting an option would be a good thing for any consumer.

I can see it being a good thing for MS though...

Gamers will fight for their rights, we have a right to demand a physical option for a system or give it the boot.

See how quickly P.T got removed? See those Call Of Duty prices up on Steam?

Is that the future folks want for gaming? Publishers ok those Steam sales, some do, some don't. Consider when they no longer have boxed options or console versions to compete with....they will continue to not support those sales.

http://store.steampowered.c...

Launched on PS4 and XONE folks and they don't want to drop the price...

http://www.amazon.com/Call-...

Yet you could buy the very same boxed version for $15...

Yet you could buy it used for $8

http://www.amazon.com/Call-...

Know why? They are physical things, they can lower in value, digital...they can sit there and keep it what ever price they feel just.

Mind you...they are keeping it that price even with a physical version on PC, what happens when digital is the ONLY METHOD? If they won't do it with more options, what makes gamers think they will do it with less?

muzikjunkie803569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

there are options btw, you are not forced to pay the prices on steam, xbox or ps store. there are sites like cd keys etc that sell codes for games for really cheap depending on what game you are looking for... i bought ryse for xbox one and on the store they are still asking £45+ and i bought it online from one of those sites for £12.

shop around wisely and you wont have to pay over the odds for games.

UKmilitia3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

i can see it going back to flash,but not going full download.
if it does it will be a lost generation of gaming almost.

some providors have stupid limits of so many gigs a month.
Luckily in UK virgin media are pushing speeds because there soon to do a free speed boost.

50Mb to 100
100Mb to 152
152Mb to 200 or 300

yet from BT/sky in my area i can get 5Mb and thats up and down lol.
thank god i can get my virgin fibre

WowSoChill3569d ago

If we want the industry healthy, they cant be holding on to physical media for the next 2 decades, that is insane

look at phones, look at music, physical media is out

TheSaint3568d ago

Well as MS themselves said "buy a 360" lol.

ElVeneno3568d ago

Billions?!? What about the gallilions, no one ever thinks of them.

Inzo3568d ago

The sad thing is that companies like EA didnt learn their lesson with SimCity.

People tend to forget that the power is with the gamers, so this guy can say there wont be physical media all he wants and MS can push for it all they want, they will be sitting with the same problem they had with the Xbone. going completely digital is idiotic, at least for now. As for Sony, they wont get rid of the Bluray so easily.

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masterfox3569d ago

it all depends of how much high-bandwidth Internet has been established around the world, right now people connected to the internet is not even 50 % around the globe, in that 50 % cut a huge chunk of it of people that have horrible internet connection I'm talking about 2 Mb connections and a bit more.

freshslicepizza3569d ago

that is not the way they see their market. their market consists of buying habits who are already showing they are connected online. so to simply say there is an untapped market they are forgetting for next gen is a myth, that market even today is already in ample supply. it's just that many prefer physical disk games, it's not that we can't access digital copies.

Bhuahahaha3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

not to mention next gen games will always be bigger than the previous one (we're seeing 30-50gb now imagine next gen most likely will hit 50-100) then we have the disk space on drive to think about also

_-EDMIX-_3569d ago

Funny thing, I don't even agree with that, I see use ending this gen at 100GBs if not more, I see us starting next gen at 300GB maybe more.

That isn't even a huge jump if you consider NES vs PS1 or PS1 vs PS2, or even PS2 vs PS3.

KurtRussell3569d ago

Fast enough. Click download, go to sleep, wake up, play.

Segata3569d ago

Mine is 7 while not 2 it's pretty pitiful but all I can afford

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Mikelarry3569d ago

So as long as

1) they offer something like the steam refund policy
2) digital games are cheaper
3) they provide more storage and the ability to increase said storage myself not proprietary crap
4) i am able to play the games i have purchased offline with no need to connect online to play them

After the above then i might consider digital only as my choice

Activemessiah3569d ago

Digital games will never be cheap for several reasons... primarily greed.

_-EDMIX-_3569d ago

@Irish- LOL! Yes and that is from the publisher right? Thats their site?

I mean...you do get if they go 100% digital they won't have those fancy CD codes for just that reason right bud?

mkis0073569d ago

As long as console makers need to sell consoles, retailers will always have the upper hand in software sale prices.

uth113569d ago

game sizes are growing faster than internet bandwidth sizes are. Downloading the larger games isn't practical for many, unless they wait hours or even days for it to finish.

maybelovehate3569d ago

It depends. Most of the games on all consoles are actually quite small, but that is because the majority of games are indie titles that do not have the money to make large games.

You do still have blockbuster games that could be as big as 60GB though. But if you know you are getting the game, they have pre-download options on consoles now so you can download the games multiple days ahead of launch to solve this issue.

But I do agree, size and bandwidth do make the consoles transition much trickier than Mobile. But it isn't a new issue, it is one Steam has been dealing with for quite some time already.

DrJones3569d ago

Wow. Look at all your disagrees.

Emme3568d ago

See, there are actually people with a life and jobs and family out there, who could in theory start the download in the morning, and when they get back home, the game is there ! Sounds crazy, right ?

MRMagoo1233568d ago

Or the same people pick up the game on the way home and put it into the console and play it right away.

uth113568d ago

or then the people who are at home when I'm at work are mad because the internet is too slow to use because the console is spending all day downloading a game

Emme3566d ago

Or maybe those people who realise that the retail game needs mandatory install and day one patch.

maybelovehate3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

I have been digital only for quite a long time now. If you are lazy it is the only way to go haha. But in seriousness, my understanding is that digital sales are surpassing physical by a large margin this generation so it seems this decision is being made by the gamers.

@Volkama: maybe where both are available, but even that trend is changing pretty quickly, as the numbers from GTAV are showing in the latest quarters. The majority of the library for PS4 and X1 is digital only already. And DLC is pretty much exclusively digital only.

Another big reason Digital Sales are dominating is that the exclusive deals for being a subscriber are aimed at digital buyers.

Volkama3569d ago

Physical still outsells digital by a large margin where both are available.

It's only PC gaming and digital only platforms (like phones) where digital dominates.

WellyUK3569d ago

That's only because the Digital versions on consoles are insanely over priced. If they were the same or lower then Digital would take over.

rainslacker3569d ago (Edited 3569d ago )

Digital sales make up about half the game sales revenue when you look at reports, but those numbers aren't really reliable because those numbers use all digital sales from mobile which is a market all in itself. It also includes all DLC and MT on consoles, and all PC sales from Steam and others. Nowhere is it reported what the actual physical vs digital sales are for base console games where the option is available for both.

This paints a picture of consumer mass acceptance that the publishers tout as a means to try to convince the holdouts who prefer physical that it's cool to be all digital, so hopefully they will convert. It's a long process to change the market, and publishers know this, but on occasion some of them try to push it too far.

Realistically, if these publishers, or digital distribution channels took a look at why some people hold out and stick with physical(beyond the bandwidth issues), and addressed those, then maybe they could gain more acceptance. But by doing away with some of those things, they are going against their own interest of controlling the market and doing away with used sales.

A few years back I saw some of these reports which paint a much more accurate picture through one of my employers, and I can say that the mix of physical vs. digital is very much in favor of physical. There is a sizable market for digital though. For the most part, there isn't enough market for a AAA game to be digital only on consoles, which is why the ones that get released in this way often get a physical version at some point.

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In 2002 Microsoft Knew Xbox 360 Was Launching During 2005

The PS4 and Xbox One’s console cycle has been well-documented over the first two and a half years of its life-cycle, but when you take a look back at the PS3 and Xbox 360’s beginning, t…

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Lsbb3237d ago

Well of course they knew. That's what you call a business plan

corroios3237d ago

They were very smart with the 360 and got the marketshare, but lost their ways with the one

PhoenixUp3237d ago (Edited 3237d ago )

Yet the Xbox 360 launch still felt rushed, what with it's high failure rates and other various hardware malfunctions like disc scratching.

You don't plan so far in advance when you will release a product and have it still be so extremely faulty around release that it costs your company more than a billion dollars to fix.

andrewsquall3237d ago

Don't forget that the XboneS is replacing the current Xbone after less than 2 years, and it isn't even THAT necessary.
To compare with something that is absolutely necessary, the original abysmal 360 launch model was on the market for almost FIVE YEARS before it was remodeled AND the disc scratching was never fixed on the console to date. Even the last "Stingray" super slim console still had the Windows 95 era CDROM like disc loading tray that can easily scratch your games if you sneeze in the same room as it.

But yeah, these guys planned the 1.15 billion dollar repair plan for their next console in 2002 lol.

SynestheticRoar3237d ago

They knew about the RROD, to and tried to play dumb.

ApocalypseShadow3237d ago (Edited 3237d ago )

And that is why I ultimately decided not to buy a 360 after buying and still owning to this day the OG Xbox. While being a manager at Game Crazy, I saw first hand as customers brought their systems back in because they died when we launched it. But Game Crazy moved quickly to have customers send their system to Microsoft that alleviated our returns. But, you could tell the lawsuits were coming soon for them or recalls.
http://spong.com/article/13...
https://www.engadget.com/20...

They had to have known through testing before console release that there was a failure rate higher than the industry standard but put it out there anyway. They most likely felt burned by Nvidia's pricing on the first Xbox. So, decided to manufacture themselves and was not experienced in chip design as they thought they were. Plus, wanted to get that jump on Sony and rushed to market leading to failure. They probably thought if 3-4 died out of 10, they were still ahead by 6 or 7 and could manage the rest.

But when you extend a warranty from the usual 90 days to 1 year to 3 years, you know the problem was endemic. But when the company stayed silent on it, I knew that they were no longer getting my support even after starting pay to play online on the OG.

Them knowing they were launching during 2005 don't help their image much. I'll give them credit now for Xbox one working properly. But it's too little too late for me. I still enjoyed playing 360 at work on the demo units then, but I wasn't buying any systems from them.

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Warning! I got pornsite popunder when i clicked on link.

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Former Xbox Boss Talks Divisions of Gaming, Plus Xbox One and PS4’s Success

Video games have become one of the biggest industries in the world, with so many different divisions of gaming having grown over the past decade.

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Microsoft Learned Lessons With Xbox One That They Already Learned Before, Admits Bach

Gaming consoles do not come along everyday, and so when a company takes a crack at doing so, there are often times a lot of lessons to be learned. Sony learned them in the past with PS3 and with the Xbox One, Microsoft did the same.

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iceman063238d ago

Seems like an odd title. (at least to me) If you truly learned before, and you repeat the same mistakes, what did you learn the first time? Maybe they finally learned from mistakes that they made before???
After reading, it seems that Bach is saying that he had HOPED that they learned from lessons in the past and couldn't see (while imbedded in the heat of everything) that they hadn't. Kind of a hindsight being 20/20 situation.
Either way, MS has come a long way from the console that was initially pitched. I can respect that.