How Until Dawn succeeded where The Order:1886 failed

Fail a QTE in Until Dawn? You might die. Fail a QTE in The Order? You’ll just do it again.

[Thatguy-310]

The way the games were marketed from the moment they're announced plays a big part in expectations. Leading up to release The order previews were empty and basically felt like the developers were hiding something. When Until Dawn was announced they told us from the get go the type of game we were going to play. The Order 1886 was a good game for what it is but Until Dawn is miles better. The story, the characters were so well crafted and pushed it's story telling forward. For example, I freaking hated Emily through out the game but as soon as I got a chance to control her I some how started rooting for her during the events that take place in her play through. The Order is a new IP so I do hope that they hit it out of the park with the sequel.

[OhMyGandhi]

I felt the same way with Drake, er, Mike. He seemed to be the cocky sleaze who took nothing seriously, and then he quickly became my favorite character.

[Thatguy-310]

Exactly lol guess since he was one of the characters that we controlled the most. Plus he was basically the hero type that you usually root for in these types of movies.

[HammerKong]

Order was not good it was bad in every way from its gameplay to its story leaving its graphics thats all,qte was not that big problem for me but at the same time order was made in keeping the mind that it will be a tps with very litle qte for a mix but in the end it turned out to be a more qte than shooting yeah bht i personaly agrees with your point of until dawm so far i've played that game just for 4 hours but game is reqly interesting and is having a great feel to yeah at the same time it is having it lows but allower the game is amazing i think sony should do more advertising of this game!

[ArchangelMike]

Dude, you need to take your time to read through you comment and edit it if necessary. Hint - use punctuations, and your comment will be more understandable.

I love Until Dawn and would probably recommend it more than The Order. It's a smaller budget and so probably will get less marketing. But I hope word of mouth is enough to push the game - especially come haloween time.

[jb227]

If you are suggesting that The Order had more qte segments than actual shooting then I don't think we played the same game. Even most of the negative reviews praised the shooting mechanics, and while there may be a plethora of cutscenes and a fair bit of wandering around, the shooting far outweighed any qte sections.

[FallenAngel1984]

The Order: 1886 succeeded its goal by dramatically increasing PS4 sales in February. Let's see if Until Dawn can accomplish the same feat in August for PS4.

[Me-Time]

I don't think it will. If MGS was PS4 exclusive, then yes to that. But until dawn is way out there for casuals to get into and it's not a console seller. It's an exclusive, but replayability isn't what something like Destiny did for PS4 sales.

[mkis007]

It seems like word of mouth may help Until Dawn. It is kind of the ultimate party game.

[uth11]

I think Until Dawn is just the type of Game casuals would love

[Me-Time]

It's not the type of game that most people (casuals) would consider a game. It's an interactive movie isn't it? I want it. But that isn't the point.

[crazychris4124]

Am I missing something with this article?? It just ends abruptly, no final thoughts. Wouldnt call The Order a failure. It sold over a million copies which is pretty good for a new IP exclusive. The devs know where they could improve the game if they got the green light for a sequel. Whenever I get my PS4 Im gonna pick this game up cheap and see for myself. But from what Ive seen and read they should open up the levels a little more, give you choices, multiple endings, more cool weapons, more monsters, bigger battles, and an arcade challenge mode (almost all single player games do it these days)

[BitbyDeath]

The Order is a shooter and Until Dawn is survival horror. The Order didn't fail just the pew pew genre is getting tired compared to the Horror genre.

[Rimeskeem]

My only real complaint about The Order was that it was kind of 1 and done thing (unless you didnt get the plat first round or what not)

[OhMyGandhi]

Funny that both genres have been around for ages, and yet it's the survival horror game, based entirely on genre tropes that proves to be the more unique, more interesting game.

[trouble_bubble]

Critically speaking, the Order scored lower than expected. But a million sold in 6 months means peeps didnt care and bought it anyways. Until Dawn might be the better game, but time will tell if it sells as well.

[ArchangelMike]

I realoy hope Until Dawn sells well. My expectations were low going in, but it completely blew me away. It deserves a shot.

[Imortus_san]

When the The Order was release there were no major games at sale at that time, this month and next two months are killers, so if Until Dawn moves the same number os copies, it means the game sold better.

[Mark7]

Hmmmmm.....

[SoapShoes]

I thoroughly enjoyed Until Dawn and The Order sooo......

[AstroCyborg]

having a game longer then 5 hours helps since it actually has replay value unlike the order

[Spotie]

... a lengthy campaign doesn't equal more replay value. Keyword: REPLAY.

How do you..?

[lastking95]

You're comparing two different game genres. The fact the Order is being compared to until dawn shows why it failed. That like comparing gears to the walking dead, that's when you know something's wrong. The order lacked action and was short, a shooter must be heavy on action if it wants to succeed. until dawn is an interactive game, pick a decision and watch it play out.

[WitWolfy]

Still planning on getting The Order pre played though... I really expected it to be a co-op Gears of War clone of sorts... Too bad it wasn't...

[Spotie]

Why the hell were you expecting that?

[WitWolfy]

Call me crazy but then I have something thats actually co-op and can play with friends... Fudge me, right?

[Spotie]

That IS crazy.

What kind of person expects things from a game that you're not told to expect, and is then disappointed when it isn't?

We knew early on that there would be no co-op. We knew that it would not be a Gears clone(and if it had, you and many others likely would have complained about that). I don't see what sense it makes to have expected those things after we knew they were not coming, and then to decry the game for the lack of things it was never meant to have.

I won't call you any names, because there are quite a few people who would LOVE to have a reason to bubble me down. But I WILL say that thought process is a senseless one, to say the least.

[gangsta_red]

But in a past article you expressed your disappointment that Titanfall didn't have large battles! Even though you were told it wouldn't.
So when is it okay to express disappointment?

Just because something isn't in a game doesn't mean we shouldn't be disappointed? People would have loved to have played a game with a friend through co-op. I can see if people were asking for something that was out of this world and not tangible but co-op is pretty mild especially for a third person action shooter that despite what you may think had very many similar gameplay to Gears.

I think your thought process is just as senseless if you actually believe that people shouldn't be disappointed in anything just because a dev or anyone else tells you not to be.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I love The Order and I'm sure Until Dawn once I get it as well :3

[SynestheticRoar]

Wow. The incredible amount of hate the order receive is uncomprensible to me. I still enjoyed it.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Hell yes, one of my top favorites this year :3

[WitWolfy]

IKR? It cant be that bad, can it?

[Imortus_san]

Weak story, 37% of black screen, enemies to dumb, not many diferent enemies, no upgrades, no online, useless qts, that lockpick scenes were boring, the slums grafics made the enemies that were faraway dificukt to destinguish from the cenario, vertical shoting was terrible.

It's an OK game, nothing else, so when expecting a AAA game and having receive that, many (including me) just locked away any chance of ever saing any good things about the game.

[DafunkyRebel]

Until Dawn was literally my first Platinum trophy

[nix]

I bought Order in spite of the media reviews because i knew what kind of the game it was. did i enjoy it? yes and i want to see the part 2. did i enjoy Heavenly Sword? Yes.. and i would like to see part 2 of that game too.

did i buy Until Dawn in spite of a good user reviews? no.. not yet. but i will. someday.

Order failed in the eyes of the media who were hyping it so much.. ironically. gamers knew what the game was about and if the media were expecting something else in spite of the head dev saying it's got a narrative gameplay.. then wow.

no one was expecting Until Dawn to be something else other than a teen horror game... and nobody got disappointed. if one can measure up what the game is about you don't have to depend on media or their reviews.

in my view, everyone knew what each game was going to be like... media decided to sham Order for being what it was.. media decided to hurray UD for what it is.

double standards. simple.

EDIT: also i felt that the media was just hell bent on hating Order the minute it came out. and let's not forget Driveclub.

[uth11]

Fortunately Drive Club managed to redeem itself. Its Other problem was it released a week after Forza Horizon and kept getting unfairly compared to that.