PS Consoles Generate More Revenue Than Microsoft And Nintendo Consoles Combined, Double Since 2012

Sony’s PlayStation 4 has had an excellent start with more than 25.3 million units sold in as of June 30th 2015. This is estimated to be more than Microsoft’s Xbox One and Nintendo’s Wii U combined sell in totals which gives Sony’s console more than 50% market share this gen. This is something that the PlayStation 3 was not able to achieve.

[sammarshall102]

It's too bad Sony isn't in a better financial situation though with all of their success with sales in the video game space

[Letthewookiewin]

Still with this? Sony is fine. Oh and destroying the competition I might add.

[scientificreasoning]

@SAM.....you need to do some research bro.

http://time.com/3892591/son...

Sony has posted profit 4 of the last 5 quarters..only the mobile division is struggling.

[n4rc]

they have righted the ship.. but still have a way to go before they are out of the hole they were in.

stock was downgraded to junk status last year, do not believe that has changed yet.

edit... i stand correct on the junk status, apparently that was lifted 2 months ago

[lvl_headed_gmr]

Sony has said "Expect less AAA games from them because cost is getting too high". Does this sound like a company who is financially empowered? I don't think so.

Sony as a company have been losing money for years. They even had to cease paying dividends to their share holders because they couldn't afford it.

Why people still think Sony is not in a financial concern simply because 1 division is doing well is beyond rational.

[remixx116]

A couple links to go with those statement gmr?

[FATHASUN]

@level

That quote was strictly referring to the PSVita.

[scientificreasoning]

I like how you keep spewing this which is no longer true...sony had 600 million profit last quarter and all divisions except one are now profitable. S@P are now putting them back on the invest list.

[sammarshall102]

Sony is expected to lose $700,000,000 just from its mobile division in 2015

[TwoForce]

@sammarshall102 But did it happen ? No, it didn't. You need to understand what loss and increase. Sony Mobile doing fine. I remember when Sony did loss some their assets. It was not easy for them to do it. But it was needed to make sure Sony to be stable. Too much then you will lose or too empty then you will lose too. For example, My father did layoff some employees to make sure his company stable, it wasn't easy for him to do it. My father company are small, not that big. Even Sony is big, but not that big like Microsoft. PS3 outsold Xbox 360 sale because it was us Playstation fans who want Sony to success their career and they did.

[GamerGT]

What sucks is i have the Sony Xperia Z3. And it's been the most reliable phone I've ever had. More than the Motorola before it and the Samsung before that. No having to restart. I Can Sync it to my DS4 and Remote Play with it. When 2017. Comes by and it's time for the upgrade is going to be hard to give up.

[triple_c]

Just wanna let you know that Sony is not in as much financial trouble as they were in last gen. They've actually been profiting off of their music, insurance, camera, image sensor and of course their PlayStation divisions. Now the PlayStation division is the main division that makes them money but it isn't the only division that makes money for them which is a misconception that a lot of people have. Sony also has over $100 billion in assets that they can fall back on and they are still worth about $30 billion. Lastly, if push comes to shove, Sony can just get rid of every division that's losing them money like they're mobile division and rely on the divisions that are making them money.

Sony will be fine especially now that they're back in the black and on the road to recovery. Sony isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

You people that keep on saying Sony is broke or keep on bringing up Sony's financials need to get a new shtick already. The whole "Sony is broke" thing has been beaten to death. Please get some new material..

[joeorc]

"Now the PlayStation division is the main division that makes them money but it isn't the only division that makes money for them which is a misconception that a lot of people have. Sony also has over $100 billion in assets that they can fall back on and they are still worth about $30 billion"

Want to know something that is ironic, its the 5th largest generator of Profit for Sony! Playstation is not even the largest, but think about that even being 5th its going to generate multiple millions/ sales Quarters in profits for Sony!

Great post by the way.

[stuna1]

Finally someone with facts! I guess since Sony don't have money to waste on wiping their az* , like some company I won't mention. That automatically means they're in financial trouble!? SMH.

[johndoe11211]

Whoa Whoa Whoa there buddy. Where exactly are you getting those facts from? As far as I've been told the ps4 division is paying for the operation of every other division that sony's got. If it weren't for ps4 Sony would be bankrupt. I'm sorry, but I would quicker believe the rantings of anonymous online trolls with agendas over your sound and easily verifiable facts any day.

[Spotie]

It's too bad some of you still resort to that tired- and untrue- axiom when you've got no other recourse.

[joeorc]

100% exactly

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2...

From 2 years ago , now look at Sony!

Just recently:

Zacks Research currently has a stock rating of 1 on the equity. This is the consensus mean from the analysts who have issued ratings on the stock within the past year. This number is calculated using a simple 1-5 scale where 1 represents a Strong Buy rating and 5 represents a Strong Sell rating. In other words, the lower the score, the better from an analyst perspective

Sony is rated by Zack's as a 1 = buy because Sony's Stock is expected to climb as high as over $40.00+ per share at the end of Oct. Min $32.00+, right now Sony's Stock is listed is over $25.00 a share!

http://theenterpriseleader....

Note:
According to Zacks, Sony Corp Ord has a consensus rating of 1. The number is based on a simplified 1-5 scale where analysts giving a Strong Buy rating would be given a 1 and those giving a Sell rating would be given a 5. This is the consensus number of all tracked analysts who have published ratings on the stock.

http://www.zacks.com/commen...

@sammarshall102 + 26m ago
Sony will never be able to catch Microsoft financially though

We're talking a cap difference of more than $200,000,000,000 here

And?

Sony does not have to catch Up with Microsoft's coffers, would it be nice to, yeah..its is attainabl any time in the next 100 years doubtful.

But here is the thing, Sony's playstation section of the company is a wholly owned subsidiary, unlike Microsoft's Xbox is set up as a divisional part of Microsoft's company both have made a section within their companies to make money for their company.bthe big problem for Microsoft's is Xbox does not bring into Microsoft as much Money to Microsoft as does Playstation does for Sony.

If you take Xbox as a section for itself and make it a subsidiary of Microsoft it could operate on it own but its no where near big vs Nintendo and Sony's playstation. And Microsoft's Xbox does not have unlimited money of that 200+ billion that would go to Xbox division, as a matter of fact the Xbox division lost over 1.6 billion for Microsoft alone with the xbox360 fault failure of its passive heat setup failing on the 1st 11 million xbox360's launched on release due to warranty's differed funds set aside for replacements.

Unlike Microsoft's set up for Xbox Sony's set up for playstation is already set to spun off on its own by default.

Its a held assets by Sony's corpus itself, but the stock for playstation is not in public offering. so its already ran on a limited budget by default. Based on its a seperate ran companies any way.

So the fact is Microsoft's Xbox while being a divisional section for the company allows Xbox section to gain further funding faster and has a core ton of cash that is or can be forked over, the main problem is its a division! So the fact is it may not get as much cash as we would like for Microsoft to pump into Xbox, and that's just the blunt truth.

Sony's PlayStation out of its profits gives its parent company "Sony" money but also has claim to operated funds its generating because its , a subsidiary corpus by it self not a division of Sony!

[uth11]

Ironically Sony is now turning a profit and Microsoft just reported a record-breaking loss

[sammarshall102]

Sony will never be able to catch Microsoft financially though

We're talking a cap difference of more than $200,000,000,000 here

[triple_c]

@sammarshall102

And yet with all that money, Microsoft still can't seem to beat Sony in the gaming market. What does that say about Microsoft?

[uth11]

But gaming is such a tiny part of Microsoft, very little of the companies market cap is due to gaming

[kenshiro100]

sammar drinking from that bottle again. Citing numbers with no proof doesn't help your case. Sony has been profitable since restructuring. How are they still in business if they're losing THIS much money as you claim?

[timlot]

You know it was the $7Billion Nokia write-off. Take that out and they still had about a $6Billion profit for the quarter. Xbox is a side project for Microsoft. If it does well, great. If not they just throw money at the problem until it turns around. Sony was crash as a company if Playstation failed.

[S2Killinit]

Just for the record Sony is back in black (meaning profitable). They dropped the markets that were unprofitable and have entered new markets which could yeild better future.

Specifically Sony have entered the streaming markets in a big way with Playstation Vue (and PSNow). Playstation Vue is a sort of internet TV streaming that competes with cable tv (its actually pretty cool by the way) the service merges the accessibility of netflix with live tv, and a powerful search and customization engine (unlike anything else available). It records like a DVR, and streams like Netflix, live tv. Meaning you can watch the newest seasons as if its on netflix. My only issue with the service is that as of yet they dont have a deal with ESPN, all other channels are available, and more are on the way. (Personally im very happy with it).

With the Vue, Sony are stepping on a lot of toes (cable and telecommunications companies), big toes, but if the service takes off, it can prove very VERY lucrative.

[ColonelHugh]

@lvl_headed_gmr

PlayStation is a subsidiary, not a division like Xbox. Sony's finances have less impact on PlayStation than if it was a division. PlayStation is it's own business essentially.

Edit: wth? Teleporting comment section strikes again. My comment goes way up there ^^^

[PudgeyBurrito]

Its funny you say this. Microsoft's net worth is 349.89 billion. Sony's is 17.7 Billion and yet Microsoft for 3 generations has been losing in sales year over year and console generation over console generation. The real shame here is a company with almost 20 times the money can't top them. What does Sony's whole financial worth have to do with this article when we are talking about gaming anyway?. Sony Pictures or Cells don't have much to do with gaming at all and or Sony's other ventures. What you are doing is classic misdirection. Someone posts how much better Sony is doing and because you have an Xbox One Or 360 you need to smear them. How about Nintendo? They are not an amazing rich company and still have been living for years. So whats really sad is that again MS with all its resources has never been a lead contender in the console gaming market period. Always last or second.

[otherZinc]

If Sony were doing that good, they wouldn't be in such a bad situation financially.

XBOX Live makes more than all of Sony, by itself.

That Halo Franchise makes more than all of Sony, by itself.

Another lying article.

[snoopgg]

In my opinion they make the best tvs and consoles outthere, and thats good enough for me.

[gamer7804]

This title is incorrect, they should state the consoles themselves, PS4 VS Xbox One and WiiU.

Microsoft makes much more money as a whole than either nintendo or sony combined.

[wodan]

Title says since 2012 so how is it about current gen only?

Also this about consoles you know? funny how MS make more money than Sony and Nintendo combined yet they have far less games and the one that spent less on games.

[gamer7804]

I was only reviewing the article title in a journalistic sense.

[Angeljuice]

They have a lot more games than MS, what are you on about?

[Pogmathoin]

Yeah it sucks they do mot have more 1st party IP, but it is true that MS make a lot more... But you cannot say that here, its trolling.

[Angeljuice]

The whole of Microsoft's existence as anything other than a footnote in history is down to a mistake that IBM made in a contract decades ago.

If IBM had kept the rights to windows (which would have been very easy), Microsoft would have been defunct years ago.

All their wealth is based on one single mistake, nothing else they do is successful.

And that is what you base their worth on?

Sony have earned every penny they own through hard work and quality products, Microsoft simply bought the mother of all lottery tickets.

[gamer7804]

Almost any pivotal moment in history comes down to one single moment, i'm not sure what that has to do with the article though.

Sorry but Office is a huge success. They are currently have the highest % of business software.

[PuppetMaster251]

It is *estimated* though

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Shhhh...don't let anyone catch you not worshipping. You'll get crucified for it.XD

[Ezz2013]

Oh, you poor thing.
Liking a company for making amazing consoles and games is worshipping....We are not allowed to do that..i get that now

well, then don't let me catch you praising microsoft or nintendo for their consoles and games then ...because according to you that's also worshipping.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Can't tell the difference between praise and worship, then proceeding to put words in my mouth.
Nice try but no.

Just take a look at Puppet's post.
Just the merest HINT of not being 100% suck-up and already he's got over 20 people red flagging him.
If that doesn't represent the worshipping mindset of this console war feeding article enough to make it obvious to you, then you need to look harder.

[Ezz2013]

@wonderfulmonkeyman
But I don't see any one saying
"ALL hail our lord Sony"

That's worshipping
How people disagree with him is worshipping ?!

[Pogmathoin]

Ezz, people praising there favourite console is perfectly fine, but here it seems only allowed for your fav.... Go to any positive X1 article, and those same people love to just spread the hate.... Even after MS have changed many of the things gamers complained about when it was announced.... Many people say nice things about Xbox, they loose bubbles..... Or called trolling....

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Pog

Keep believing that. It really isn't the case.

There are plenty of big Xbox proponents here that have 6-10 bubbles like gangsta_red and Christocolus, and plenty that have 1-3 bubbles like yourself.

There are plenty of PlayStation supporters on here that have 6-10 bubbles like Ezz2013 and plenty that have 1-3 bubbles like myself.

You can't use that victim theory anymore - it's broken, just like this website's moderation.

[chrisx]

Playstation Nation Domination aint said for nothing

[StormLegend]

No surprise here, Playstation is the best place to play IMO.

I have all 3 systems PS4, PS3 & Vita

[Dudebro90]

You mean the console with the most sales... Makes more money.....

Holy moly batman.

[FITgamer]

The comparison PS3/PS4 vs 360/XB1 vs Wii/WiiU. Not just current gen.

[DrumBeat]

I've always loved Playstation, and I'm really enjoying my experience with the PS4. Superb console.

[apostolis81]

Great revenue with not many great exclusives. Sony wants to make make money and it will not invest much in first party titles except from the known titles.

[plmkoh]

How are you able to live under a rock and yet be a member of N4G for over 2 years.

[apostolis81]

It is not needed for everyone to share the same opinion. Only Uncharted 4 and Horizon are the main AAA first party games so far for anyone to get hyped or excited. Do not be irritating and state your arguments with polite way.

[b3ast]

Well all I can say is that Bloodborne and Until Dawn is two of the best games I ever played.

[apostolis81]

Bloodborne is a copy from Darksouls and Until Dawn is a copy of Heavy rain, and interactive Thriller. They are good games but they are not so great games in order to be Hyped. I prefer Dark souls series are far better than Bloodborne, and I prefer Telltale episodic game series than Until Dawn. So these arguments are not so strong.

[akurtz]

@tolis dumbest thing ive read so far today and its barely 7am here. good job.

[scientificreasoning]

Yet they have more first party studios then N or MS lol.

[Antifan]

How many good exclusives Xbox has had this year? If you go look at the wiki, or any general info on the Internet, Sony has far more 1st party exclusives. MS haven't had a exclusive released in the last 8 months.

[Persistantthug]

Mr tolis1981, I present you this: http://www.bilder-upload.eu...

[Angeljuice]

I prefer Bloodborne to DarkSouls and Until Dawn to telltale games so by your logic your argument collapses.

No Microsoft game interests me so does that mean they have NO great exclusives?

I wouldn't presume to say that for one moment.

[sin7279]

Playstation4life!

[Kribwalker]

Lol

Playstation 4 sells 25 million @ $399

Xbox one sells >15 million @ between $349-499

Wii u sells around 10 million @ $299

Of course the console sales will make more revenue then. Thanks Captain Obvious

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Don't bother, dude.
This is one of those articles where anyone that isn't riding the wave is getting buried by downvotes for not conforming to absolute praise for Sony.
Even if you point out the obvious calmly, or make arguments based around hardware sales not being the only important factor in overall profit, no one in here's gonna listen.
It's either suck up or get voted down, on this one.XD

[Paleblood]

Except the PS4 has all the important factors by dominating on both hardware and software sales.

Since when people cannot write an article about the success of the console dominating the market? Since the xbox is loosing? Looks to me you have problems with the obvious and this article but yet if it was the xbox One, you wouldn't be complaining.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

@ Pale

Thank you for proving my point.
On all fronts.

[DigitalRaptor]

Except the ones making those arguments, calmly or not, are doing so with an agenda, and a not very well hidden one. It's an agenda that is slowly becoming buried by Sony's increases profits, and reduced losses since last-gen. Don't care to that up?

Look at Kribwalker's comment history, and it's pretty obvious, but here you are patting him on the back without witnessing an obvious agenda from someone who is downplaying PS4's games lineup and talking about their Xbox games.

[wodan]

LOL @ 15 million Xbone last i checked it was below 13 million and thats was from VGcharts and no word from MS so where did you get your number from?

[hiawa23]

No surprise These articles are hilarious. Well of course the PS brand does...

[digitalpariah]

I can't speak for everyone that bought a PS4, but for me and my friends we were ready to jump ship after getting jerked around by Micro$oft for so many years.

I went from Nintendo to Xbox, and now Playstation. If the NX turns out to be pretty cool I may go full circle.

[bmky]

Ps for life

[Dannylew]

hahaha... obviously.. Playstaton made videogames. not only numbers for investors like Microsoft.. of fantomatic/stupid and useless tech like Kinect and force people to pay for it.

[FoxyGotGame]

An article regarding PS taking 50% of the market, and dominating the competition, and the usual fanboys are in here burned by the facts. So they bring up X1 games which has about as much to do with the article as an Atari 2600.

Pathetic mess /

[Krakin1]

And they bring up HFGF...haloforzagearsfable. If I wasn't a xbox fan before when they always had those games, I won't change my mind when the come with the same stuff on the X1. Wanna know which new IP has everyone hyped? Horizon Zero Dawn and its a ps4 exclusive.

[Bewareofsasquatchh]

yeah too bad they cant put that money back in to make a lot of AAA games and improving psn,they have to make up for their losses from their dying phone,tv,camera,mp3 player,tablet divisions

[Krakin1]

Cry more

[Bewareofsasquatchh]

who's crying?i'm just stating facts

[PistolsAtDawn]

This is the heart of the matter. I have been a PS fan from the beginning, but this is the thing this gen that has me concerned. I can't help but notice that big Sony is floundering, and every month or so we hear another article about Sony needing to sell off assets or close it's doors in a matter of years...then juxtaposed right next to that is PS4 KILLING it in sales, and doing very very well...

Yet things like PSn is severely lacking, they are now charging for the EXACT SAME network that used to be free (which still has less dedicated servers than their direct competition's OLD network set up)...then the company/servers they DID buy all went directly into a secondary paid service (PS Now).

NO doubt there are a few gems coming up in the PS line up like UC4 and Horizon (which both look great), but a large chunk of what Sony is leaning on to sell their console having games is simply an indie line up (NOT that indies are all bad or anything...there are gems in there as well, but the point is that Sony isn't funding them). There are some quality Sony exclusives on the horizon (no pun intended :) ) but if you look at the way they are spaced out, most are far off into the future...and it almost seems like they just keep feeding just enough info about them to keep interest without having to deliver them month after month. With how much Sony is crushing the competition in revenue, we should be seeing a serious AAA title every month from PS or at least close to. Then put that next to the fact that recently they've been investing it 3rd party timed exclusive deals and even touting a kickstarted game as an exclusive...it's enough to raise eyebrows and ask questions.

YES all companies do 3rd party deals, it will always be that way, but the degree of how Sony is making money vs how they are investing money back into the console is no where near as aggressive as the competition...and it's starting to show.

It seems my fear of big Sony siphoning money for PS is a reality. I'm sure that Sony/PS will be fine, I'm just saying that as a gamer, I would rather all that income be reinvested in games...based on sales, Sony should be leading the charge with AAA first party game after AAA first party game left and right...and they should be the leading edge in innovation....but simply put, they aren't right now.

I KNOW I KNOW, I'm going get downvoted and accused of being a fanboy...which happens every time you say something that offends someone here...but seriously, I do/always have love Sony/PS ...but this is a tough love stance...I want to keep loving PS/Sony, but in order for that to happen, they need to keep delivering..and so far this gen they have just done several things to disappoint me...I want them to fix that, so I need to point it out. I'm REALLY excited about Horizon and UC4, pre-ordered them as early as I could...but realistically right now that's ALL I'm excited about on PS4.

[Persistantthug]

@PistolsAtDawn........Hey I'm not gonna downvote you, but I just wanted to address your issue/concern about why it seems Sony's first party exclusives are taking so long. The reason is because it takes years to make a game, and if you recall, Sony's studios were making games way late into the PS3's 7th generation lifespan. Alot of people seem to not know or understand this, but it takes several years to make a game. No big deal, but I just wanted to say this and I hope it enlightens you or anyone else who may be interested in this, respectively. Take care :)

[susanto1228]

And dont forget selling off assets...if they are doing so well why do we keep hearing of shutdowns

[joeorc]

As I pointed out before!
Playstation is not a division of Sony like the Xbox is for Microsoft!:

Its like this
Any money Microsoft's Xbox makes goes into Microsoft the corpus itself, and Microsoft gets to decide, how much Microsoft's "Xbox division" gets for its funding.

Sony's playstation on the other hand is with Sony's case its this:

Playstation is a wholly owned "Subsidiary" that means playstation and all of PlayStation's assets it has in its corpus is while a part of Sony it's Infact ran Separate of Sony..its Sony's held Assets! There is no public offering for its stock because the only stock holder is a created entity and its stock of playstation is not open for public buy in that's why if you buy Sony stock there is no playstation stock you get, because there is none!, PlayStation is ran by its own board and income it makes is divested to the parent not the other way around.

Yes it does not have access to a ton of cash on hand , by on the same token any money it makes it can invest which it is right back into playstation but also gives its parent money, but not all of it. It's own corpus is not the same as being just another division of the company.

This again?

@PistolsAtDawn

"Sony is floundering, and every month or so we hear another article about Sony needing to sell off assets or close it's doors in a matter of years...then juxtaposed right next to that is PS4 KILLING it in sales, and doing very very well..."

1st of all a floundering company is not floundering when its set to jump in stock value by 10 freaking points by next month! It will have almost doubled its stock value by the end of Oct!

Its selling off Assets, because its downsizing and making a profit off of the selling of the assets that are draining its profitability. When you can sell off a single building for over a billion us $$ and than turn right around and than buy a brand new PlayStation HQ for SCEA right in silicon's valley.. That's not selling off for no good reason, that's not floundering when the company is in the black and lets be very blunt and clear about this in 2012 Sony's stock was worth $17.00 its stock will be worth in at the end of next month a min $32.00+ in 2015!

So you making a claim about floundering is pretty far fetched don't you think? Jumping from $17.00 a share from 2012 to now a min of $32.00 a share in 2015!

[travestyj]

Yet they still develop/publish a lot more games than MS which has a lot more money then they do...

[snoopgg]

Yeah, just like microsoft is always in the red on every console they ever put out. Microsoft didn't fare so well on their mp3 players if I recall also. Sony make some of the best tvs out there, more expensive, but well worth it.

[Angeljuice]

It's not a fact just because you say so. Do a little research and you'll see how stupid and misinformed your comment is.

[Relientk77]

PlayStation Nation racking up those money stacks

[timlot]

Microsoft Market Cap: 350.4Billion
Sony Market Cap: 30.26Billion

[Mr-Dude]

But still Sony is doing better...

[Haru]

That shows how pathetic Microsoft actually is they're losing on all fonts where there is competion

xbox - losing to playstation

bing - losing to google

windows phone - losing to android and ios

every single one of their product is failing miserable where there is competion microsoft succed with windows by running a monoploy without any competion if there were another tech company making desktop os's you'd see microsoft losing there too, they are really a pathetic company

[Live_Larry]

Agree(4) | Disagree(17) | Report | Reply

This is not a subjective comment.

This is a fact.

How the hell are so many people disagreeing with fact?

Are these figures not accurate?

Can someone who disagreed with this explain to me what part of it do they actually disagree with?

[Spotie]

Relevance.

We're talking about the consoles fielded by these companies and the money they make in their gaming divisions; what does market cap have to do with that?

He might as well have named off the active volcanoes in the ring of fire, or named the Harry Potter books in order; that'd be as relevant, and would probably net him more agrees for not being a troll attempt m

[Live_Larry]

@Spotie

I see. Wouldn't that warrant a "Trolling" or "Off-topic" bubble down?

Because to me, these disagrees are pretty much the same as denying the existence of volcanoes. They make no sense!

Anyways. Everyone can now get back to their mature discussion on revenues, financial success, and market valuations.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Because to me, these disagrees are pretty much the same as denying the existence of volcanoes. They make no sense"

They also make no relevant sense to what is being discussed.

consider the disagree is based on having nothing to do with the topic at hand. No one is saying its not a fact, merely why is it being brought up?

I mean...them making lots of money never equaled to them selling the best in ANY console generation.

[Subaruwrx]

@Live-Larry - "Wouldn't that warrant a "Trolling" or "Off-topic" bubble down?" I gave timlot a bubble down for being off-topic and a disagree to go with it. Didn't give him one for trolling but that was because he may be stating factual data. It is a fact that MS has a lot more assets than Sony but that has little to do with the profitability of said companies gaming divisions. So far, it seems no action has been taken against timlot for being off-topic. So it goes ---

[StrayaKNT]

Hahahaha exactly, only thing shareholders should care about.

[Angeljuice]

^^^

And Microsoft only has the Windows monopoly because IBM made a mistake whilst writing the contract.

Such a huge company that has done nothing successfully except get lucky with being allowed to keep the rights to windows (they would have taken any contract IBM offered them at the time).

[RPGrinder]

And Nintendo software and handhelds have killed Sony in terms of profit. Who cares? Sony might have more "console" sales but overall in the game division it is not even close how much Nintendo has schooled them from a profit standpoint since the beginning of the Wii.

That is the case this year. Nintendo is poised to have the strongest software sales of any publisher by the end of the holidays. 3DS continues to be a force too.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Devil's Third......

http://www.ign.com/articles...

[RPGrinder]

Which Nintendo published out of the goodness of there hearts after irrational fans went crazy over someone else localizing.

Nintendo had nothing to do with the dev of the game.

Super Mario Maker, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Star Fox, and more, that is on them.

[Knushwood Butt]

'Nintendo's Damon Baker says the company doesn't "throw around cash" to indie developers in order to get exclusive content.'

Yet according to you they publish garbage like Devil's Third out of the goodness of their hearts!

[ShadowWolf712]

So much salt broski.

Were you this mad when Dragon Quest XI got announced for the PS4 over the Wii U like everyone said it would?

That said, the vast majority of Nintendo's income as of late is coming not from hardware, not from software... but toys used to unlock in-game context that is either not worth the figure's price or should be free anyways.

[user8966828]

Well it is coming out for the 3ds which is outselling everything

[Angeljuice]

@RPGrinder

So you are happy that Nintendo sells pointless crap at extortionate prices and milks its fans with licensed tat that has nothing to do with videogames and everything to do with marketing?

[susanto1228]

Means @#@#@ too me since I don't play neither and PC sales generate more than all combined worldwide

[IrishSt0ner]

An inconvenient truth around here.

PC gaming hardware generates double that of all the consoles combined:

http://wccftech.com/report-...

[CBaoth]

Did you research anything you provided in the link? WCC credits its source from another site, MCV. In turn they credit the analyst, John Peddie who also runs two PC tech enthusiast sites. No healthy bias there. While he focuses on the PC market he uses numbers suspiciously similar to Gartner's report:

http://www.gartner.com/news...

Notice the disparity in numbers? Video game consoles expected to drive that segment to 55B in 2015. PC sales climb to 21.6B (the same number John used in his report). In fact according to Gartner, the only segment smaller than PC is handheld. Mobile is climbing above PC. As far as PC being twice as large as consoles, let me ask you this simple question; if that were indeed the case why aren't there more AAA publishers developing PC exclusives? Where are all the big 50 million dollar IPs? Businesses go where the money is. If we apply a little common sense and think about the situation, it just doesn't add up.
This comes straight from the horse's mouth -

https://www.jonpeddie.com/p...

Why use GPU sales as a barometer? According to Mr. Peddie, "at least one and often two GPUs are present in every PC shipped [or built]. GPU shipments are a leading indicator for the PC market."

[IrishSt0ner]

Ok CBaoth I get it, you don't trust JPR, lets try a top Google result for "Global Gaming Revenue"

http://www.newzoo.com/insig...

In 2015 Consoles $25.1B, PCs $33.7B.

The same company shows 2014 data (released May 2015) with projections to 2018:

http://venturebeat.com/wp-c...

Notice the trend? Now your turn to show me up to date data to back up your claim "Mobile is climbing above PC" or your insinuation that consoles are larger.

"let me ask you this simple question... why aren't there more AAA publishers developing PC exclusives.. we apply a little common sense and think about the situation, it just doesn't add up."

I prefer evidence over subjective 'common sense', so to that effect; here's some data to answer your question (note this is software):

http://marketrealist.com/20...

Of course you'll spin the data with stuff like.. yea but AAA games.. whatever, fine, just accept the truth that PC is larger than console and mobile in gaming revenue. Otherwise show me your evidence...

[CBaoth]

amigo it's not that I distrust JPR, I see the inherent problems each and every PC elitist refuses to admit - there are NO big budget IPs exclusive to PC. If the money was there so would the companies. The only 2 PC games with console sized budgets I can think of in recent memory: 1 was crowdfunded and the other was a failed MMO over 5 years in development and scrapped before it saw the light of day. I asked you a simple question and apparently you couldn't answer it. You deflected answering it with a "whatever". Not a sparkling indictment about PC only gaming.

By the way, 2 of the 3 links were from the same research firm - redundancy doesn't make your point. And you realize they skew the data by including MMO and casual revenue. C'mon monthly subscriptions and Farmville now? Talk about scraping the bottle of the barrell. You choose to accept newzoo and I'll take the word of one of the world's leading research firms, Gartner. We'll just have to agree to disagree about traditional gaming revenue. Maybe next time Rockstar doesn't treat us like red headed step children and make us wait 18 months for the next GTA. That is if they even bother

[IrishSt0ner]

You've provided no evidence to back up your claims, the 2013 garner report which you hold in such high regard didn't include PC hardware, subscriptions, DLC or F2P revenue but it conveniently uses the entire console market for it's projection.

You actually think it's unbiased, representative and fair to pit the whole console market against PC game sales only?

"there are NO big budget IPs exclusive to PC"

Star Wars: The Old Republic cost more to make than any 'console exclusive', don't believe me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

I don't agree with this avenue of arugment anyway, it's entirely disingenuous when the majority of big budget games are on multiple platforms.

"skew the data by including MMO and casual revenue"

They're on the PC platform, how does one even claim that skews the data, MMO and casual revenue is part PC gaming revenue, you can't just disregard them to suit your argument, that's the very definition of bias which would actually skew the data.

Why did you avoid the NVIDIA post altogether? Can you see the numbers DIRECTLY CORRELATE with newzoo? Two seperate recent sources tell the same story and you disregard one as possibly false and just simply ignore the other that isn't so easily dismissed. REALLY?

Do some research for yourself, you'll quickly become aware that PC gaming revenue surpassed all the consoles combined revenue in 2014.. it was big news in the PC community.

Post one single data set, or reputable company that refutes this known fact. You have not been able to thus far.

We won't agree to disagree, it is not my opinon, it is objective fact.. whether or not you agree is irrelevant when anyone can find the information for themselves and confirm it to be true AKA fact.

I'm not coming from a PC elitist position.. in truth I game equally, if not more, on console... it's about what is true and what is not, and I think I've done more and enough to try and enlighten you.

[susanto1228]

All sony fanboys disagreeing lol It's the truth deal with it

[Germany7]

And the mobile market it's way bigger than pc.
Like you said, it's the truth deal with it.

[snoopgg]

They are dealing with it by playing their ps4s, and it means nothing to a console player how well pcs generate all that money. Pc gaming sucks deal with it.

[IrishSt0ner]

'mobile market it's way bigger than pc'

Yea check the GAMING market, PC generates more money than mobiles in the GAMING marketplace.

http://www.newzoo.com/wp-co...

[Subaruwrx]

@susanto "Means @#@#@ too me since I don't play neither and PC sales generate more than all combined worldwide." If it means @#@#@ to you why did you bother to comment on this article about console sales?

[corroios]

The comment here... Lol. So many afraid of the fact that the PS4 is number one and by a mile. Sony is crushing everything. They it the Jackpot with the PS4.

With more money we get more brand new Ip, like this year. This will become a vicious Cycle of more sales and more exclusives, more exclusives content first, it will be harder to have parity even on payed marketing games and so on and making a exclusive game for other then the PS4 is be a huge gamble...

It all good for us, gamers!!!!

[susanto1228]

The PS4 is already outdated look it up and it's not crushing PC sorry....

[corroios]

We are talking consoles. Something for everybody, cheap and ready to go. This is not a news about PC. They dont enter the equation.

[Germany7]

According to your wonderful logic, IOS and Android are crushing pc. Sorry....

[ShadowWolf712]

Okay, and? What relevance does that have to the video game console market?

[Orionsangel]

This effects quality and gamers how? Just give me good games! Stop telling us how richer we're making rich companies.

[ShadowWolf712]

Because this does indeed affect how willing third parties are to work with which company, it's useful for investing, it's indicative of how much money the PS division is going to have to spend ON games as well.

[Orionsangel]

But I own everything.

[ShadowWolf712]

Good for you. Doesn't make this less relevant though man.

[RPGrinder]

Nintendo sold 250 million Wii/DS units, almost pure profit. Nintendo themselves sold over 200 million units of software.

Until last year Sony was seeing billion yen losses, Sure, Sony had higher console profit, but what does that actually mean? Not much.

This is a pretty silly article. Since 2012 Nintendo handheld sales have had the same success. Same with software.

Consoles are a piece of the overall picture of what these companies do.

[audiocafe]

I haven't been on this site that long, and don't visit it too often, but I've seen your comments every now and then. I have a question, and it's really just me wondering: do you bring up Nintendo in every comment you make? Be it praising them or defending.

I ask because although I haven't been here that long I remember your comments and they seem to always revolve around Nintendo.

[superchiller]

@ _Cafe - Don't bother trying to reason with RPGrinder, he's a diehard Nintendo fan who is bitter about the failure of the Wii U. He downplays ALL other consoles, and only praises or defends the Wii U (as you pointed out). That's why his bubbles are gradually slipping away, he had 10 recently and is now down to 6. (How he got 10 to begin with is a mystery to everyone, lol).

[RPGrinder]

You freaking realize this article involves Nintendo right?

@Superchiller
How many bubbles have you lost recently for all your irrational nintendo trolling?

I have not heard you say one factual thing.

Oh, and Wii U might be a failure, but it is still the console with the best exclusives still right now.

If we are looking at financial position. Nintendo is in an infinitely stronger financial position.

This article talks about revenue. No company has made as much gaming revenue as Nintendo overall over the last 10 years. That is just a fact

[TheXgamerLive]

That title is very very wrong. I see how you've mixed words.

Its sad when people either want hits based on non facts or when fanboys do it, well BC their fanboys. This seems to be such a piece.

[JoeMcCallister]

Why no link to the source article or report? It's mentioned that it's Euromonitor, which is wonderful, but there's no sourcing done that might give more insight.

I'd like to see the numbers in a bit more detail if possible, I know that Euromonitor is pricey for some reports (Sony's profile is $570 USD) so I'm curious if this is based off a company profile, or a true market analysis. Just a thought for future market stuff like this that a summary is great but sourcing/detailed numbers would be awesome.

[ghostrider32]

Can't wait for the Xbox to die, and the PS fans end up on the same network as the fans they hated since the 360 days. I can't wait.

[susanto1228]

Without Xbox Sony would #$#$#$# you guys like there was no tomorrow better be glad there's another console out there to balance out consoles in terms of pricing and games selection.....get educated man

[Persistantthug]

@susanto1228,
I'm pretty much a Playstation fan, but I do happen to agree with the gist of your sentiment. More competition is good for all of us gamers, So, I'm giving you your only agree. But for the record, Microsoft would screw us even harder if they were the only ones in console gaming. They tried screwing us during the reveal, so that's 100% proof. Anyways, enjoy your agree. :)

[kenwonobi]

It is what it is. PS4 is dominating. It's not close. Good for Sony.

[RPGrinder]

They are dominating with PS4, which is fantastic. Getting embarrassed with software and vita which is not so fantastic.

Sony has not supported Vita, not really. They are not particularly supporting PS4 in a fantastic way but third parties are saving them right now on the software front

[Subaruwrx]

@RPGrinder "You freaking realize this article involves Nintendo right?" Yeah but it's an article about consoles not handhelds like the 3DS. And,"Sony has not supported Vita, not really." Why do you keep bringing up handhelds in a console discussion? You're not on-topic.

[MainstreamGamer]

Oh yes Nintendo, the only company out of the 3 whose main source of income is the gaming industry. While MS and Sony are invested in other area of Entertainment and Electronics, those two are more successful in gaming. Now why is that?

[S2Killinit]

Ummmmmmmmm yeeeeah Hate to break this to you, buttt, PS4 has slightly more than 2X the exclusives than xbone, and more than twice the exclusives in the pipeline.

Reading your coment i cant help but think about how you are missing out. Really.

[Persistantthug]

Mr. RPGrinder, you really need to stop telling lies:
http://www.bilder-upload.eu...

As you can see there are LOTS of PS4 exclusives.....many more than what's on XBOX One. If you continue to tell lies, then the next time I will have to downbubble you for trolling and lying.
Please don't do that, sir. Thank you.

[ShadowWolf712]

You DO know that software sales lead on the PS4, correct?

[kenwonobi]

PS4 is by no means losing on software front either. The sales would also reflect that. They have to have games people want more to sell this much. Xbox people are in denial.

[pelenow]

For now.

[FallenAngel1984]

PlayStation consoles have the global appeal that its competitors do not have. Xbox consoles generally don't do well in Asia and Nintendo consoles generally don't do well in Europe.

[benji101]

It is not a global appeal. Total failure in Japan. worse than the Dreamcast by 1/2 a million.

[FallenAngel1984]

It is global appeal. Sony has consistently found greater success in every market over all its other competitors.

[StormSailor]

Great to see the Playstation back with its full power, Sony probably did his best console ever and is trying to return to the Japanese market with massive investment in many titles. I'm liking how this generation is flowing

[silvacrest]

i could have guessed this but since 2012? didn't think it would be that long

[LoveSpuds]

Doesn't affect me directly but I am happy to see my fave brand thriving, stuff like this puts them in a good, strong position in the console market and that can only be a good thing.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Good job Sony!

I might pick one up next year, right now I have more exclusive games than time and More games by far this holiday for my Xbox One.

[oSHINSAo]

Good for Sony, Still not getting a PS4

[FreddyFazbear]

LOL, as if sony cares. 1 guy not buying PS4 won't hurt sony. even if your entire friends and neighborhood don't buy, it is still irrelevant. Now go back to what you do best, downplay Playstation

[MALVAD0]

nice to see sony is doing well ps4 is a owesome console no wonder is the #1worldwide for almoust 2 years and still $400 alot games to play owesome first party games and 3rd + nice indys games and more incoming .... gratz to sony

PLAYSTATION NATION

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@djplonker

Bro, you are moving the goalposts. You can't call a predetermind race after the race and say well if you take or add a year, Sony wins. No, they lost the 7th gen. The gen started and ended with the launch of newer consoles.

You can't say if Usain Bolt started faster or had an extra 50m he'd win the race. The length of the race is 100m, if he crosses the line in 3rd thats called a 3rd place finish.

[Denny_Crane]

They still make & sell PS3 & X360 consoles so how has it ended just because the PS4 & X1 came out?

[Persistantthug]

343_Guilty_Spark,

Um.........the 7th generation hasn't ended, dude.......it's still going and games are being made for the 7th gen home consoles.

Nice try, though, but you get a disagree. :)

[VJGenova]

OMGIDC because my PC still is the only venue for 4k 60 fps gameplay. Any cross platform title will be bought on pc. The end.

[user8966828]

I think it's so cute how hard Sony fans try if there games are so great then how come not a single Sony ip is on the lists of top selling games and franchises of all time oh that's right because if you look at Sony's attach rate for their games it's horrible just like their ips

[Denny_Crane]

Grand Turismo is in most lists of best selling franchises.

[kenwonobi]

The sales aren't so high off hype alone. Wake up. People love Sony's games. Sales do not just magically appear without good games. It's a blowout so it means Sony is blowing out Microsoft in games people like too.

[Masta Kaos]

Some are busy explaining nonsense....This article is about PlayStation 4 destroying the competition....This has nothing to do with Sony's finances.....PLAYSTATION 4 DESTROYING XBOXONE & WII U....end of story.

[Globalgamer]

Sony
Console sales are up
First party software is over 50% down YoY
Vita is the worst selling system globally

They are 1 for 3.

God, this site really is infested with Sony fanboys like they all say on twitter.

[joeorc]

Globalgamer + 3m ago
Sony
1) Console sales are up - Agreed
2) First party software is over 50% down YoY
(Not true in the slightest look at the launch year's 1&2 of the PS3 vs the Launch year of the PS4 year's 1&2 and the ps4 is not down over 50% in 1st party its rather up in %)
3) Vita is the worst selling system globally-(not true that would be the PSPGo or Xperia Play as the worst selling playstation's yes xperia play is technical in the term not complete in as a 100% playstation but it did have the playstation Mobile stamp on the system and has playstation software services included on the system from the get go)

And that is why you have my disagreement
At least I explained why you have a disagree from me.

Oh' for the love of god

"Actually there first party software is down closer to 65% according to their financials."

That's like saying from the last finance report, you release a new console and than say look: the software is down on this new released system vs the last few years to try to make a point, which is not a valid point in this discussion any way. Its context, that would be like calling out Nintendo or Microsoft's system for the software released on a new system not as many released up to date when the system just released. And your using all of the Xbox360/or Nintendo Wii's software release numbers vs the new systems with it not being on the market just a shirt time and docking it for being a new system with no real time on the market long enough to build up several years worth of a archived software.

Just to make a point! Lmao that has no bearing on this discussion.

[Globalgamer]

Actually there first party software is down closer to 65% according to their financials. Also not as high as Nintendo or MS via metacritic either.

Currently, the Vita is last globally when Mediacreate, NPD, and the european numbers are tallied. Those other systems are not even tracked.

[saimcheeda]

They'd never believe it. I'm proud I kept my faith in Sony!