MCV: Microsoft revealed that it would be scrapping charges for Games for Windows Live at Gamefest 08 last week – but has confirmed to MCV that it won't be doing the same for Xbox 360 service.
They've convinced 9-10 Million people to pay for a Service that is free on all other Platforms,matter of fact I can see them raising the price by 10 Dollars or something once their Mii system comes out.
If they would care about gamers they would take away the price tag of live or atleast let silver members play online while gold got some special treats like beta testing and free stuff of the marketplace. M$ is taking advantage of people that doesn't know better and I feel sorry for those who actually put up with this bullshit. When you download a demo thats "free" or a trailer thats "free" on Live you don't get it for free because you pay a monthly fee for it. Comparing to PSN you atleast have a choice if you want to pay for something like Qore where you get those special benefits or download as much free stuff as you want and it's actually free this time and not free to those that pay for it every month. Nothing is forced on you on PSN and thats what every gaming console online should be like.
but raising the price? cmon dude get serious. I know people don't like MSFT, but they aren't that stupid to committe industry suicide. People act like paying is a crime. There was a premium to pay for SegaNet while the ps2 online offering was free. Same reason applied SegaNet was as service, PS2 online was a simple network, and until Sony wiped the floor with sega SegaNet was the place to game online. Even after the console died some still feel it's online offering was better than Sony's.
There is quiet a big gap in quality between Live and these free services that you're refering to.
You can't justify M$ behavior to force people to pay to play online on thier console just because they have slightly better features? It's the online play that we want so let those who want the extra download speed and cross invite, cross voice chat and so on pay for it and let those that just want to use the multiplayer option in the games they pay 50-60$ for, do that. Basicly if your not a gold member on Live you are paying for half the game you buy. Would you settle for only the single player in Call of duty 4? I guess you would't. Wake up and smell the bullshit!
@Bangladesh - When you pay for the Xbox Live Gold service, you are only paying for the ability to play online (and to get demos a little earlier), all the other features are in the silver service. Not really worth it if you see that PSN does the same thing for free. Also MS shouldn't be bragging about this, they should be saying stuff like Sony does, "We are evaluating all options". Lol. MS will make the XBL free when they start losing the Console War IMO, and by that time it will be too late.
No. we're also paying to play some of Sony's former exclusives (FF, GTA, --->MGS, Tekken...). I guess that's one of the things they're using our money for.
Good thing. We don't want to end up with a service full of broken features like PSN, now do we? Imagine only having achievements in one game, no unified gamertag, no custom soundtracks, having not only to download but also install demos and even updates, crippled voicechat, sluggish online store that resembles surfing the Internet with a 28.8 US Robotics modem, not knowing if the game you are buying supports trophies, ingame soundtracks etc. I wouldn't want to have to endure that mess.
"You can't justify M$ behavior to force people to pay to play online on thier console just because they have slightly better features?" He doesn't need to, 11 million Live subscribers and counting have already done it for him! ;)
@Superfragilistic - Bubbles. You 'hit the weak spot for massive damage' with that one lol!
Games for windows live is free yes but if you are refering to PSN then I would have to disagree because PSN is a work in progress, Xbox-live is established and fully functional.
if its become its gona be crap in futur i think by paying will give us 1# service in world
I know "forum etiquette" is almost a contradiction in terms, but please try and make your comments coherent.
i was lost by ur comment. i have no clue as to what ur saying. all i understand is #1 service in the world
30 Sony fans crying because 360 owners pay for a service that they want.
/sigh it's like talking to a wall...
I'm just really burnt out on this argument. It's goes the same way every time. A group of Sony fans trying to make 360 fans feel ashamed for paying a small subscription fee for a service that they enjoy and want. All while they settle for the technical flaws and missing features of their free service. If PSN or online PC gaming were as good as Live, I wouldn't have a problem paying 10 cents a day for them. The reason PSN & online PC gaming are free is because compared to Live, these services are a big pain in the a**.
well you must be rich if you think a small fee is 50 dollars!!! i could buy a game with those 50 dollars
Yes, you must be rich to afford 50 dollars a year /sarcasm @ Idonthate Guess what, you get what you pay for. PSN will always be playing catchup. By the time they add something that XBL already has like trophies or XMB, XBL just adds more features, further putting PSN away. If XBL gold was a ripp-off then nobody would have subscribed, which is not the case since there are over 10 million user on Live. XBL is not free, get over it. People don't mind paying for a good service.
Look. I dont mind the xbox as a gaming machine, but there are 2 things that needs to be sorted before id be willing to buy one. The first thing is the RROD issue and the second is having to pay for online play. Now as much as you claim 360 owners gladly pay for xbox live, it still alienate people from buying it. And as far as im aware the features that xbox live has that PSN doesnt have is availible in the silver membership, so basically what you are paying for on xbox live is not much more then online play, which happen to be free on PSN. If MS atleast used dedicated servers (which PSN has for free)then i could understand why they would charge for it. Thing is though, the xboxlive fees goes more or less straight into MS pocket. Its like donating money to one of the worlds biggest companies. If xbox users put enough pressure on MS they would get this feature for free. But console owners arent like pc owners. They are to connected to the brand and to the companies behind the brand. While pc on the other hand doesnt have one companies that controls the platform. And when it comes to people thinking 50$ a year is nothing, its like listening to a guy who think he made a good deal paying 50$ a month for 2 years for an 800$ TV. As small as the amount might seem when you divide it on months days or weeks you still pay the same amount of money. If you have xbox live for 6 years you will pay 300$. thats the same as the premium xbox cost right now and if you paid 300$ for the box and had it 6 years then thats the same amount you would have to pay for ps3 at launch. Does it sound like a good deal to you? it doesnt to me.
If you can't pay $50 a year, which is about $4 a month, then you need to stop gaming and get a job, cause apparently you don't have one.
i just dont see what xbox live features make it worthwhile in comparison.
console gamers say more please.. go figure Im hoping they never scrap the fees because it would be a blow to sony at the moment because psn has a cost advantage whilst xbl has a slight feature and efficiency advantage. Eliminating fees gives MS a double advantage thus attracting more customers.
QUESTION!! how many of you PSN guys would actually pay 3 dollars a month for the PSN. I know i wont, you guys talk this free like sony really has a choice. you dont think they look at the money MS is making an want to jump in on that but they know with their current offerings nobody would pay for that especially with XBL having MORE feature for the same price.
but the only thing i care about is lag free online and sony gives me that for free nothing against xbl if you want to pay for more features more power to you im not gonna tell you what you should and shouldnt like play on fellow gamers play on edit the main problem i have with ms is their need to nickle and dime you to death
The psn would never charge,, it says it right on the box when you buy the system you retard. I have both next gen systems, and yesterday I was actually pissed off that my gold account was expired and I couldn't play the Madden and Facebreaker demos. I almost paid for the service before I remembered the promise to not pay for live again. So a couple of hours later, I realized that the same demos were on the psn,, for free! What seems gimped about that guy? Well it doesn't matter, cause most of you guys are douches. You guys go ahead and pay to play,, keep on thinking that your slow xbox live interface is worth it. You can do some pretty neat things with your service that as a ps3 user cant like, voice chat during game, and ummmm,, thats about it you freaking retards! And its only to one person at a time,,, you fanboys really know how to look past the details huh? But hey,, when the psn offers in game voice chat,, I wanna hear about all of the other bullcrap that the psn doesn't have that xbox live has. When we get home, and you guy get avatars,, whos actually getting a gimped service? You kids need to wake up and smell the napalm cause a bomb is coming your way.
eff u mS who cares psn 4 life
well im paying almost 400 dollars for the system then 60 dollars for a game to start out with batteries of coarse then 50 dollars just to play online come on MS then if i want a little customization i got to pay for themes!!! WHAT!!!
THats 50 dollars a year. Also there are a lot of free themes AND you can use your own backgrounds. Msoft isn't forcing this down your throat, you don't HAVE to buy them.
As both an owner of the 360 and PS3 ... I get the best of both worlds. I do not have a problem paying for XBox Live at its current state. Now, if the services that Sony offers are with parity to the services currently offered by XBL, I have no problem canceling my subscription and leave all my online gaming to the PS3. The ratio of online versus offline gaming for me is skewed toward the 360. Its the inverse with offline gaming skewed toward the PS3. I'm sure alot of dual console owners view this the same way. Its safe for now but the best thing Sony could do (business stand-point) is to get close to XBL on a service level. This is when MS will scrap Live fees!
I would never pay for something that I can get for free. Its like going to a strip bar when you got a girlfriend at home.
In that case Xbox Live = dead sexy strippers willing to party all night and PSN = fuglyfat girlfriend sitting at home.
my puerto rican girlfriend pays for my xbox live. so im cool. i pay the bills and she pays for live lol. she likes games too ^_^. and she is a gym freak. she loves rainbow 6 vegas 2. im not into the other services xbox live provides. all i wanna know is that i can play online. and i must say soul calibur 4 on live is beautiful.
Been a gold member from Live Day One...and just as most of my friends have done...no more Live autorenewal...no more paying for Gold... MS is just hoping the new ones joining will off set those leaving.. MS is aiming more toward casual gamers, but they will find out, if the more hardcore gamers wont pay for live....the casuals wont either. At least us gamers can get a short term card to check out GOW2
Dividing by zero makes more sense than your comment
wait a minute, who said the hardcore aren't paying for live? who is leaving live? if you are referring to some of the live users on this site, well then u must know that the users of this site are only a small amount to the total amount of live. but like your friends, my friends and i have quit a online service, psn. Ive opted to pay for live because i realize its not that bad and you get an amazing service. and if it was up to Sony, im pretty sure they would charge as well. who knows, maybe Sony will opt to charge for all the small things in home like buying some new clothes or maybe for buying a new apartment and that would be preposterous in my opinion but who's to say besides Sony that they wont be doing this. Sony hasn't commented on it and maybe they are happy they haven't been asked about it either. but i guess we will face that problem when we finally get home and only god knows when that will happen
I will be no longer playing on Live after this year and not because 50 bucks is too much. it's the principle of the matter. Why pay for something that should be free? Well, rather than ranting about it, I simply decided to vote with my wallet. No need to pay for Live when I get online gaming for free from every other platform.
Don't subscribe then, but when you realize that PSN really is not up to Xbox-live's standard then I reckon you might come back.
Their network topology requires a lot of money for them to run while Sony is letting developers handle everything costing Sony nothing. The only way I see them making it free is if they made so much money that they can offer a year or two for free. Eventually they would have to go back to charging people for it. What's really ironic dedicated servers have less lag because the lag depends on the host usually (depends of the developer's network topology). So you're paying for a service that increases the chances of lag online. At the same time if you have a bad network connection you can potentially create lag for that particular game on the PlayStation 3. If you have a bad connection on XBOX Live you affect everyone connected to XBOX Live not that particular game only.
anything that calls itself a network has a topology, P2P I admit can cause lag but games like COD4 find the best host to prevent lag, or if you have a rubbish connection why host a game anyway, for the record if what I am told is correct COD4 on PS3 also uses P2P and others I believe, EA use there own servers on Xbox-360 so P2P is not just a Xbox-live specific issue, it is used by more companies than you might think, EA can afford to run there own servers but they cannot all do that.
Well...they've been milking people so far so why should they stop now?
Couple of questions...why does everybody believe that gaming online should be free? I mean, where is this entitlement to gaming online for free coming from, the PC? Well that is a different platform. The ps3? Different quality of services. How many of you pay for cable versus using an antenna. How many of you pay more for dsl or broadband versus dial-up. Most of us have xbox live experiences in our everyday life...where we are willing to pay a little extra for better quality...no matter how great or small it might be. Name brand clothes....name brand shoes?......and its not always quality that gives those things a higher price tag. With that said...my live has been out since the beginning of July...its time to go find somebody to get me back in the game.
Unless you been stealing internet. I pay over $100 dollars a month for internet and phone,, what give a company the right to charge me if Im already paying that? You like paying for live? Fine,, but just cause your a retard doesnt me we all have to suffer.
I mean outside of you not even understanding my post.....was it necessary for the name calling? I am retard because I do not have a problem paying for live.........but yet you think that just because you purchase the internet and phone that you are entitled to playing games on xbox live. Did back in the day, did you feel you were entitled to make long distance calls because you paid for your telephone? Do you moan about roaming charges on a cell phone?
XBL is the first successful console online network in terms of Content and Features and MS model was to provide "Pay Per Online Play", thats it. Yes some already have the Internet but that doesn't stop some from paying to Play an Online MMO. -Online MMO - You pay to play one game for a monthly Fee. -XBL Network - You pay to play "EVERY GAME" Online that has the feature, with MS paying/maintaining the the Back-end. Less headaches for small Devs. This is what the XBL model was built on, a "Fee to play service", you can't just erase it and come up with other ways to replace that revenue. If another competitor comes out with a "Free" service then that is their model. MS XBL business Model, I'm saying is no different then many others out there. -You pay for Monthly Cable Fee but pay extra fees on top if you want the "TIVO service". -Why doesn't "OTA" Free Television offer HBO? Well you need cable that. On top of that, they have the Cheap Basic Cable Package up to Premium packages, but yet you still Pay, for "Pay per view".(Obviously another service or feature on top of your Cable bill) Blizzard charges to play "WOW" on top of you Internet bill. Now here is a list of "The Best Free MMO's out there" Should blizzard drop the charges all the sudden? http://mmolist.blogspot.com... The "Principle" is in the Business Model and MS wanting to be profitable starting Xbox from the ground up. If Sony can Afford a free service, that's fine.(competition is good) Though things could be cheaper and always, I just do not think MS can afford to give everything free like their competitors, which have been in the Industry for more than 30+ years and have built up a Profitable fanbase. Hey when you hear someone say "Their console can sell even without games" then you know what they can afford to provide a Free service. Then again only for their own 1st-Party games.
because online multiplayer comes free with a $60 dollar game. Microsoft is not allowing you to play that free content without going through them and paying for it. The amount of features, no matter how great, simply cannot justify what they are getting away with in charging for their online service.
the multiplayer doesn't come free with the game it comes with multiplayer over xbox live network...which you pay for microsoft lets nobody use their servers for free if you understood how live worked you wouldn't look foolish companies have the ability to work around xbox live and set up their own system, devs don't have to use live for multiplayer but they do...why do they? because it is the best option, they save money because they don't have to maintain a network, its already set if live never existed we would be paying monthly fees for every game that comes out, if live didn't exist PSN wouldn't be free the only reason PSN is free is to look like a better option than xbox live PC games are free because the network is open, it only takes a small group of dedicated people to work out a way for custom servers on any pc games.... it is very difficult to tack down anything over PC(for example just look at filesharing) i'll gladly pay 4 dollars a month for a service that has disappointed me once since it's inception especially considering some of you will pay 15 a month for games like wow and ffxi, but complain because live isn't free? if anybody is getting ripped off it is mmo players, not live subscribers
if you don't like it then don't buy it.
if it was free then the 360 would have an enormous amount of xbox live accounts and the community would grow
Please I wanna hear about this cause if its just in game voice chat,, we are getting that too in the near future. Anything else? In game voice messaging? Even if the psn doesnt have that,, is it still really worth the 60 dollars a year?
I am glad to hear this. Right now PSN looks leaps and bounds above Live, and when Home is released there will just be no comparison. Sucks for 360 owners who are going to pay over $300 this generation just to play online LOL.
and you have been waiting for home to release how many years now?
Never ceases to amaze me. Look at all the posts from people who LOVE paying for Live. You people are crazy and a little blind. Use both of them on a regular basis and you will realize that the VASTLY SUPERIOR SERVICE claim is anything but true.
Did you know the 360 is the only machine that forces you to pay to play online? PSN, PSP, and computer online is free.
Firstly, the majority of 360 fanboys here can't physically touch a PS3 because it's the equivalent of holy water to a vampire, so the majority have no idea how close PSN is to Live. Other than the cross game chat available on XBL they're pretty much the same, with better online stability in games on PSN in many cases. Secondly, why would you want to pay? All those on here saying "The service is worth paying for"... Microsoft have just said you won't get it for free, isn't getting it for free better than paying for it? Why on Earth are you defending the fact that you're paying for something you shouldn't have to? Plus the only thing you're really paying for is the ability to play online against others, all the features you speak of are present on a Silver account (or elsewhere) for free. Seriously, saying XBL is miles ahead of PSN is an utter lie, because that's no longer the case, one or two features are missing from Sony's service and upon the release of Home by the end of this October XBL will be the one that's miles behind...
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