Rage Will Look Worse on 360 Due to Compression; Doom 4 and Rage Not Likely for Digital Distribution

id's post-apocalyptic open-world shooter Rage (PC, PS3, 360, Mac) will look worse on Xbox 360 due to the compression needed to fit the game's assets on two DVDs, programmer John Carmack revealed at tonight's QuakeCon keynote.

According to Carmack, the royalty fees to include a third disc in the Xbox 360 version would be so high that it simply isn't a feasible solution, with the programmer hoping for Microsoft to make a concession. He stressed that the issue has nothing to do with the Xbox 360 hardware itself, and is merely a storage problem.

[Ogrekiller]

Here's to MS ponying up for that 3rd disc.
I predict a field day for the Sony fanboys this time.
Edit: Never said that.
Edit 2: @ mushroom avatar guy: No, I didn't admittedly.

[sushipoop]

But I thought Blu-ray wasn't needed? LMAO I know you're crying on the inside, Ogre. Everyone be sure to spread the news! This is all the proof we needed. =)

[donator]

This is the perfect time for PS3 fan boys to take the high road. You've been arguing about how DVDs will become a problem for the 360 due to its storage limitations and now you have more concrete evidence that what you've been saying all along is true.

So this is a plea to fellow PS3 owners. Take the high road. Don't rub it in. Don't stoop to their level.

[rucky]

C'mon like you didn't see this coming.

[sonarus]

I wouldn't speak too soon. Wait till we actually see it running on both consoles

[beavis4play]

lets see....who should i listen to?......john carmack or sonarus? i should probably listen to sonarus cause what would carmack know about this game? end sarcasm.

[Bnet343]

I am not interested in this game at all. Actually what is this game suppose to be?

[sonarus]

Lol @beavis4play glad you take my opinion seriously ;)

But carmack is trying to promote a game here. Saying one version will look worse is kind of a dumb business practice. They may simply be putting pressure on Microsoft to ease up on the royalty fees. Sort of how Streed fighter turbo HD got delayed to infinity thanks to Msoft low size limit for arcade type games.

These people can sometimes misquote an individual just like how mass effect president apparently said no mass effect for ps3 until trilogy and that was proven fake. No compression definitely improves graphics but we don't even know how well the engine runs on the ps3 yet. I just say lets wait and see

[solidt12]

360 better get a Blu-Ray player or become the Dreamcast. Seriously it could happen.. No one saw it coming back when it happened to the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast had great games when it happened also.

[beavis4play]

no hard feelings i hope. feel free to poke fun at me any time.

[kopicha]

sigh... what a typical fanboy comment. when a game report to be not great on your system you simply try to hide it to the world by saying thank god i aint interested. so when something shows that ps3 is worst than its counterpart. even if you aint interested you would bash ps3 like hell. sad but true.... doesnt apply to me thou. i have both.

[TOSgamer]

How ghetto is that? No wonder the only multi discs games to come out for the 360 were published by MS.

[solidt12]

Knowing Microsoft there solution might be to slap three DVD players in the next Xbox to protest Blu-Ray. Idiots.

[sushipoop]

We're not asking you if you're interested. It's about the point of this article. The principle. The 360 version will look worse because they'll need to compress it beyond belief. PS3 has Blu-ray.

Sony FTW!

[marinelife9]

I honestly never even heard of this game. Is it even any good. There used to be a day if a game was made by Carmack you didn't even have to ask.

Will Doom 4 need three discs as well?

[kai_h]

Giving the 360 a Blu-ray player wouldn't do anything except enable the playback of Blu-ray movies. In order to produce games on Blu-ray for 360 would be if either: Microsoft gave every 360 a Blu-ray player, release games on both DVD and Blu-ray, or alienate the 360s with DVD players.

So if you want to say that the 360 should get a Blu-ray player, then the way to say it is not that Microsoft should make a 360 with Blu-ray, but instead, that Microsoft should've made a 360 with Blu-ray.

[sonarus]

lol hard feelings?...me...never :)

[decapitator]

Blu-ray is not needed for gaming amrite ?

Seriousl though, Am sure Carmack knows what he is talking about after all.

THE MAN IS BEEN TO SPACE. SPACE Motherfackers.

[Megatron08]

If multi disc are so bad it mean that the ps1 was the worse system ever invented. God what a piece a crap that was you know how many games on that system used multi dics. Sony should of never made a ps2 or a ps3 after that. All thoe multi disc games just proved that sony had no idea how to make a game system.

@decapitator they put monkeys in space to so whats your point ?

[Bangladesh]

MS had better be ponying up for that 3rd disc. I'm a fan of the 360, but if it hurts the game not having enough space. Then I'll add Rage to my small library of ps3 games.

[Playstation Man]

Back then the technology wasn't available to do it all in one disc. Instead, devs either were stuck with less capable carts or discs of only 800mb. Even back then games were like 1000-2500 mbs like MGS or FFs. Quite frankly, they had no choice BUT to do it.

Here, Blu-Ray offers an alternative. DVD9 does not. XBOX screwed up and fixed costs of production are down by not having to pay royalties for multi-dics on PS3. They don't have to compress for Blu-Ray. XBOX fails hard here.

[CrazzyMan]

and ps3 only 1,5 year on the market.)
PS3 is FUTUREPROOF.

Soon or later This would happen..)

p.s. @Kigmal http://www.gametrailers.com... =)

[jwatt]

youtube quality sucks but the game has lost and lots of textures in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Martini]

From quake con - Shane: "He says that from id's point of view, 360's hardware is superior to PS3's but that BluRay's capacity gives Sony's system an important edge, especially for large game worlds like Rage's."

Let's not forget that this fall 360 will be able to install the games onto the HDD so if MS loosens up the royalty per disc BS we might just get RAGE on 3-4 dvd's with the best console game performance on the superior hardware (360) - see quote.

All that MS needs to do is allow developers to use the HDD and as everyone knows this is coming in the fall update.

[CaptainHowdy]

Fascinating....xbox720, 2009

[Kaneda]

Yup! 720.. xbox owners will paying twice as much money for next gen console. :) IF they decide to buy 720.. :)

[Expy]

When Carmack says that it'll look worse if they have to compress it to 2 (TWO) DVDs -minimum- it will. He's a well enough respected developer and technology enthusiast that everyone who knows him wouldn't dare question his findings.

He admitted that at id software they prefer the 360 hardware because they find it more powerful, but he also admits that Blu-Ray is a big edge to the Playstation 3 platform for its obviously massive storage capacity.

He's saying it will look worse, it will, unless Microsoft does something about their storage issues... and their Core/Arcade bundles.

[thePatriot]

is a hardware problem, whats he talking about?
dvd is a problem
off to play eden

[Winter47th]

Looks like they weren't pissing around when they said the PS3 was future proof.

Now all the jokes about TeE CELL iz R POAHFULL r lolz blooray BS aTtACK iz WEEk POinT foR iz MassIVe DaMAGe are coming around to bite ya'll in the ass lol

And what digital distribution? if the DVDs can't handle the game, don't expect everyone with an Xbox360 to have a blazing fast internet connection to download an +8.5GB game, DT won't cut it and it's not the answer for embracing a last-gen format.

Stop kidding your self, jump Blu already.

[cahill]

a game on 3 DVD

Oh wait no i will have the ps3 version thanks

[morganfell]

@kigmal...pathetic. You were interested enough to post a reply.

http://battellemedia.com/im...

[AceLuby]

Dude, do you realize how much space a SINGLE DVD9 would take up, not to mention 3 or 4. 30GB for a single game is over 1/4 of the usable space of a 120GB drive going for, what $180?

[cmrbe]

I find it interesting that you forgot that millions of x360 don't have HD. Spin whatever way you want mate to make yourself feel better.

[The Lazy One]

THAT DUMB!

They'll probably end up paying id to put it on 3, because id has been an enormous supporter of the 360 over the PS3 in usability, and Rage is an amazingly beautiful and detailed game. I can't see M$ letting that go for the extra $1 max it would cost for an extra DVD.

[Alvadr]

PS3 version it is then =0)

[xhi4]

the great news of a good investment never ceases to satisfy me.

anyone want to buy my 360?

[beoulve]

Martini, Let's not forget about those with Hard disk but let's just totally forget about those without hard disk.

[godofthunder10]

i love the picture of br but i will never buy a player untill it's the main movie formate because i hate to buy anything that's made in Japan if i can,i try and buy American when i can.They were already polled and they claimed that they hate to buy any forign products because they like to support their own country and economy and they especialy hate to buy from the U.S.

I have respect for them because i understand their point.Japan wouldn't be the richest country in the world and have the strongest economy in the world if they bought products from other countries instead of their own.The U.S was the richest country at one time and had a strong economy untill people started buying Japans product.

The most disgusting thing that i've ever read on these sites are so called Americans wishing that a company from Japan beats one from the U.S and cause it to close down.These so called Americans are wishing that million of Americans lose their jobs and every thing that they own and hurt the American economy because they want Japan to beat us,all i could say is that if they claim that they are proud of and love the U.S,i hate to see if they don't.Their isn't one Japanese person that will wish that an American company beat any company in Japan because they have pride and respect for their country unlike some Americans.

I read how some Americans claim that they Japan buy American products.They claim that they buy American products like coke,burger king,and macdonalds.They are right but they have to buy from them.Japan don't have a different coke,macdonald,and burger king company that was started in Japan so they have know choice but to buy them if they like these products but if they did they wouldn't sell worth a sh*t.

Japan allows about 33% or more imports from the U.S then they export to it and that's a fact.The U.S been talking to them about it and said that it needs to be more even.

I'm proud of my country just like the Japanese are and like them i want pull against my country to lose to another country at anything.i will also buy as much products as i can from my country to help my country economy out just like they do.If people don't belive that when they buy forign products from other countries they are helping that country get richer and help their economy out and hurts the U.S economy out more then it help them then they need to read up on it.

When people buy products from a forign company instead of the U.S all it does is make the forign country stronger and america weaker and lose all kind of jobs for American workers.Before the U.S started letting Japan sell all their products over here it was the richest country in the world.Because the U.S let them sell their products here it isn't the richest country in the world,as a matter of fact it's #3 behind Japan and China.The U.S also had a strong economy,every one had a job and they had American companies opened up all over the world.When people stsrted buying products from Japan instead of the U.S it caused most of the companies to close down and millions of people lose their job and that's a fact.

They have other U.S companies in trouble now.They have chevrolet and ford that in troble now,as a matter of fact chevrolet was talking about going bankrupt because of slow sales.if this happens then The only choice we will have is to buy a forign car and on top of that they will have millions of more people lose their jobs because Americans refuse to buy American products to help they U.S out and that's a shame.Japan buy products from Japan because they understand what will happen if they don't and i respect them for that.

[spandexxking]

i think i just dropped a few IQ reading godofthunder's wall of text.

[Idonthatejustcreate]

HOW THE HELL are they gonna fit FFXIII on 2 discs on the xbox360???? It will more likely take around 4 discs for it plus compression to the fullest if not more.

Something is not right with FFXIII coming to the 360...

[SL1M DADDY]

2 discs? FFXIII? Even Lost Odyssey had 4 discs and that was with the UE3 engine powering the game. Yeah it looked nice but it was not what I have seen in the FFXIII trailers. My guess is that they are going to dumb down the game to fit on 4 discs or they are going to ship with a minimum of 6 discs. The DVD format is starting to become a dillema and we're only three years into the 360's life cycle.

[supahbad]

hahahahaha, it's guys like you the reason Al quaeda hates us, man i skimmed through that wall, and it had nothing to do with anything.

hey i was just wondering if you are a card carrying member of the border patrol. hahaha

[JsonHenry]

Well, I for one am thankful MS did not put HD-DVD in their 360 and make me pay an extra $100-150 at launch since it is a dead format. If it looks a little better on the PS3 then yay! for me. I own a PS3!

[jlemdon]

well they now have the option to install and it's still a problem?

c'mon Carmack you really want that 3rd disc, I guess the game is too big.

[Shroomy]

That sucks!

Oh well, I bought a new laptop for gaming at just the right time! :D

[Armyless]

You're going to install 18+GB of game data to a Hard Drive and you think you've solved the problem?

[Real Gambler]

It's been said already!

Yes they can install now (they had no choice to announce it at E3, otherwise they would not have got FF)

But please, explain how they will install 3 9gig dvds on an Arcade xbox (NO DRIVE). Even your Core 20 gig harddrive will become pretty thight soon no?. And for now the only choice is paying $200 for a bigger harddrive that should cost $60. (For $200 it should be 500gig minimum)

[thebudgetgamer]

we been on the short end of the stick in most cases now that the shoe is on the other foot you xbox owners know what weve been dealing with but stuff like this happens and to say it will not look as good doesnt mean it will be trash its not valve your dealing with

[shelbygt33]

Do you all feel validated? Your e-pride go up a notch? Yes? good, now go back to playing games.

[rroded]

This wouldnt b such an issue as a matter of fact if they had won the format war Sony would b the one hurting now...
Gotta admire Sony for the b/r win and a standard hd in every box.
Still cant understand what ms was thinking with a overpriced hddvd add on and no hd standard.

[Marojado]

PS3 owner, fan of overall gaming and all consoles. And to be honest i reckon the differences will be minute. Just like every other multi platform game that fanboys like to dissect. It works both ways, but at the end of the day, the graphics engine looks pretty sweet so i dont think anyone needs to worry.

[et617]

Your a fanboy if you say your not interested in Rage at all, it's beginning to gain hype and it does look awesome. Your pathetic in total if you never heard of id Software, especially if your a hardcore FPS gamer. Doom created a lot of trends for the FPS genre...

[mfwahwah]

"While allowing the game to be installed on the Xbox 360's harddrive may help, it actually wouldn't solve that problem, Hollenshead added."

Too bad installs won't help y'all out here.

[Ateanboy]

LOL! LOL!

DVD9 FOR THE WIN!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

But-- Huh-- Wha??? How is this possible? I thought "DVD9" was enough.

What a bunch of douche bags.

Sony Field Day FTW!!!!!!! Whoot!

There's nothing better than living long enough to see a company like Microsoft having to eat their own words....
And also the thousands of 360 fanboys that actually BELIEVE and DEFEND their every word...

Now what?

DVD9 enough? WRONG! Now pay for their damn 3rd disc!

I have limited computer hardware education, and even IIIIIIIII knew that Blu-Ray was the way to go and that Sony made the right investment.

And these GENIUSES at Microsoft Corporate managed to come upon the conclusion that DVD9 was more efficient than Blu-Ray!?!?!?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Sony Field Day FTW!!!!

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We sh*t- on u.

Sony sh*ts- on u.

Microsoft sh*ts- on u.

Ur being sh*ted on from all directions. Nowhere to hide. Nowhere to take cover. Just let it rain. Let the sh*t fall.

Learn from your mistake. Yes. Knowledge is key.
Learn from your MS's mistakes, 360 fanboy.
And come over to our side.
We have future-proof, better reliable hardware.

And we love you.

But until u change ur wicked ways and join us...the sh*t shall fall.
And fall it shall!
On this day!

Sony Field Day FTW!!!

[Mr BlueScreen]

Do I know you?
You sound like a friend of mine.
Anyways, I'm going to put this in the nicest way possible. godofthunder... Your stupid.
1. your way off topic
2. your racist
3. you have no idea what your talking about!

This guy is why Americans are seen as arrogant morons who don't go to school.

[Ogrekiller]

blah blah blah

[pwnsause]

"yea yea
blah blah blah"

deny it all you want but its been stated over and over and over again. Blu-ray is needed. it doesnt surprise me that a dev such as Carmack is stating this.

[Ogrekiller]

admittedly there's not much I can do to spin this. Better to take the lumps now than later.

[RonDeMuerte]

you keep supporting outdated hardware and technology while software continues to progress and expand........This just confirms what we've known all along......X-bots are stupid...and they hate change!! haha :)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yo mean like a slow Blu-Ray dive that forces you to install games, or how about that GPU and RAM problem?

:)

[silverchode]

the true outdated hardware is the one without built in wifi and has the need for multiple disks and comes with wired controllers :)

[juuken]

Jason, shut the hell up.

Didn't you get the memo?

THE 360 IS A LAST GEN CONSOLE. MICROSOFT EITHER NEEDS TO CHANGE THEIR TUNE OR SONY IS GOING TO BE TAKING UP SECOND PLACE IN NO TIME.

And installs are not slow moron. My installs take a few minutes and it'll only run slow because of a slow connection.

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[Homicide]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is freaking hilarious. Where are all the other bots? I rather have an install than having a game that looks worse.

The PS3 has a built in wifi, hd movie player and has HDD standard. For the 360, you need to purchase an add on for wifi, hd dvd (dead already), and arcade owners need to waste money on an overpriced HDD.

[pwnsause]

"Outdated hardware,
Yo mean like a slow Blu-Ray dive that forces you to install games, or how about that GPU and RAM problem?"

Do you see the PC streaming Games via DVD drive smallbrain? no it installs to the HDD in combination with running with the Disc drive. sorry to burst your bubble, look at the bright side at least you tried hard to get the fanboy of the week award lol.

BTW funny that you say a GPU and RAM problem, because that is the number one reason why you wont get games such as MGS4 or Killzone 2 or better yet, Heavy Rain, because the PS3 has a "Defect" as you say LMAO. you're so full of fail, go be fat somewhere else.

[zo6_lover27]

Bluray is faster than DVD, I have a link
http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

And you obviously don't know anything about the ps3's ram, the GPU has 512mb of ram, so does the CPU and Cell can function as a CPU and GPU.
Its semi complicated so I won't explain

[pwnsause]

Do some research about XDR ram before you go out and talk sh*t http://www.rambus.com/us/pr... thats what I did before I brought myself a PS3.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

360 = lack of storage, over heating in "older models" have been fixed

PS3 = lack of RAM, old GPU, slow Blu Drive, installs, and a CPU no one but Sony understands

Droids = doing what ever they can to deny the obvious RAM problem with the PS3<--- that sh!t is priceless

[pwnsause]

Keep the spin going, you know everyone here knows your dumb sack of S**t. looks like a dumb bot is in denial here folks.

ROFL: you are an uneducated brat. you didnt even went to read about XDR memory, you're such a failure.

[Playstation Man]

Um, RRoD'd 360s at E3 say no it hasn't been. The Hardware is still faulty crap.

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