Polygon: "The pieces are still in play, but as we watch them moving around the board, the strategy becomes clear: Microsoft no longer sees a distinction between gaming on Xbox One and Windows PC. And it doesn't want you to see one, either."
This is what I said that they should have done long ago. Like Valve attempted to do with the Steam machine, make Xbox and PC cross compatible. Then the install base isn't just the consoles, but millions of PCs as well, which makes devs happy, and the games are hardware scalable, which makes gamers happy. It's a win-win.
But this is exactly what they have been working on for years. Steve Ballmer started this and Windows 10 is the result. Code once across all platforms was a Ballmer thing that people are giving Nadella credit for. Just shows what a scam the market is actually. Nothing really changed in Microsoft policy but the stock price nearly doubled because they think one guy makes them feel good.
This "plan" to me ends with Microsoft exiting the console manufacturing business and going completely software focused in the future. Which means quite frankly that their titles could end up on all types of hardware, even Sony and Nintendo. Because if there is going to be little differentiation, and many xbox one titles will be made available for the pc market, what is the point of producing a console and associated hardware/peripherals at exorbitant manufacturing and r&d costs?
Maybe a lot of people can't afford a $1500 Pc , that's a good reason right there. Or thay could be like me , I have a laptop wich is fine for everything but gaming.
Getting what? What is he getting? The suspense is killing me!
...up for his morning cup of coffee!
STARTED... if that's will make you sleep better.
So basically I'm fine with the PC I have now and don't need a Xbox One?
Likely. They did hint at Gears 4 even coming to PC, looks like Phil wants PC to have MS's XONE titles. Good plan. Even if you don't buy an XONE, you'll end up on PC maybe buying one of their titles, so they are still getting paid vs you never buying the system thus not getting the game. Sorta a win win "When we say 'putting gamers at the center,' that's different than putting a piece of plastic or a specific device at the center." So its starting to sound like they don't want to keep making XONE exclusives to sell the box and just make games on both and focus on content on both XONE and PC. Its what many of us for a while now have been stating regarding their PC support. Good idea.
@Dragon- who said I didn't? The reality is, they are focusing on PC and XONE with software rather then "putting a piece of plastic or a specific device at the center" You techically can steal and hack really any console, the reality is, PC software makes them money, even if some steal, that doesn't just negate them making PC titles. Did they not have folks modding 360s? That is like saying...don't make console games bro, they mod them. lol They still must make money and making games on PC clearly is something they are seeking to do, they can't just be only on a "piece of plastic". That didn't help them last gen or the gen prior. They are looking to BANK this gen on software sales from console and PC and XONE hardware too. Sounds like a good plan. I mean....you say pirates are on PC as if they don't exist anywhere else lol, as if MS doesn't know that...I mean....yet they are actually they have more plans for XONE titles coming to PC.
But can't this be interpreted as MS dropping the Xbox as brand for consoles and little by little replace it for a PC brand?
This is not really dropping the Xbox, what its really doing is and quite clear is treating the Xbox One as just another Windows 10 device! This was how it was always going to end up being, Microsoft's Goal is not really about the game console market and promoting it, its about promotion of the windows OS ie: Microsoft's eco system and making sure it stays the center of the compute world and to make sure DirectX keeps developers and publishers as in like they already do ,tied to in the PC market to make sure the very same thing happens in the living room console space. It's not about the console space its about making sure Windows stays not just thedefacto OS for gaming for PC..but the game console market as well.
it's not about dropping the xbox brand, it's about expanding window services. just because apple does well on the iphone doesn't mean they will drop the ipad and computers/laptops. it's about expanding your ecosystem. playstation now by sony is also attempting this route. it takes a whole lot of money to research and develop a game console and the money isn't made off of the hardware. nintendo also partnered itself with DeNA as they too look at the future.
I like this direction towards PC gaming, bring it Microsoft!
Now bring back a proper MS flight simulator!
Future Headlines: Microsoft buys Steam
no need to buy xbone then for those who already has pc
I remember getting lots of disagrees when saying that about 2 years ago, funny how people can't disagree with that anymore.
Keep Xbox games Xbox, and PC games and PC. Halo Wars 2 and games like that can pass, but Gears 4, Halo 5, Scalebound, etc... keep em xbox.
Is he chewing tobacco in that picture?..
Ideally i want PC to Xbox streaming, more cross play and cross buy for multiplat games.
so you want pc to xbox but i'm sure you don't want it the other way around right.
We have Xbox to PC now, I am loving it works great on my main computer and htpcs, just need Xbox one wireless controller adapters now which comes in November.
Of course there's still a need for an xbox one, saying you only need a PC is ridiculous. The only games he's put on windows 10 so far have a history of PC, are a perfect fit or sold atrociously as launch games e.g RTS, F2P, Ryse You will not see a main halo game on PC. You will not see a main gears of war game on PC. You will not see a crackdown game on PC. Even new risky IPs like Recore and Scalebound are only on xbox one. I get the feeling people want all xbox one games on PC so they have bragging rights when most of them probably don't even have a PC capable enough to run them properly
Gears is already confirmed for PC FYI
Gears 1 only. Not 2, 3 or 4.
2 & 3 aren't even on XB1 yet. And 4 has been hinted at going to PC but isn't official yet. http://www.hardcoregamer.co...
You didn't read what I said. I said the only ones released on windows 10 'have a history on PC'. Gears 1 was on PC, therefore the remaster is also on PC. I was implying it will no longer be on PC. Halo 1 and 2 were also on PC
I think you're in for a rude awakening. It's going to start with games coming to PC after. But within the next year or two Xbox first party games will be day and date with PC.
Yup..the Xbox one is being treated as a media center PC.. Many, may say they are going to keep those Xbox exclusives to Xbox? You really think that's the way its going to be? Microsoft did not sell you strictly a game console it was a trojan horse for the Media Center PC. Remember many PC+Xbox games are seen as "Microsoft" exclusives! Than again what's the difference now? Makes the Xbox one less unique? How so ? Its a Windows 10 eco system device..the PC is a windows 10 Eco system devices. Microsoft has been telling Xbox is not a core part of Microsofts business. Did you think that was going to change their plan's?
Why does it matter to you, having more Xbox games to PC or vice versa isn't going to stop you from playing on your console or gaming pc if you are already invested in it, its only giving more choice to consumers. I fully support this and I have an X1 if it allows more cross platform games for me to play with my PC friends or vice versa what's the harm? MS own windows and Xbox they want to just intergrate it so when you think Xbox it means gaming on windows platforms so Xbox for console and windows for PC! Personally I wish you could play any game on any platform of your choice but that will never happen, but this is a good start!
Sounds like a potentially bad idea to me. Well not bad, but it depends on if you like change. I said it a long time ago. Why would anyone get a limited function Xbox when you can have a potentially unlimited PC if Xbox offers no exclusive draw? I can buy an HDMI and play my PC on the couch with a Xbox controller OR my kb and mouse. I have the best possible version of any Xbox major release and access to all features from Xbox live. This obviously won't end with the Xbox one. This is a future strategy. PC gamers will already have the Xbox one um... Two? Before the console even releases. Any features it has will be patched into whatever version of windows is out. It's better graphics will not rival what a PC and by then for cheap. Basically I think this could phase out the Xbox home console market IF Xbox gamers realize they would be missing nothing by playing on PC and gaining everything. Still play with your Xbox buds, still get in a party chat, still play the latest releases for Xbox without one. Plus steam. Plus origin. Plus blizzard. Plus LoL. To be honest I think they are grooming people to the Xbox on PC transition and then have no console OR make a steam machine like console for the next Xbox. It will not be a dedicated console. I think the outcome of this generation will strongly decide this. If the Playstation stretches it's legs and crushes the Xbox One over time, the Xbox "brand" may be moving to PC entirely. With steam machines out in the wild already, how many people do you know that own one? Microsoft could have the first successful one just by slapping "Xbox" on it.
"Why would anyone get a limited function Xbox when you can have a potentially unlimited PC if Xbox offers no exclusive draw?" I thought the same thing last year when I first heard those plans, but after some thought, it makes lots and lots of sense. MOST XB gamers are not buying Gears or Halo, in fact with 80 million units sold last gen, zero MS published title even had even 25% install base sales, ie no title for their system made by MS actually sold all or even a quarter of 360's sales. Though it might sound as if 80 million just play Forza, Halo, Fable and Gears....the numbers don't actually represent that, not even slightly. Its really showing that MOST gamers buy it for 3rd party games......3rd party games that can be found on PC and PS anyway. Thus....what are 80 million playing? They are playing games, period. You could buy a XONE to play certain titles that you love that don't need to be made by MS in general. Hell you could love COD and love the 360 controller paired with it. Don't let N4G gamers fool you bud, not ALL sales are due to exclusives. After much thought and reading, I think this makes lots and lots of sense. They are not going to sell more then Sony, they haven't for the last 2 gens and this gen the gap is even further.....why lose sales on PC titles to sell a console that would actually make you less? Mind you, its not even 100% certain that keeping them on XONE would even result in more sales ala my first point on 360's sales. We don't just have some 360 game that did 60 million or something lol. They'll be fine and I think this is a good move for them. They will get more software sales from this easily. I've yet to see any evidence that all 360 sales are due to MS's publishing.
@Deathdeliverer You're seriously overestimating console gamers' willingness to cross over to PC gaming. I'm an enthusiast PC gamer and even I know that many are never going to choose a PC over a console for gaming. If a mass exodus from consoles to PC was ever going to happen it would be happening right now, given the many objective advantages PC gaming offers. Do I see more people building custom PCs over time? Sure, it has already been happening. But I also know that many people will opt for a cheaper, more straightforward console experience. If the next Xbox and PC end up being able to play the same library of games across the board I can even see some PC gamers deciding to instead go with the Xbox, serving as a sort of affordable, streamlined mid-range gaming PC.
So they gave up and Sony won :)
If you have a stock in either company so no you won, but i bet 100$ you only live in your mom basement.
Sony didn't win, but They're literally kicking the console out of MS's vision.
"Sony didn't win" this is Quite True "They're literally kicking the console out of MS's vision." This I do not agree with. How is the Xbox one is still not a game console? The point is nothings really changed for Microsoft's Company doing this, the end user still has a console..is it a.console for gaming still? Yes Does it still have exclusives.. Yes So its still a console, Microsoft is trying to put the "term game console" under the Windows OS paradigm. Its again pushing the Windows OS eco system into the living room. As its always been the main goal! Microsoft's goal has not changed, its always about a "which ever company wins on an OS level controls the market" And they are not wrong! But , when another company is already working on the same goal, Ie: not talking about Sony in this case, and their OS is going into pretty much Ever newly produced smart TV's by many different companies but all running the same OS, Microsoft has their work cut out for them already, and now with Vulkan being Google's Android OS default Graphics Api Every consumer electronic not being powered by Windows or Apple in the consumer ectronics market like TV's smartphones, Tablets are many times already using the standard Android OS. Now will also use Vulkan for their graphics Api also. Its because of Android OS. And its adoption rate being so high in the consumer electronics market has been pushing Microsoft due to Android OS having an Eco system of its own. But is already being adopted on a larger scale in the consumer electronics market already even by Microsoft's direct opponent in the game console market. Xperia smartphones and tablets are.powered by Android, and since software and services of playstation also are being ported to Android OS its no wonder Microsoft is doing what they are doing.
last time i looked at the total revenue coming in microsoft is winning by a landslide and has been for quite awhile.
Long story short and without all the smoke and mirrors, you are correct. In terms of pure console gaming, Sony has officially won.
If you are only talking about gaming apple is winning . So many iPad's . Everyone I know has at least 1 or 2 iPads in there house , including myself , there are 4 in my house . And they are overpriced beyond belief . But the games are cheap so no one complains about spending money on them .
moldybread + 21m ago last time i looked at the total revenue coming in microsoft is winning by a landslide and has been for quite awhile. And? Just because Microsoft's coffers are that much more than Sony does not really matter all that much, when its not even really about Sony, its about an adoption of the default OS for the living Room, and again Microsoft knows this, and they know they are loosing this battle right now, if its not already lost already. Microsoft's presence in the living room is not going away, that's for sure, but on the same token, when the very goal of Microsoft's is also being contested on the very direction Microsoft is taking. This company that is in contention against Microsoft is not one single company its many of the largest in the electronics industry, and they do not want the living room computer entertainment market to end up as another clone of the PC market where only one OS , one Api is controlled by one company. This Android OS, and Vulkan Both of which are Open Standards You may say well Google is no better than Microsoft, well that maybe true, but on the same token Android OS is also not just controlled by Google, only its play store environment, but anyone can make and use the Android OS without Googles playstore being required. Amazon, and Samsung already do such, but the core OS is still Android ,is it a fork of Android yes, can you side loadvApps ..you betcha. Many companies choose to use the play store because of Google's support. Its not Sony vs Microsoft for the real control of the living room Its Windows 10 vs Android OS That's the real contest, one of which Microsoft's already loosing. All main of the largest TV manufacturer's are already committed to Android to be the default OS for TV's moving forward. Vulkan graphics Api is now going to be the default graphics Api for Android. And Microsoft will still gain a lot of cash for Android OS patent deals..so its free money for Microsoft anyway. But as for adoption of Windows 10 for the living room being the default Is, well let's just say Android OS has the commanding lead way above Microsoft, because Microsoft wants to put a windows 10 box under the TV android OS is already inside the TVs that are being produced going forward.
I like what u said no fighting this logic!!! I'd like so see MS do it thou, I'm excited to see what their going to bring to the table. I love android and microsoft atm I feel like their paving the way for next gen with open source hardware (android) and a connected interface for gaming and such with windows 10 and xbone (microsoft)
Is this idea profitable, seeing how they have to pay a percentage to these store sites online , the cost of their store . Factor in the BS sale , piracy , torrents. Where else money going to come from.
BEFORE YOU SAY FANBOY THE PS4 IS GOOD, But this is next gen to me.. Not better graphics. Cool ps4 has x86 arch and 3gb ddr5 and 2gb ddr3 with some other features but... Do I see them closing the line on Pc/Console gaming nope, Do I see them having amazing graphics? Yes but graphics don't make the game IMO the PS4 is more powerful at graphical things, But the cloud can close that as we have seen. I want to see PS doing stuff like this to because if they don't TO ME it feels like a upgraded ps3 with party chat, better graphics and a paid online service (It's a xbox360 on crack IMO) And if gaming goes in Playstation's favor I don't see to much changing over the next 10-15 years (The cod gen all over again) You know grinding on a yearly release game that never changes much but the graphics a little, And that's when gaming is going to die IMO, Like what are they gunna do replace our tv's with projectors (that is my only blow to sony in here) I dont see anything really "NEXTGEN" comming from sony and apparently gamers are ok with that, I for one am not ill play 30fps on 720p and still enjoy it as much as 60fps on 1080p on my pc. This is the CONSUMERS gen IMO, They want THE BEST PICTURE to play on possable and are willing to sacrafice good gameplay for it... its a shame :( and every month I feel apart of my childhood being ripped apart by sh*t like graphics...
To try to obliterate the distinction between an Xbox One and a low to mid end PC I take it. You could have made that distinction less by not skimping on the memory!
I've been wanting this for a long time.sadly the full reality of this is gong to take years .as it w8ll be a slow transition. So because of that I have bought a xbox one even though I love pc gaming. Until xbox is a full force brand thst has every 3rd party game that never sees the likes of pc. I habe to stick to both. Meaning until I see nhl and games like that on pc. So crappy reality is I have to spend more to enjoy steam like it's steam controller and buy a x console. Also looking forward to the new hardcore x comtroller. I think by the time my pc is filly out of date.this will be a full reality on pc and also.by that time I'll be able to buy a compact pc case that will easily run Hugh power parts
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