i don't think they realize how big the Fallout franchise really is. Good luck to them though!
Edit (My take on this):
Fallout as a franchise has been in hiatus since 2010. People WANT it and want it now. And like TR, it's getting marketed by MS. Its a win win for MS, but I think TR is gonna take a hit from people going for fallout that day. I get people have different game tastes and some will buy both. But with COD, Battlefront, and other big name titles (Halo 5, Forza) coming out the same time..people have to realize that not everyone can afford several games, yet alone more than one.
Which is why all they had to do was spread games throughout the year or next year by delaying or shortening the time to release. Not that hard of a concept. Some people like waiting 10+ months for new exclusive games I guess?
I think they are really shitting themselves about it to be honest. You would be if you are going against Fallout 4, a game which has been hyped up for years and finally gets announced with a release 5 months later.
Yet the Tomb Raider sequel has been hyped up for years and it's been shown off here and there. All we have on Fallout is what they showed us at E3 and yet people are going crazy for it. Look at the Pipboy edition for example...I'm surprised they haven't shown off a Tomb Raider Collectors Edition
I would move the release date, even by a few weeks after or before but it's like they either can't do that or want to look intimidated by it
"Rise of the Tomb Raider offers something completely different, says Brian Horton"
I don't think he gets that even if it offers something different people will always like the fact Fallout will keep you going for a long time, a single player only game while Tomb Raider will have the campaign then once you finish it that's it, the multiplayer will be there but I doubt it'll be that good or there's the collectibles
Good luck to them but they better not complain about sales afterwards because this is there own fault going head to head with it.
every year there is a lot more than one big game around that time of the year and they seem to do fine sales wise. it's why publishers continue to use that timeline to release big titles.
yet all of the sudden some people are acting 'worried'? but ask yourself, how many of these worried consumers have an xbox one or are even interested in getting an xbox one?
“We’re big fans of Fallout, it’s such a great game. But we believe we offer something completely different from a gaming experience point of view. We feel good about the date and the quality of the game will speak for itself,” Horton said to GamingBolt.
-Great to hear....I loved the reboot, finished it 100% complete again on X1, so on Nov 10 I'll be picking up ROTR for sure.
Unfortunately, this deal was a bad idea. The media will have a circus with the first week sales and there after just like they did with TitanFall. If it sells less than 1 million the first week not to mention first month, it will be considered a failure as it will be compared to the first games initial sales across all consoles(which was actually alot more than that). Then SE and MS will try ignorantly to spin it as a success because it will sell slightly more potentially across X1 and 360 this go around... If it doesn't do that, then it justifiably should be considered a failure. I think it will do better though.
The true examination won't come until after we at least get the initial sales from the PS4 version, which won't come for a long time, by then it won't matter whether it can be proved because it will be old news and no one will really care anymore.
MS real goal is to increase Sales on the PC though. Tomb Raider has also always been a PC game along with being a PS staple. Pointing out again that MS is shifting away from console to PC this whole deal makes alot more sense from their perspective. PS fans may not be quick to purchase an X1, but they don't have to, just purchase the PC version and MS has shifted market share away from PS.
If you are playing on a windows 10 machine, it means you are still a windows 10 user... and an MS user at that.
-lol, Yeah November always has a ton of big releases, yet most still do just fine.....but we all know its just a bunch of bitter ps fans acting as if both games can only be sold on that one day and then they are just removing ROTR from store shelves.
-As the dev said both games are totally different but not surprisingly suddenly TR is some 'meh game despite its own past sales success, 'nah TR isn't that good anymore, according to the usaul folks who troll X1 news= they're just JEALOUS.
It's America! Interest rates are systemically low, 401Ks have replaced pensions and the only way out of bubble economy is further spending (High living). That's how it's suppose to be, so Americans will have the money to spend. No doubt gaming industry still on the rise. I don't see an issue with spending for Halo 5 one month and then during Decemeber picking both fallout 4 (PC) and Tomb raider. So no worries for America.
If it doesn work out, some guy in a suit is getting fired.
Also think the Xbox One/PC version of the game is going to be fantastic! ;D
There is one major factor that puts ROTTR at a disadvantage to Fallout 4 at least sales wise. Fallout 4 will launch on PC,PS4 and XB1 where as ROTTR will launch only on XB1. Im no sales/marketing expert but to me that severly limits your sales potential.
If pre-orders and social media numbers are any indication Tomb Raider already lost that battle by a wide margin. Just to even think that they could go against Fallout just goes to show how out of touch they are with the gaming community.
You forget that this time around TR is a console time exclusive on a console that is not the leading console this gen. On top of it it is also not on the PC until later.
You people have seen what happened to Titanfall but at least Titanfall was on the PC same day.
So yes it is true that many games are released in the holidays and still do fine but most of those games are either established multiplat games like COD, AC or flagships like Halo or Uncharted. While TR is an establised francise it is not on a PS console or the PC same day like others.
Add the fact that TR always sell better on PS consoles and PC it boggles my mind how square would do such a deal.
Then the icing on the cake they release it same month as Fallout 4.
We are talking about Fallout here. A game that is second only to GTA is terms of sucking out the life of any games released near them.
I know. It's a battle they have already lost. Especially with the way xbone consumers don't really support games. Anything that isn't Halo just doesn't sell.
The numbers show this.
@Pistols.
And where is the proof of this? PS4's exclusives have been selling more than xbones in US. As have all the multiplats. Arkham knight even the Witcher which was marketed by MS. All sold far more on PS4 in the US.
World wide it's complete domination. Even call of duty is double the sales of Xbone.
@pistolsatdawn actually attach rates are extremely similar and every single game sells much, much more on PS4. Weird that your made up facts dont support the truth...
I don't know about lost. The PS3 ended up selling more units than the 360. The battle just begun, just as one mistake was Microsofts undoing Sony may well also make a mistake the become their undoing. All said and done the X1 being out sold 2:1 by a more expensive console is very very bad news. The troubling issue for me is that Microsoft have done every thing right to correct this ship but it just isn't working. I just don't know what they can possible do now, a wait and see approach to how the year end perhaps.
Look we all know that you have zero interest in owning an xb1 yet you continue coming into xbox articles just to push your crusade against anything xbox/ms related and where is you're proof that if it isn't Halo that it doesn't sell well as i seem to recall gta did well on xbox and that isn't halo
stop talking out your ass the xbox 360 sold 60 million more games than any other console last gen and that was with having the lowest sales of the three. Destiny even though it was the most marketed game by the ps4 last year still sold more globally on x1 then ps4
Well in slight defense of Rocket... VGChartz after a year only has FH barely clearing 1 million. Its first week sales were dismal, and total sales in the US is still only at 390k...
You may not like VGChartz numbers and I agree they aren't always accurate.. But, even given massive margins of Error... The game must have faired extremely poorly overall.. I think that is kind of undisputed at this point. I've only ever seen arguments about it actually being a fun game. Never see someone actually try to claim it sold well... I'm yet to see a stat that indicates it did..
Note that Drive club also considered to have been a flop released at slightly higher numbers and has now sold nearly double that of FH... Just for comparison's sake.
" Especially with the way xbone consumers don't really support games"
I think that's a bit harsh. Especially when comparing to 2 to 1 PS4 owners. Everything is going to sell more on PS4 most times. That doesn't mean that it won't sell at all. You are damnig the game before it even comes out. In your world, 2 consoles can't exist. It's only #1 or nothing. Unfortunately there are 13 million gamers and counting who disagree..
I love Fallout but I am definitely picking up RotTR as well. Im sure they both will do well regardless of which will sell more.
Fallout 4 will chew, spit out then rechew Rise of the Tombraider. I have the PC version and PS4 preordered and paid for, myself. That's already two sales! Lol.
Fallout 4 is going to sell millions and millions of copies and will destroy anything not COD or Halo. Skyrim sold 20 million not immediately but still 20 mil is a lot I think Fallout 4 will do even more, so anything from basically Oct to Jan better be ready or move out of the way. But ROTTR doesn't seem concerned and I have to believe like others have said they made their money from the MS deal and MS is most likely putting it there to try to sell consoles. Big publishers aren't interested in losing money so if anyone was losing money from this deal or release date, it wouldn't be there and the deal wouldn't have happened. People don't like to trust big publishers and I don't blame them but trust that if they're doing something they're probably not losing money lol.
Yeah trust MS...they bought Nokia for 7 billion and had to pretty much just eat the cost as it didn't even remotely turn a profit. They aren't made of unlimited money and if the xbox one as well as windows 10 don't turn out the numbers like they need to for revenue, then this isn't a sustainable business model and xbox one consumers will take a hit in some way. Regardless of how well it seems to be trucking along sales wise now.
@kaizokuspy did you just compare MS buying a one year exclusive deals for a game (after PS4 fanboys hounded every article for months saying X1 had no exclusives) to MS buying Nokia, a phone company, lol. Really? So me saying that SE wouldn't have made the deal, losing sales from the PS4 and PC if they weren't going to make money. Prompted 6 disagrees, and a reference to MS buying Nokia which has no effect on Xbox. I just stated a fact, apparently some people are blinded by fanboy glasses. SE didn't do this to spite PS4 owners, they have no stake in this stupid and childish console war people won't let go, they did it to make money, I won't have done it, but then again I don't know the inner workings of SE and MS wants exclusives, reasons for people to buy consoles they both got what they wanted evidently. Will it work in the long run for either, it in no way hurts MS, SE I don't know. People are just baffled by this deal still and while I don't agree with it(as an Xbox1 owner) I can say hmm maybe this is why they did it instead of sending death threats to them like immature, narrow minded, pieces of trash.(not saying anyone who disagreed with me did that lol)
It's not like the first one did gangbusters on the 360. People aren't really frothing at the mouth for the new one. And SE killed what little excitement they had when they announced the PC version for early 2016 and PS4 later in the year. Couple all that with the deluge of big franchise games coming out at the same time and it doesn't bode well for TR.
Of course they know how big of a franchise Fallout is. But whats wrong with saying their ready take on Fallout? Should they say oh no we have no chance. Even if it was multiplatform it would still have no chance against Fallout but that's okay because people the experiences will be different and each will have a spot in my collection.
sorry did I miss the announcement of Microsoft marketing fallout 4? does this mean ps4 and pc owners also have to wait to get the dlc expanion packs like fallout 3 and fallout new vegas?
I was hoping that fallout 4 would just stay neutral and even if they do sign the marketing deal, I was hoping the dlc expanions would release on all platforms at the same time.
but anyway on topic
does this even matter? square Enix has most likely already made the money from Microsoft deal so everything else is just the icing on the cake
many will buy both and play tomb raider first , it will be a shorter game than fallout 4 so finish it than take your time with fallout 4. the real question would be for those who can only afford or have time for one
I believe many go for value and fallout 4 will have way more content Than tomb raider.
but like I said square Enix isn't worried cause Microsoft took care money already
and in classic square Enix fashion they will be able to double dip. sell the game now at 60 than in a year sell the GOTY edition for 60 again to ps4 and pc owners as well as releasing it again for Xbox one
they did it with last tomb raider released it on ps3 and Xbox 360 than on ps4 and Xbox one
i think they are seeing all these games this year break sales records and think they can replicate that but they couldn't be more wrong. they have annoyed every fanbase for example by delaying the PC and PS4 version people don't want to buy it because they feel disrespected. the Xbox owners are also annoyed because its announced its not a real exclusive. then the release date is same as Fallout 4. they are having a laugh if they think Xbox owners will buy Tomb Raider over Halo 5 and Fallout.
If an Xbox owner is annoyed and doesn't buy Tomb Raider solely because its not a real exclusive, then they are gaming for all the wrong reasons. But I'm pretty sure you don't speak for the Xbox fanbase.
@spacedelete no Xbox fan is mad because it's not a true exclusive none. ROTTR doesn't need to "break sales records" because MS already gave SE a bunch of money. So SE made money from the exclusive deals, they'll make money when the game releases on X1, and then they'll make money when it releases on PC and PS4 and they'll probably do DLC or Complete Edition with all the DLC. So all in all they'll probably as much if not more money than they did with the reboot.
I cant stand the fact that they have this much confidence with this game. It's not just fallout 4 there going up against not sure why everyone is talking about just this one game. Call of duty,Assassins Creed,Star Wars Battlefront,Halo5 ect. Im sorry but Fallout 4 will be the least of its problems. I hope it does well but there are way to many great games coming out in between launches.
What's your point? All of those games are going up against each other by that logic. Can only one "win" and the rest must sell terribly? Tomb Raider is a major franchise. It might not be the biggest game releasing this holiday season, but it doesn't need to be.
Personally, if the PC version was releasing this holiday season I would get that before any of those other games. I loved the Tomb Raider reboot.
Every game coming out that month (rather in the fall/winter) is taking a hit really.
FO4, TR, MGS, Halo, AC, CoD, Battlefront, Just Cause, Mad Max, Forza, Uncharted Col and etc are all competing with each other.
Most are trying to cash in on a holiday deal/bundle/Christmas/New Year present and so on. As stated, most only have money for one or two and picking between them is the hard choice (you have limited money (which can be gained) but we all have limited time to play them... which makes the choice even harder).
There's a reason games such as the Witcher/Batman/Bloodborne sold so much (and cont. they all have over 3+ mil now) in a week? Because they had lil to no competition in their release window.
I dont think you realize how big Tomb Raider is. Either way if you own a X1 you can get both. Both will sell well because of one key factor. There both different games.
@Army_of_Darkness I see what your saying I'm not a big fan of fallout but I would never say a game from a different gore is better than another. For me I'm going to look at getting TR over Fall out but that's because Fall out is not my type of game.
It will be interesting to see how TR sells though with some other big name games only weeks apart. For me if a game is good I want it to sell well not matter if I like it or not as good games deserve good sales and last gen we saw some games like Alan Wake, Split/Second etc suffer poor sales but the games were very good.
Everyone who Knocks TombRaider selling on the same day as Fallout is just trying to downplay how incredible it is to have two great games on the same day. In my opinion I am purchasing both but TombRaider will be my first pick.
If you're gonna reply to my comment then actually read it. Instead you make a statement that I clearly addressed in regards to people being able to buy more than 1 game.
Everyone is knocking it because Fallout is a far bigger game than TR. To say that TR will sell well with Battlefront, Halo, Fallout and more is the most ridiculous thing anyone can say. It doesn't take a genius to understand and see that.
"To say that TR will sell well with Battlefront, Halo, Fallout and more is the most ridiculous thing anyone can say. It doesn't take a genius to understand and see that."
First I never said TR will sell well or bad you did. But if you are cherry picking then you should say all games will have problems with the incredible line up and sales of all games should be affected. You cherry picking TR shows more fanboyism then real concerns.
Lmao! You're telling me I'm cherry picking yet you completely ignore the main point of my reply to your comment. That's cherry picking. Adding my take on why people are saying that TR is going to do alright is not cherry picking.
Yep, I'm looking forward to both. I am lucky enough that I will be picking up Fallout 4 for PS4 and ROTTR for XB1 at the same time. The hard part for me will be deciding how to split my limited gaming time between them.
Two completely different game but each cost $60. Most consumers don't that luxury of being able to afford two games especially since time to play games is finite regardless if you own both. I will buy Tomb Raider but i feel Fallout will be the very clear winner in sales by a mile.
I'll be buying my Xbox One alongside Tomb Raider! I played a bit of Fallout 3 on PS3 but I couldn't get in to it. It was the same with Oblivion. The genre just isn't for me.
The problem comes down to market oversaturation on the Xbox side due to them releasing all their heavy hitters in the span of 2 months. The music genre of games died off eventually because of oversaturation on the market year after year with new expensive peripherals losing many peoples interest quickly.
I can bet you by december we'll be seeing NPD results with less than favorable numbers for the Xbox. Not terrible or bad just not good.
Yeah because they totally don't have to compete with Fallout 4, Star wars Battlefront, Mad max, Just cause 3, Black ops 3, R6: Siege, MGS5, AC: syndicate, and the many other niche/AA titles spread out in between those. The sad part is we know that all those games will sell much higher on the PS4 then the xbox if the trend for the last 2 years is anything to go by.
The only thing the Xbox might sell better in is console sales but A. It's most likely going to be only outselling in the U.S. alone versus worldwide. B. It's only going to outsell by a small amount. C. It's only going to sell well during the desperation attempts they may pull like last year but end up losing more in the long run anyway.
The simple fact that articles about Xbox doing better than PS4 in anything are the highlight of the day just shows you how rare that is. Stay delusional.
Games don't become unplayable a week or two after release. Some people buy games 6 months later and it still feels new to them. Some people will get gift cards for games. Some people will get gifts from different family members during the holiday. There is no real rush. These games don't have expiration dates.
True and good comment aceitman. I'll bet most fans will be purchasing both titles come launch day. Gaming is a very expensive hobby, and most 'actual' Gamer's didn't get into it to be 'Cheap'.
Sure Fall Out 4 will obliterate TR sales, but that doesn't mean TR won't have respectable sales of its own. I know one thing ...If TR does not do the numbers Sq. Enix expect, this will be the last Timed Exclusivity deal on Xbox. Rightly so, I loathe Timed Multiplats on any platform.
If that's the case then THIS site should be banned. It's funny how the countless sites biased for PS4 and against X1 get no mention like this...but the ONE site that tends to look at the positive aspects of X1 more than the negatives and it's "burn them" on this site....smh
If you don't like them don't read articles from them simple, everybody throw the "they should be banned" phrase around but that just means I don't like their opinion because it's different then mine. There's always going to be bias, a reviewer/gaming site/YouTuber can try to be as unbiased as possible but it isn't always easy and I think could cause them to be less passionate if they try to hard to do everything as unbiased as possible ignoring what genre/system whatever they like, though you have to make sure you don't get fanboy blinders on which happens more often then people would like. And @pistol is right(I don't know which console you have but i assume it's PS since you upset at an Xbox biased site) but the industry is hugely biased to PS4 in terms of sites and reviewers that's just fact and if you (possibly a PS fan) can't admit that then your guilty of the same thing your complaining about this site for. All you have to do is look at a site like metacritic. Within the first week the Witcher III had over 40 reviews for the PS4 at a 92, but the Xbox1 version, a version which plays exactly the same, had only 4 reviews, those numbers are obviously different now but that happens with a lot of games on metacritic and that's just one example of PS4 bias.
@PistolsAtDawn I said any site, not just this one. And N4G is just a news portal, not a site like gamingbolt or any other dedicated gaming journalism website.
I'm buying both on launch day. These are two of my most anticipated games and I doubt that either will disappoint. Regardless of any sales mumbo jumbo.
I also plan to get both but ill be going with TR first.hopefully I'll be done with it and Halo 5 campaign before jumping on Fallout 4 and probably Starwars.
To be fair nothing you say can really be taken seriously. If Microsoft had an exclusive version of Peggle you be here saying how you'd buy that before Fallout.
But the thing is I actually don't care what you or others like you think :) I spend my time and money on what i like not what others think i should like,ok? and by the way i love Peggle, it's an awesome game. :)
I'm doing the same and I'm going to play Tomb Raider first as that game can probably be finished in a few days. Then it will be on to Fallout 4, which will takes 100's of hours to complete. It's obvious that Fallout 4 will sell more units as it's on more platforms and it's easily more anticipated since there hasn't been a Fallout games in the last 4 years. That doesn't mean that Tomb Raider won't sell a couple million itself before the dust has cleared.
Fallout 4 and xcom2 and Battlefront all in the same month. Tomb Raider can wait till it is in the bargain bin against those odds. even xcom 2 and battlefront won't be day 1 purchases because of fallout. Yes some can afford more than 1 game, but there is also the cost of time. I know Fallout is going to monopolize my time so why even bother picking up others until I have beaten fallout.
or you could be smart and buy Fallout 4 day 1 and wait for Tomb Raider to hit the bargain bins. Tomb Raider won't even last you a weekend. Fallout is a game people play for years.
Luckily for me, BOTH games look amazing and I'll be playing the crap out of both...I plan for Fallout 4 to eat up more of my time, so I'll probably go through TR first.
Same here. Not like I cant have both this fall. For an xbox gamer its just a matter of taste and how many games you can afford this fall. I can see myself buying 8-12 games easily.Im certainly not short of money.
I think TR will do fine. Its not like everybody is into 30+ hour RPGs. Especially not the casuals who will be buying the likes of COD. They will find TRs hollywood set pieces and more linear but faster paced gameplay. They are not even the same style of game. And TR has more of a commercial appeal anyway. Either way Ill be getting both on my XB1 this fall.
Jeez...it must take a really bitter person to downvote this comment....on a gaming site, someone is happy about gaming....quick downvote them.
The headline for this article is a bit misleading though This quote "“We’re big fans of Fallout, it’s such a great game. But we believe we offer something completely different from a gaming experience point of view. We feel good about the date and the quality of the game will speak for itself,” Sounds more like what this article was about....not so much that they are "taking Fallout on" more that they just feel they have something different to offer.
How in the hell can it take it on? 70 percent of the market won't be able to buy it?
Fallout 4 will absolutely obliterate ROTR in sales this fall because people will be buying it on the...
Xbox One, PS4, and PC.
As others have said, there's a good shot Fallout 4 will outsell ROTR on the Xbox One alone.
Don't forget alot of people will also be picking up Halo (since it'll only be like 2 weeks old), MGS:TPP, and a little further down the line there will be Star Wars Battlefront, CoD:BlopsIII, Rainbow Six: Siege, etc, etc.
It's a shame though, despite this tough lineup they actually would of lucked out since Uncharted 4 is their most direct competitor and that got pushed back, so they screwed that up as now it'll release on the PS4 against a discounted Uncharted 4 (since it'll be out 6 months).
It doesn't exactly always matter the quality of the game, in many cases, it's the timing and circumstances revolving around its release that is the main determinent of how well a game sells. Many games have found themselves in bad circumstances and it's hurt them big time.
On that front Square Enix screwed the pooch, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Though, because it is Tomb Raider, I suspect it'll turn out ok. But it WILL have a massive impact, because 7 out of 10 sales, if not 8 or more out of 10, won't be happening when it releases because of the decisions they made.
Well good luck. If it was releasing on all three platforms at once, it wouldn't be that bad. As it is now, it's not just Fallout 4, ROTTR is surrounded by bigger games which will have much more marketing. Only way I see the game not suffering much is by bundle or giving it away by buying FO4 on XBO.
Has nothing to do with being made of money. Every time multiple games release on the same day we get this crap. Not everyone likes the same thing. I have zero interest in Fallout. Easy choice for me. Some have none in TR. Some will want both, & get both.
Why do guys feel like u have to pay for the game or have the money for it the exact same day it releases...heck i already pre-odered digital halo and paid for it way in advance...
The release dates for these games are not secrets u know way ahead when its coming and if u cant spontaneous buy games on the spot u have a long time to save up for them geez
Games do not expire if u cant afford a certain quantity of games when they release there is not a time period stopping a person to get it in the future...why does everything have to be so complicated...?
These two games are not competing against each other...they are two completely different games from different genre they both will have their audiences(an in some cases the audience will intercept like in my case that likes both) and give xbox one owners greater options as follows: 1) buy tomb raider 2) buy fallout 4 3) buy both 4) buy none
Those that dont have an xbox only have option 2 and 4
Exactly. And I tire of this notion that nobody can afford games. We all bought $300-400 systems, but all of a sudden nobody budgets for games. We can't save knowing months in advance when games are due, or trade stuff we no longer play.
The real issues here is that one game is only available on that console that we dont talk about around here on n4g.... Remember ppl had lots to say about fallout 4 looking bland and last gen with low res textures....but because now its being talked about with TR fallout is god sent.....smh
Its not just these 2 games releasing on the same day that is the factor. Its the fact there are about 8-9 big games hitting in about a 3 month period. Majority of those are arguably bigger than Tomb Raider
This reminds me of the Alan Wake vs Red Dead days. As great as Tomb Raider could be, it's only on 2 platforms vs 3 for Fallout. It may get lost in the Fallout hype. Why not delay the launch until early December? TR wouldn't be in the shadow of Fallout or Battlefront--which launches a week after--and Black Friday sales should see a boost in Xbox One owners.
Anyways, I can't wait for both Fallout and Tomb Raider.
It's like comparing apples and oranges , I'm sure both games will be awesome. But let's talk about bang for your buck, the first Tomb Raider ,after the reboot, took me 12 to 16 hours to finish while Fallout 3 with all side quest has me at 100+ hours. Fallout 4 and Xenoblade Chronicles X will keep me busy throughout the holidays : )
Quality wise Tomb Raider is going to destroy Fallout 4! Bethesda has always been known for quantity over quality in their games and Fallout will be no different. That's why I'm getting Tomb raider on release to beat it first while they work out all the kinks and bugs in Fallout 4.
You have to love the optimism here...sorry but TR is going head to head with Fallout 4 a HUGE franchise that everyone has been waiting to get a hold of. Second and more importantly TR is limiting itself sales wise due to launching on ONLY the XB1 the console that has a 10 million deficit to the PS4. Third and most important Fallout 4 is available for PS4 XB1 AND PC so that right there obliterates any chance of TR trying to gain any ground. I have to agree with some of the other people on here who said Fallout 4 will propably sell more on XB1 than TR as well. Then again, what else did you really expect this guy to say?
I am willing to bet my house in that TR will never take on Fallout 4 and these are the main reasons:
1) Tomb Raider is a franchise that has always sell more on playstation. They do not has the PS4 big market to count on.
2) Tomb Raider will be releasing in the xbox one smaller market as an exclusive while Fallout 4 will be releasing multiplatform and I am pretty sure PS4 version of Fallout 4 single handedly will surpass those of Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 on xbox one combined.
3) The hype for Fallout 4 is way bigger than TR. People were waiting for Fallout 4 for years.
Well said. Getting both at midnight launch. It is like killing 2 birds with one stone. Xb1 fans will enjoy both games as the holidays starts in November all the way to Christmas so it really doesn't matter if both are release on the same day, unlike most of the year. From Black Friday till Christmas is when most games are sold for these Fall releases...the reality for the haters to think about about why big AAA games are all mostly release during this time of year.
Choice is always good, but for me I'm happy putting all my attention into FO4 this holiday season and then next year I'll rent (I'm not going to support companies that block games for platforms that were already in development) TR with all the overpriced DLC included.
Well you aren't going to get any likes saying things like that. Don't you know TR sucks now. Anything we can do to make it sound horrible or pale in comparison we support. It helps me deal with all the anger inside for not being able to play it on my PS4. Oh wait... I have both. Nevermind...
I doubt it. Tomb Raider sold around 8.5 million copies when it was multi-plat. Fallout 3 sold over 9 million. By their stupid exclusivity deal, they've shot themselves in the foot in terms of sales, so it's not going to stack up.
Honestly, aside from Metal Gear Solid V, nothing else can really compete with Fallout 4. I'm looking forward to the next call of duty and metal gear, but Fallout is going to no doubt be game of the year unless their launch is a huge flop (which I highly doubt.)
I don't know if its GOTY status is so set in stone (it has to compete with Bloodborne, The Witcher III - that we know of so far, and then the unreleased MGSV and Battlefront), but I'm sure it will be nominated without a hitch!
You're totally right. So many big games coming up, I completely forgot about Bloodborne and the Witcher.
Regardless of which game wins GOTY, this is a HUGE step up for the PS4 and XBO games since their conception.
We've been asking ourselves, when are the big games going to be here? And finally, they're starting to roll in.
With that said, if the publisher/developer of Tomb Raider believe their game is a GOTY contender, then by all means, make the best game you can so everyone who plays will truly enjoy it. That's what its all about right? The only thing I feel holding Tomb Raider back is the exclusivity on XBO.
Especially for PS4, PC, AND X1 owners. When claiming that you are one for being impartial, make sure to actually BE impartial. ;)
@ StrayaKNT: Not that it's a bad line-up, per se, but this line-up looks rather familiar. Halo, Forza, Gears, with a little Tomb Raider sprinkled in. It's a good line-up, for certain, but nothing Earth-shattering.
I'm pretty sure through time this game will sell well most people will be busy with fallout but i'm sure many people will be playing more than one game at a time.
I will be getting Tomb Raider day one not really a big fan of the fallout games.Still don't know why people keep comparing 2 different games though?My guess is since Tomb Raider is exclusive to Xbox all the sony fanboys are coming come out as always on a Xbox exclusive
As great as Tomb Raider is, it's got nothing on Fallout 4.
So many Fallout fans have been waiting for years for this game, and there are tons of them in existence. This isn't an insult to Tomb Raider. Uncharted would suffer the same fate if it were released next to the goliath that is Fallout 4.
I'm sorry, i'm not gonna buy an Xbox One just for TR. I'm gonna buy Fallout 4 an enjoy the crap out of it.
It just doesn't make sense for me. Don't underestimate Fallouts popularity.
Also, I'm interested how the whole TR launch is gonna be like. If Witcher 3 sold more on PS4 even though being marketed by MS, I wonder how sales will reflect ALONGSIDE Fallout.
Sales wise Fallout will blow Tomb Raider out of the water..quality wise may be where Tomb Raider shines. I haven't seen anything from fallout that warrants the hype around it.
When you really think about it, there are a slew of games coming out in the months before it (September onward). It all depends on how often people are buying games. I'd like Rise of the Tomb Raider to do very well--better than Fallout 4 if I'm being honest--but there's just too much competition if we're being realistic.
Things Microsoft did right: calling for Halo V to release before this game so they could bolster Xbox One sales.
Things Microsoft did wrong: They could have easily moved the game further into the holiday season. October into November is incredibly hectic. As far as games you can't get on any other platform, Halo V, Forza 6, and Rise of the Tomb Raider are definitely standouts...but in terms of what people are actually going to be playing (because deep down, a lot of us are budget gamers), they're going to choose the contingency: Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, and Activision games. Of the exclusives, Halo is going to be the big one that's going to take everyone's time. It will undoubtedly move Xbox Ones; every Halo game does.
In short, I'm doubting Microsoft is going to see great new console sales for Tomb Raider. And many of the big games are also coming to PS4. Halo V will probably shift a good 1-2 million over the holiday season, but I'm a little iffy about Forza since we've had 2 releases on Xbox One and, while selling well, haven't exactly done well in "closing the gap" with regard to sales.
Microsoft definitely has a great holiday ahead, but they really need to plan their release windows better.
Not only is this releasing along with Fallout 4, but COD and Battlefront as well. I'll be surprised if TR initially sells well(it may in the long run).
I think it'll do well over its life, but I also don't think anyone's buying an Xbox One for Tomb Raider. We should also consider that the reboot sold as well as it did with a pretty large install base. I'm not sure the current install base will take much interest. Fortunately, it can call upon the Xbox 360 to bolster sales. Anyone who hasn't upgraded from Xbox 360 will actually have great incentive to buy the game (assuming the quality is comparable since they're being handled by different studios).
More than anything, I just want Microsoft to fix Windows 10. It's a bloody headache.
True. Especially since it is only a timed exclusive. I think those are a big waste of money for a company to throw cash at. If Microsoft wanted to really make a impact, they should've dug deeper in their wallet and made it a exclusive period. That would've made a statement. Timed isn't really going to sell systems imo. Like Bioshock for the 360. My xbox360 case for Bioshock says "only on xbox" on the left corner.Guess what, it's now available on PS3.
I'm looking forward to both of them, so I don't really care to see them compete, rather both succeed with tremendous sales. I remember playing the first Tomb Raider on my SAturn. Loved it! There were some bad ones along the way, especially the Dreamcast ones. Ever since Underworld, they've been heading in the right direction. Loved the last one also.
The timing for Tomb Raider on PC at least is impeccable. I'll be playing fallout 4 the entire holiday and then I can get my Tomb raider fix when it releases early 2016 on Pc
TOmb Raider definitive edition was on of the first games I got to showcase the power of my new Gtx 970, boy was I impressed with how good it looked. I never was a Tomb Raider fan growing up but that game completely changed it - I guess it being similiar to Unchartered, my favourite franchise from the previous console gen helped alot. But this game has some great features of its own, like being open world and you being able to select perks for your character. I have no doubt this is going to be even better
Maybe over time this Tomb Raider will do ok in terms of sales but there's no way it will even come anywhere close to competing with Fallout. To many things stacked against it not the least of which is the idiotic timed exclusivity deal that will ultimately come back to bite them in the ass.
Well known IP on Xbox versus well known IP on Xbox.
Fallout and Tomb Raider are different enough in genre, but seriously, Bloodborne versus Tomb Raider?
Though it's more popular than before, it's still catered to a particular type of gamer. Comparing the sales of two just because they're exclusives is pretty weak.
Fallout versus Tomb Raider is a pretty ideal indication because the install base is equal on Xbox One, they're coming out the same day, and we'll have a better understanding of what Xbox consumer interest is like collectively.
If the game was out on PS4 it would still be a bad decision bringing it out the same time as Fallout 4.
This game just can't compete with Fallout 4.
Actually the delayed release date on ps4 will probably help the game sell better on ps4 unless they make the mistake of bringing it out the same time as Uncharted 4
What realistically can gta or red dead maybe, I am not sure if uncharted or halo have that much pull despite being the flagship title for each system.
It is an already in a stacked time period, and it is a cross gen title. I honestly did not expect any more cross gen games, at least not big budget games.
Japanese rpgs and the like it makes sense, tomb raider not so much.
In my opinion it has nothing to do with the quality or perceived popularity of the titles, it has everything to do with time.
There are so many games releasing from the end of August onwards that even the wealthiest of consumer will pick and choose which titles they want to play more.
Will there be people who buy both Fallout and TombRaider? Of course there will, but there will be just as many (probably more) who will have just bought HALO, Forza and, in Europe, FIFA which is a huge juggernaut of a title. They will also have an eye on the likes of Battlefront and Assassins Creed etc.
All of these games are a huge time commitment and for most people it will be a case of finding time to play maybe 2 or 3 titles from a selection of 20 or more rather than being constrained by finances etc.
Personally, I dont know what to do. Uncharted Collection will be irresistible to me but I want to play pretty much everything so I have tough choices to make. Even August is packed with GalakZ, Until Dawn and Gears of War, I am excited to try my first Forza title since Forza 3, I cannot wait to play Fallout, Tomb Raider, Just Cause, FIFA, Battlefront and about 10 other titles.
I'm sure the deal was originally made cause Square Enix don't have faith in it. They would have been up against Sony's Uncharted 4, which Sony would have pushed more in advertising, so the deal was struck for it to be X1 exclusive for a year, to help tide it over until the following year when Uncharted wouldn't be much competition for PS4 sales.
November is always a dumping ground for massive games, so Tomb Raider would already be up against a lot of competition. But I don't think Fallout 4 needs to be singled out here as what could hold back Tomb Raider from hitting the top spot. If it's a good game then X1 players will buy it. But the exclusivity deal has completely destroyed its chances of being successful in such a popular multi-platform game selling month..
The reboot was fantastic and I think ROTTR will do well. Obviously, it won't do as well as it could have releasing on just one console at this time, but that will have to be a lesson learned for SE.
all I know is tomb raider blew me away, knocked my socks off from the online with the traps and zip lines, to the amazing campaign experience. I woulda missed this game if not for ps+(ps3) now I own both definitive editions on ps4 and xboxone midnight release here I come.
Like usual peoples on this site make arguments based on their wishes and beliefs instead of a logical view of a company.
1) SE isn't competing on who sell more copy of the game on day 1 , they are putting the product out for the windows of Black Friday.
2) Fallout 4 and Tomb Raiders are to completely different experience. Sure some peoples might like both but it's not a major aspect when distributing a product.
3) Moving your release date in a short time frame is making a statement to your providers and potential buyers that you are doubting the product quality of your product, meaning a lower order from your distributors who will stack less copies or your game.
4) There's a reasons for this deal with MS and no Square won't regret it. SE goal is simple, position TR as a ultra major AAA franchise. something possible with the marketing power of MS (the proof is the fact that this game already had more exposure compare to the previous one)
Wait. After all this bullshit about MS wasting $10 million for a year long exclusivity deal, to "compete with Sony's Uncharted franchise", they are totally just going to shoot themselves in the foot by releasing it the same day as Fallout 4? Holy hell, these guys not only appear to love flushing money down the toilet, but they are also complete morons.
i don't think they realize how big the Fallout franchise really is. Good luck to them though!
Edit (My take on this):
Fallout as a franchise has been in hiatus since 2010. People WANT it and want it now. And like TR, it's getting marketed by MS. Its a win win for MS, but I think TR is gonna take a hit from people going for fallout that day. I get people have different game tastes and some will buy both. But with COD, Battlefront, and other big name titles (Halo 5, Forza) coming out the same time..people have to realize that not everyone can afford several games, yet alone more than one.
Which is why all they had to do was spread games throughout the year or next year by delaying or shortening the time to release. Not that hard of a concept. Some people like waiting 10+ months for new exclusive games I guess?
Two completely different games.
That said, hopefully those two games are amazing.
Buying both but I'm going to have to work out a schedule to play them both at the same time...
Oh look at the headline , that just comes from Gamingbolt lol
Yeah well good luck I guess, I wouldn't go up against Fallout 4