The advisory firm Digi-Capital thinks that Nintendo may pursue a "blue ocean" strategy with "social" VR and AR games.
This would be a fascinating play for Nintendo.
I actually said Nintendo nx might be a virtual reality thingy ages ago. Be crazy if I was right .. Definitely a possibility.
Nintendo gotta make a powerful machine and support 3rd party games if they wanna beat Sony and Microsoft but I dont believe they will and I dont think they want to do that . They seem to be pretty comfortable being a family company make their own games and money on the DS and sell toys. I hope they make a great console because as an industry we need Nintendo to be around.
Even if they do get all the same third party multiplats as the others, what makes you think non-Nintendo gamers will suddenly get an NX for the exact same games they already own on PS4 and XBone? Just having those games won't increase the userbase. They need EXCLUSIVES from those big name third parties on top of the multiplats, or they'll just fail to sell again.
There's more market out there. A PS4 - Xbox One owner won't have a reason to buy a new Nintendo console just for the same third party games they can already have on those consoles, you're right, but there's still people out there that haven't upgraded, and I'd say there's a lot of them. This generation is quite young, after all. If Nintendo does actually dare to release the NX next year, as unlikely as it may sound, they could have a chance to get their own piece of pie of the current generation that they missed with the Wii U. A lot of late adopters may prefer a NX instead of a PS4 / X1 because of Nintendo's exclusives.
I get where you're coming from, Dani, but what evidence is there that most of the people who haven't upgraded are waiting on the NX? I don't think brand loyalties are that easily broken, so I have doubts that those who are waiting to upgrade are even considering an NX.
There's no evidence for that. It would be a bet. Something Nintendo isn't unfamiliar with. :P
wait since when was Nintendo goal was to beat Sony and Microsoft? Since when was it microsoft or sony too?
Since sony and Microsoft started making videogames?
so you're telling me Nintendo primary goal of existing in the gaming industry is to defeat Sony and Microsoft just like them too but it's not to create games? This gaming community only cares about console wars, who winning the race and all these irrelevant stuff. Instead of worrying about the product they are buying from these companies. SMH
Sony and Oculus better make a VR bowling game quick! :P
Please Nintendo. Just make a console, AT LEAST, up to par with the xbox one. I'm sick of all the gimmicks, and i'm sick of backing you first every time, only to be disappointed by the power of the system, lack of third party support, and the inevitable disrespect you receive from a community that is trying its hardest to love you. Its time you listened to what I want for a change, rather than assuming that I'll like something else. You know what assuming does...
Their next consoles needs to be more power than the PS4.
This I agree with. 3.2 GFLOPS would be nice.
The AMD deal they recently made came along with a statement that it will not be as powerful as the PS4 or even the Xb1.
I think nintendo is going to merge their handheld & console lines. There's a lot of confusion by casual game consumers that the wii u gamepad is a handheld or that it can just be purchased to upgrade a wii to a wii u. If they release the nx for 400$ & nintendo fans are getting their handheld & home console in one box it will sell well maybe not as well as the wii but well. I'm all for their next handheld to be a single touch screen & rid of the 3d mode. If its powerful enough to emulate wii u games, it'll be more powerful than the ps4 or xbox one which makes sense since it'd be releasing half way through those systems life cycles.
How does being able to emulate Wii U games, make it more powerful than the PS4 or XB1... I won't say that it won't be more powerful but no specs are available to compare yet.
To emulate a piece of hardware, the emulating hardware needs to be much, much more powerful than the hardware it's trying to emulate. This is a basic emulation rule. So, if a new Nintendo console emulates Wii U games, instead of running them natively because of similar architecture, then yeah... you can bet it would be way more powerful than a PS4. A PS4 isn't capable of emulating Wii U games. That being said, I don't think even high end computers can emulate Wii U games right now. Last I checked, there was still serious trouble emulating PS3, so forget about Wii U. Nintendo's next console, no matter how powerful it is, won't be able to emulate Wii U games. Either it has a similar but improved architecture that allows for native backwards compatibility, or they lose it completely. It's as simple as that.
Thanks for the info...
A 3-4 TFlop console in 2016 on the new double jump node could easily be put into a $399 console, perhaps even $349. People need to understand, a $400 PC card next year, and no later then 2017 will have >15 Tflop performance. You can already get 8.5 for $650, and they'll be able to EASILY double that on the new 16nm node. Expect the Titan to be north of 25 TFlops, and some PC's on the new node to be ~100 TFlops. That 1.3 and 1.8 doesn't look too powerful do they? Nintendo, if they want, can jump on in and take advantage of the interplay between Sony and Microsoft making weak console and the new tech node jump. The question is... will they? Personally I think the NX is simply a handheld and regular console, that operates separately (and bought separately) like normal BUT can dock together for certain synergies, with the handheld coming first, and the console coming fall 2016, or more likely sometime in 2017.
A VR/AR thing for the WiiU is a lot more interesting and original speculation that the misinformed haters ranting about a next gen consoles next summer... I could get behind this theory but fact is we still know NOTHING and won't until next year.
You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe this. AR & VR as an OPTION is one thing, much like how 3D is an OPTION for the 3DS, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PC. Some people want to use that option, some don't. Nintendo would be extremely stupid to fully base their next system on AR or VR simply because: 1) Some simply won't want to use it 2) The tech causes issues for other users And 3) Parents in particular want control over what content their children are using Not to mention coupling truly workable AR or VR would add to the cost of a base system simply because they need their own innards for a really workable experience that doesn't tax the system much. They've already seen this with WiiU in particular, having the system do all the processing for the GamePad. To fix this now would require releasing a new self powered version of the GamePad which frankly would cost the consumer a pretty penny and may not garner support. Rather people like it or not this is fact: The WiiU GamePad being released in the form it's in was Nintendos biggest mistake. By doing so they instantly took away half of the power the system has which could be a lot more beneficial all around if they'd have went with a fully capable GamePad that did its own processing and didn't rely or tax the system as much as it does. The cost would be higher as a result but it'd be much more capable of delivering experiences people truly want and yearn for. Before someone simply hits disagree consider this. If the GamePad was more in line with something like a fully functioning tablet still keeping the sticks and features it has, what kind of a result would it have? Using two GamePads wouldn't be such an issue then and developers would benefit from the resources the current GamePad takes away. The possibility of using the GamePad farther away from the system would be opened up. The possible results would be much greater than they are now.
I agree with you mostly, however I am pretty sure the Wii U rendering something twice doesn't cut the power in half. It is not actually processing it twice. Also not all games US the gamepad. If a developer wanted they could have nothing being displayed on it, if it caused an issue.
But it is rendering the game then sending that feed to the GamePad wirelessly while taking communication from the same GamePad. The GamePad itself is merely sending input from itself to the console and using the console to do all the grunt work. We also know still that the WiiU has 2GB of RAM with one being reserved for the system and the same tasks. We also know that the OS gets put into a hibernation sort of state while running games or tasks. We also know the same OS itself takes up trivial amounts of resources, needing much less than the 1GB it has reserved. To add to this we know from Nintendo itself that by enabling two GamePads the capability of 60fps is cut in half to 30fps and the examples given was for things like off screen maps, play calling in things such as football titles, or smaller tasks like that. They did not outline the possibility of off screen play on two GamePads. http://wiiudaily.com/wii-u-... Wish I could find it again but they also said after launch this would be the case and looked to use 3DS as a second controller instead as it is more viable and wouldn't have the same drawbacks as two WiiU GamePads at once. All of this points to what kind of resources are needed simply to run the GamePad and namely for Off TV play. The other thing I'd state simply is if developers are going to simply black out WiiU GamePad screens so they can use more than one what is the point at that point as then they're just using the GamePad as a standard controller and nothing more? Isn't it supposed to be a large part and draw of the system then if this is what developers resort to how many people are going to buy an unknown priced GamePad which will definitely cost more than a standard controller when at that point they'll be doing the exact same thing? Acting as a controller.
Based on what I've heard about the Nx, I doubt it would be vr. It sounds like it's going to be a cheaper device, and for VR, you want something powerful.
Maybe that's y Reggie keeps blasting vr tech... To fool everyone... Who knows who cares
Very Good analyst indeed. I was thinking the same for Nintendo NX. I think Nintendo will make the NX a VR portable system because it gives them more control over the gaming mobile market they already have control of anyways. Nintendo pretty much own the gaming mobile market so it makes much sense for them to go in to VR mobile because the VR mobile market will most like likely have less competition there. Not to mention,Sony VR won't be a threat to NX VR since its a VR hardware work around design to begin with. Work a round hardware will never give you the fullness of hardware power no matter how you spin it. And, if the NX turn out to be a mobile VR system it will have the best of both world, console VR and mobile VR because NX will be built from the ground up using the latest tech in computer technology. I believe the reason why Nintendo said VR isn't fun because of the control schemes they witness on other VR peripheral like oculus. I have never tried out any of the VR HMD before but from what I seen in recent demos tells me there something missing in the way it plays.Imo I think an extra shoulder button should be added to the control schemes of VR to make sharp turn even tighter. Sort of like F-Zero but tighter. With the shoulder button added, one can fight in 3rd person view much easier and have fun. You can also fight off foes with your back turned in the opposite direction with the shoulder button. Also, This can also be used to go down looping stairways much easier as well. just my 2 cents.
Forgot to mention make the shoulder button analog that can be switched on or off.
It def sounds plausible, they said that it is supposed to be a "third pillar" system like the DS was so I'm thinking it isn't the successor to wii u (which is why they will still support wii u after the Nx) because of a few rumors. 1. It's going to be a "cheap" system 2. It's not gonna be as powerful as ps4/one (makes sense since it's not a successor and wouldn't be counted as a 9th gen system) 3. If it comes out in 2016 like rumors suggest, then it won't break their 'new gen system every 5 years' (and cause it's a "third pillar") 4. (This is an opinion and I'm hopeful) while I enjoy their systems and the new ways they let us play games, I'm thinking the NX will be their "experimental"/ new concept console, while they make a "traditional" console to succeed the wii u and to try and win back old and new fans and get third parties back on board. I think it would be a great idea, because then they could have 3 seperate systems to cater to different audiences.
Plus, going mobile gamers won't be too fussy about power either.
I'm sorry but iwata said it was going to be a completely new concept as in New and not something that has been done before and vr is not a new concept Nintendo messed with it back with the virtual boy so I don't believe it will have anything to do with vr
You're absolutely right. He said they weren't releasing any information because they didn't want their competition to steal their ideas. If it is just some for of AR or VR why be worried. The other competition already has those types of things coming.
Maybe a wireless VR system where a base is used to stream 3D visuals into upto 4 VR headsets so that people can play in the same room virtually. I'm also fine with a normal traditional console as long as it's powerful and the first party games go back to being not kiddy like in the 90's.
Has everyone lost their minds? How many times did Iwata and or Reggie say that VR was not appealing to them what so ever? MANY times. VR is the furthest thing from Ninty's mind right now. This will never happen.
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