PES 2016 Jumps From 720p to 1080p Thanks to New Xbox One SDK, MGSV May See Similar Results

GameRevolution: "More than four weeks ago gaming website Gamekyo posted information regarding their discussion with Konami's Julien Merceron, a technology director who has spent a great deal of time working on the Fox Engine. Among the details shared was something that seemed almost too good to be true at the time. Merceron stated that due to Microsoft's release of a new Xbox One SDK, Konami development members were able to improve the presentation of this year's Metal Gear Solid and Pro Evolution Soccer releases, jumping from their prior 720p resolution to a staggering 1080p."

[MCTJim]

Alright then. Sounds like it helped them to optimize

and: http://www.vg247.com/2015/0...

[umair_s51]

I heard that V is already 1080p on xbox one

[Genuine-User]

It will most probably be around the 900p mark.

[umair_s51]

1080p

[Genuine-User]

I highly doubt that. 900p at 60fps is a safe bet.

Edit: @umair_s51 There's a rational technical explanation. I can provide it to you if you want.

@Rookie_Monster

I did not provide false information. I referenced what NXGamer had said. When he corrected, I did the same.

Have a look people:

http://n4g.com/news/1761012...

I will speak my mind, and I don't care if I'm proven wrong. I'll be glad if MGSV turns out to run at 1080p at 60fps on Xbox One. But I highly doubt it.

Finally, stop lying about and be on your merry way.

[umair_s51]

keep doubting

[Rookie_Monster]

@Genuine-User,

"How on earth can anyone dissect my comment to be that of a troll is beyond me."

Arn't you the same guy that posted false information about Rise of the Tomb Raider being 900p but it was in fact 1080p?

I think you had a history of such thing with these stealthy posts and that is probably why. Also I think MGSV might already be 1080p on XB1 already according to the same person that was being asked in this article and did the same on a month ago about MGSV.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...
"great info is that both games, PeS16 and MGSV, on Xbox One will be in 1080p/60fps. We heard that by Julien Merceron, involved in the development of Konami's Fox Engine. Thanks to the new SDK, developers were able to upgrade low resolution textures to high definition ones. Ground Zeroes and Pes 2015 were both 720p resolution on Xbox One."

The bottom line is stop saying 900p in many of these xbox articles as it might come back to bite you in the end. I recommend doing some research before posting next time. :)

[Genuine-User]

@Rookie Monster

I did not provide false information. I referenced what NXGamer had said. When he got corrected, I did the same; and further mentioned he should have pixel counted.

Have a look:
http://n4g.com/news/1761012...

Quit asking me to do some research whilst you're continuously lying and trolling at present and have done so in the past.

I will speak my mind. I'll be glad if MGSV runs at 1080p and 60fps on the Xbox One. But I highly doubt it.

Finally, stop lying about people and be on your merry way.

[Letthewookiewin]

Umair- it's not confirmed, I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions over this yet. The title doesn't match what is actually said.

[umair_s51]

@Letthewookiewin When did I say it was confirmed mate?
@Genuine-User Do you know it is 900p? Are you in the development team ?

EDIT
@Letthewookiewin I said no such thing, as for your source I will believe you when I see evidence. Till then keep this to your self

[gamer9]

Genuine-User what’s with all the X1 hate? You are on all of the pro-X1 articles downplaying anything positive. I hope you’re having fun because all you are doing is making the other side of the gaming nation think you are a complete tool. I for one am sick of seeing your comments and wish you’d go home to PS4 already.

[Letthewookiewin]

Umair- Might as well have said it. I'm letting you know that a credible source has not confirmed that it is 1080p on Xbox. When you say you've "heard something" it means you believe it to be true enough to repeat.

Edit: Ya you did. You said it in comment #1.3, that "You heard it was 1080p", but it's ok, the frustration makes things all foggy and that comment was sooooo long ago you forgot. Just buy a PS4, then you won't hate the little black box so much.

[donthate]

It sounds like more and more games are now running 1080p on Xbox One. I don't care as long as it is a stable frame rate at least 30fps.

BUT man, is this a huge improvement. A lot of people doubted DX12, and report after report we keep getting extremely good news.

I think this is emotionally hard for some fanatic gamers. We already see plenty of that above my comment.

http://www.quickmeme.com/im...

:D

[flyingwombat33]

Am I the only one who's amazed that it's running at 1080p and 60fps on either system? Sure, it's cross-gen, but not even GTA5 pulled that off on the new systems. I find it a little audacious for anyone to claim "No way they'll get it to 1080p 60fps on Xbox" when I kind of can't believe they're doing that on the PS4. There is not that much of a power difference and the PS4 usually struggles to run games at 1080p 60fps. Hopefully they get it there on the One as well!

[GameNameFame]

@Above

I guess 40% is not really a big power difference. /s.

Project Car dev deliberately said they went out and try to optimize on newest SDK update of xbox.

Guess what? Still 900P. And guess what PS4 got even bigger boost than X1. Yea PS4 apparently got optimized too. It just seems that PS4 owners are not that desperate to call some minor update secret sauce. LOL.

and lets not forget about all these other new games with newest SDK update still not being able to hit 1080P.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

Project Car dev even announced. 1080P on X1 early, but couldnt pull it off and resort back to 900P.

[flyingwombat33]

@GNF relax, no one is contesting that the ps4 has a significant advantage in the gpu arena, which is why it's had way less trouble running things in 1080p, but 40% is a very arbitrary numeric selection. The Ps4 is a technically superior machine when it comes to running actual games, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that it's far superior in terms of its core design capabilities. It could be argued that in terms of memory and what the machines can handle in off-screen calculations, they're identical. Ps4 just has a superior GPU which is one of three core tenants in terms of design.

That's not really my point though: I just don't doubt that they May be able to get it working in light of the technical achievements they've already demonstrated. Can you name one other open world game that runs at 60fps on the Ps4? They killed it with this New engine.

EDIT: Full disclosure, I was under an incorrect impression in terms of the ram differences between the machines, I did not know the Xbone was running DDR3 instead of 5, which is a significant difference. The number 40% now seems a little less outlandish although still arbitrary. Sorry, I do not have an Xbone and was under a different understanding in terms of the RAM specs. My core point still stands about MGSV and the Fox engine though.

[tuglu_pati]

@GameNameFame

The funny thing is, people always say racing games are less demanding trying to downplay Forza series being 1080p 60FPS, but its the genre that is truly showing the difference in power between this two consoles.

[Gazondaily]

I don't really care for PES but hey, any improvement is good, DX12 or not. Let's hope MGS benefits from this kind of boost.

[AndrewLB]

@Gamenamefame

You guys keep confusing 40% (maximum theoretical) with the real world difference in performance which is much less than 40%.

And I hate to break it to you, but NONE of the games currently available for you to play are running DirectX 12 API. And do you even know what an SDK is?
It's a software development kit provided to developers which has all kinds of tools and resources that help implement an API's features into a game. The level of success in utilizing newer SDK's has a lot to do with it's compatibility with the game engine itself. Many games currently running DX 11 cannot simply be updated to DX12 through the DX12 SDK because shader engines are simply not compatible without major rework of said engine.

[Genuine-User]

Fanboys have had field day on this page. Only Further proving my point that liars can get away with almost anything if it favours the hive mind.

Bubbling up Rookie's comment even after his lie was exposed shows the true nature of fanboys that override most social graces.

I can easily go into Rookie's comment history and shame him in front of everyone, but I won't. I have been falsely accused of worse things by much better people.

@gamer9

There's no hate. I'm a multiplatform gamer, I play where the games are. However, we all have preferences, and so do I.

You're wrong, I don't intentionally go to pro-X1 articles and downplaying stuff. I'm simply voicing my opinion, I'm not here to please fanboys.

I have clearly said that I'm glad with all the upgrades to PES, and hope to see the same for MGSV. However, I do believe MGSV won't go above 900p due to the hardware constrains.

People are too damn sensitive and can't take any criticism. These companies are not feeding your children, you don't owe them anything.

@AndrewLB

"You guys keep confusing 40% (maximum theoretical) with the real world difference in performance which is much less than 40%."

Wait, what? This is a new form of spinning lol

Far too many games that showcase the power difference, it's even more obvious with first party titles:

Batman: Arkham Knight
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor
Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition
Mortal Kombat X
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Metro Redux
COD Advanced Warfare
Far Cry 4
Watch Dogs
Battlefield Hardline
Project Cars
Dying Light
Lords of the Fallen
Wolfenstein
Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare
Evolve

Should I go on?

[ZhukNasimPog]

It's my understanding that Ps4 tends to have the higher resolution while xbox holds a more stable and sometime higher framerate

[CernaML]

Then you are not paying enough attention.

PS4 usually has the higher resolution AND better frame rate. Very rarely does the X1 have a better frame rate even at a lower resolution

[DLConspiracy]

Hey that's my avatar.

[gfk342]

@CernaML is right
@shloodbmm3 is wrong

Only 2-3 games perform better on X1, while in the rest of the games:
- in ALL the games (with some minor exceptions) the PS4 version either has a better resolution or better performancd;
- in the majority of the games the PS4 version has better visuals AND better performance (Dying Light, Project cars, F12015, Batman AK etc).

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[GameNameFame]

@sbloom.

Wow denial is strong.

[lipton101]

I feel like the difference is neglegable. To the untrained eye they'll look practically the same anyway. If the One is somebody's console of choice, they deserve the same quality as anyone else considering how similar the guts of the consoles are. I take no joy in the whole graphics parity argument between the consoles - I feel it's a null point that's put in the spotlight to drum up clicks and emotions.

[dantesparda]

@MCTJim

The Wicther 3 news is old and everybody knows that the game DOES NOT, I repeat DOES NOT, run at 1080p while playing only on the title screen and some cutscenes. That's it. Fact!

"Xbox One's curious dynamic resolution also shows no gains in holding a genuine 1080p during open-world travel or combat - it continues to upscale from a lower resolution." (Its the 7th paragraph).
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Or read the older DF Face-off articles and the technical analyses articles they'll tell you the same thing.

[MCTJim]

yeah, I realize that. My comment and link were just directed at the 720p in the original article the author had written saying it was 720p(the witcher) when in fact it was not. He did indeed correct it, but I could not edit my comment to reflect that he edited his article.

[krypt1983]

and who cares because playing the games side by side the diff is negligible and will only be noticed by a hardcore techie or a rabid fanboy who breaks it down frame by frame and is mad because they could only afford one piece of plastic and they have to keep telling proving to their self they bought the right piece of plastic. While the real gamers are playing games and enjoying them ...

[dantesparda]

@krypt

Guy, that came off like some serious angry fanboy tirade. But I own both consoles and still speak facts not fanboy opinions.

[Nick_The_Slick]

Lol. Xbox article brings all the ps4 trolls in. Funny.

[pivotplease]

Can afford them all and I did buy both. That's why I have a PS4 and Wii U.

/s

But seriously Xbox and PS4 are so similar in terms of multiplats and even hardware that I could never justify owning both. I just went where the majority of the exclusives will be by the end of the generation (indie and AAA). Not a fan of games trickling off after 3 or 4 years and that's why I'm upset with this NX situation.

[Ezz2013]

People are really making this much of a deal over a PES going from 720p to 1080p ?!

It's a football game.....It's not a graphics powehouse to begin with.

[Sweep14]

Blatant PR stunt here :PES XB1 is 1360x1080 which is barely above 900P. It's not 1920x1080

[dantesparda]

^

Wow, talk about snakes, I hate PR.

[Borma]

Crazy we are past halfway through 2015 and the top story is a game reaching 1080p on Xbone. Does this also mean PS4 already had a DirectX 12 like SDK since the beginning? Both consoles confirmed to be Big Macs with the special sauce.

[Christopher]

My only concern here is that they were at 720p for so long. I'd imagine 900p wouldn't have been any problem to hit.

Congrats on getting to 1080p.

[Sweep14]

Except it's not : PES 2016 on XB1 is 1360x1080. That's barely above 900P (1600x900) and is NOT native 1080P (1920x1080) like on PS4. Great PR stunt.

[IrishSt0ner]

@Sweep14 - It would be really cool if you looked at links before commenting:

Adam Bhatti: "Xbox One #PES2016 will be 1080p"
yewles1: "You mean FULL 1080p or 1360x1080?"
Adam Bhatti: "1360x1080 is not 1080p."

[Eonjay]

This story contain several errors:

1. There is no mention of DX12. Meaning that it could have been bumped up simply by optimizing. All the tweet says is
"We got there thankfully, Xbox One #PES2016 will be 1080p"

2. The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt is NOT 720p on Xbox One.

[JonnyBigBoss]

1. This isn't an error.

2. Simple mistake. Sentence removed. Thanks.

[RocketScienceLvlStuf]

"This isn't an error".

No it's just you making up sh*t.

[Aenea]

Why is 1. not an error? The article only mentions a new Xbox One SDK helped them, is that the DirectX 12 SDK they used? The Tweet doesn't mention any SDK even.

[n4rc]

Well if dx12 is part of the new SDK.. Its not really a stretch to link the two

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Glad to see X1 improving nonetheless. This is only good for all gamers at the end of the day.

[Kayant]

Like Thief framerate was... ;)

[rainslacker]

@n4rc

Think the point is that no SDK was mentioned as being responsible by the dev. It's a reasonable conclusion, as you say, but the author of the article is the one making the assumption this is the reason for this jump.

All the dev said was they got it to 1080p, so a lot of the discussion is based on an assumption which may or may not be true.

I'd also imagine most people didn't read past the headline to even be able to make a reasonable argument anyhow, and just jump straight to "praise be unto DX12 and MS" like these things do.

[n4rc]

fair enough... just saw the SDK mentioned in the article (i did read it!! lol.. but not the sources for it) but guess i wasnt really paying attention to who was making that claim lol

[Letthewookiewin]

Hold on Eonjay your breaking hearts right now by actually reading the article. I feel another Dx12 Project Cars fiasco coming. Put away your party hats kids. MGS is still 720p till confirmed and it's a completely different animal than a soccer game.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Come on 1080p MGSV!

[Rookie_Monster]

this same guy said back in Jun that MGSV is indeed 1080p now. Don't know if that will hold true comes release but it is looking pretty good.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

[kaizokuspy]

I believe it will be 1080p and 60fps for both platforms. I clicked your link rookie, but it just kind of seems everyone there assumes the sdk is dx12 related....maybe it is idk, but they said it allowed them to upgrade low resolution textures, to high resolution ones. Couldn't the achieve that without dx12 in the sdk?

[Letthewookiewin]

Big Boss just get it on PS4 if 1080p means that much to you, then you won't have to post BS titles and grasp at straws.

[rainslacker]

I'd welcome it for every game on every system if possible.:)

[christocolus]

Its nice to see more devs optimizing their code and getting more familiar with the hardware. Great job Konami. Hope MGS:TPP follows suit.

[HaydenJameSmith]

Any improvement is a welcome improvement. Hope it runs at the full 1080p 60fps too...

[christocolus]

Agreed. 720p to 1080p is a pretty big improvement and besides Halo 5 basically all 2015 exclusives have been confirmed to run at same 1080p resolution. Gears UE, TR, Forza 6, Fable Legends..also Fallout4 a multiplat game is running at 1080p. Definitely a welcome improvement especially for those worried about res.

[HaydenJameSmith]

@Chris

Yes completely agree, I don't know why anyone would disagree with that but this is N4G after all. But yes Fallout 4 and MGS5 (two big multiplats this year) both running at 1080p (one confirmed) on the Xbox One should say a lot about the improvements the console has went true. I think most of us were expecting the first party games to run at full resolution.

[TheCommentator]

The fidelity gap continues to narrow as DX12 gets introduced. (Go figure, since the system was designed around it.) When native DX12 engines are out many people here are going to cry that XB1 is doing even more things that aren't possible. If this idea seems too far fetched to believe based on data sheets or if you still think XB1 is just off the shelf parts, then explain how BC works or how it runs hevc when the others can't!

[AngelicIceDiamond]

These improvements are wonderful. One of the main reason why I want these games to be 1080p on X1 is so we can stop the useless argument. I still don't care either way. But the fighting over pixel superiority is pointless and stupid. We can move to the WAY more important things like making sure these games that are in glorious 1080p, are either, living up to the hype, Have good DLC practice, and actually works at launch.

[Fro_xoxo]

The hardware struggles will soon be a thing of the past as we move forward.

There will be many more improvements being made to games.

More improvements beyond pixels.

All thanks to the PC-Like nature.

Dat familiarity.

XO.

[tuglu_pati]

I disagree, games will became more demanding and something got to give.

[ThePope]

Nothing gave last gen.

[akaFullMetal]

That's great, we shouldn't be seeing 720p games at all this gen.

[brainfart]

Yes

[Scottyxboxoneandps4]

Wow!! This is actually big news coming from the devs that seemed to have the biggest problem with res on the x1. Exciting stuff...

[urwifeminder]

Will not play either of these games but its great they have worked on optimizing, good news for fans of these games.

[MasterCornholio]

I remember that someone told me once that when they made the Fox Engine they didn't have a good idea on what the XB1 specs would be like. So they developed the engine based on what the PC and PS4s were like. This would explain the difficulty's of running the engine on the XB1 plus the poor SDK was also at fault.

Fast forward to today and they managed to update their engine and the SDK is much better than before. The result is that Fox Engine games will run much better on the XB1 than before.

I'm glad that the developers managed to solve the problem that they had. Its great to see them deliver 1080P games to the system. Hopefully MGSV will run at 1080P on the X1.

[dreadz74]

XB1 continues to improve real gamers must be impressed with this. 720p to 1080p is a big jump . Tomb raider 1080p too just revealed shows that XB1 was really gimped by its api and tools new SDK giving such a boost is welcomed. To think DX12 is not even being used yet only up from here for XB1..

[Nick_The_Slick]

First Tomb Raider was 1080 on the X1 too, except for the cutscenes. Although this one does look better...

[generalthadeape]

Good on Microsoft & Xbox One.

They have a lot of ground to cover and it's really nice to see these improvements steadily releasing one right after another.

Keep 'em coming boys-- keep 'em coming!

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Just love amount of salt in this thread. Any improvement for the Xbox One is immediately met with pure angst, shock, hate, etc. go look at how angry people are on the Tomb Raider. People are blisteringly mad....oh how can this be!!!! The sauce is real lol

[FreddyFazbear]

Ahh, so this is the guy who said PS3 won 3rd place. No wonder you would say that. The denial and ignorance is real LOL!!

[ilikepizza]

The ps3 did come in dead last.... What made it worst was coming off the huge success of the ps2 and the mild success of the o.g Xbox. Sony was all but primed to kill anything moving till they got cocky and told you next gen starts when they say so also you'll need to 2 jobs for this console lol. Got a real reality check when you let Xbox take a 20% market share to a 80% in the u.s even now it's nearly 50/50 the holidays will see Xbox at 60/40

[SonofGod]

Had a feeling RocketScience and Geniune-User would be here

[RiseofScorpio]

He claims he's a huge Halo fan yet the only thing he's ever talked about is the pixel count on Halo 5, Genuine Pony.

[poor_cus_of_games]

Lol that irony.

[ocelot07]

Was the PC version also not 720p for 2015?

[IrishSt0ner]

PES2015 ran at the native desktop resolution (instead of native monitor) so some users experienced the issue of only having 720p as their maximum setting. Once they changed their desktop resolution to 1920x1080 the game allowed 1080p.

Simply the developers fault for not using the monitor to set the default resolution.

FFXIII had a locked 720p framerate on PC (had to be circumvented by editing settings files).

Resolution and framerate locks are practically non-existent on PC games for obvious reasons, on the rare occassion these 'locks' are present.. it's always a game ported from console.

[Keregan]

Old news, the dev already stated both these games were running at 1080p/60 fps

[kenwonobi]

Ok well when many Xbox One games start doing this then I will listen. Right now its more blah blah blah DX12 cloud improvements for years now.

[solar]

A STAGGERING 1080P!!! LoL!!

[gamerben]

so uhhh... MGSV is gonna support DX12 on PC too right? right?

[flyingwombat33]

I don't know about that for sure, but I imagine it will be a pretty cutting edge port. I don't have a powerhouse PC, but when I saw the difference between Ground Zeroes PS4 and PC Ultra (just in 1080p, not 4k as I do not have a 4k television) I got seriously jealous. It looks WAY better. Since then, The Phantom Pain has grown to look much, much better on the consoles, so I imagine that folks with kickass PC rigs are in for quite a treat with the Phantom Pain.

[DarXyde]

That's cool. Don't really play PES and I'm PlayStation all the way on anything that is a Kojima-made Metal Gear Solid, but it does show that there is a lot to be gained by the optimizations.

41 days!

[Paleblood]

Judging by previous analysis on 1080p titles on x1 including Digital Foundry, the problem with this is the things that must be sacrificed in order to achieve 1080p on x1. For example the shadows, weather systems etc etc

Maybe if they just go with 900p they can find a balance.

[gamer9]

I agree, i actually wish all X1 games were 900p

[DragonbornZ]

I'm not sure why the tile mentions direct 12. I thought the fox engine had some type of bottleneck with the X1 esram, which has been fixed, allowing them to achieve better performance and res. If this is the case nothing should've had to be sacrificed to achieve 1080p 60fps with the games.
But I dunno, maybe they did mention dx12 & the sdk somewhere, which im sure has helped anyways.
This info is kinda weird tho.

[ScorpiusX]

Very nice , not that it mattered to me as long that both games are fun .

[Izzy408]

PS fanboys will not be happy.

[poor_cus_of_games]

Why? Ps4 not only puts out a higher resolution, it also performs better.

[Izzy408]

Sometimes, yes. But in the cases that it does perform better, the difference is almost unnoticeable.

[SilentNegotiator]

Bumping up a sports game is one thing, bumping up an open world AAA game is another situation entirely.

[freshslicepizza]

a bump is a bump any way you slice it. the xbox one has made some headway since they allowed kinect to not be attached, microsoft also freed up one core of the cpu and there will be come improvements with dx12. every little but helps. when the system launched we had games like call of duty at 720p and now the new call of duty games are not 720p and the graphics have improved. so they are optimizing the system which again is good news all around.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

By PS fanboy logic if MGSV gets to 1080p/60 ...surely Kojima will get the PS4 version to 2K/120 fps

[jetlian]

what if kojima was the reason xbo was 720p in the first place? Its no secret he doesn't like xbox. Maybe thats why he's leaving konami

[MasterCornholio]

Now that's just disrespectful.

:I

If he knew the specs of the XB1 a long time before release and if the SDK wasn't so poor Ground Zeroes would have been 1080P on the XB1.

This has nothing to do with Kojima dislike of Xbox.

[Lord-Nicon]

hahaha that's so true

[DLConspiracy]

Looks like we will soon be able to talk about what matters most. Games. So tired of the resolution war.

[etownone]

Amen!!!

Lol

[PrinterMan]

Funny how all of a sudden (since some Xbox one games can do 1080p) resolution is a big deal again. But when the PS4 was doing 1080p and the Xbox wasnt resolution was no big thing. Some people at so fickle. Makes me laugh.

[DLConspiracy]

I don't think anyone cares now. They are probably just happy to shut up fanboys who have done nothing but talk about 1080p constantly for 2 years.

I would say it's safe to assume that if you aren't tired of seeing that online. Then you may have been part of the problem.

[jetlian]

Its not a big deal in terms of gfx most people cant tell the difference. It is a big deal when it comes to fanboys.

Now ps4 fans will need something else to argue about.

[DLConspiracy]

Exactly. Glad of it. This gen has been insanely annoying.

[snoopgg]

This whole graphics war was started by xbots last generation when they made such a pissy about the 360 getting better multiplat games, even though the ps3 exclusives looked and played better then any 360 games. The xbots were always shoving this shat in ps3 owners faces and this why you have this shat going on today.

[DLConspiracy]

@snoop

So 2 wrongs make a right? If people didn't like being treated like that back then why are they doing it to people now? Obviously both sides are no better than each other. Both are hypocrites.

Some people however didn't have any part to do with that last gen and think both are stupid.

[gangsta_red]

Really, because all I see here are people glad that DX12 is supposedly doing what so many on this site said it couldn't do. (Even though, I don't think DX12 was the cause for PES, i think it was just lazy development.)

Then I see some still trying to say that parts will be cut out or downgraded just to achieve 1080p for X1.

But it will be interesting to see how important 1080p still is when and if games for both consoles have it.

I suspect that people will be digging in crates for new ammo to be used in these console wars.

[super_bruno]

When that happen, people will be counting leafs, grass blades and stuff likw that.

[JasonKCK]

Only trolls care, most gamers don't. On this site 80% of the trolling comes from the Playstation side. This doesn't even have anything to do with PS4 at all. So PrinterMan, why are you here?

[CantBeStopped]

Really 80% huh? That seems factual and not at all totally made up due to your very own fanboy biased. By the way if I had a dollar for every xbox fanboy that was in a Playstation article on this site I'd have a ton of dollars. Its fine if you want to call out fanboys just dont act like the xbox ones are any better or that your 80% number is in anyway accurate.

[snoopgg]

Guess you weren't on here last generation, when the xbots were doing this crap everyday to ps3 owners just cause their multiplats had an extra piece of grass in their game. The ps4 fans are just giving that crap back to the xbots who started this graphics war last gen. How soon you forget!

[etownone]

Yeah 80% sounds about right...

Off topic... Would be nice if N4G would show who agrees/disagrees with every comment.

Casue anything pro XB1 always gets hate around here.

[CantBeStopped]

@etownone

80% would "sound about right" to an xbox fanboy. Only thing worse then a Playstation fanboy is a biased xbox fanboy pointing fingers.

[lastking95]

Nah they're happy cause fanboys of the opposite camp have to eat crow and hopefully shut up about resolution and things. Like DL said you're probably part of the problem if you didn't get that.

[rainslacker]

I'd welcome all games being the same resolution between the two systems so we can go back to analyzing the minute details like shadows or 2X vs 4X AA, or that one extra dynamic light in that one hallway, like we did last gen.

[G1L]

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[noksucow73]

I guess we shall see. It'd be nice to see that this DX12 thing actually help the Xbox1, and not just minimally. If so, maybe it will stop getting attacked for having the lower resolution. That Fox engine looks incredible btw.

[filchron]

pretty cool for Xbowners (xbone owners) but if they think PS4 wont improve and reitirate on its own software past DX12's capabilities theyre "gonna have a bad time."

[Lennoxb63]

When has Sony ever competed and beat MS in software. Sony is a hardware company. Don't fool yourself into thinking that any software from Sony can ever compete with anything from MS. That doesn't even make sense.

[filchron]

enjoy tombraider. lol

[MasterCornholio]

Sony had much better SDKs than Microsoft at launch.

Doesn't that count as software?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

"A software development kit (SDK or "devkit") is typically a set of software development tools that allows the creation of applications for a certain software package, software framework, hardware platform, computer system, video game console, operating system, or similar development platform."

[JMyers]

So resolution is now a big deal since it can be accomplished on XB1? I thought it didn't matter and the difference was negligible? "Play the game, not the resolution"... Right?

[vega275]

"So resolution is now a big deal"

Yeah I guess it is since thats what you sony fanboys been going on since the beginning of the gen. So now that the X1 can pull it off with their updated SDK tools. Now you guys want to act like its a problem.

Grow up kid.

[JMyers]

Hahaha. I'm just restating what was said on N4G. I could care less about resolution. I also quote about Indies and other games media. That's what I do... Just having some fun. However it seems like you and others are way serious... And I'm the kid? Pretty sure I'm older than you. Chill out. Note I haven't accused you of fanboyism, but your comment states otherwise. Nor do you know what console/s I own. Resolution matters now....yes! I better say "sarcasm" since some people are way too serious!

[vega275]

Yeah I doubt your older than me making childish statement like "bu bu bu I thought resolution don't matter" why cause the rest of the children are saying it and you want to sound hip and cool. You should know better if you are indeed older (which again I highly doubt)

Then you go on to say "note I haven't accused you of fanboys, but your comment states otherwise" but yet your here repeating a fanboy comment. Hmmm walks like a duck, talks like a duck. Most be a cow right? Yeah sure

"You don't know what console/s I own" I can probably make a educated guess that you don't own a X1 by your comment. So please don't act like no one sees thru your BS. I've owned both consoles but sold my ps4 because nothing interested me and looking at how childish sony fanboys have become over the years and more so now. I really glad I did.

[leeeroythe3rd]

It's comical how the trolls come out when good news is revealed about x1 performance. Ps4 should hope and pray microsoft makes the console war competitive. All it will do is increase development funding, improve content for xbox live and playstation plus and lower prices... multi plat parity is wonderful

[MasterCornholio]

"Multiplatform parity is wonderful"

No it isn't.

:I

The games should always be made to take advantage of the hardware of a platform. What this means is that the more powerful the platform the better graphics a game should have.

PC owners shouldn't be forced to play their games at the same level as console gamers just for the sake of maintaining parity. If someone invested thousands of dollars in their PC they deserve to game at 4k 60FPS and not have any limitations set by developers to achieve parity.

The only form of parity that I can agree with is content parity. We deserve to have access to 100% of the game. We shouldn't have to buy another platform to enjoy all the content.

P.S I dont game on PCs.

[Lennoxb63]

@33.1.2

You're right sony has had better SDKs since launch. Only because MS' latest rendition of their API wasn't ready. If you compare MS' latest software vs. Sony's latest software is no compeititon. MS will always win for obvious reasons.

[thecowsaysmoo]

Im glad just because we can now talk about something else. I know, lets talk about games and the gameplay.

[Camo]

Just so everybody knows, this is not because of dx12. The first dx12 game has already been said to be fable legends. Even so why would they give the sdk for dx12 out for a third party developer first, when forza 6 a first party game is still dx11. It would make no sense.

[gangsta_red]

I have to agree with this.

[vega275]

I agree that this is MS updating their SDK toolset for the X1. Which should be seen as a positive as MS is working hard to make the X1 more efficient for dev's to optimize their codes. But it does make you wonder what D12 willdo when it's released to 3rd party.

[DJStotty]

I think they are probably mistaken with the DirectX 12 bit. I think they meant the updated sdk that was released to developers not so long back.

[parkesy78]

Not read the article just flame bait fan boy headline for clicks ,as if dx12 on xbox one could suddenly nearly double resolution any developer will tell you dx12 will hardly make an impact its api is already to the metal i call BULLSHIT

[DJStotty]

But it has made an impact? Pes is now 1080p confirmed by the developers. That is thanks to updated sdk. No bull here just salty fans in one camp yet again

[Sweep14]

Once again, PR stunt: On XB1, pes 2016 res is 1360x1080 that's just above 900p. It's not native 1080p (1920x1080) like on the other console. It's an improvement from 2015 version for sure, but parity is not achieved here.

[n4rc]

"On XB1, pes 2016 res is 1360x1080 " says some dude on n4g

"We got there thankfully, Xbox One #PES2016 will be 1080p" - says the developer

just sayin

edit.. may well be.. but now he says its 1080p.. that isnt 1360x1080.

[Sweep14]

@n4rc: The person who stated that Pes 2016 on X1 was 1360x1080 is...Adam Batthi At E3. Sorry guy

[ThePresentIsAgift]

Project Cars being used as bench marking proof of each console...? .....PMSL

Years late and still broken at launch, credibility somewhat lacking.

Most Dreamcast games were 640x480 in their day and looked astounding for the time, I don't remember any one saying that it ruined their lives. Some of them still look good now, Quake 3, Dead or Alive 2 etc.

900p to me is a plenty high enough resolution, especially if running at 60fps.

[filchron]

yup. thats because of how forward thinking the DC was. The xbone, not so much.. I personally dgaf about resolution but most xbone games are still military shooters and im so fucking done with the military industrial complex..

[DJStotty]

"Most Xbox games are military shooters" please elaborate? I have around 15-20 Xbox one games and 1 is a military shooter

[thexmanone]

Good news for Xbox owners. But i see others disagree. Sad really, the way people act these days.

[Antwan3k]

I've maintained the position that the Xbox One's resolution troubles had more to do with limit on developers properly utilizing the hardware rather than limits of the hardware itself..

Before I continue, YES, the PS4 has the more powerful hardware..

But the PS3's hardware was more powerful than the Xbox 360's as well, yet games were on par for the majority of the generation. The PS3 got off to a slow start because of developer limitations, not hardware limitations.. Eventually, as Sony released more and more SDKs and developers got more and more comfortable with the PS3 architecture, the games on PS3 eventually started to close the gap.. sound familiar?

Multiplatform devs have pointed to the ESRAM as a primary bottleneck for getting games up to the same resolution as their PS4 counterparts. Now, I'm sure a bunch of armchair software engineers are going to come in here and point out a bunch of other reasons but ultimately, the most cited culprit has been the use of ESRAM (similar to the PS3's hard to use Cell processor). Now it has also been said that DirectX12 and the associated SDKs are going to finally give developers the means to properly utilize the ESRAM in the manner that it has always been intended.. And as DirectX12 on Xbox One is approaching, i'm not surprised that "1080p" is becoming less of an issue..

Again, YES, the PS4 is more powerful but not as powerful as early impressions led us to believe..

At launch, it was 720p (XB1) vs 1080p (PS4).
By the following Spring, it was 792p (XB1) vs 1080p (PS4).
By the following Fall, it was 900p (XB1) vs 1080p (PS4).
More recently, it has been a combination of 900p and dynamically scaled 1080p (XB1) vs 1080p (PS4).
And upcoming, huge games like MGSV, Forza 6, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and more are acheiving 1080p (XB1) vs 1080p (PS4)..

This isn't magic.. and as PS4 fanboys are quick to point out, "you can't change the hardware". So, this obviously means that the PS4 is more powerful but not by a large margin once the Xbox One is properly utilized by devs. The PS4 is easier to develop for, plain and simple. This is what gave the PS4 such a drastic advantage in the early goings. And as developers are getting more comfortable with the Xbox One, that advantage is disappearing.

Eventually it'll be a consistent 1080p (XB1) and 1080p (PS4). And at that point, it'll be interesting to watch the fanboys continue to move the goal posts...

[GMR_PR]

"This is what gave the PS4 such a drastic advantage in the early goings. And as developers are getting more comfortable with the Xbox One, that advantage is disappearing. "

I have to disagree here, PS4 has better hardware than XBO, no software will change that. PS4 will always have the advantage graphically, XBO get get to the 1080p sweet spot but PS4 will always have better something its just the way it is based on hardware performance.

[n4rc]

no software will change that.

you are right... but all that shiny hardware is just a paperweight without software..

you arent changing the physical hardware.. but software can and does change how effective the hardware can be

[Sweep14]

We'll talk again about number 6 when DF release their analysis...;-)

[DrumBeat]

Good.

DX12 finally starting to be implemented and paying off handsomely by the looks of it.

[GMR_PR]

This game is not using DX12, the title is wrong. There was no mention of DX12 in the Twitter the article is based on.

[GMR_PR]

@animalia

huh, what are you going on about? Worry about what? Buddy you are way off, if anything, I can't wait to see the improvements DX12 brings to the table.

My comment was based on the assumption that this game is using DX12 when is not, I'm not bashing the X1 in my comment. Chill dude.

[kevnb]

Good stuff if this is correct, we need competition.

[pwnsause_returns]

That's great, they've seem to have optimized the code, doesn't hurt as well if they indeed used the newest SDK as well.

[Azzanation]

So DX12 is making a difference. There are still alot of fanboys claiming there wont beca difference. This clearly proves them wrong if this is true.

[angelusbrz]

is this some kind of stunning news ? it's a f*cking football game lol, it's a shame it wasn't 1080p from the beginning, wth ...

[CantBeStopped]

LOL, now 1080p is "staggering".

[Petebloodyonion]

WOW! so now we can expect to finally end this pointless debate and start talking about the (insert console) have a blacker black compare to the other.
How about blast processing? It's been a while since it's been used.

point is every time I see this pointless bickering, I remind myself that the output device (your tv) already provide a much bigger difference compare to a another brand and yet nobody mention that.

[angelusbrz]

95% of games still aren't 1080p on Xbox One so NO.

[Stringerbell]

Flame wars, aside cmon OP you should have put a pic of PES there not MGS.

[TheLordOfStuff]

Not to be "that guy" but there is quite a difference in the graphical quality of PES and MSGV, I don't know what the final res/framerate will be for MGS but it would take it a great deal more to push for 1080p on MGS than with PES.

Better get my Flame suit on lol

[sephiroth420]

lol staggering...

[ooquis]

Wait....why was it running 720p in the first place?

[MasterCornholio]

Mainly due to the poor SDK at launch plus the fact that when Kojima designed the engine he didn't have any idea what the XB1s specs would be like.

With improved SDKs and better knowledge of the hardware they managed to update the Fox Engine to fix that 720P issue.

[dreadz74]

This is good news for Xb1 gamers why do PS4 users feel the need to downplay? Why do u care if u don't own or plan on owning the system. Just enjoy what game u have on ps4 @ 1080p and leave the other gamers be sheesh. I own both systems and find this is getting out of hand why continue to come in XB1 threads to spew hate . Both systems are good and XB1 was slow out the gate with dev tools now that phase is over why the hate smh.. My godness some people are gunna implode when dx12 games hit just relax and enjoy you sytem of choice and game people jeez

[MasterCornholio]

I'm a PS4 owner and I'm not downplaying this. However I recognise that this is due to the improvements of the SDK and the modification of the Fox Engine. I also know that it wasn't because of DX12 which is what some (very few) people are saying.

[DJStotty]

PlayStation fans are slowly running out of reasons to bash the Xbox one tis a real shame, it really is

[BIGBOSS08]

oh wow! 1080p on pro evolution soccer!! bravo microsoft! your making a comback alright.. hehe.. the low standards for microsoft are shocking. they get praised for this oh and not releasing a single exclusive all year and than a few in the fall and they get praised while sony get stomped all over by the media as usual. microsoft still have the media and their sheepish followers by the balls.

[feraldrgn]

Good news for PES, but to use that as evidence a massive open world game like MGSV will see a similar boost, if any at all?
It's reaching a bit.

[MSBAUSTX]

**reads the comments here and then quietly backs out of the room and goes back to playing games**

[UNKLE]

Funny fanboys war again, n4g community.. with only disagree.

[MSBAUSTX]

it's become sad really

[Rhythmattic]

Well thats good news for X1 owners...

From my very limited knowledge , both Pes and MGSV use an engine based on "deferred rendering", and supposedly the 32meg esram was not enough...
(I think there was an explanation on RedTech Gaming)

Good Stuff.....
It seems the new DX12 SDK gets around the problem.

[Tzuno]

Omg the hate of ps4 fanboys is unreal, get some sun god damn it.

[richie007bond]

They need more than some sun they need locking up lol.

[poor_cus_of_games]

There is no way that metal gear will be running at true 1080p at 60fps.

[jokerisalive]

It helps either way - I dont see it making every game native 1920x1080 but as in the case of F1 2015 which is 1440x1080 and PES 2015 which someone said is 1360x1080 that is a BIG improvement either way for XB1 and much better than say 900p or better yet 720p. Its good to see XB1 getting better performance either way.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

My pc is a combination of used parts from 2006, 2007 and 2010. The majority being late 06' including the main board, there are only a few games that it cannot run out right-courtesy of the software driving the platform.

6GB ram, HD5670 1GB DDR5, 6GB DDR2 800Mhz Crucial Ballistix, 2.4Ghz Intel Quad Q6600, 7200rpm old school HDD.

Not much on paper and at stock speeds it was garbage, good thing then that I'm over clocking the whole system like a boss and Running Win7 64 bit with a huge amount of customised system optimisation.

A console cannot be over clocked nor does it need to be, optimisation can target every last mhz and kilobyte of power. Look at what the Playstation 2 achieved from 2004 onwards, those games still look good now. Software has always been the key, Sega's Megadrive did amazing things in it's day.