Killer Instinct is running at 90 fps, Shadow Jago And Much More

Now little has been held by Iron Galaxy a presentation with Killer Instinct's new EVO in 2015. The information gathered here are recent and key information, the source of information is the Central KI's tweets on Twitter.

General information:

-More Characters will be released to play in Shadows mode.
-Killer Instinct wheel actually 90fps,which is why the net play works so smoothly.
Respectable -Taunt is still a possibility.
-Shadow Jago and Omen will still use the same stage, the Shadow Tiger's Lair.
-Possivelmente Season 2 will be released on disc.
-The ARIA was one of the characters that received design prototypes during its development.
-No Plans for more customization, but stay tuned!

When asked about a 3rd season they replied: "Everything is possible".

To conclude the Microsoft thanked the work of Iron Galaxy in Killer Instinct.

[KingKionic]

Well get outta town. This is surprising. Good stuff.

[christocolus]

The game runs super smooth offline and online but is this 90fps for real?

[Eonjay]

I think we need a better translation. "Killer Instinct wheel actually 90fps" Yeah...

I imagine that it runs faster than 60fps though because in order to get a consistent 60FPS, it needs to be able to render faster. So I think its likely, but the framerate you see should be around 59.94 to look right on a standard TV.

I for one believe them.

[christocolus]

@Eonjay

"I imagine that it runs faster than 60fps though because in order to get a consistent 60FPS, it needs to be able to render faster"

Really? I didn't know this. That actually makes sense cos the game is actually super smooth online. i always thought they did an awesome job with the net code,i had no idea they also had to keep the fps above 60fps. Thanks

[fr0sty]

The frame rate has nothing to do with online performance other than the faster the frame rate, the lower the ping has to be on your net connection has to be to avoid lag, otherwise the connection won't send/return a result before the next frame gets drawn. 60fps draws a frame every 16ms. 90 would be 12ms. If your game requires frame-accurate input, like many fighting games do, running at faster frame rates online is a bad thing. Most people won't have pings low enough and lag will be bad.

[Irishguy95]

90FPS is totally unnecessary. Consoles should aim for 60FPS, you 60-70FPS and lock it at 60, 90FPS is an extra 30FPS that isn't needed for smooth play, a waste of resources so to speak. Can't someone explain how the framerate has any relevance to the 'netplay'?

I mean, jeez, I am one of the guys who would prioritize 60FPS over graphics, however 90FPS over graphics? No way. Strike a balance ffs. Sony fans seem to love their 30FPS and graphics focused games

60FPS is smooth as ****. 90FPS doesn't really improve over it realistically.

[Volkama]

Bad translation for sure. A particular facet of the Killer Instinct engine may run at 90 updates per second (whatever it is gets mistranslated as the "wheel" here).

Frosty, you are completely wrong about high framerates having any negative impact on fighting games. Frame times in fighting games refers to the frames of an animation. It isn't directly connected to the rendering frame rate, and the only way the frame rate could make timing difficult for the player is if it is too low to display all the frames of those animations.

Street Fighter 4 runs at something like 500frames per second on my PC, but that doesn't mean I get a fraction of the time to counter moves, or get more input lag online because more frames have passed. 33ms of latency is 33ms delay, whether your GPU renders 1 or 2 frames in that time. Higher frame rate is better in all cases.

[ChickeyCantor]

" I imagine that it runs faster than 60fps though because in order to get a consistent 60FPS, it needs to be able to render faster."

What? LOL.

If you render beyond your target framerate you're only putting more workload on the cpu and gpu. So that wouldn't be handy to get a consistant 60fps.

If you can render well beyond 60 then just rendering at 60 fps wouldn't cause a dip nor put more workload on the gpu.

Also what Volkama said.

[pivotplease]

@Chickey No. Think of Infamous SS. It could run 60 FPS but would dip down to 45 FPS quite often. In order for that game to run a rock solid 60 FPS fixed or otherwise, the game would need to be able to run well over 60 FPS at less-intensive parts. So, if the framerate isn't fixed for KI, it guaranteed runs over 60 while 60 on the dot would be the frames reserved for the most intensive parts. That at least is what I think he was trying to get across and he is right for the most part. Of course most games try to use a fixed framerate though for consistency even though many 60 FPS games could probably get up around 90 FPS when certain processes are on standby.

[KingKionic]

https://youtu.be/BFbw_51EBl... Confirmed its 90 fps

Look at Michael gong`s face when he said it. Freaking hilarious.

[christocolus]

@Kionicwarlord222

Thanks for the link.

[Volkama]

Funny how an English interview gets translated, then re-translated back to English, then presented to us all screwy. I guess the "wheel" comes from them talking about the "rollback" in the netcode.

What they say actually implies the engine plays around with input/frame/position prediction and potentially computes some branching frame data a few frames ahead of what is actually happening. Prediction is a pretty common way to try and compensate and mask latency in online games, but KI does it particularly well.

I take the answer to mean that the game renders and displays 60fps to the player, but the engine is updating significantly faster than that. I don't think he's saying it outputs more that 60fps (and if it did we'd see the screen tear on our 60hz TVs).

What really matters is how it performs, and I've heard nothing but good things about the online play.

[kevnb]

higher framerates make for a more responsive game even if you can't see the difference or don't have a screen capable of showing higher frame rates. And having a frame rate higher than 60 fps isn't what causes tearing, its when unfinished frames get sent to the display which can happen at any frame rate. Many games don't really show much screen tearing even without vsync and even at higher than 60 fps, some games tear horribly with vsync off and some games stutter horribly with vsync on.

[ChickeyCantor]

" It could run 60 FPS but would dip down to 45 FPS quite often."

I said if it can render well over 60. Then there is no point rendering it at a higher frame rate as it will be taxing on the cpu and gpu.

If your game dips to 45fps then it obviously can't run well over 60 fps.

[Volkama]

Kevnb a GPU doesn't deliver "unfinished frames" to the screen, ever. And if it did you wouldn't see tearing, you'd see things like post processing effects missing (the last part of the creation of a frame, as per the name).

Tearing is caused by frames refreshing at a different cadence to the screen refresh rate. With 90fps actually being rendered you would get every other frame torn, or you would get every 3rd frame dropped. So tearing or stutter.

Some people are more sensitive to it than others but it'd definitey be there. Otherwise we'd see plenty of non-taxing indie games running well above 60fps for the sake of the more responsive controls.

[kevnb]

pc gamers have been playing games at well over 60 fps for years, usually it would be in games that require twitch reflexes like counter strike or even moba games like league of legends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
having higher framerates won't cause stutter, but vsync can. Mind you many game engines that stream in data suffer when the framerate isn't steady, gaming on pc you start to pick up on these things.
So far example, a game like the witcher 3 or far cry 4 might look horrible with a variable framerate, but a game like star craft 2 would look fine as long as the framerate is high enough. God of war 3 looked fine on ps3 even though the frame rate was going somewhere between 30-60 fps unlocked, but there is no streaming like you would have in an open world game.

What do you think you are looking at when you see screen tearing, its obviously two or more incomplete frames on screen at once...

[Volkama]

Now you're getting it. V-sync in that case would mean dropping 1 in every 3 frames to match the cadence of the screen refresh rate, thus introducing stutter. Allowing all 90 frames to display in spite of the 60hz refresh would not cause stutter, but you would frequently see 2 frames at once, which is screen tear.

It isn't the GPU delivering an incomplete frame. It is the TV getting caughht part way through swapping one complete frame for another.

If you can tell me another method to deliver 90 frames within 60 screen refreshes then... You probably shouldn't. That'd be very valuable knowledge lol.

And yes, I already mentioned above that I am a PC gamer.

[sammarshall102]

Indeed! One of the best and deepest fighting games IMO

[Rookie_Monster]

Agreed. People really need to play it and appreciate the freshness and variety of each character this game has. The fact that is is still being supported and they are going to announce season 3 at Gamescom shows just how beloved this game is and a great reboot.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

I have always wondered why KI looked smoother than other 60fps games on my 240hz Vizio... That's pretty cool!

[Sureshot]

Amazing! And it's a gorgeous game at that.

[christocolus]

Agreed. awesome game. Have you seen this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Black0ut]

That was purely amazing. Look at My God's face irl at the end...The pain is real! Oh my god!!

[Sureshot]

I have now! Cheers for the link :)

[BallsEye]

holysh!t that was awesome!

[XanderZane]

The game is incredible. Only the gamers who have actually played Killer Instinct knows are truly great this game really is. I still need to get Season 2. Amazing if this game has been 90fps all this time and no one knew.

[FlexLuger]

My fave fighter so far this gen.Please give us a season three. lets keep a good thing going!

[pivotplease]

It's only between that and MKX isn't it? Injustice is technically just a glorified port and SSB4 is in its own genre altogether. Just curious to know if there's been others.

[KiwiViper85]

DBZ?

[NeoGamer232]

BlazBlue and GGX

[FlexLuger]

pivotplease

"It's only between that and MKX isn't it? Injustice is technically just a glorified port and SSB4 is in its own genre altogether. Just curious to know if there's been others."

I agree with everything you said. and MK is terrible fighter imo. controls feel clunky next to KI or even streetfighter. And I hate using a block buttonin a 2d fighter instead of just holding back on the d-pad. also the combo system never really feels fluid to me. KI is the opposite. There is a real sense of flow and ryhthm, that any good fighting game possesses.

KiwiViper85

"DBZ?"

Aww hell no!I cant take that game/series seriously at all. its just a button mash fest. No real scope for freedom or creativity in the combat. Which is weird for a game that has you fighting over vast spaces and in the air. It never feels like a skill based fighter. More like anime fan service. A bit like those naruto and one piece games. I dont consider them hardcore fighting games at all. More like action, fighting games. I played Jstars on PS4 and it was awful too.

NeoGamer232

"BlazBlue and GGX"

another two of my faves. I bought my first GG game on DC and have been a fan of the series ver since. I also have two versions of blazblue on x360. Bought the special editions no less from GAME. I also have GGX on PS4. Love those games, But KI just feels like a fresher experience to me. Probably because I have always played a lot of GG/blaz blue games.

[2pacalypsenow]

I had a 120hz monitor and anything above 60fps I could not tell the difference , at least nothing like 30-60

[Tedakin]

May be my favorite fighting game ever. Best online without a doubt. Really hope they announce Season 3 soon. Would be a shame of Shadow Jago was the end of it.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Really great fighter!!

[josephayal]

This is by far THE greatest Fighting game to date

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I know this is a big Killer Instinct group hug in here, but c'mon man. No it isn't. And by far?

[OOMagnum]

Let's have a civilized discussion. Name better fighters than KI, because this game knocked it out of the park in every aspect IMO.

[SliceOfTruth888]

if killer instinct was ps4 exclusive the defense of this great fighter wouldn't be needed. It's hated because it's on Xbox plain and simple

[I_am_Batman]

OOMagnum: One possible answer would be Ultra Street Fighter 4 but to be fair I've only played a couple of hours of KI because I don't own an Xbox One so I can't really compare them. As a fairly decent fighting game player I know that you have to spend some time to learn the mechanics of a fighting game to really appreciate it.

In the end there really isn't one best fighting game objectively speaking.

[FlexLuger]

KwietStorm + 8h ago

"I know this is a big Killer Instinct group hug in here, but c'mon man. No it isn't. And by far?"

Isnt this a bit like an xbox fan going into an article talking about a PS4 exclusives graphics, as an xbox gamer and saying..."I know it looks good and all you sony fans love it, but come on man"...

do you have any idea how many downvotes and personal attacks you have to endure?Please note the polite nature of the responses to your comment from xbox gamers, btw.

[LexHazard79]

I know better than agreeing with that comment. Ive been gaming a long time so I know its not my best fighter to date. That being said, setting aside bias and console allegiance. KI at the moment is the best fighter out there. Id go as far as saying its the best fighter on console at the moment(well see what happens when SF releases). The game runs so smooth and looks great.

[PurpHerbison]

I'm pretty damn sure KwietStorm is a FIGHTING GAME fan and not trying to stir some stupid console war. He didn't say "big xbox one group hug" he said Killer Instinct. Also, I completely agree with Kwiet. It is a great fighting game, but the best? No.

[NeoGamer232]

Have you actually played the latest update to season 2?

[abstractel]

@Slice haven't seen anyone above your post hate on Killer Instinct? I just see positive comments? Seems like people who dislike it are doing the respectable thing for once and letting people enjoy their game. I haven't played it, so I can only have an opinion about its graphics.

[ABizzel1]

That's a bit of a stretch, though I do agree it's a great fighter.

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

while ki is a great game, its not even close to the greatest. Street Fighters level of refinement is 10x that of killer instict. guilty gear, tekken, etc

Not saying its bad. just dont get ahead of yourself lol

[yankolo]

Mk servers suck

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

biggest letdown of 2015.

[DragonKnight]

Well, Killer Instinct can may be running at 90fps but Street Fighter Jar is at a higher res.

[DragonKnight]

Geez people, I was making fun of the grammar. It was a joke.

[Gazondaily]

Hehe now that the title is fixed I don't think people will get it.

[takohma]

I do like this game. most of my friends are ps4 owners and kept down playing this game when it first came out because it was complete. its fun just gets kind of boring with no friends to play with. wish they had rooms like in teen or soul caliber and mk to just hang out and fight and talk. I would probably meet more people that way.

[ghostface9]

there's lobbies if that helps I still play quite a bit if you need someone to spar with gt: jttwister09

[takohma]

Will do buddy. although its been a while since I've played. My GT is xSecretsantax

[Azzanation]

Amazing! judging from the speed of the game it needs to run super smooth. And this was achieved without DX12, Cloud, or the latest SKUs. Well done. KI still stands as the best fighter iv played this gen.

Looking forward for more updates and content.

[traqueia]

"-Possivelmente Season 2 will be released on disc."

[LexHazard79]

"Its possible" in spanish...ok Trump

[hangdang]

I'll get this when it comes out on PC. Although I can't imagine it being as good as the SNES version

[FlexLuger]

Your kidding right? KI is better than its predessors in everyway. There is more depth to its mechanics, as demonstrated at EVO. Also KI complete edition (which is the one I bought) includes both season 1 and 2 as well as arcade perfect ports of the original KI arcade games..both of which were obviously better than the snes version. The new KI is better than both of the original arcade games..nothing more needs to be said there.

Here is what the original games look like running on XB1:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Why reminsince over the snes version when the Xbox one has the perfect ports of KI. KI gold(The N64 game) will also be available in the rare replay collection. KI never had it this good when it was on nintendo. that is a fact.

No wonder you cant imagine. You haven't played it. It will also have crossplay, so expect Xbox owners to light your ass up online, and show you how much more sophisticated the new fighting system is.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[hangdang]

Relax there big guy, it's not a personal attack. The SNES version is what I used to play all the time as a kid, so maybe I mis-spoke and should have said I can't imagine enjoying it as much as the SNES version, (which I liked more than the arcade versions.) And another thing, did I ever claim to have played the new version? Not sure why what I said warranted such a hostile response, but is suggest you take a deep breath and calm down.

And to the other reply who said why wait, my response would be because I don't have an Xbox one yet and I am waiting for the pc release to get it.

[Articuno76]

I geniunely didn't know KI was packing ports of the original games on it. That's awesome.

[FlexLuger]

@hangdang

Im sorry if you felt my reply was hostile. certainly wasnt the intent. Your post just came across as downplaying the game (which you corrected in your response, in all fairness)

Cool if you prefer the snes version, but I always prefered the arcade originals, and I think that would be the case for most fans of the series. Simply pointing that out. I love Vf2, and have fond memories of the saturn game. But I would take the X360 port of the original arcade game any day. Closest to the original coin op, and lets not forget KI started its life as a coin op game.

[Volkama]

I'll already have this when it comes out on PC thanks to cross-buy :)

It's actually a really good game. Not immediately impressive at all, but once you scratch the surface there are just tonnes of nuances to the action. I'm rubbish at it though.

[Azzanation]

Why wait? The game is fantastic, if you love fighting games this game is the cream of the crop. Its not your typical generic fighter, its unique and best in class at what it does.

Better have fast reflexes.

[GearSkiN]

tryin to get into this game guys i have the game and i believe it recently got an update, is shadow jego avaible for everybody now?

[Tedakin]

Nah Shadow Jago was only available to people who got the Day One Xbox Live Gold card when the Xbox One launched, and people who contributed money to the tournament funding thing they did back in May. There is currently no way to get the character.

[GearSkiN]

Ah damn, well alright thank u

[theRell]

Looks at the replies to that tweet disappoints me. Worrying about the "stigma" of Xbox by the media, can tell who's not even a KI fan.

As a KI player, this is pretty cool to know, the online has always been pretty smooth experience, as close to local play with any fighter I've ever played online. Seems like they went right into this game thinking of online play, it is free to play, so that makes a little sense. I'm hoping for another season.

[Shuckylad]

But but but 30fps is better because it's more cinematic. ;-)))

[KilluaX3]

Naaah you dumbass, let's go with 20fps. Witcher 3 is amazing like that, this would be too.

[WheatBread]

I can't tell the difference 60-90, but I can definitely tell at 120-144hz.

[oSHINSAo]

Well, if there´s this extra power, they should upgrade the visuals again to 1080p/60hz like they did on season 2 from 720p to 900p