Did Reggie really say to trust them? Thats crazy! I trusted them on Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U. Crappy or no 3rd party games and no new Adult ip ever. (i don't like JRPGs)
If milking Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Kirby and other 30 yr old franchise is working for them to this day, why should they bother? Lol Nintendo fanboys will always defend and buy anything from Nintendo regardless, milked way more that COD. Also don't forget the amount of spinoffs of these series aswell!
N64 didn't have the best third party support either in all fairness. Better, but if you actually look at the systems sales and games you can see they underperformed in that generation, too.
I think Nintendo just came about a little luck with the Wii. Now, with the Wii U everything is back to the same pattern as before.
It's handhelds where Nintendo thrives. While I have always enjoyed their home consoles they have never been especially sound in terms of commercial performance.
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The problem is it's not working for them. While their individual titles sell relatively well their system is not selling and that in itself grossly inhibits the sales of both their own games, and revenue they earn from third party sales.
It's a problem and it's one that won't go away with more Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda and Kirby games.
I liked Gamecube, I felt like they had a good balance between their own IP's and other 3rd party ones. Obviously not as many as PS2, but comparable to Xbox.
But do bear in mind that's just your perspective- it's easy to point out everything Nintendo platforms don't have, but if you try half is hard to acknowledge what they do have, you might spend a little less time complaining and a little more time playing great games.
The problem with the new Metroid game, is that they called it a "Metroid" game. If they reskinned it and called it something else, the outrage would be much smaller.
I agree. When Nintendo Direct Event started and I saw those puppets, I was like, "Ooohh..no!! This isn't going to be good. I didn't even make it through the whole show, it was just so boring. I think Nintendo needs some new leaders. They can't keep going like this. They did have one good E3 last year, but this was a complete 180.
as a nintendo fan, its really frustrating to watch nintendo plough on ahead down a path that isnt exciting. at all.
i suspect there is a reason why the new metroid looks as appalling as it does- i think they made it in this way to make it easy to use as a mobile game once they reveal what their horrible plans are for that.
i think most, if not all future portable nintendo games will be made with this attitude, allowing them the freedom to make the game available to the mobile market. it makes business sense- they will want to use their assets to their full potential.. but i think the games will suffer.
ultimately, i think the gamers will suffer too, because its very clear the game is very scaled back. if this is the future for nintendo, then it looks like the glory days are over
This , star fox and zelda were the only 3 reasons i had some ounce of interest in wiiu, though not necessarily a bad game S zero looks like a wii game and may make adventures less satisfying with bland scenery.. so two down one to go
“This is an example where fans who aren’t able to get their hands on the game may be at a bit of a competitive disadvantage. Everyone who has played what we are showing regarding Metroid Prime, they’ve come across really pleased. [all I] ask is that fans trust us.”
OK I think I understand.
But I still don't agree.
Even though the game might be fun, Metroid fans were expecting a traditional Metroid game.
I know he pulled up Windwaker and used it as an example but its still a Zelda game of you know what I mean. If they decided to unveil a COD like Zelda game I'm pretty sure plenty of Zelda fans wouldn't be happy with it.
Pretty much this, yeah. Honestly, I feel relating it to the Prime series was the biggest issue.
Had they just stuck with calling it Metroid: Federation Force, and shown some text saying "New Spin-off" before the trailer, it wouldn't have gotten as much negativity as it has now, for calling itself a part of the Prime series.
People reeeeeally want Prime 4. There's no question about that.
I was there (at E3) and trust me, the lines to play the game were NON-EXISTANT!. Barely anyone wanted to try that. Most people were playing Star Fox, Smash, Yoshi, Mario Maker or Zelda.
They should change the art style to be more inline with the prime series; instead of a chibi look. Fans have a right to be angry. The game looks cheap and at first glance it looks like a cash grab that is abusing the Metroid Prime name.
Pretty sure the game was developed as a new IP, and they slapped the Metroid name on it to bolster sales/awareness. They say no publicity is bad publicity, so who knows, maybe it'll work.
I mean, hell, how many people actually bought that other FPS-style 3DS game Nintendo pushed out a year or two back?
Them turning into software only would be fucking great. I think Nintendo lost their touch with hardware after N64/GC. I hate gimmicks on consoles. Wii's controller, Wii U's, controller, Amiibo, PS eye, PS move, Kinect...all of them can lick my sweaty balls.
Again, Nintendo thought Wii Music was a great idea. Of course they believe this game is what fans want. And having a few hand picked stooges tell you your game is amazing despite throwing away everything that made Metroid special is about what I expect from Nintendo these da....years.
All I see is a potentially good game that, when put against the weight of investors and ROI, wasn't going to perform...so it was slapped with the Metroid label.
What disappoints me most is that it seems Nintendo isn't confident in new IPs or original titles. Nearly everything must be franchised to sell, and that's exactly what's pushing me away from the brand.
I absolutely hate that Nintendo can't shut their mouths and admit just one failure. They are, once again, telling us that we're wrong for not liking the absolute knock-off they're trying to sell us. Next year is this company's last stand, if they can't impress with their new console and stop running their mouths, it'll be over for them.
This "you know nothing stupid customer" shit is really annoying. Maybe the higher ups should be changed and give more freedom for Nintendo devs. How about Nintendo NX being a fresh start, instead making devs do SMB part 2123 they could do what ever they want for once.
I wish Nintendo would get their collective heads out of the arses. They aren't learning anything and continually ignoring what the masses want and expect from them. Say what you will about Microsoft and Xbox but at least they stepped back, listened to what people were saying and did something about it. Reggie just keeps using the same cookie cutter BS lines year after lackluster year.
Swallow some pride and admit you screwed up with this console and bloody well fix it.
It has a Lego type of feel to it... man they better blow our minds when they decide to show the real Prime which I know Retro are working on... they gotta be... :(
I can't believe that there was no one at Nintendo who saw this and wasn't like, "wow... yeah, no, this is terrible. Please have the team start over. We're not going to E3 this year. You lose all bathroom privileges for the week."
They knew what they were getting into. They were ready to deal with the initial outcry of the fans for the amount of revenue they'd pull in the long run. How much it costs to make this game might be lower than a "respectable" title, but... I can't speak to that.
They took the wrong franchise to make massive changes to, if there are even a lot of their IPs. The fans have told you countless times what they want; a 2D classic style metroid game and/or another Prime type game.
Fans just want the same old crap over and over again.
Gosh dang, Metroid Prime is my favorite game of all time. Of ALL time. But I'm not the slightest bit upset about this.
Cause you know what they HAVE given me this gen? Games like Splatoon. Games like Fire Emblem Awakening. And Kid Icarus Uprising. Wonderful 101. A Star Fox is on the way. A new Xenoblade. And a whole heck of a lot more I could keep listing.
So whatever, if not getting a new Metroid Prime is the greatest of my worries then I say I'm in pretty good shape
It would've been okay IMO if they had just launched Prime 4 on WiiU or a new 2d Metroid on 3ds. Then it would be okay to have a spin off that nobody wants because they delivered. Here we've been begging for a new game for years and this is the bone they throw. Its insulting.
Also the game would've been better as a new ip. Sometime shoehorning the same five franchises into every game backfires. It's not the game we want vs idiots buying it because it has Kirby or Mario in it. Imagine if Nintendo had followed through and shoehorned Mario into Splatoon. Sure the game may be fun still but it's not as charming and unique. Let a game stand on its own. If its a good game it will sell. If its this cheap iPhone game with Metroid tacked on sold for full price it will bomb. No buy.
I think that is what fans would like. I for one, would like it. Oh, and a Metroid movie too.
Apart from that, it's sad to see Nintendo end up like that. They're stubborn, clueless, lazy... I had a blast back then with my NES and SNES, but they have completely lost it now.
Well, if the WiiU fails so hard to sell, I might be able to take advantage of some bargain sales to fetch me one just to play the Zelda Wind Waker and the Metroid Prime trilogy Remasters, if there's a way to play them with a proper controller, that is.
Nintendo is a great system to have along with another console. Honestly, I can't live w/out their first party, but I also can't live with Only their first party games (which is what you get with Nintendo consoles) I think Nintendo is great, but not as an only console, it has to supplement some other console IMO. As for this game, I realize why people are pissed, but who knows, a proper Metroid is probably right around the corner, so I don't see anything wrong with them using the ip in other directions. but thats just me.
when are we gonna see a REAL console version of pokemon? with the amount of open-world and sandbox games now, there's no excuse for nintendo NOT to have done this already. i think it's bs how they're sticking to handheld pokemon game prolly based on the fact that they're easy and cheap for them to make now.
i think it has more to do with GameFreak not being willing to make a console Pokemon game
Junichi Masuda from GameFreak said this at the time when Pokemon BW was released:
“ I’m really not thinking about having the main Pokemon games on the Wii, because using portable consoles means you can always carry Pokemon around with you and you can play with other players, so that’s the future I’d like to emphasize.”
which really sounds weird considering that even when Wii was around you could still play online...
and it shouldn't be too hard to have transferability between the handheld version and the home console version because they've done it before... think about it, you could connect the 3DS via Wi-Fi to your Wii U and transfer the Pokemons in and out whenever you'd feel like it and "have your pokemon with you" whenever
while also getting the best looking version of any Pokemon game so far on the Wii U...
just remake the original Pokemon Red with full 3D on the system and people would get wet with the hype..
i honestly can't comprehend how Nintendo doesn't realize that they're sitting on their own IP's that could save the Wii U
have proper Metroid, maybe a new Kid Icarus, Earthbound HD Remaster, have Atlus make a dungeon crawler for Wii U, a new Zelda ( which is already being made so....good job. )
but alas those things all cost money and Nin10dough isn't probably willing to risk all of their money on Wii U at this point and rather just put everything on 3DS because it indeed prints money.
Reggie asks the fans for trust, but the Nintendo fans have anticipated a Metroid game for Wii U, not just 3DS ..and now those fans 'trust' that this may not happen in their systems life cycle.
It's such a shame because the Wii U is a great console. It's about great gaming experiences, not just the power of a system. Some of the greatest games ever made didn't have cutting edge visuals.
On a more positive note, NX is on the way. Metroid may even be a launch title along with the one game (I'm a Dreamer) that would make me buy NX at launch a new 'Super Mario Sunshine'. I live in hope ;/
And here he is to fan the flames some more. Too damned prideful of a company to acknowledge and accept their mistakes. What a bummer. But not surprising. It's never nintendos fault to ninentendo. It's the fans. Ugh. At least sony and xbox could see the writing on the wall before it crumbled.
I feel "Reggie", much like "Cliffy B", are just associated as platform celebrities with whom im meant to care about their opinion. None of which makes me like said platform more
Let's give Nintendo some credit. I applaud them for doing their thing, and not bow down to consumer wishes like Microsoft or EA. We wouldnt have WW or Splatoon, and as much of a fan of Prime as I am, Splatoon is to me new and fresh, and thats better than the fourth installment of MP currently, because it proves Ninty is not just milking those IPs.
People wanted a proper metroid title. And i completely agree. Metroid prime is amongst my top 10 favorite games of all time. It's so good! But the fact that nintendo does something totally different with the franchise and on a the wrong system, means that I am no longer their market and should no longer buy their products. And it's a shame because I'm pretty sure that a proper metroid title would be a system seller.
So Nintendo let's us down.... Then blames the fans for "not getting it"... AGAIN. They took a futuristic sports game and just slapped the name Metroid on it. Maybe it's a great game. But it's NOT a Metroid game. It has nothing in common with Metroid. So fans who were expecting a REAL announcement have every right to be pissed and feel cheated. Keep alienating your fans Nintendo.
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“This is an example where fans who aren’t able to get their hands on the game may be at a bit of a competitive disadvantage. Everyone who has played what we are showing regarding Metroid Prime, they’ve come across really pleased. [all I] ask is that fans trust us.”
OK I think I understand.
But I still don't agree.
Even though the game might be fun, Metroid fans were expecting a traditional Metroid game.
I know he pulled up Windwaker and used it as an example but its still a Zelda game of you know what I mean. If they decided to unveil a COD like Zelda game I'm pretty sure plenty of Zelda fans wouldn't be happy with it.
They should change the art style to be more inline with the prime series; instead of a chibi look. Fans have a right to be angry. The game looks cheap and at first glance it looks like a cash grab that is abusing the Metroid Prime name.
I wonder if the took out Prime from the title and just called it Metroid Federation Force if it would be a little less insulting.