Yu Suzuki posted a new update to the Shenmue III kicksatarter campaign, issuing a long and rather detailed statement on the game’s funding situation, and the relationship with partners Sony Computer Entertainment and Shibuya Productions.
So this will stay pc/ps4 exclusive. Everyone that has supported the game knew from the moment it's announced and they're gladly supporting the practice so for the people who aren't shelling out money just stop having tantrums and go on with your life's. They keep repeating the same information over and over and some of you still don't get it.
Shenmue 3 FF 7 Remake The Last Guardian Sony has given me all I ever wanted.
They are not giving me a physical copy of Shenmue 3.
Thank you Mr. Suzuki!! Finally the stupid trolls and click bait journalist can stop with their BS. Yet it's sad to see the trolls still trolling because they don't have anything else to do until the holiday season...
May I ask what is about The last guardian that you like? I am genuinely curious because in 7 years they have showed literally nothing of the game. What little they did show at e3 was essentially a slightly longer version of what they originally showed on Ps3. I liked Ico and Shadow of the Colossus as much as the next person but as of right now there has been nothing shown that's worth while in the 7 years this game has been in production. To be honest the gameplay actually seemed pretty annoying since you apparently just say the same words over and over again the whole time to call your dog bird every 5 seconds.
@shloobmm3 They have a very surreal style. And it's absolutely amazing. Not for everyone, but this game looks like a very interesting Joyrney.
Well it seems like we ARE funding the game as can be seen by his statement regarding the Stretch Goals. If we don't fund the game to facilitate the stretch goals, then that additional content won't be made. Seems really odd for a mega title like Shenmue to be subject to Kickstarter for development.
@Septic "Seems really odd for a mega title like Shenmue to be subject to Kickstarter for development." Considering how much money SEGA lost because of Shenmue, it's really not surprising at all.
Isnt Shenmue a Sega property? I feel like Mr Suzuki is doing this on his own with very little backing from Sega. This is maybe why he started kickstarter. So far, through what i have read. I have heard anyone mentioning Sega at all. But this just me asking questions because im curious. Not making any bold statements or claims. If you do know the answers, i would love to know.
Isnt Shenmue a Sega property? I feel like Mr Suzuki is doing this on his own with very backing from Sega. This is maybe why he started kickstarter. So far, through what i have read. I have heard anyone mentioning Sega at all. But this just me asking questions because im curious. Not making any bold statements or claims. If you do know the answers, i would love to know.
Don't see how this statement refutes anything that has been said previously? It says that they needed to seek more tradional funding on top of the kickstarter campaign, and that Sony and Shibuya Productions are funding production (as well as marketing and in Sony's case publishing)? Not trying to provoke the hornet's nest. I just don't see how this statement really changes anything people had already been saying.
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@kyaoss From the Kickstarter page: Is this game affiliated with SEGA? SEGA has officially given us the rights to use the "Shenmue 3" license.
How has sony given you all you wanted when NONE have been released? LMFAO Shenmue 3 may still not even get done and if it does, is still 2-3 years out. FF7 remake is a multiplat with no release date Again I am laughing at The Last Guardian mention, that is still up in the air and may not even get done. Sony just pulled a gameplay footage from the archives 8 years ago to show. Sony has given you nothing yet you praise them for giving you something? Gee Wizz...
we get it, sony used its' stage presence to help fund the project while keeping any risk to a bare minimum. that way if it didn't reach 2 million they could say there isn't enough support, no loss. this way they can partner up and keep it ps4/pc. i imagine even without sony's involvement it would have reached it's goals but sony saw an opportunity and seized it. i don't blame them one bit and to be honest that is where the most sales will come from regardless, the pc and ps4. the missed opportunity here isn't microsoft, it's nintendo. this would have been a perfect scenario for nintendo to get onboard and release it on their new system.
So then RotTR will stay exclusive? It's practically the exact same deal. It would have been easy here for them to say that it will stay exclusive to PS4/Pc if that was the case...if anything, it seems even more likely that it means it's NOT console exclusive. It MIGHT stay PS4 exclusive for consoles...but providing "support" isn't strong language.
How is it the same deal? MS is publishing ROTTR and marketing it. No where has it been said they are supplying any money for producing the game.
Says on the Kickstarter site that Shenmue 3 could also go on other platforms so I still doubt it will be exclusive to PS4. Not sure what all the fuss is about this game. Neither of the first 2 interested me and it sounds like this one is going to be a serious let down.
This still won't stop journalists from making inaccurate headlines for click bait
Of course it won't, Journalists are a bunch of tools. That is why I ignore articles that are clearly click bait; because in no way shape or form do I want to support their site full of garbage and don't care what happens to their career. Good Journalists won't make lies or stupid opinion pieces to incite arguements, etc. For ratings. Bad Journalists will...
I really hate those journalists. But hey at least there's nothing that they can do to stop this title from being made.
Time to understand and move on.
If it is not reach, then Shenmue franchise will stay true to Shenmue Community.
So readers know more about the issue than journalists? Why do we need them again?
to keep us mildly entertained.I go on game specific forums and sites like neogaf to get actual gaming news. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that Sony was there for marketing and publishing, regardless, the situation needed clarifying, and probably thanks to all the crappy articles, the situation got clarified
Sometimes you can't find the truth until you see the lie. In this case, no one contributing actually had any problem with the set up, but in order to ruffle feathers and get page hits, the media made up a lie, without taking the time to ask the devs what the deal was, and then continued on with that lie when the details were made perfectly clear by using the....but but but that doesn't actually clarify anything....stance. Fan boys latched on, and we get some scandal of Watergate proportions....even though it was nothing out of the ordinary. The only real difference in this games funding and any other game is the source of the investments. In this case, part of it is funded by the fans of the game instead of some conglomerate investment group who wouldn't have invested anyways because of the series past sales....as history has already shown.
From his statement would end up with Sony-console exclusive. Nothing other than this.
There. Go on with your lives. As for the haters find another game to complain about.
The sad part is that Esler and guys like him won't even feel bad for damaging the kickstarter campaign. For trying to destroy the dreams of tens of thousands they'll get much negative karma.
I think ultimately this statement doesn't tell fans what we didn't already know because, unlike some sites/people, we actually know the facts. But the issue over whether Sony is funding development of core game development or not is ultimately at the heart of all this. I've seen no evidence that is the case and comments to suggest otherwise. What Ys Net need to come out and say is that Sony isn't funding the development aspect of the game at all. What I think they've done here is state Sony's support capacity, but it's not that Sony is pitching in/handlign the marketing/porting that's ever been in question. The question remains: Is that the entiriety of Sony's support? If so there's no problem. I feel this statement goes a long way to addressing many of the concerns in one place and an official capacity. But not everything has been addressed yet in such a way that NO ONE could even feasibly misunderstand.
A Sony executive came out saying any "support" coming from sony would be in the port for PS4, and marketing. Nothing about developing the game. As far as I can tell, that means they will not be working side by side with the shenmue team, and will only be given the PC code to translate to work on PS4. This sound like a huge deal?
The problemed details are in the omission. I think that's what's bugging people. The question we have to ask is ultimately this: When Sony is asked about their involvement with the project and they say they are involved in supporting the project in forms x, y and z is that a full admission (as the question demands)? Or are they omitting that they are also funding core development (exploiting a technicality in the wording)? If it is the former (as I believe) there's no issue. If it's the latter, again, we have a problem on our hands in that a lot of the negative talk about the KS project would be true (but conversely it could mean a good deal of funding is already guaranteed, making the game less reliant on Kickstarter - but that contradicts Suzuki's own stance on how important the KS is). In other words saying support is for "marketing/porting" isn't the same as saying "it's not for development". But from what research I've done reading around the subject all things point to Sony not funding development itself (although they are funding what they vaguely refer to as "production", which could honestly mean anything).
Statement says that Sony and Shibuya and helping fund production of the game. What does "production" cover, if not development? I suppose you could separate it out to paying for composers, actors, artists and so on... but generally that counts as funding development doesn't it?
I for one thought it was tacky as hell to ask for money the way they did. This still smells fishy to me in regards to how kickstarter is suppose to be used. Its my opinion...and I am not alone. I have Shenumue sitting on the shelf right next to me and for the life I'm not sure that this game will ever come to fruition in the end...we will all see in the coming months to years as it is bare minimum 2 years..almost 3 realistically before we see it.
Here's the thing though: the role of producers/production in the videogame industry varies from studio to studio. It's one of the anomalies of the industry. Production doesn't necessarily have anything to do with paying for those things, but facilitating them (through contacts/introductions). Moreover we have no idea if Sony's production support is third-party production support of the kind they offer many smaller developers, or something that more directly touches the creative/development aspects of the project. Like I said "production" can mean just about anything in this industry. I think that's one area that could be clarified. If by production Sony is pitching in with paying for everything from artists to composers then yeah, that would essentially be paying for development (of assets).
"Statement says that Sony and Shibuya and helping fund production of the game. What does "production" cover, if not development?" I'm looking into this. This question can be answered quite easily (in theory) by looking at what other kinds of support Sony's Third-Party Productions division has provided in the past. For example, with Yakuza 5 Sony are (as I understand it) taking it upon themselves to translate the game. Sadly it's not "that" easy to figure out exactly what it is that Third-Party Productions production support entails as it would vary from project to project and there's little information on the specifics. But if people want an answer as to what production entails here that's where they should start looking.
Development, in software terms, is the actual development of the product. Basically what everyone seems to understand what Ys Net will be doing with the product. They will be designing and implementing the game code. Production, in this case, is the support of that product to get it running...ie testing, code support, supplying hardware. It can also mean ongoing support to the end user, but in this case I don't think it extends this far(at least not for the topic being discussed). It can also mean publication, since production can often mean funding to do such things. In this case, it's been stated Sony will publish(port) the PS4 version, and help with marketing all around. In order to understand what is being said, you have to know how the terms relate to software development. It also helps to understand the scope of what is being produced in terms of the end user, and how it will be released. I think Shibuya may be providing some development funding, which can also be called production....ie the producer is responsible for funding and overseeing the development. Sony could be as well, I won't deny the possibility exists, but given the nature of how Sony usually does such things, and given that they have made clear what their role is in the process, I find it unlikely to be anything substantial. Even Shibuya seems to not be willing to fund it fully, which is why Suzuki is saying that at certain rather low points, he can implement some pretty major features. I'm still going to revert back to my ongoing question....why the hell does it matter? It's obvious Sony isn't funding the entire game, and to get the game made, KS was needed....for whatever reason. Given that, the KS became neccesarry to Suzuki, and given that the game spent 14 years with no major funding support, why is the idea of a KS suddenly such a major shock and worthy of ridicule. Past efforts have failed to bring Shenmue 3 to light. Suzuki has tried for years to get it done through traditional channels. These are undisputed facts. He finally found a way to make it happen, and it's happening.
Steam it is , if not Good Suzuki.
"The outpouring of support from all of you, the backers, has been so inspirational. I cannot thank you enough. Having reached our funding goal, I am excited to say that the Shenmue story will go on, and our journey with Ryo and Shenhua will continue. Fans will be able to enjoy the sequel they have waited so long for, and newcomers to the series will be introduced to a unique gaming experience." Now can people stop calling it vappr ware? The game is happening and more funds will only mean a more developed title.
Never seen anyone call it vaporware or even suggest that it might not happen. Or at least not since it was revealed at E3. Any time in the interim 14 years I'm sure people had their doubts though lol.
Glad this news is getting out there
I agree. And your comment shows you do have a heart after all.
Well can I say I told you so? Here's my comment form 8 Day ago from this thread http://n4g.com/news/1743745... Peoples should hold their horses The only thing that Sony said was that they were partnering with Yu for the game! They didn't said they were financing the game, Buying the franchise or whatever. (the franchise still belong to Sega) Maybe they will work on the ps4 version of the game (a la Usf4) Maybe they will finance marketing.
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