Nvidia Lied To Its Customers - Arkham Knight PC Port Done By 12 People

TheArabGamer writes: "Batman PC port has received a lot of criticism for its poor optimization and 60 FPS lock which contradicts the video released by Nvidia a few weeks back. Rocksteady has also stated that it's Batman Arkham Knight PC port was outsourced and done by 12 people."

[nX]

Damn that sounds bad all around, PC gamers have it pretty tough these days.

[RashBandicoot]

You have no idea. I was very stoked when Nvidia showed its Batman Arkham features only to realize it was all a lie. Worse yet I'm not even willing to get the PS4 version, this whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth...

[zeal0us]

I think we can all agree that Batman:AK is gunning for the Assassin Creed Unity award.

[KrystofKage1]

@frostypants

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[ELE_Victim]

Ah, Hydrolex, part of the entitled generation and cancer of the gaming hobby.

[gamertk421]

And ban in 3...2...1...

[JamesBroski]

The cancer of PC gaming are shitty ports like this one. They deserve to be pirated. No one should support lazy ports like this one. I understand a lot of you pre-ordered it and cannot do anything about it, but for the rest, not a single penny should go to them. As soon as they release a patch that will make the work run like it was meant to be on PC everyone should go and actually buy it. That's how you voice your disagreement.

[bouzebbal]

let me get this straight: between this and fanboys bitching about PC footage being shown at Sony's 2014 e3 conference because NO WAY a PS4 can look that good.
There you have it fellas! It was PS4 footage.

[starchild]

I entered this comment section expecting to see a lot of console fanboys using this crappy port as an excuse to bash PC gaming and I wasn't disappointed. Great job, guys, you never let me down.

When the PC gets a bad port the fanboy chatter is all about how terrible PC gaming supposedly is, but when consoles get a bad port then it's all the devs fault and is quickly forgotten.

The vast majority of games run just fine on my PC. The few that don't usually still run better on my PC than they would on my console. For example, AC Unity apparently runs fairly badly on consoles and a lot of PC gamers had complaints too, but I run that game at about 45 to 65 fps on a G-Sync monitor and the experience is much better than I could get on my console, both in terms of graphics and performance. I'm just saying, we need to put these things into proper perspective.

[Ezz2013]

I swear to god
If any one try to defend this port

I will punch someone.

[USMC_POLICE]

Agreed I upgraded to a 970 for this and witcher 3, I have all the other batmans on pc but after seeing what's going on I think I'll get it on my ps4.

[R6ex]

Steam Refund!

[ShinMaster]

If you do have a PS4 you shouldn't pass on it. The game is still brilliant runs rock solid on it.

[d3nworth1]

@ starchild So exactly what is the minimum number of fanboys required to be alot? Cuz I didn't see anyone bash PC.

[T900]

Lol Sony gamers trying to show the PC getting all the bad ports.

If you look at it there are more bad ports on consoles vs than on PC and even then when PC does have a bad port it still runs better than the consoles.

Claiming "the PS4 version runs great" sure it might be console standard which means not dipping down in to the teens as most games do on console. Again even in their poor state most PC ports run way better than the console versions.

@d3n

Starchild is right. Please care to scroll down read all console gamer comments.

[Ka7be]

Nvidia is very malicious company. their bad business practices and ugly monopoly are really hurting the industry. PC gamers need to buy AMD videos card and show Nvidia the finger!

[bixxel]

Any company that makes PC port with NViDIA's help makes it into the list of top ten worst ports.

[T900]

@Ka7be

AMD is a console sell out, as a pc gamer thats the last company i would touch lol.

If anything Its AMD thats the reason for the entire industry slow down. The sooner they go under the better for the industry.

[Braid]

Bane didn't break the Bat. PC port however, successfully did.

[Gazondaily]

Twelve people??!! Lmao what on earth is that about?!!

[badz149]

Seriously, what ever happened to "all games are made on pc" thing? Are they not? This is an honest question because it seems like the PS4 version is running great.

So the PS4 was the lead platform where they developed the game on to begin with and then port it to pc? Is that how this works? I just can't get my head around this just yet.

At least with Bethesda's game, all version are buggy at launch because they developed it on pc and if the original pc code is buggy, all the other ports will be buggy too, most likely, right?

[Immorals]

Battlefront has ps4 as lead platform too.

I do not like this approach. Its trouble.

[kneon]

It's not trouble for PS4 gamers as the lead platform will almost always be the least buggy.

[CernaML]

When they say that games are "made on PC" they actually mean all the assets (graphics, sounds, animation, etc). The actual game code is written for the platform they intend to release it on.
If its a Playstation exclusive, all source code will be meant to execute on a Playstation, not a PC.
In this case, the lead code was for PS4/X1 first and then ported to run on PC.

[Haru]

because PS4MasterRace

[thekhurg]

This stopped being the normal practice for most developers when console profitability for developers/publishers overtook PC.

As much as gamers don't want to admit, these guys make games for a living, not out of the kindness of their hearts. They need stuff to sell well and review well. They need to appeal to a larger market, and right now, that's PS4.

It's a pendulum though, so it's going to change from generation to generation.

[badz149]

PS4MasterRace? I do hope Sony doesn't have anything to do with this. It's bad enough already that nVidia is basically paying devs to cripple AMD card performance by making them use their exclusive tools.

But the way I'm seeing it is, WB is expecting low profit margin on PC so they minimize the spending of porting it.

[Kleptic]

Badz149:

Every game is developed on a 'computer' of some sort, and neither the PS4 or Xbox One run the kind of programs needed for actual development of the game...

but developing a game on a 'computer' in no way means its automatically good to go for 'PC', either...In a lot of cases (depending on what type of middleware they're working with) development can be done on a different OS than windows to begin with...

The devs then have console dev kits they can use to test various phases of the development, and output a lot of parameters and feedback on what needs to be improved...which is then done on a computer again...

The consoles have a whole series of API suites to use for development, and many of those things don't translate directly to a DX11 or earlier PC game...so a PC version needs to be ported out of that console code...DX12 is supposed to help with that...and if mantle is anything to go by, it'll help a lot...

[s45gr32]

No what happened was the game was made on PC with the PS4 as the lead platform. Meaning, using Sony's dev kit that gets plug into the PC then ported over to console. What Rocksteady did was shady as hell, by outsourcing Batman Arkham Knight to Iron Galaxy studios (an upcoming indie studio made of 12 people) for the PC version. As for the Witcher 3, that was plain nitpicking for the game looked as close as possible to the 2013 game trailer, plus the 2013 game trailer visual fidelity was achieved within 3 days due to mods. ..

[Skizelli]

@s45gr32

An upcoming indie studio? Iron Galaxy has been around since 2008 and have something like 25 games/ports (mostly ports) under their belt. They're kind of like a modern day Acclaim.

[VJGenova]

I wonder if this is why this game and MKX were showing up on g2a and cdkeys for more than half off ...

[DevilOgreFish]

I haven't picked it up yet. I guess I'll just wait for the big discounts to arrive.

[fermcr]

The funny thing is that they just increased the price of the game at Steam. It was 50€... now it's 55€.

WB Studios just become the worst company in the world.

[Ezz2013]

Lol, i just saw it too

[UltraNova]

Well it costed 50 because they had 12 people working on the PC port, now that Rocksteady is involved in fixing, sorry, developing the rest of the PC port they need more salary money.

Hope that helps, cheers.

[Magicite]

dont mention it

[willsk]

One bad port doesn't mean that PC gamers have it bad at all. In fact we are spoiled with choice. Thanks for the concern though.

[GameForever]

Works fine on my system, except when the Nvidia GameWorks stuff is turned on, game crashed randomly. I have a GTX 970.

NVidia GameWorks are resource hogs and they really don't enhance games that much, at least not for all the problems that many have when running them.

[Ezz2013]

You are Nvidia user
That's why you don't have a problem
but you are one of the few BTW

AMD on the other hand had to suffer

I wish they just make two different versions of the game
One for AMD users with no physx or gamework
and one for Nvidia users

[sander9702]

It's not so bad if you've got a PS4/Xbox one as a backup like I do but the people who play on PC that can't afford to buy a good graphics card, PS4 or Xbox one are the ones that have it really rough.

[subtenko]

Well u know how it goes.. "PC Master Race..."

I game on PS4 and PC. No way am I missing out on PlayStation!

[OneAboveAll]

But PC master race... lol yea right.

[Rimfro]

Meh. It's not that bad. Most titles I play, I'm playing at 1440p/144fps. Some multiplats are like this, unfortunately, but this is usually not an issue. But when you look at all of the ground-breaking gaming experiences, and the way pc games are showcasing new sides to gaming, and telling new stories not ever confronted by games, I'll live. I've always felt like the Batman games have been a bit overrated lately.

[crazychris4124]

Ill grab the GOTY edition next year when it drops below $30. Dont mind waiting cuz I finally got around to playing Arkham City now.

[RashBandicoot]

It's funny how all the Arkham games had great PC ports and then this happens. I hope Fallout 4 doesn't end up like this.

[DemonChicken]

It's bethedsa, expect bugs

With consideration of their track record

[frostypants]

@TheArabGamer, you hope a Bethesda RPG doesn't end up buggy because of this? LOL. Dude, Bethesda RPGs have always been the buggiest messes this side of a DICE Battlefield release, even since the days that PC was their ONLY platform. If Fallout 4 is buggy as hell, it won't be because of this. It will be because Bethesda is Bethesda. Hell, it could only get BETTER by trying a different lead platform. Maybe they'll get one of them to be stable on release day for a change.

[Doodleburger]

Arkham city was a terrible, delayed, broken port, and was done in house by rocksteady. Which is why i didn't buy this one. I don't think rocksteady would've done any better, and the fact that they decided to toss the pc version off and focus on consoles is just another big middle finger to their pc customer base.

[ELE_Victim]

That's the right way to handle game releases these days. Waiting 6 months and getting the complete efition for half price with all the bugs fixed.

[Castle333]

It's like they are begging us NOT to pre order. Like we need it anymore reasons not to.

[Omnisonne]

Someone cracked the code :D

[KontryBoy706]

.... most of us bought the game on PC for $35 INCLUDING the season pass... where you been?

[GameForever]

I did.

[Peace_Love_and_FPS]

Saving my money for a game that will work that's where

[OhMyGandhi]

I don't get it. Did they even test the game? Do they have testers? or is there just a single quadriplegic chimpanzee sitting in front of an old tv in a small, stuffy room with no A/C that does "his best"?

[Skate-AK]

Releasing a broken game is cheaper than delaying one.

[SteamPowered]

Hey, we survived the GTA V delays...

[SilentNegotiator]

That's the best summary I've read of the industry's problem with releasing buggy games.

[Seafort]

Is it? The amount of flak from customers and gaming media will surely hurt their bottom line.

Many PC gamers are getting a refund on steam due to the shoddy port.

I don't think releasing a broken game is worth it at all.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto

[badz149]

@RustedMan

Is that a Gintama reference or am I just thinking too much?

[Zero109]

It is lol

[OhMyGandhi]

I was not aware of such a reference.
But that is hilarious, nonetheless.
edit: just looked it up. Would you recommend that I watch the show?

[kaizokuspy]

@rusted man I recommend it as it has a lot of episodes. Not so much a story driven show, but a fun watch nonetheless

[uth11]

And by 12 people, they mean 'unpaid interns'. Psychology majors with "Learn C++ in 24 hours" books on their desks. (in case you thought the news can't get worse :P )

[Grap]

C++ for dummies**
Hell even illiterate people would know something is wrong with this game.

[Live_Larry]

Ya... I'm sure they put Psych majors with no CS knowledge or experience in charge of porting over a million lines of high level code without any directions or supervision... /s

Such an easy task... /s

[uth11]

http://biobeasts.artix.com/...

[Allsystemgamer]

I booked the day off work to play this and it runs like garbage. Shame on them. I'm never buying another rocksteady game. I don't care if it was outsourced. They contracted it to 12 damn people. Idiots. Complete ignorance.

[OhMyGandhi]

I did as well.

I also don't care that it was outsourced, it is the job of Rocksteady/WB to ensure that Iron Galaxy was putting out an even remotely finished product.
Did they just say to Iron Galaxy, "Just do a good job, m'kay? pinky promise? I'll see how you guys did on Tuesday."

[Allsystemgamer]

Don't announce a game for a platform if you're not going to get it done. Period. I bought the game because of the nvidia trailer and it was a complete friggin lie!

[D1ZZLA]

Its not really rocksteadys fault its mostly Warner Brothers fault

[MasterCornholio]

All versions deserve to made as best as possible.

What they did was unacceptable.

[MadLad]

Well said.

If you release on separate platforms, you should cater to those platforms.

[MasterCornholio]

Well yes I agree. If they were going to release the PC version in this state I believed it would have been much better to just delay it or cancel it.

No one should have to deal with an unplayable game. Sure a delay would anger some people but having a playable game is alot more important.

[Sashamaz]

I think platforms should be treated equal to the profit they generate, if PC has highest profit then they get more time applied to the next game in the series. The first three games were not buggy and they were equal on all platforms but how much profit did they generate on PC in proportion to the other platforms?

That said I agree with what every one has said, this game is a buggy mess on PC, a part of me regrets buying it, first it was MKX and now this, I don't mind ports but when they put in such little effort it is just offensive, never pre-ordering WB games, I've learnt a hard lesson.

[--bienio--]

Unbelievable!!! I just pay 15f for Batman but still Its give bad taste all around. Shame on You Rocksteady:/

[_-EDMIX-_]

Rocksteady doesn't own the IP, WB Games does, they are the ones that got a bad port team to do it.

and 15 people merely ported it, most port teams are made up around the same number of people. It doesn't take that much folks to port a game. The quality of their work is more questionable then the team size.

[Kleptic]

yeah, some seem to be confused on what most likely happened...

the team size doesn't matter...in fact, in a lot of cases, a smaller team of people porting software is ideal...

but...this team was probably hired for a set amount of money, and an even smaller set amount of time...Who knows when they got a final build to effectively port (apparently after Nvidia did har har)...and it obviously didn't work out...

WB is who to blame...I'm not saying RS is guilt free, but most of these issues are related to the publisher and their deadlines...which is where most game development problems reside...

[sourav93]

http://cloud-4.steamusercon...

[yewles1]

And your NEEEEWW worst publisher ever...

[badz149]

Honest question.

Bethesda has been releasing buggy games since like forever. Why are they never nominated as worst dev? I can't remember any of their recent games to be bug free. Last gen alone, from the horse armor DLC debacle to Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim and Dishonored...all have troubles on all platforms. Skyrim was especially buggy on all platform but didn't stop the media making it GoTY.

I am not backing Rocksteady here because what they did is terribly wrong but just asking.

[yewles1]

I think this has more to do with the current situation mounting on top of everything else that's been WB's apparent MO for the past couple of years. At least Bethesda TRIES to fix their stuff before moving on to expansions, unlike WB and, say for example, Arkham Origins...

[xPhearR3dx]

Mostly because Bethesda games are giant open worlds with huge attention to detail along with lots of complex systems and gameplay mechanics. So when you have a game with hundreds of quest and millions of variables to each situation, bugs are excepted. And yes, while Bethesda games usually come around with bugs here and there, their also very playable. I've played Fallout, Skyrim, ESO etc all on consoles and PC, and I've never had any issues close to what I'm having with this game.

Batman is open world, yes. But there's nothing really going on in that world like in Bethesda games, or even Rockstar games like GTA. Not saying the Batman games are terrible because of it, but their scale and complexity isn't on the same level as those games. So the PC version running at 10FPS on top of the line PC hardware is a huge problem.

[tjg59]

I had no problems with skyrim until the updates

[Gh05t]

Honest Answer.

People like Bethesda games and are willing to put up with bugs considering the experience they get.

Is it fair... no but its life.

Obviously this is generalized as i know many people that refuse to play Bethesda games purely because of thier bugs. But I know more people that will fight through those bugs to play the large amounts of content.

Both my buddy and I had currupted save files from New Vegas: He stopped playing the game and was turned off by ot. I restarted and decided to play a different type of character. It all depends on how tou want to approach it.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Yeah, this is the last game I preorder for PC.

[Castle333]

You should have known better, MKX should have been evidence enough of what was to come.

[JamesBroski]

The limited editions delayed, Batmobile canceled and now this shitty PC port. Seriously?

[Furesis]

and they even DELAYED the game and still they didnt have the time to port it in house... maybe a smaller delay for pc was in order and i finally understand why sometimes pc games are delayed

[Sir_Simba]

Just when we were in the middle of a good high quality AAA's, WB had to F*ck it up

[mysteryraz11]

good

[Two-Face]

Warner Bros, the publisher behind Mortal Kombat X and Batman: AK. Both atrocious ports.

I hope people take notice and don't buy their shit anymore. Starting with Mad Max.

[VJGenova]

I learned after MKX, fortunate for me I guess. Shadow of Mordor ran alright aside from shitty xfire support, but I'm shocked when xfire actually works these days.

[zombie78rock]

Witcher 3 is a Warner Bros game also so I don't think so.

[Ezz2013]

It had tons of problem at launch
and on top of that alot of it problems are yet to be fixed
that's why we are on our way to 1.07 patch

[Gwiz]

Remasters are great!!!,don't want them?don't buy them.
Side-effects?you're being paranoid it's an invest into the 8th gen.

[mEGUSTO]

Yep, this is why we spend thousands of dollars on pc hardware.
to be treated like fucking sub-humans
smfh at the state of pc gaming

[Sokol]

And this is a prime example I stopped with keeping up with my system.

I do normal every few years upgrade to enjoy games on regular settings.

It's not worth it anymore, its clear where developers and publishers are asking. There are still few good games here and there but I don't see the outrageous stupidity Rocksteady and WB pulled off stopping in future.

As for pre ordering games? Yeah that's a waste of bloody time and money anymore. All we get are buggy unfinished games that require multiple patches and weeks to work properly.

This is the industry we are in now. I don't know how long it will last before another crash.

[Gwiz]

They literally wrapped a POS (game) into a diaper (Denuvo)

[dolkrak]

Kinda hurts when you buy a 1500$ PC and all you get are garbage ports like that. That's why I play on PS4, you're a second class citizen on PC.

On PC, when it's not stuttering or unplayable or coming 1 year later (GTA) or not at all (every console exclusive), you must change drivers or tweak settings and when it finally works it looks the same as on consoles, so why bother... No thanks, already got a job.

[Gwiz]

Not all games are like this on PC,granted many configurations requires a lot of fine tuning.It's the way some of these studios put a half assed effort into a product while you pay the same fees,and no less have less " ownership " of said product.I'm amazed to see people are actually praising this kind of anti-consumer option.Ever since 2005 i questioned this model and not since very recently you have the option to a refund.

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol, agreed. Though I game on PC and PS4, your correct with that statement. I mainly play PC exclusives on my PC, titles that are not likely to appear on PS4 or control better on PC etc.

My next build will be for around that price, but I'm not about to tell you one is better then the other. The fact of the matter is, on PS4 I can just jump in and play, vs on PC where I have to fix, change, turn off, driver download, driver delete, diagnose etc. Its not even funny how long it can take getting a game to work without crashing, mind you....you might be doing this thinking its YOUR setup, turns out....its on their end. But who the hell knows half the time? lol.

Love PC gaming though, will still build a new rig, but will always have a console too! I'm here foremost to actually play games, settings, speeds, mods etc mean nothing if you can't even get the game to run without crashing due to zero fault of your own.

Fallout 3 is a funny example, I own it on PC, yet had to redownload it on another HDD I had as it didn't support Win 7 lol. I have a note pad with a bunch of changes to certain games when I start playing them as in "remember to turn off V-sync when I play this game" lol. It has enormous draw backs that I can't blame many if they didn't want to deal with em.

edit-

and to those that don't get porting is not creating.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/01/...

A good read. It wasn't that it was 12 people....it had more to do with those 12 peoples ability or lack their of to do a quality port job.

Aspyr many times has about 10 actual people physically porting the game over.

The rest are part of the company, marketing, accounting etc.

http://www.aspyr.com/

They do an amazing job for how little members they have on hand actually doing the process.

I stand by my statement that this port is bad due to a bad port team and not due to the size of the team as that is actually quite normal when porting games as illustrated.

[Paulino30]

@dolkrk

"you must change drivers or tweak settings and when it finally works IT LOOKS THE SAME AS ON CONSOLES so why bother".

Jajaja Don't kid yourself. Try again. Nice try though.

[dolkrak]

Actually that's even worse, sometimes it even looks better on PS4 (recent Batman, Mortal Kombat X...).

I play both on PC and PS4, there's hardly any graphical differences between Ultra PC and PS4. But on PC half of the games are broken, stuttering or crashing.

Hardly worth the effort and the money...

[Bolts]

What a troll. As a PC and PS4 gamer this entirely untrue.

[clouds5]

Obvious troll is obvious.

There are a few rules to pc gaming imho.

-don't buy games day one without reading others opinions. Steam reviews are all that you need for the most part.
-only pay full price for a game if you want to support the developer. Usually games get their first price reduction/sale after 6 months or even less.
-stuff almost always gets fixed just be patient. If not by the devs then by the community.
-and yeah, if you're not willing to play around with settings and .inis to get the best performance and quality on your hardware you're doing it wrong. Go get a console and be proud of your 1080p/30fps.

[LightofDarkness]

While that is the status quo, we shouldn't accept that scenario. We deserve better than sloppy seconds. The reason why these things keep happening is because of this kind of attitude, i.e. "that's just how it is, it'll resolve itself in a protracted and unorthodox manner." It shouldn't be that way. The Witcher 3 had some mild issues at launch that were quickly dealt with, and the game was more than playable from day 1. I will not make any further excuses for hack developers.

[ginsunuva]

troll harder

[PlayableGamez]

I hope we get some free DLC, or they can kiss their PC audience goodbye.

[hellothere1977]

Why would it make it all better if they threw you some table scraps they left off the main course?

If it hasn't been done already, these companies will start to set aside a "special" dlc they cut from the game to appease people when they knowingly release sub standard and broken games.

It's the same smoke and mirrors... they just now added more mirrors to change up the formula a bit. Sadly 90% of people can't figure it out.

[Roccetarius]

This seems to me like a new low has been achieved, as far as PC ports go. WB cutting corners again, sacrificing the PC version while cuddling their golden goose console version. That damn cancer needs to go sooner rather than later.

People should be using their refund option in Steam.

[silvacrest]

a lot of people, including myself, bought steam keys from sites like g2a so no refund for us.

but i will tell you this much, i will never preorder a PC game again

[Tonykid]

wow 12 people that's amazing

[badz149]

So...you're not even mad?

[Tonykid]

nope... Give them a bit more time and things could have been better.

[LgbtWarrior]

Look the truth is no console developer wants to bother with a pc port. That market doesn't sell but they feel like they need to so the pc community don't complain. Pc is outdated, the pc community is dead. Look at the sales of multi plat games. Pc always sells poorly. Pc can't replicate the living room console experience. Console Games are meant for console experiences, not a 15 inch screen, keyboard experience. Let's just get real about it.

[Paulino30]

You are wrong. I have had consoles my whole life and recently got a pc capable of playing games on high to ultra settings. I haven't played my ps4 in almost 2 months.

The ps4 visuals don't compare to pc. The witcher 3 and gta v look way better on my 22" monitor than my 46" smart tv.

I am disappointed the game is performing so bad, but as far as pc being outdated and using keyboards, you can upgrade parts at anytime witch you can't do until new consoles are released and I play all my games with an Xbox one controller. Don't know how you got to those conclusions.

[ginsunuva]

He's a dedicated troll account. Don't bother.

[Paleblood]

PC technical issues race

[Str8Chaos74]

Bound to happen when you can play at higher than 2009 laptop specs. Enjoy your 30fps Fallout 4 and every other game lol.

[Bismarn]

I think we're missing the important take-away here:

I humbly demand a new meme around "Done by 12 People" to be appended to anything game related that fails.

[D1ZZLA]

Yes i totally agree

[Bismarn]

see above

[TheBurger29]

Made my day.

[Father__Merrin]

if you run a gtx 980 in sli it irons it all out.....

other than that you are better of with the console version which still looks great and is less headache to run

[Adexus]

SLi doesn't even work in the game at the moment :\

[silvacrest]

only need to spend near a 1000 for it to work great? seems legit

[Bladesfist]

I have SLI GXT 980s and this game came with one. Will install and leave my results after work. I find it hilarious in a laugh through the tears way when games run poorly on this rig. Although that does not happen very often at all.

Hall of Shame

DayZ
Ark: Survival Evolved

Although in their defence these games are in Early Access.

Proof:
For that one guy that does not believe that PC Gamers can own high end hardware and that we all run games on Walmart computers. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7...

[Koopdogg]

@Bladesfist

Please enlighten the community how ARK falls under the hall of Shame.

You were told time and time again by the devs that optimisation was NOT top of the list at the beginning and would run bad with max 30 fps.

STOP trying to put down a game you clearly knew nothing about !!!!!!!!!!!

[Bladesfist]

I'm not putting the game down, I'm just listing games that I have played on this setup that perform badly. Those were the only games I could think of.

I'm guessing it is the hall of shame title you find offensive. Switch that out with "Games that perform badly on SLI 980s"

[fullmetal297]

The 3.5gb RAM gate is in many gamers mind and now this lie. Keep this up and AMD might steal their lead.

[silvacrest]

did you not see the issues AMD cards have with this game and many other games?

i really like AMD but they always seem to have issues

[That_Guy244]

Well guess I can keep my money and add Rocksteady to my list of shit developer's.I don't really see how Nvidia lied to me as they didn't make the game all they did was provide Rocksteady with there software for new features and show a trailer to promote those features. They never promised me 60fps or Ultra high res textures nor is it there responsibility to that is Rocksteady's as the developer.

[windblowsagain]

Interactive Paper Debris. HAhahahahahahahha.

Priceless

[oasdada]

12 people??? you serious??

[SyphonELITE]

Good thing i only paid $21 and not $60 for this. I would of killed myself!

[cfc83]

Can't blame them really. Unified system and higher selling points mean the consoles take priority. It's simple business, and high rig pc are not a big enough market.

[jmc8888]

You forget, it's not all high rig. Medium rig can outperform a PS4/XB1 easily.

The market isn't huge, but it's still considerably large that can play games of this sort.

What you also forget is that PC games lead the future. What I mean by that is simple. Whatever you see on a console, you generally saw first on a PC. Thus, it is in their best interests to develop and push the PC, so that they can learn how to implement it better on a weaker system for their next game...the consoles.

In other words, when you get experience pushing those new graphical techniques on PC, then the next version you can try to implement them on console, and do so better then if you are starting from scratch.

So yes, not doing PC games, means your console games are more inferior then they should be because you aren't trying until the last second.

Well run companies understand the PC market helps you improve the games on the console market.

It's simple business. You want to make superior products, and the best way to ensure consistently having the best tech in your console games, is by trying to make advanced PC versions.

Again, that's simple business.

[Sevir]

There is a hit and miss when developers outsource their games to another development house. Rocksteady Made good on the PS4 and XBO versions, Warner Brothers interactive and publishing should have made sure the PC port by "12 people" was QA'd to proper quality standards.

I'm happy the PS4 version plays this well.

[Malice-Flare]

so, PC Master Race gamers complaining they have to do some work to optimize the game on their rigs. isn't that how it's always been? you have the options to tweak the game as you like and you, now, want the devs to do it for you, even though they have no idea what components you have? such entitlement...

nVidia didn't lie to anyone, like real PC gamers, they tweaked the game internally, on their own, to their liking. the only thing nVidia MAYBE culpable for, is allegedly sabotaging AMD graphics performance with their Gameworks software...

my issue would be your problems bleeding into the console gamer's experience with games that have big Day-1 3.5G patches...

[s45gr32]

Sadly is true, PC gamers always end up fixing and patching their games via mods or ini files. Luckily, game stores like www.g2a.com offer game keys at major discounts. Seriously is not worth it to buy third party games on PC during launch day and at full price. If third party game developers want PC gamers to buy their product at full price released the game with the bare minimum of bugs. Look at City Skylines, Monstroum, Kholat, Pillars of Eternity. PC gamers bought these games at full price not at a discount due to these games offered the game with the bare minimum of technical deficiencies.

[joel01]

Playing this game on ps4 and it runs flawlessly ! love the combat system and it looks amazing to me :) Hopefully the pc issues will be resolved soon so that more people can enjoy this great game

[s45gr32]

Once again modders and pc gamers are fixing this game.

[kaizokuspy]

It makes me angry for pc gamers. If you bought the season pass and the game before reading the meltdown that is arkham knight on pc, you have all the right to be angry. I haven't bought it yet for any platform. Doesn't matter the lead platform, who gets mods, what the master race is. What matters is a quality experience, whether the game can be beaten in an hour or whether it lasts 100s. $60, or $35, the game was bought with the intended purpose of playing it. PC gamers should get a refund.

Does steam allow refunds for it? I don't know their policy.

[s45gr32]

Yes, Steam offers refunds 😃

[StormSailor]

LOL...

[s45gr32]

Seriously, are third party game developers under pressure from Sony and Microsoft. Why was Batman Arkham Knight outsourced to an upcoming indie studio (Iron Galaxy Studios) . That is messed up. Lucky Steam offers refunds. Expect major Steam refunds from this game

[WitWolfy]

In 2 weeks it will work just fine. Sheesh these gamers of today are such self entitled whinners, if you dont like it then get your money back.

[windblowsagain]

Rich man in a suit.

[saphiron]

This is a shame.

Did not run good at first, but i changed some settings.

turned off fog and paper in gameworks
Turned off in game AA - Removes the muddy filer
set Max fps to 60 in ini file
Make shure PhysX is set to GPU
Enable tripplebuffer

Now it runs quite good, not perfect

Its mostly locked at 60fps, but when it dips its mostly in the batmobile, lowest i seen is 40fps.

There are still some stutters here and there, but much less.

GTX 970 OC to 1520mhz

[masterfox]

see people thats why I keep telling you theres no reason to pay for a 1000/800 dlls gpu, when NVIDIA shows their tech is just pure PR BS. I mean I would be very freaking mad to have a $1500 dlls PC cfg and then buy a game and try to ran it at max settings just to finally realize the game runs like CR#$p! my damn investment goes to the drain until a worthy PC dev does something good, this of course if you are only planning play games on your PC only.

My price point for a new GPU capable of running every damn game at max settings easily has to 350 bucks more than that you better be some-kind of designer.

[Sniperwithacause]

Well I guess the only thing to do now is to get 12 new people to fix it.

[Maxor]

Settle down children. It's not that bad. I'm playing this @ 2K completely untweaked and it's very playable in a PS4 Bloodborne on launch day kind of way. The difference is, and it should be noted, is that PS4 gamers consider Bloodborne's performance as acceptable while PC gamers playing the same game would think of it as broken and unplayable. The 30 fps cap in particular outraged the master race. They feel like the cap infringes upon their god given right to play games in maxed details beyond 1080p @ 30+ FPS.

It's not AC Unity bad, and it sure as hell isn't RAGE bad. The game is just unoptimized right now, and that I'm sure it'll be patched to 2K 60 fps goodness in two to three weeks easy.

[holdmyown83]

This is the same company that did the shitty port of borderlands 2 on the vita.

[The_BlackHeart__]

So, let me guess. The Witcher 3 for GOTY? I mean, its full of bugs and glitches, but somehow DC Project Red managed to slip them through the cracks and get all the good press. Batman, in the other hand, is getting really bad press and you don't get to GOTY with this much controversy.

[FPS_D3TH]

Don't get it on Xbox one and its a great game period.

[Poroz]

Wow. Speachless!

[Hotabang]

first they cancel the batmobile edition, then the replacement memorial edition i got was so badly packaged (from within), comic damaged, art book damaged. Also, the "statue" looks really cheap, and is made from cheap plastic.
now this >_< wth r they doing.

on a side note, im glad to see the arabgamer's posts trending on n4g lately, ive been checking his stuff from time to time and im glad his articles are getting the attention it deserves ^_^

[FastRedPonyCar]

And here is a prime example of why steam refunds are a necessary thing. Too many gamers getting burned by terrible ports.

[Harmonizer]

Im guessing the build used for the Nvidia trailer is not the one released on Steam.

WB probably ended up releasing their most stable build (Oh the irony..).

Personally i'm gonna wait for the complete/GOTY edition sometime around christmas or early next year.

[Tzuno]

This kind of decisions and attitude toward gamers need to stop and the only thing that will draw their attention is for you people to vote with your wallet because that is the only language they understand, you pay full price for a product and they don't even have the respect for you, well dear customer hurt them by not buying the game or they will continue this way.

[fanboysmackdown]

Plays great on my PS4.

[FPS_D3TH]

So glad I moved onto consoles after the Half Life 2 days. Looks like the only thing worth going back for is steam sales lol. Pass.

[Enigma_2099]

I'm stunned. STUNNED... that people are still surprised when this happens. Publishers have been prioritizing consoles over PC ports for as long as I can remember.

[Claudinho69]

karma for trash talking about console graphics.

[kodeindahjunk]

Hahahaha.. i always buy AMD cards. I don't want to support Nvidia, and i believe you should do the same. We need to give AMD a way to compete with Nvidia again. Do that, then you will be able to buy cheap cards with stable drivers from both companies in the future.

Btw, many games are not expected to make tons of money on PC. That's why PC ports are so fcuikng miserable.

[Poroz]

Welcome to the industry standard! It's going to get worse before it gets better. Unfortunately (hopefully not)

[formanbradley]

This is becoming the norm, so much for your little PC master race when no matter how powerful your machine is you can't run it right.

[NBT91]

I caved in and bought the Batman limited edition PS4 with the game.
But it bloody sucks that I had to buy that when my GTX 970 rig apparently isn't good enough to run this game.

My inner Batman fanatic got the best of me and I feel dirty giving WB / Rocksteady any money for how they have treated PC gamers.
PC gamers are gamers like everyone else, if you treat them as such, they WILL buy your game and support your company... But games like Arkham Knight are to blame for piracy and PC gamers waiting to buy it for 40% off in a sale.

I will say I plan to sell the game after I've finished it and not support any of the ££££ of DLC that is no doubt planned.
..
Might keep the Batman special edition PS4, though.. It's a looker. :D

[susanto1228]

Done with Rocksteady.....have bought there other Batman titles but it stops now...this has to STOP. All for the almighty dollar...optimize the games for consoles and port out a shitty PC version is a bad way of doing business. I just let my console buddies know of this who also own PC's and they are screw that....The list of faithful developers is dwindling if Bethesda ever lets me down it's time to call it quits...the gaming industry as a whole is going down the ^%&^%^&^& .

[Bolts]

Console games like Drive Club, Bloodborne, Littlebig Planet, AC Unity, BF4, Destiny and Halo never have launch day issues. Everything runs just fine right out of the gate!

[DARK_SOLDIER101]

iron galaxy has nothing to do with that poor pc port < the thing is Rocksteady want the pc version look like Sh*t to increase sales on console $$$$ this is the business

[Paulino30]

@ doltrak

Obvious ps4 fanboy. Ps4 can barely handle witcher 3 as it is now with all the frame drops. Imagine with ultra settings. maybe the ps4 is equal to your computer, but that just means you have outdated hardware.