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Sony: Remasters Serve The 40 Percent Of PS4 Owners That Didn't Own A PlayStation 3

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"During our conversation with Sony president of worldwide studios Shuhei Yoshida, we spoke about the wave of remasters that the company has and continues to issue. We asked about the company's thought process behind reissuing older games just one generation later."

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SaveFerris3235d ago

Interesting stuff. So remasters, BC and PS Now will be important for some gamers who are looking to get a current gen console.

chrisx3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

yea. Alot of xbox360 owners and non Ps gamers jumped onto the Ps4 train so the remasters make some sense.

Cupid_Viper_33235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

I had yet to offer my 2 cents on this issue, so here I go.

First off, let's understand one thing very clearly. On it's own, the XBox One's BC is a good thing for XBox One and XBox 360 owners. Meaning that if you're looking at it in a vacuum without any causes, but just the effects and impact it will have. The issues only flare up when you take this great news for the Xbox Camp, and try to use it as ammo vs Sony and the PS4. We can get into that later.

Out of the Big 3 (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft) Sony is known to not only release more games than its competitors, but to also support their consoles for the longest duration of time. A support which directly translate into major games (new IPs and existing big franchises) still being made and released on older consoles when the competition has all but moved on and shift focus onto the upcoming generation.

You should understand that one of the main reasons why Sony released more remasters than the competition is directly related to the FACT that hey have MANY great franchises to actually remaster. If the competition knew of many different games that they could make money from by remastering them, you best believe they would. But you can't really remaster much from the XBox Beyond Halo and Gears, and maybe Fable? Forza get's a new release every other year. What else would Microsoft remaster that would sell enough to offset the cost of development?

The PlayStation 4 was announced in February 2013. The Last of us was released in June 2013. Beyond 2 Souls was released on October 8, 2013 (One month before the release of the PS4). Gran Turismo 6 which is arguably Sony's #1 system seller was released for the PS3 3 weeks after the PS4 was released. I don't need to tell you guys that the competition would never do something like. They would of shafted their current user base and shift everything to the new console, EXACTLY, like they did.

In other words, Sony knew that the PS4 would cannibalize the sales of GT6, Beyond 2 Souls, and TLoU, but they released it regardless. How many people would buy a PS3 when the PS4 is right around the corner. There is a reason why sales of current gen consoles take a sharp dive once the newer consoles hit the market. Most people want the new product. So based on the fact that they didn't shaft PS3 owners and move the BIG Guns to the PS4, they have more reasons than any of the competitors to make remasters of said games.

Now not every game that is remastered by Sony was released late in the PS3's life cycle. So this rule doesn't apply to every single remastered game. So this is when you consider the other legit reasons why remasters are made. The Wii sold 100+ million consoles, and the Xbox 80+ million, and the PS3 80+ million as well for an approximate total of 260+ million gamers. Meaning that are a possible 180+ million gamers who never owned a PS3, and who probably never played some of the best games on the PS3. Not to mention the folks who would love to see some of their most beloved franchise get a nice fresh coat of upgraded graphics/performance boost, etc. The remasters are for these markets.

BC is nice, and I would never turn that down. I still play Polyphony Digital's Tourist Trophy to this day, and it's a PS2 game. Truth is, if you want to play PS3 games, Sony makes very reliable products and some 90% of all PS3 sold works just fine even today, you should turn on your PS3 and play PS3 games.

If you've never own a PS3 and would like to check out their catalog while still supporting the devs who made those games, Remasters or PSNow are probably for you.

If you don't own any console at all and only own a Sony TV and want to play PS3, PS2, PS1 games, you should also check out PSNow.

Gazondaily3235d ago

To simplify the above:

Lots of people moved over to PS4. Sony can capitalise on the $$$ with the 'new crowd' by making the remasters .

Simple as that. It makes perfect business sense.

Nineball21123235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

The remasters are good but BC for the Xbox One has me thinking...

Ok, full disclosure. I had an Xbox 360, but I got it kind of late in it's cycle and I ended up gifting to my niece. I didn't play on it too much because I felt like I had everything I needed on my PS3.

I now own a PS4 and I'm happy with it so far.

Since I didn't game on my 360 much, AND with this backwards compatibility announced, I'm entertaining the idea of getting a Xbox One. That way I can not only play the exclusives on the Xbox One, but I can also play those 360 games that I didn't get to play.

What's everyone's NON-TROLLISH opinion on that? Did the 360 have a big enough exclusive library to justify sinking money into a Xbox One at this point?

My only concern is time constraints. At some point, I'll have more than enough to keep me busy on just the PS4, let alone trying to play games on both systems.

Concertoine3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

@Nineball

It totally did. The early life of the 360 in particular was defined by a wide variety of software. Lost Odyssey is considered by many to be a hidden gem and one of the best JRPGs last gen, and it was on 360.

Alan Wake, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Shadow Complex, Condemned, Deadly Premonition, Viva Pinata, the Forza games...

dantesparda3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

@Nineball

My none trolling honest opinion is I don't really care after this much time. If it had came out at the release of the system then it would have been much more of a selling point but at this point in time its kind of painful for me to go back and look at last gen graphics. They just look so dated now. They are very low res and fuzzy and have bad frame rates and aliasing everywhere. Heck, current gen systems barely do it for me graphically. Don't get me wrong, its a nice feature to have. But its one of those things that you really want til you get it then you don't really end up using it (well at least that's how it is for me). Unless there was still a bunch of must have games coming out for the 360, I wouldn't even bother. I mean seriously, would you prefer to get FH2 for the X1 or the 360? How about TF? But to each their own and im just telling you how I see it/feel about it, since you're asking. So my advice is, unless you want a X1 for all the other games that are coming out for it I wouldn't get it just for BC. I mean the X1 doesn't even up res the games like the 360 did. And on the 360 you had to wait a long time for them to add games and it wasn't that many and a lot of them had a bunch of problems. I remember I couldn't even play Fight Night 2 even though it was on the list. It would just always freeze at the loading screen. So beware.

Concertoine3235d ago

@dantesparda

This is true. But the first games they're going to make compatible are the 360 exclusives, and thats what Nineball was asking about.

They did the same with the original Xbox BC.

mkis0073235d ago

Nineball

I did just that after ms conference. Best buy had a trade in deal for 175$ I did not want to miss. I will have no need of my 360 now that bc is coming...just make sure all the games you want to play have a good chance of being added. I totally forgot I had superman returns for 360, I love flying around in that game as terrible as that is...probably wont be added. Sunset overdrive is fun ! Would definetly have been recieved better on playstation, but that is sonys own fault.

MightyNoX3235d ago

Lot of converts who jumped ship.

Great job, Sony.

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WelkinCole3235d ago

The thing is though BC, Remasters, PS Now serve different things.

BC is really for those that have a backlog of old existing games to play.

Remasters is for those that don't have these games from previous gen or for those that just want an upgrade version of existing games they have.

PS Now is really for those that want game streaming like with netflix with movies where in time they would also be able to play them on different devices other than exclusively on a gaming console.

I honestly don't understand why people are lumping them all together when each of them predominately serve vastly different purpose for different segment of the market.

phoenix_dusk3235d ago

PS4 have as much non-PS3 owner userbase as Wii U's? Damn!

VJGenova3235d ago

Backwards compatibility would serve them better, Sony.

ravinash3235d ago

But these people don't own any PS3 games, so why would BC be any good for them?

raWfodog3235d ago

I think that might have been a clear case of typing before thinking it through :)

Imalwaysright3235d ago

Because they would be able to buy and play whathever last gen games they wanted to instead of a few select remasters and they would be buying each game for €10 or less instead of paying €50 or €60 for them.

lemoncake3235d ago

Maybe cause you can now pick these games up for almost nothing from used, bargain bins and even digital store. You can even pick up huge packs of past games used for price of one new game.

It's much cheaper than current ps now prices and you are not just renting them.

Dasteru3235d ago

Definitely didn't think that through before posting and actually got 15 agrees.

You have to buy the games either way and PS3 games are cheaper. Or did you think Sony was giving away remasters for free?

mhunterjr3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

They could save a lot of money buying used PS3 games instead of buying re masters...

Remasters are attractive to publishers because they get to republish a game at full price with relatively minimal effort... converters by them in droves because 1) they didn't get to play them previously, and 2) they don't have any other way to play them...

Backwards compatibility would make reason number 2 false, and as a result, would likely reduce the amount of people willing to pay for remastered games.

I have NO IDEA how you got so many agrees....

freshslicepizza3235d ago

sony thinks creating psnow and pushing remasters is better than eating the cost of emulating those games for free. they want to make money after all the money they lost on the ps3.

scottieleverne3235d ago

It would be good to pay $5 for a PS3 game and own it and be able to play it forever on the PS4 without frame-rate dips instead of paying the same amount to stream it for a week. Of course, that would serve me better! It's naive to think otherwise.

FarEastOrient3235d ago

@scottie

Did you forget how bad backward compatibility was from Xbox original to Xbox 360. There's a website dedicated to represent the errors each title produce through the software emulator.

VJGenova3235d ago

Ever hear of this amazing site called ebay? Or this store called gamestop? Well, you can buy older games from there, and then play them ...

It's a "clear case" of Sony trying to maximize profits. Don't blame them. But I call it like I see it.

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Summons753235d ago

Yup, and if MS could figure out how after they said there was no possible way for them to do it then Sony sure as hell can figure a way out too. Do it Sony!

Bathyj3235d ago

PS3 to PS4 was vastly different hardware. It's apples to oranges. X360 to Xbone was just apples to a bigger Apple. If anything their BC proved they really should have had it from the start. Sony is unlikely to ever get it.

SniperControl3235d ago

But they cant due to different system architectures.

Imalwaysright3235d ago

The X1 and 360 also have different architectures and MS did it. Sony could do it too especially when the PS3 has the same architecture as the 360 (powerPC) and PS4 has the same architecture as the X1 (X86).

http://www.redgamingtech.co...

FarEastOrient3235d ago

Why would you refer to Red Gaming Tech, whom have very limited experience in writing source code? You can tell by how they write their articles with a "drive by" experience of the hardware.

Imalwaysright3235d ago

It's just to prove that the 360/ps3 have powerPC architecture and X1/PS4 have x86 architecture. The content of the article besides proving that is of little interest to me.

KingPin3235d ago

indeed it would.

but id want BC done the way the launch ps3s did it via hardware not the way the Xone is doing it.

dont get me wrong, xone BC is a great feature by all means but not all of us can download 8GB in a matter of hours or few days. 8GB a game, 30-40 games....no chance of me downloading all those games again. im better off holding on to my last gen console and play games straight off the disc.

as for hardware BC, well, not only is the chance gone on the PS4 but sony learnt their lesson never to include it coz it drove ps3 prices sky high and everyone moaned. i dont think they were going to risk it a second time with the ps4.

mhunterjr3235d ago

Hardware is ideal, but emulated BC is better than none at all. And it isn't just about playing games that you already own... There are tons of games that folks have missed, I likely would never have played of it weren't for BC...

Your right, not everyone can quickly download games... But you can do it all in the background...

Roccetarius3235d ago

Sony got themselves into a weird situation, mainly because of the Cell. It's different for MS because they didn't use that piece of tech.

Now though, they're trying to sell you a streaming service for the most part.

SakataXGintoki3235d ago

Finally someone who understands :).

For others, I request you to watch Mark Cerny's road to PS4. It will clarify a lot of questions that occur in people's minds.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

SakataXGintoki3235d ago

Thing is, even if Sony wanted to do it they can't. PS4 has an architecture so different from PS3 it could almost be called with another name. They are totally incompatible. The streaming option is the only possible way.

rainslacker3235d ago

It is possible to emulate Cell code on a x86 processor, but it's extremely inefficient. Despite both consoles having a powerPC core last gen, the SPE's in the CELL work more like the processor in a GPU than they do in a CPU. Given that the PS3 used the SPE's to offload graphics tasks to the CPU SPE's, the emulation of SPE code for those processes alone would not be as simple as allowing a more powerful GPU to handle the graphics processes, like in the 360/X1 setup.

Someone up above keeps saying that the CPU cores are the same between the two, which is true, but conveniently leaves out the SPE part which is where the trouble comes in from the PS3->PS4.

Granted, I may be wrong, and Sony may be able to come up with something. I never would have thought MS would have made it happen because it shouldn't be possible given the power of both systems. I doubt Sony will work on it unless X1 BC becomes a real thorn for their marketability.

I actually do find it rather funny people saying it should be possible for Sony now, despite the fact they were the same people who claimed it wasn't possible for either system due to the difference architectures since before the gen started.

I work with hardware and software engineers. Some damn good ones actually. And all of them were shocked at the announcement of it being native. It was discussed for quite a while after the conference ended. We came to some interesting conclusions, but they're still all based on speculation due to not enough facts being known.

Baka-akaB3235d ago

The only way it would be useful to those people would be by purchasing game they miss used or cheap .

And some people are actually happy with seeing those game enhanced with extra and upscale , and 60 fps for some that didnt feature it .

of course the best path would be to feature both remasters ands BC

badboyz093235d ago

Microsoft released/announced there only 2 exclusive franchises from last gen Halo and Gears so they said screw it.

Malice-Flare3235d ago

so, you want them to make the PS4 BC to the 360? depends on how much MS will want to charge for that... /s

in case you really did miss the point, how would gamers who never owned a PS3 nor PS3 games be served by BC if they're going to need to buy the games anyway? and, why would they choose the inferior versions? BC is overrated and MS should've announced this before or after E3, now all the games they showed just got overshadowed by this...

mhunterjr3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

Well, there are hundreds (thousands?) of PS3 games, and only a handful will ever get remastered... With backwards compatibility the number of last ten games that will be playable on the new console has the potential to instantly dwarf the number of games that will get remastered.

In most cases, it wouldn't be about getting the inferior version... It will be the only version that exists...

Why would someone buy the inferior version over a remaster? Because they can get it several orders of magnitude cheaper.

Also, wouldn't it be nice someone new to playstation could take advantage of the PS3 PS+ games?... That service would instantly become more valuable (since the PS3 offerings are much better than the ps4 ones)

Also, MS has already announced that some 360 titles will be bundled with the purchase of new xb1 titles... Buying the new Rainbow6, but never played the only ones?... Problem solved. Want to get caught up on Mass Effect 1,2, and 3 before 4 comes out? This could be the solution since EA has no interest in remastering.

There are so many reasons this is a good thing...

CorndogBurglar3235d ago

Because you can go buy the last gen games for almost nothing now. Lol.

You act like people would have to go buy the old last gen games for full price or something.

italiangamer3235d ago

You people now suddenly consider backwards compatiblity as the second coming of Christ. I am so curious to know how many people use that feature, like Jim Ryan said in a yesterday interview, lots of people ask for it but a very little percentage of these use it. I am one of those, I have lots of PS1 games that I can play on my PS3 thanks to the backwards compatiblity but the ONLY title that I played was MGS1 over a year ago. Is it so hard to keep your old console along with the new one?! Damn when I will get a PS4 I will take my beloved PS3 and put it back in his box, so whenever I want to play an older game (you know, 1 time in a 4-5 years span in my case) I will just stick it out of the box and plug in it. We are on PS4 folks, watch the damn future and leave the past behind.

SniperControl3235d ago

I have over 150 games for my PS3, have barely touched it since PS4 launched.

lolosgolos3235d ago

Jim Ryan will say anything to validate PSnow and Remasters. Truth is some Ppl like me who had a 360 with over forty games will benefit from this feature. If the future is paying a data stream fee and renting a game you already own then its a shit one and I want no part of it.

kenshiro1003235d ago

You never really responded to what italiangamer said, did you lolos?

rainslacker3235d ago

Ultimately it's a nice feature to have, but as the generation moves on, it becomes less important. I'm the kind of gamer who often goes back and revisits older games I've either enjoyed in the past, or never got around to, but the lack of BC while not as convenient, wasn't a deal breaker for me. I have lots of systems that don't support BC, and it never once affected me. I will say I am still buying more PS3 games than PS4 right now, so it would be nice to play them on the newer console, but my enjoyment of those games isn't lessened just because they aren't on the newest hardware. I can at least use the nicer DS4 on the PS3, so ultimately it's about the same experience since I don't use all those nifty PS4 features like recording or sharing.

So I do agree with Jim Ryan 100%. There are people that want it. There are people that use it. but it's not so many that it's worth expending resources on it when looking at it from a companies perspective, and the longer that time passes, the less important it will be to 99% of the people. I would have happily paid more for a PS4 that had full BC given the option, but I know I'm not in the majority.

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MasterCornholio3235d ago

Depends.

I would never play the original PSe version of Darksouls over the remastered ultimate edition on the PS4. Its because the game was rewired to take advantage of new hardware so it has a lot of improvments that the original PS3 version doesnt have.

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CBaoth3235d ago

How many units did BC help sell with the original PS3? Did it keep the x360 from finishing 3rd last gen? Is it helping Nintendo and the WiiU this time around? In console gaming, BC is the proverbial chasing the dragon. It's an empty bulletpoint on a faq sheet, designed to illicit admiration and placate an existing install base rather than entice and expand to new audiences.

Remasters sell well because people just enjoy a shiny fresh coat of paint on older games in the absence of true forward compatibility (i.e. PC).

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Rookie_Monster3235d ago (Edited 3235d ago )

So that is their spin of not able to match the XB1 BC from MS? At least make the PS4 remaster with MP that was included in the original games, Sony. What was Sony's thought process by not including MP?

Edit for below: wait a minute. ND and Sony included MP in TLOU HD and now it is OK for them to omit it for their other major franchise in a similar remake? I love Uncharted 2 MP and I know I am not the only one.

SniperControl3235d ago

You guys have to stop with the Uncharted MP moaning, it's over, Sony and ND aren't suddenly going to change there minds and plonk it in, Uncharted has always been about the single player experience anyway, besides it includes the beta for UC4 MP.

If it erks you that much, dont buy the collection, simple as.

phoenix_dusk3235d ago

So UC4 beta(which is included in the trilogy) and the collections won't split the MP population?

SoulWarrior3235d ago

If MS included the full Gears of War Trilogy do you think they would have added MP to all 3 games?

Doubtful, it makes sense why they didn't do it in this case.

Bathyj3235d ago

"I'm not bothered by people who complain when we talk about remasters. There are always those people on the internet."

Classic.

There you have it. Shu's not bothered worth you. That should be a meme.

MasterCornholio3235d ago

Yeah Shu doesn't deal with rookies like him.

LOL

:)

Bubble up for funny.

rainslacker3235d ago

Gotta love Shu. He is a pretty straight shooter.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 12h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken22h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 8h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 7h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 8h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 4h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 6h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 6h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg2d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 23h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1d 18h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies22d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken22d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga22d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken22d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6422d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12522d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91322d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer22d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91321d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit21d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher22d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6921d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit21d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher22d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken22d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2322d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder22d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts22d ago

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