I personally do not like this trend. E3 is becoming that event where logos/CGI trailers are just thrown up for the sake of filling time. I would prefer everyone to show when they are ready. Look at The Division. It was a long time ago when that was first shown. My interest has gone
#1. Sony releases more games a year than Microsoft.
#2. Sony is supporting 3 platforms in the PS4,the PS3, and the PS Vita.
#3. 50% of a larger number IS still more than 50% of a smaller number, let alone 40%. I can't believe I actually have to point that out.
#4. I always read about on here how Microsoft has so much money vs Sony themselves which can't even afford to drop the price of the PS4 etc. Yet Microsoft with all of this money still somehow manages to not only announce less games than Sony but a lesser percentage of said games as well. Yet here we are on tugging on Sony's dragon balls.
The American gaming media has a "tendency" (being gentle here) of just looking the other way when it comes to Microsoft and the XBOX brand. How else do you explain how publications were recommending the XBox 360 last generations, when they themselves went through 3-5 broken ones? Yet somehow,they want you to believe that Driveclub's initial launch issues was the worst thing to happen in gaming. Yet Halo MCC.....sigh, why even bother?
It's the same thing when it comes to how games are reviewed too. I'll never forget the treatment they gave Gran Turismo 5, a game who absolutely washes the floor with any Forza games ever released. GT5 had so much content packed in it for $60.00, it epitomized the gameplay>graphics that we all love so much, by providing both in spades. 800 standard cards, countless tracks, rally, NASCAR, drifting, snow, rain, day/night, etc for the gameplay side. And for the graphics' side, it gave us 200 of the most polished cars of the last gen (until GT6) Yet, they wanted us to believe that "standard cars" have no place in such a game because they look ugly. Funny, because the "gameplay over graphics" mantra they use to crucify The Order: 1886, and yet praise Titanfall and other Xabox titles surely contradicts their gripes against GT5.
But after 5 iteration, Forza 6 is now poised to finally possess maybe half of the features that I've been accustomed to since GT1, (night,day racing, wet/rain/ rally, etc. and I can't wait to hear the glowing reviews that game gets, while people shout how the GT series has fallen.
What does this have to do with the article one might ask. Well it's a micrososm of the mindset of the people who bring us reviews and news about this industry. It's corrupt and unfair...
This is exactly how the rest of the world interprets the current situation. Luckily we could care less which narrative 'merican media try to push, we speak with our wallets and this gen we're louder than ever before it would seem.
Yeah. I'm sick of waiting all year to see this show and then every damn thing they show you is A) Not coming for another year or B) won't look like they're showing you anyway. But, Ah. I'll enjoy anyway, maybe they'll surprise us! LOL.
So your whole argument is that MS and the X1 are worse? And that quantity is better than quality?
Also, Sony isn't supporting the Vita and are we really calling cross gen games "support"?
Lastly, certain features present in previous GT's didn't make the cut in GT5 and using last gen models for the majority of the cars was a mistake.
I'm a fan of GT and Sony in general but it's like some of you are incapable of being objective. You can't concede any point against your favorite platform without throwing in a jab at another platform and, honestly, it's embarrassing.
As for the Order, that's ridiculous. You go to Titanfall to prove your point but forget all about Ryse, which actually scored lower. As a matter of fact, the games mirror each other in critical reception. Graphics over gameplay. Why even bring up Titanfall. I thought TF was mediocre and lacked content but still poops on Ryse and The Order. Hell, there's an article calling Ryse one of the most awful games ever made and then there's this.... http://www.gameinformer.com...
This is what I'm talking about. I'm responding to you but I mean people on the site like you who can't enjoy a product but recognize the fact that it has problems that need to be resolved and that those problems are present whether the competition is similar or worse.
So the point I'm making here is, instead of comparing it to the X1, try comparing it to the PS3 which would be killing the ps4 in the same two year period.
That is why I liked Nintendo's last year. Right after the announced them, some of them were playable people there at the Treehouse or at Best Buy like a day later.
1 - The original argument was that there were no games. But once the facts come out, you question their quality? We could subjectively argue quality, but that's probably a different subject for a different time.
2 - The majority of GT5's cars may have been standard models, but it still had more premium/next-gen models than most racing games out at the time.
There is a distinct difference between being critical and "hypocritical". And yes, I am arguing that MS is worse. And no, I'm NOT arguing that quantity is better than quality. I'm arguing gameplay + variety vs graphics, in which GT5 trumps Forza. If having standard cars is a problem, then why on Earth are more important gameplay that Forza lacks, like night racing, dynamic weather, snow, rally, NASCAR, etc are not several knocks agaisnt it?
This is what makes a narrative hypocritical. You knock one game for something, yet the other game is missing 3/4 of the content of the other one, and that's not an issue? Cmon get real.
And I thoroughly enjoyed GT5 and now enjoying GT6, so I don't know wtf you're talking about when you say that I can't enjoy a product knowing it has flaws. I have never played a flawless game because none exist. What gets me though, is people like YOU who finds it perfectly OK to single out a game or a company, for something the competition is doing just as much, if not to a greater extent.
A proper article trying to address this supposed issue would have included all three companies, and see how theystack up agaisnt one another. Then go do some research and compare E3 2014 to the past E3s of the last 2 generations or further back to show that things either got better, worse, or remain unchanged.
THIS article is bullsh*t, like many others before it if its kind.
"So the point I'm making here is, instead of comparing it to the X1, try comparing it to the PS3 which would be killing the ps4 in the same two year period."
Ugh....you have no idea what you're talking about do you? The PS3? Which had all these memes about it for having no games the first 1-3 years of it life was doing better than the PS4? Actually, no console in history has released more games than the PS4 has in their fist year and a half. You're welcome to go as far back as you can.
And this is exactly what I'm talking about... Make belief cristisms while the competition is not even close.
I don't think it's a trend, E3 doesn't usually showcase games that are ready to launch. It has always been pretty mixed. Killzone 2 was shown at E3 several years before its lauch, same with Halo, same with Gran Turismo, etc etc.
It's not a trend, E3 has typically, always been this way. I like it, because at the end of the day showing the games early does not usually detract significantly from development, and its great to get to know what's in store for the future, both close and far.
Unfortunately it IS a trend, when E3 began it was all about showing what was coming for that fall and MAYBE the spring....but what was shown would be released BEFORE the next E3....now its just a CGI showcase for stuff 2 and 3 years out.....promises promises promises, and many get broken, SONY is notorious for this.... Last Guardian anyone?? Why show anything that is just a concept ??? Pre orders, buy the console, etc..... Gaming has become a Hollywood whore just pandering for cash....Overpriced DLC, Season passes? DLC already on disc that you have to pay for? A hobby I enjoyed and grew up with is nothing more than an endless suck for my $$, and E3 today is just that broken promise to keep you on the hook for one more year....
Welcome to e3. 60% of MS's last year's conference hasn't released so what now?
Bottom line is this:
How many games announced at e3 actually come out the same year? Where was halo 5 announced? Tomb raider? Yeh that's what I thought. Crackdown, scalebound and quantum break?
I am not having on MS or Xbox, my point is this is how E3 has been lately
I for don't mind that, I rather know a game is in development than read a rumored article about how it could be in development. This year won't be any different
Uncharted 4 gt7 horizon from guerrilla Sony bends new game rumored to be resistance
I just don't like how it's always Sony or Ms doing something. Why do we need article which are only written got click baits and nothing else
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Couldn't agree more, I don't remember e3 ever being about games which were coming the same year. Most of the times the games we see at e3 are at least a year from release sometimes more
Last year we got confirmation that mass effect is in development. This year we may get a trailer and next year we will get demo plus release date of 2016
Same with mirrors edge division from ubi
There is a article like this about 50% of games that haven't released from songs conference of last year
Than the first comment has a link to an areticle about 60% of games from ms's last year conference hasn't released
I wish people would stop
As I get older 31, I am starting to hate fanboys more and more it seems like with each passing day. To them only exclusives matter and the game on their system is the best while everyone else are playing bad games
I miss the old n4g where we use to have a separate page just for fanboys
Sorry but I had to laugh at your little part about fanboys thinking their systems games are the best. This is your response to someone in a forza 6 article saying the article isn't about GT or sales
"Yeh it's not about sale because xbox isn't winning the sales. But the moment someone brings up kill zone all we hear is halo sales
So you can't have it both ways.
GT the best SIM racing on consoles period.
You xbox fanboys are so delusional. GT is the best racer on consoles and doesn't need a yearly released game"
You're the exact type of person you just said you hate
Sadly someone got the worst of me, I got so mad at what someone said few articles before that I brought my hate into for a article
Not saying I am perfect but when I am wrong I will own up to it. You can even check my comments history, that whole day I was a jerk. But any one of us can have a bad day
I still stand by my original comment, that day made even hate fanboys more because I became one. But this is n4g afteall, here if you say some smart you get a bubble taken away from you. Unlike many on this site I have one account and I been a member for a long long time.
I think it's impressive that 50% of them made it to launch within the same year. I think 50% is a good amount. It's not like we're being presented entirely far off titles, none of which likely to come out anytime soon. If anything the 50% reflects a good balance between showing us what will be out immediately, and what will be launching a little further into the future.
I think last year, Microsoft may have pushed the balance a little bit. Purely CGI teasers for games like Scalebound felt like a bit of a waste of time. Although I felt that for the most part there was a good showcase of gameplay for a lot of the titles presented.
Really? You post this piece and comment first with a link to MS's equivalent? From the same site? Subtle. Nobody's going to catch the bait you left there. Quick, put on some shades.
OT: Announcements too far from release create ambivalence. Why put gamers through it?
I guess it depends on your perspective. If the goal of an E3 reveal is for that game to be released in the next year, then no I don't think it is good enough. If you take a longer time frame, then it's not necessarily a bad thing.
However, I do tend to agree that games are being revealed wayyyy too long in advance.
Even with the title change I still disagree. Development is a complex and costly process and at the end of the day, devs want to make the best possible game that they can and E3, for me, is about getting a glimpse into the future, and frankly I don't need games to release before the next E3 and anyone that says it isn't good enough needs to wake up to the reality of business practices and the complexity of game development
They don't need to rush the games, but they also don't need to announce them so many years in advance.
Just keep quiet about them. When they are finally ready to be revealed, there won't be a long wait. They also won't need to release trailers based on what they hope it will look like, causing angry downgrade claims.
So the Xbox article gets failed for being lame and flamebait but the Playstation article gets approved, why? It's odd as they both have the same content.
Oh well better add a on topic bit to my comment.... Can't wait for No Man’s Sky and The Tomorrow Children to hit, they where at last years E3.... yep, that should do.
Ok. Scalebound, crackdown, halo 5, phantom dust and then not to mention quantum break announced in 2013 are all of microsofts big guns yet they havent released?
At least bloodborne was announced and released from last e3.
So here's a copy and paste of my comment from the Microsoft article side of the coin:
I've never watched E3 and thought that the games being shown are an expectation as to what will be released in the next 12 months before the following E3. For me it's just about being shown what's on the horizon and we may get more news about those announcements at the following E3 or sometime after.
So I disagree with saying that the games announced and not released within 12 months after are any sort of failure by anyone.
I have the same perspective. I like knowing what's coming even if it's years out. It's kind of fun to follow the development of a game and see its changes from one E3 to the next.
i see E3 these days as a devs way of pitching ideas to public,give us info few years before and a game can be adjusted easier as its early in dev cycle. make the game,announce and peopel kick off as they dont like something and the game is almost complete and there is issues.
it is nice to see what the devs are working on and if anything its the gaming reporters that cause all the issues and wars.
Yup considering Bloodborne, The Order, and Littlbigplanet were all AAA games that were shown e3 2014 and then released inside a year. Yes, The Order was delayed but it still released b4 next e3. The Bloodborne and Littlebigplanet announcements were dropped out of the sky and both released within 9 months of ever being announced, now that is to be commended bc ms did NOT do that nor ea.
Excited for Until Dawn, God of War 3, Nathan Drake Collection, Tomorrow Children, Rapture, Soma, No Man's Sky, The Forest, The Witness, and Abzu - all basically locks for 2015.
Surprise AAA games like LBP 3 that gets announced at e3 then comes out 6 months later, pretty awesome. Should be seeing articles commending that instead of this rubbish. Ppl are announcing concepts with no name at e3 nowadays, ea.
In the article it states ms has converted less than Sony at approximately 40% of 2014 games shown yet this article is criticizing Sony? It admits ms was worse but no article trashing ms hmm...
the difference is if you actually watched the xbox press conference they broke it up into 2 segments "games coming this year" "games coming 2015 and beyond" Not sure how much upfront you can get then them literally saying that. Sony on the other hand mixes in titles gives you false release dates,false gameplay and are always declared the winners of e3 no matter what lol. 50% of what they said last year is out now and there show was just terrible last year. The highlight for most was little big planet 3 (really?...) and uncharted 4 "in game engine" trailer. No one seems to hold sony accountable which is why they pretty much are saying we can put out anything and they will eat it up. Go into a best buy,walmart or even gamestop and ask the sales associate about "tommorow childen,every's gone to the rapture,no man's sky" they will be clueless but these are the system seller for your console,all games capable of running on the 360/ps3. Like legit good luck with the ps4,i got lucky and sold it for profit,so very happy i went with my gut. i knew there was a problem when i have $125 left on a gift card and i basically had to choose from battlefield 4 or another controller. Literally not one game i was interested in at launch and even since launch,sold the ps4 on ebay for $570 and gave them battlefield 4 unopened for being patient with the shipping (was winter)
You ps4 fans should hope sony has a horrible showing and that the fans will actually speak up or get ready for another smoke and mirrors e3 next year. here at xbox camp we dont play that and we speak up (maybe too much) and you see the difference from e3 to e3.
Prime example people are so excited for project morpheous which is limited as f**k and will be over priced with gimmick games. Xbox gets a partnership with oculous rift saving them hundreds of millions in r&d snd that is looked at as dumb and will fail. Any one not the sony juice can see project morpheous is dead in water. Why would you invest in vr set linked to one console that at it best cannot give you anything close to next gen games on it??? People are already sky diving on gta 5 with oculous rift,they are not even in the same ball park,but yah go pack the movie theater and get hyped lol.
Xbox One's so called VR will be streaming games via PC and it will be like playing games in a cinema. It is not true VR and is beyond rediculous. This is very limited, unlike Sony's version of VR.
What I don't understand is that even after Microsoft confirmed what VR is going to be like on XB1 people still refuse to believe them.
-sigh-
If Microsoft said that XB1s VR will be limited to a virtual movie theater that's the way its going to be. There's no such thing as a Morpheus style VR experience on the system. This could change in the future but at the moment VR is limited to that on the XB1.
@Master- I think that was deliberate by MS. They gave a demo showing VR and Xbox One then rely on the press and public-- most of whom have yet to experience VR-- to run with the idea that XB1 does VR too
This way they steal some of Sony's thunder.
It's a classic Microsoft trick- fool everybody with a non product to take the focus of a competitor's announcement
Sony's E3 2014 conference was fine and not "smoke and mirrors". The highlight of the conference was Bloodborne, which has a 92 on Metacritic and sold very well. Sony is not "unaccountable", especially on n4g. They did not lie.
Large scale sandbox games like No Mans Sky and Tomorrow Children could not run on last gen.
PS4 has many great exclusive games that millions of gamers have enjoyed. Your lies and trolling mean nothing.
@ ilikepizza You have problems sir, u claim no one at Gamestop would have even heard of NO MAN'S SKY? Gtfo. A lot of ppl are excited for Tomorrow Children, Rapture, Rime, Soma, The Forest, Wild, The Witness, Abzú, Edith Finch, Ethan Carter, Alienation, Salt & Sanctuary, the load of Devolver games like Broforce, Project Phoenix, Earth Night, Galak-Z, Darkest Dungeon, Dungeon Defenders 2, Astebreed, SNOW, Amplitude, Distance, Volume and more - these are all quality looking indie type games with Soma and The Forest hardly looking like indies, but more like AAA's.
Besides the Nathan Drake Collection, No Man's Sky, God of War 3 Re, Persona 5, and that AAA releasing August 25 called Until Dawn there is plenty to play on PS4 in 2015. Not to mention Killing Floor 2, Planetside 2, Day-Z, Killstrain, Primal Carnage ect which won't be available for xboners.
So you have not been interested in one PS4 game from launch until now? Bloodborne, Second Son, 1st Light, Shadowfall, Injustice Ult, tlou Re, The Order, Transistor, FF A Realm Reborn, Helldivers, Axiom Verge, Resogun, Hotline 2, OllieOllie2, Shovel Knight, Bastion, Driveclub, MLB the Show, Blacklight, Loadout, Apotheon, Ether One ect?
It doesn't bother u that PS4 has all the superior 3rd party games as well bc either they are a higher resolution or PS4 has a partnership and u get exclusive content on PS4 ie Arkham Knight has the exclusive Scarecrow nightmare sp missions and Justice League 3000 DLC only on PS4, and PS4 version will be 1080p while Xbone version will be 900p. Even Witcher which had a deal with xbone still was only 900p on xbone and 1080p on PS4. Cod BO3 will get 1 month early DLC on PlayStation going forward. It appears everyone is signing with Sony now which tells u how the ppl who's careers ride on picking the right system view the 2 consoles.
Like many others have said the Xbone is ONLY streaming games onto the Rift it is not powerful enough to play games natively on the rift. Essentially the rift is acting as ONLY a screen with none of VR capabilities you would get on Morpheus such as tracking, Gyroscopic response, motion controls and rendering your hand on screen ect. The xbone with the rift is like playing a regular xbone game with the screen 3 inches from your face and that is all.
Yeah I'm fine with that 50% is 50% there's only so many hours in the day, my backlog is going down which is fantastic news as when all these new ps4 games launch I'll be there ready for them, great games take a little longer to make, ie 18-24 months sometimes even more, not every game is churned out in under a year and that's a good thing as I'm all about the quality not the quantity.
Sony and MS announce exclusives so far in advance to persuade people looking to buy a new console to buy theirs whether it be a new exciting IP or new game in a beloved franchise. That's their main focus of e3 to attract new customers. As far as third parties go, I have no idea why they would announce a game like the Division so early. With the internet, information for a game can be spread very quickly so there is no need to get information out about a game like that out so early.
If developers want to show that their game is coming they should just make a trailer leading to just the title. When they know they have a release date in upcoming months is when they should have game footage. Like the witcher 3 it was revealed at past e3 and people seen a downgrade of graphics and it gets the people all mad.
Here is the Microsoft equivalent study for those interested - http://www.grabitmagazine.c...
That is pretty interesting, makes sense with how long Dev times are...Hope we don't get a rehash though.
I guess it depends on your perspective. If the goal of an E3 reveal is for that game to be released in the next year, then no I don't think it is good enough. If you take a longer time frame, then it's not necessarily a bad thing.
However, I do tend to agree that games are being revealed wayyyy too long in advance.
Even with the title change I still disagree. Development is a complex and costly process and at the end of the day, devs want to make the best possible game that they can and E3, for me, is about getting a glimpse into the future, and frankly I don't need games to release before the next E3 and anyone that says it isn't good enough needs to wake up to the reality of business practices and the complexity of game development
So the Xbox article gets failed for being lame and flamebait but the Playstation article gets approved, why?
It's odd as they both have the same content.
Oh well better add a on topic bit to my comment.... Can't wait for No Man’s Sky and The Tomorrow Children to hit, they where at last years E3.... yep, that should do.