Halo 5 Dev Confirms Character Models Are All In-Engine, No Split-Screen Due To 60 FPS

GearNuke: "Halo 5: Guardians was recently revealed by GameInformer as part of their cover feature for July 2015. We also get to see some great looking character models from the game featuring the likes of Nathan Fillon. According to 343 Industries’ Frank O’Connor, these character models are all in-engine."

[OpieWinston]

We'll see if the community collectively says "Keep your 60 FPS... Give us back Split Screen!" when they're asking for feedback on 5 for the next game.

[ChrisW]

But anything less than 60 FPS @ 1080p is unplayable!

[Gazondaily]

No Gold required for co op is beastly though surely!

[BiggerBoss]

No splitscreen.... Wtf. Not a deal breaker, but I really wanted to play H5 locally with friends, like the H3 days. Really disappointed tbh

[nicksetzer1]

It has splitscreen though... https://mobile.twitter.com/...

[BiggerBoss]

@nick

Well thats good! Id mostly be using two player splitscreen anyways, would still be nice to support up to 4 though...

[super_bruno]

I don't want to hate, but they said the same thing about the multiplayer models

http://i.imgur.com/hpx2frA....

and in-game on the beta didn't look anything like it. I remain skeptical, we'll know for sure on Monday.

As for co-op split screen, I couldn't care less. Never like it anyway prefer online co-op.

[nicksetzer1]

Well, first it was a beta that wasn't using finalized assets. Second, they never said it was actual multiplayer assets, you are just making that up. Third, the beta looked prerty awesome for using very early renders of MP models.

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/th...

[mkis007]

Nick...

The problem with that tweet is it is older (january) than this new information.

[SilentNegotiator]

Halo without 4 player splitscreen? Come on now, 343...

Just make it 30fps for 3 to 4 players.

[super_bruno]

@nicksetzer1

If you think graphics will improve much over the beta, you'll be in for a surprise. Like past Halo betas the graphics on the final build wont be too different.

[Erik7357]

The 20 maps launching with it is also a plus and breaks away from the pattern of putting less content for your MP game and selling it for DLC. *Cough* Call of duty *Couch Couch* Battlefront 3 *Couch* Titanfall

What's even more sweeter is that the 15 DLC maps will be free for halo 5....35 maps..

[_-EDMIX-_]

I actually feel they should put the feature in over a damn number. Consider if one wants to play split screen with some friends....they know going into it, it will be 30fps, vs......you don't have it at all EVER.

I'm sorry but its not THAT important that it damn near supersedes a damn feature that is optional.

[kickerz]

That character model kinda looks like Phil Spencer lol

[dcbronco]

This could be an opportunity for them to go back to the family share plan. What if several devices could play multiplayer from one copy. Some using PCs and one the console. Or maybe they could enable it to snap on a PC streaming to the TV.

[ArmrdChaos]

Actually the character model looks closer to Nathan Fillion.

[ziggurcat]

@armrdchaos:

because it is nathan fillion.

[AsheXII]

60 fps is something every Halo 5 player will enjoy, split screen is a very small portion.

[Rookie_Monster]

People really complain about this? It is 2015, Halo 1 Split Screen was cool back in the days because the adaption and availability of fast Internet just wasn't there yet. I'll take 60fps, full screen, drop in, drop out, 4 players online co op any day of the week and it doesn't even require GOLD go do it. I really hate having my screen real estate squish and hardly see the details for my gameplay experience. Great trade off by 343i.

The title is also misleading as the online split screen only is only pertaining to not having local split-screen co-op but the Multi player local split screen is still there.

MP is still there with Spilt screen, so relax guys, you can still play locally with your pals and enjoy pizza and beer together.

[ShinMaster]

Seriously, just drop the frame rate to 30fps to allow for LOCAL split-screen.
The rest of the game, single and online multiplayer, can be 60fps.

@ dcbronco

The point of split-screen multiplayer is to play locally, on the same system/screen.

[mikeslemonade]

LOL 60 frames. The game is gonna look sub-standard like Fallout 4.

[SilentNegotiator]

"60 fps is something every Halo 5 player will enjoy, split screen is a very small portion"

Every Halo player I've met has played splitscreen and zero have complained about the framerate.

[christocolus]

@Opie

Lol. I'm just glad 343i's putting a lot more focus in the areas that matter most.The campaign sounds freaking amazing,343i is doing much more with the Halo lore than Bungie ever did. Split screen co-op seems like a small sacrifice compared to all the innovative features being added to the game.im really hyped for the super secret mp reveal at E3. I wonder what they have planned? Its definitely going to be a great show.

Also those models are AMAZING. Never doubted the talent at 343i.

For those who missed this. Courtesy “whitey” reddit user

-Game starts out before Chief is on the run
-Audio has been heavily reworked from the ground up for Xbox One (bullet sounds, debris, etc)
-8 months after Halo 4 ends, cataclysmic events are tearing apart star systems, these are tied to the Guardians (Forerunner entities shown in the first teaser trailer)
-Game Informer played the second mission, taking command of Chief and Blue Team to take back an ONI research vessel abandoned for 2 years
-Locke's team is described as having more advanced tech than Blue Team, members use the "ATS" (Artermis Tracking System) on their armor to bring out points of interests in levels
-Team banter replaces interactions with Cortana to flesh out the characters
-There are multiple routes to take in levels/multiple ways to tackle objectives
-Difficulty scales to the number of co-op players
-The zealous religions Covenant are slowly abandoning Jul M'dama's leadership in Halo 4

[OpieWinston]

This is honestly the only way you can show people the consequences of 60 FPS. And then let the communitys wants decide if they need it in future titles.

That's why Sprint will be a toggleable option in Custom Games.

The only issue I have with this is this will make my Annual LAN parties pretty complex.

[tuglu_pati]

@Opie

The don't have to get rid of 60FPS, just make it 30FPS when playing split screen. Problem solved.

[HaydenJameSmith]

Halo 5 is going to be amazing and those are in engine models... HOLY CRAP. Halo 5 giving even Ryse a run for it's money. Can't wait to see this in action next week. Although I will be sad to see Split screen go but if that is the cost of 60fps with amazing graphics then I'd deal with it. In this day and age of online gaming it isn't to bad I guess...

[4Sh0w]

It's not that simple Frank O'Connor himself said "the entire simulation is built on that framerate", there are technical hurdles involved with implementing 2 different locked framerates. I don't think every game needs to be 60fps but FPS gameplay definitely benefits tremendously from 60 vs 30fps....so I think its the right decision, -Split screen is nice but I don't want technical issues cropping up and [60fps=gameplay] should always be priority *especially with a nice consolation prize of everyone being able to play online co-op with all their friends absolutely free**How many games even have that?**....if they went for 30fps surely many more folks would be rightfully disappointed shouting about a sacrifice to the gameplay.

Are we really complaining when frankly 343 are giving us more options and content with Halo5 than any other game of this type=

-Halo5 actually has a (*4 player) Co-Op campaign while typically most games don't.
http://www.ign.com/articles...

-Halo5 will have 20 maps out of the gate, 15 FREE DLC ones to come.

-Halo5 has branching storyline, play as several different characters

-Halo5 has some of the best Audio in all of gaming.

-Halo5 has 60fps, great graphics, issue orders to squad mates, all new underwater map and judging by the Beta it will have awesome multiplayer.

There's plenty more and we still have E3 to dig out more details, I mean what more do people want, this game has an unmatched feature set....its not even close.

[christocolus]

@haydenjadensmith

You better believe it. 343i are graphics wizards.

@4show

Well said.

[ginsunuva]

The script writers and level designers are clearly the ones who were going to work on split screen.

[hades07]

All of these details sound amazing. Only played Reach before the MCC and now I am a huge Halo 5. The lore and single player campaigns back to back was an amazing experience and I cant wait for this!

[christocolus]

Check these out.

http://imgur.com/a/aL39U

[SilentNegotiator]

"there are technical hurdles involved with implementing 2 different locked framerates"

None pressing enough to give a MICROSOFT owned studio a pass on. Companies with infinitely smaller funds manage to implement such tricks all of the time.

[rainslacker]

@4Show

Without knowing the technical hurdles that exist, my first inclination would be to simply parse the frames to make them appear as doubled to the code. Either that or reduce the input polling to half the speed. Pretty common practice really. Since input is the only place where fps is tied directly into code most of the time, it does seem odd they couldn't easily overcome it.

If the game is so dependent on framerate, at least you can be assured that it's a locked frame rate. If it's not, then the technical hurdles line is just PR excuses.

Anyone know if any kind of analysis has been done on the beta?

[4Sh0w]

Again I follow 343i, they and Frank O'Conner have been very upfront with fans from the start, they are also much more knowledgeable than *speculators on n4g. Based on both of the above facts I conclude there is no reason I shouldn't believe them vs those speculating. Furthermore 343 has went above and beyond to add as much value to the MCC as possible= MCC is by far the most ambitious remaster collection on either console and so far all indications point to Halo5 being the biggest most dynamic Halo game yet= Again based on this evidence it sounds downright illogical to suggest that if reducing 1 aspect of the game to 30fps was so easy to allow couch co op split screen they simply wouldn't just do it or basically just say "'meh lets forget about that", Why they have proven Halo it certainly cant be budget or talent since Microsoft proven they spend and brings in every resource for Halo, look at all the other Halo stuff surrounding this game= NO given their history logic suggests that its exactly as Frank said, basically it boils down to a technical difficulty that they felt has less value than a consistent 60fps per second. I agree but if you don't thats fine. Ironically I remember a certain group of folks weren't even the least concerned that a exclusive game just thus year which I wont mention the name had NO online at all and lack any co op for which it seemingly was well suited for given the in game characters who accompanied the main character. Lets not even get into how inexcusable that was given the campaign length, lol yet Halo5 does so much more in every way and we still hear, " what about dis?"

Now what is there is a 4 player online Co Op, this along with the multipayer offers a vastly more abundant replay value that many other games dont even bother to attempt. So in essence Halo5 is a victim of its own overachievements, while other games get by with pretty light features and content, with Halo5 many conveniently overlook ALL thats in the package, the upgrades to better framerate, in game branching story, enhanced audio, better graphics, etc, etc. We all want it all but I want the best gameplay experience first and foremost especially since 4 player online co op is still there.

[super_bruno]

@christocolus

http://imgur.com/a/aL39U

Those screens look like H4. Not complaining though H4 on X1 look great.

[dcbronco]

Rain and Silent maybe there is a Cloud component to the game that keeps them from doing things differently.

[rainslacker]

Hmm...first let me say I wasn't trying to say that devs were pulling a PR line, just that it seems odd to use a line like that since the issue of code being tied to frame rate can be overcome quite easily. It's not a new concept, and most games that are tied to frame rate(fighters for example) often have to account for frame rate drops, which is why there are ways to overcome it easily.

Here's a more reasonable thing for me to accept.

When doing split screen you use two cameras. When it comes to games, many games that have high frame rate often do not draw everything that can not be seen by the camera. This is called occlusion and it is a VERY COMMON form of game graphics design.

In split screen, you now have two different scenes which need to be drawn by the camera, however, since within the graphics renderer, you now only have one set of occlusion being available, it means the 2nd camera can not draw what it needs to draw. To allow more stuff to be drawn, you basically have to draw two separate scenes, which could be managed by dropping down to 30fps. The same amount of data is drawn from two different occlusion sets, just each set is drawn at half the speed.

To mimic the 60fps for coding purposes, you either parse the frames to appear like they are 60fps to the code, or you reduce the polling operations of the input loop, which makes the code thing that it's getting a response within a 60fps loop. There are other ways to achieve this as well that are more complex. other than that, I see absolutely no reason why an FPS would have to have it's game logic tied to a frame rate. I actually defies computing logic given how the game mechanics work...which is why I said "without knowing the technical reasons".

@4Show

It's not wise to call people "speculators" when you yourself are also speculating.

I wasn't speculating on the reason why in my first post, just offering my own reasons why it may not be quite the reason they said it was. I didn't downplay the dev, just questioned the reason, and offered up that should the frame rate dip just once, then the reason is completely bogus.

As far as online 4 player co-op, that's great to offer that, but it doesn't invalidate couch co-op or split screen in the least. couch co-op is a ton of fun in Halo, and it's primarily how I've gotten to enjoy the series and come to respect it. I have absolutely no desire to log on to play co-op with my friends online, nor do I when those things are offered. I like socializing with friends the old fashioned way, and don't consider every technical marvel of the modern age better suited to the task.

@dc

Possibly. But again, without knowing the technical details I wouldn't care to guess why it would limit split-screen. Seems cloud components should be irrelevant to split screen since cloud is generally for persistent variables, and not pure game play design implementation(not sure I get exactly what I'm trying to say across, but not trying to downplay anything there)

[spicelicka]

http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

News says you won't need xbox live gold to play halo 5 co-op! This is BIG news even though lack of split-screen co-op is disappointing.

[christocolus]

Xbx live gold not being a requirement for co-op is awesome. More people get to enjoy playing the game with friends Online. I believe this was done to cushion the backlash from the lack of having local split screen co-op.

[Moldiver]

I honestly dont see many split screeners online. And its fair to say most people who play halo, play it online. and who has an xbox one but doesnt have live? I doubt there are many. When you buy/own an xbox, the idea of it not being fully online is just silly. So even the free co op online seems a bit of a moot point. Pretty much all of us have XBLG anyway :)

Not complaining either way though. I just want this game already!

[rainslacker]

I used to deliver pizzas way back in the day and we had a college living area that we delivered to. I often saw people playing split screen Halo or COD or some other FPS.

I'm sure most do play online, but that doesn't mean that people don't play it in split screen mode. Split screen mode can be a lot of fun for these types of games, particularly when the beers start taking effect. It's just the way things go when friends get together. It's what my friends and I do when we get together. Either fighting games or some split screen action.

I'm rather surprised that people aren't being more upset about it since the gaming community seems to get upset over every little thing.

[PhucSeeker]

Sadly, Holmes misspoke.
https://www.halowaypoint.co...

[escott013]

In a game like Halo, split-screen should be in there at all costs. That is how I first experienced Halo. I played through the entire first campaign with my cousin on split-screen and in later games I have played split-screen Halo countless times with my friends.
In high school, we even had a gaming club and would system link two xbox's, each with 4 way split-screen. So much fun.

[pivotplease]

Yeah imo Halo's main draw was the ability to sit down with 3 others and go at it either offline or online. Without that I could see a decent amount of people passing on the game. There are others though who like the campaigns and just play online by themselves (less than half of the people I know but this type of Halo fan is quite pervasive I'm sure). Still a huge disappointment. I probably won't even play Halo thus generation since that's the only way I experience it (split screen on a friend's Xbox).

[Yetter]

sounds like you're an adult now, and so are your friends so you should both be able to afford an XB1, a game and an internet connection

[FriedGoat]

Its not about being an adult.

in terms of fun

split screen > online

[SilentNegotiator]

@shloobmm3

So 8 people needing a console and an internet connection is superior "tech wise" to him enjoying it with 8 people on two consoles?

Sounds more like a DIFFERENT method than a BETTER method. And I'm sure that plenty of people would prefer the splitscreen as a different experience.

[rainslacker]

That was my first experience with Halo as well. Although it was at friends houses and not school since I was out of high school when it came out. It still gets a regular place when I hang out with my friends many years later.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just a weird adult that still hangs out with his friends and plays video games. Kinda happy I can make time to do the things I enjoy with friends, because I see so many people who seem to think as an adult you have no time to do anything. I work 40 hours a week, after that, my time is mine.

[Timesplitter14]

There's 3 things at stake here:
- 60fps
- Split screen
- great graphics

You can have any two of those at the same time, and imo the obvious choice is to keep 60fps and split screen, but lower the graphics quality. Keep good resolution and anti-aliasing, but cut on the polycount and shader/post-process quality.

Lower than 60 fps makes me feel almost sick, but I don't care that much about insane graphics

[pivotplease]

Yes I suppose COD usually has split screen and 60fps. The graphics aren't as nice but clearly that is what needs to be tweaked. Or at least 30fps during split screen.

[Moldiver]

Nah, ditch the splitscreen. Halo MP is better online than with three friends on a couch. I play with my real life friends (as well as my online gamer buddies)over XBL. Plus I like having the whole screen to myself. Who doesnt? split screen will not be missed. 60FPS and visual fidelity is the way to go, and judging by what I have seen, thats the direction 343i are going too.

Im all on board. As are my friends. As im sure most halo players will be. Personally I havent played it in splitscreen since the original xbox. once I was able to play it on X360, online , I never looked back.

[rainslacker]

I'd agree with you. ALthough I'd say give up 60fps or split screen. The difference isn't going to be so drastic that you're going to notice while playing with friends.

However, after seeing the hate, and lawsuit, the KZ:SF got for reducing the graphics for one of their modes, maybe MS is just afraid that it'll face the same fate. People should be really careful what they complain about, because eventually, as devs in an effort to get the best numbers in front of the customer, will just let certain features go that have become expected.

@Moldiver

That's great for you. It's great you can do that, and that the way you play is being catered to. But what about people that actually enjoy the split screen experience, and actually have friends that want to hang out with them? Maybe they should get the option as well, and just making a downgraded version for split-screen has been done many times in the past, so why not do it this time? Then everyone gets what they want, and you don't have to be on your knees while in MS defense mode.

[holysmokesbatman]

Petition for splitscreen at 30fps is in order...
I want to play this with my son, like we have with every other Halo game!

[Death]

I started out split screen with my daughter on Halo. I have since bought another Xbox One and MCC so we can play together co-op over Live. For us it is more fun since we are sharing a single screen. She is also much more brave when not sitting next to me. ;)

[SilentNegotiator]

@Death

The vast majority of people are NOT going to go out and buy a second of the exact same console for co-op.

[callahan09]

I want split screen!! My wife and I play Halo split-screen all the time, one of the few games she likes to play with me, so please let us have it!

[Blaze929]

nooooo no no no we need Split-Screen 343. What is Halo without split-screen!?

[Magicite]

its just the begining

[garrettbobbyferguson]

It's sad that you have to compromise on either or in 2015.

[zidane1341]

@dialga, congrats that's the dumbest thing I've heard so far today.

[PistolsAtDawn]

60fps is WAYYYYYYY more important to me than split screen to me.

Although I have to say it's awesome that there is so much great stuff about this game that THIS is the biggest thing people can complain about.

[Brotard]

halo without split screen is like halo without split screen. Yeah its that ridiculous!

[christocolus]

New pics from Halo 5 mp

http://imgur.com/a/aL39U

[DevilOgreFish]

http://i.imgur.com/tYeH8Fi....
http://abload.de/img/sparta...

looks really good if it's In-Engine assets. They're sticking to 60fps because it was one of the first things they announced when they first showed Halo5. That E3 event would be pointless if they took it back.

[jb227]

I'm sure it is in engine assets, but a big consideration to take is Game Informer & most magazines reputation for bull shots. All of the magazines will tell you that they digitally manipulate the image to make it look as good as possible for publication, so ultimately I take anything I see in a magazine with a huge pinch of salt. I'm waiting for the proper reveal, and then the inevitable difference in the final product that we've seen out of most marquee AAA titles this gen

[rainslacker]

Why not just do 30fps for split screen? Seems like a fair trade off for couch co-op. i doubt most people are sitting there counting frames when they're having fun with their friends.

[ikkokucrisis]

Looks like the next game will be called
Halo 5: Uncharted Territory

[otherZinc]

I'll be very disappointed without Splitscreen Campaign Co-op. There are several families that I've turned onto Halo just to play the Campaign Co-op.

I'll get over it if it doesn't happen by buying a 3rd XBOX ONE. However, the families that can't purchase a 2nd XBOX ONE for Campaign Co-op, I'll feel their disappointment.

[combatcash]

30 fps with splitscreen would be OK with me.

[BallsEye]

This kind of graphics in 1080p and 60 FPS? magic! Quite funny how XO is the only one having true 1080p 60 fps first party games.

[pcz]

you know 'gaming' has lost its way when devs are choosing frame rates over playable options.

[Bigpappy]

Come on E3. This is looking very interesting indeed.

[d_g]

Why ? i loved the Split screen in halo games

excited to see all in game footage at E3

Off topic

I made this montage for E3 :) https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[etownone]

Good work bro

[tuglu_pati]

This is actually really good, thumbs up.

[Gazondaily]

Epic video! Well done mate!

[christocolus]

Nice job bro.

[Starbucks_Fan]

I think I'm gonna sell my 2 extra controllers now, at this point I don't think they'll get any use considering how few games now support split-screen..

[Mikefizzled]

Keep one and play Kalimba, from a different Microsoft Studio. They you'll learn to hate your friend with a passion.

[Bigpappy]

Well you can thank the 1080p/60fps fanboy war for your dilemma. They have been able to convince developers that those are the most desired feature to get them interested I a game. So split screen will have to take a back seat to 60fps. I have to play the final product to see the full value of it to be honest.

[FriedGoat]

You can have a 60FPS single player experience with a 30FPS split screen experience.

Don't blame people who enjoy playing with friends, blame 343i for being lazy.

[Fez]

I can't believe this has happened to be honest! Halo was one of the games you could count on to bring awesome and fun splitscreen with up to 4 players.

Spot on with the whole 1080/60 debate fueling this. It's used almost as a marketing ploy since people make such a big deal about it.

So now it's graphics/1080p/60fps > > > > gameplay > fun. Oh what a time to be a gamer :(

[SilentNegotiator]

Or you can blame the developer for not having 30fps 4-person splitscreen. But that would mean blaming Microsoft for something; I don't expect that from someone like you.

[testerg35]

Silent, u sure are trying hard. Are there many co op split screen games on the ps4? I have a ps4 and can't think of one. I mean games that are graphic intensive.

[MRMagoo123]

What if the game isn't 1080p ? What does that mean for your theory ?

[pivotplease]

Maybe Borderlands 3 will come out at the end of next year though. And I'm sure Gears will at least have 2 player split.

[PlayableGamez]

They never said Multiplayer just co-op.

[darren_poolies]

No splitscreen, really? Playing splitscreen on Halo with my friends is one of the best things about Halo...

[konorbeatz]

Same for me and my brother :( Pretty disappointed I won't be able to play with him now.

[IVanSpinal]

Just buy another x1, im poor (i live on a poor town of Mexico), but i have 4 x1 consoles to play MP with friends and brothers

[HammadTheBeast]

@Ivanspinal

If you can afford to spend $460 x 4 you're not poor lol.

[FriedGoat]

or he's poor because his priorities aren't right.

[darren_poolies]

@IVanSpinal

Are you stupid?

[billybonez]

You better run and split 343 cause when i come for your ass your gonna wish you ran 60 frames per second.

[slate91]

No split screen? I...I don't understand.

[DarXyde]

I really dislike the term "in-engine". It's incredibly vague and these companies thrive on using such ambiguous language.

What does this even mean? It could mean the engine's CG or real time showing of the engine on PC. I'm not sure it means what we all want it to (real time on Xbox One).

[GearSkiN]

An example is when a game have a cut scene the some company would use a totally different engine to reach a cgi effects, I'm sure if you game enough and gets what I mean right?

[DarXyde]

That doesn't change the fact that you really don't know what it means in this context and that's my point. Anytime, literally ANY TIME, the term "in-engine" is used, it can mean a number of things that we won't know for sure until the game is released. It just about never ends positively and ends in everyone claiming downgrade; in reality, it's not a downgrade if it isn't explicitly stated to be running in real time on [specific hardware].

[scark92]

I sure hope Split-Screen gets implemented in more games in the future! Nothing is more fun!

[ZaWarudo]

No splitscreen in Halo doesn't feel right.

[georgenancy]

terrible news

[Slevon]

60 FPS > Split screen. Most people are going to be playing this game alone whether its single or multiplayer and if thats the compromise they had to make its worth it

[elazz]

Just code a tiny bit more and let split-screen run at 30 fps. I think it would be even possible at 60fps because of the lower resolution and lower res assets.

In Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 they had didn't sacrifice much on fps but on some graphical effects.

Hope for real that a Warhawk 2 comes on PS4 with 4 player couch split-screen online. Would be a blast.

[Slevon]

I think it came down to how they built the game, i honestly dont think it was much of a choice, and more of a limitation as to the way 60 fps was effecting stuff in the game (just the way is sounded from frank)

Also for kz3 and uc3 to my knowledge they werent 60 fps only 30 and that is pretty much baseline, because halo 4 was 30 and had couch co-op still.

Either way i have fond memories of co-op but anytime people come over we always just couch play wii u. I havent couch cooped halo since early halo 3. obviously it isnt the case for everyone but imo they made the right decision.

[SlightlyRetarted]

I've never played a Halo game solo and never will.

[DillyDilly]

The ODST guy is back ?

[ZaWarudo]

Buck is a Spartan IV now.

[TripC50]

Think they made him taller? ODST size to Spartan size is a big difference. Hope he's the same just with Spartan armor.

[blackpanther25]

it better be solid 60 FPS with no dips if they are going to use it as an excuse to not include split screen.

[hello12]

Sites like Neogaf should die already.

Split screen its 2015 you got co-op.

I'm happy i am x box gamer we don't complain and spread negativity every day. Must be horrible been around people like this everyday.

Neogaf has 18 page moan thread about co-op Split screen

10 to 12 page thread about the Gameinformer Halo 5 details?

Its an agenda 35 maps for free, great looking face models best seen this gen not important?

There is an agenda against xbox one and never stops. Gamespot picked Persona 5 over Scalebound, Gears of War and Tombraider all these so called gaming sites are bought and paid for enjoy the ad revenue and clicks.

Rant over.

[tuglu_pati]

Neogaf is mostly PC and Sony fans, so anything X1 will get a bit of hit, but the community know how to give credit when its due regardless what platform.

[Allsystemgamer]

Halo is the reason I got an Xbox one. My gf isn't a gamer but she came home one day with a new xbox one controller so she could play through the halo games with me because she knows it's my favourite series. Now we can't finish the story together. This is really disappointing.

[DeadlyOreo]

You care way too much.

Also, why on earth are you ranting about Neogaf? Lol.

[ger2396]

what agenda? Because they picked persona over those other games? It's a personal choice, just like you prefer xbox.

[pivotplease]

Persona 5 is probably going to be the best JRPG of the last decade and is a follow-up to a game that was for PS2. The others will be forgotten once their sequels launch 2 years later. No split screen is a huge deal breaker for most of the people I know that play Halo. Its more than a game. Its a social event like smash bros.

[massapeal79]

Just want to see what the Game will look like because you know Microsoft they like the dumb down graphics in order to get 1080p 60 frames

[Slevon]

I dont think the game will be 1080p, likely only 60fps

[tuglu_pati]

most likely 900p

[Eldyraen]

As I'm mostly an online gamer it isn't an issue for me but for families/friends that look forward to split screen this sucks as I remember just how much I used to enjoy it.

[GranTurismoFan]

Split screen is a staple of the series, I remember I beat Halo 1 and 2 with my dad when we pulled an all nighter. We devoted 2 nights to finish each game and we did it with split screen together, it was so much fun, Ill never forget those nights.

Also, whenever i'd go to sleep over my friends house back in middle school (college now) Halo 3 online with split screen was just too much fun, and I'd look forward to it because once I got bck home I only had a PS3 to play with

[TheCommentator]

I've got a soultion: Buy an XB1. Then you can play Halo 5 coop without Gold and see what a real driving game feels like when Forza 6 comes out!

[spicelicka]

Wait does that mean no split-screen for multiplayer either or only campaign co-op?? Why don't they make 30fps for split-screen? Or is that not feasible to do.

[christocolus]

Frank o connor said the reason for removing splitscreen was to achieve a solid 60fps performance with the new engine but i believe he said there would be 2p splitscreen in mp.

[tuglu_pati]

Just campaign. i think multiplayer will have it if i'm not mistaking.

[ZaWarudo]

Borderlands The Handsome collection does this when it's on 4 player split-screen.

I would at least take split-screen for campaign only :(

[OpieWinston]

Halo 5 Graphics vs Borderlands..... Yeah it's not even a contest.

[Double_O_Revan]

That's what I was going to ask. Why not 60 for single and 30 for split screen?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

This honestly looks better than the in engine models presented in UC4. And I was blown away by that reveal.

[Fishy Fingers]

My favourite memories of Halo are playing 4 player Vs on Combat Evolved.

Not much of a halo player these days and while I'm sure this will disappoint some, the vast majority of the time people are playing solo or online so I can see why it's more important to concentrate your efforts into making that experience as good as possible.

Plus, couch co-op only requires one console and one game. Manufacturers want your buddy to buy his/her own.

[n4rc]

maybe its just me, but this seems like a non-issue..

split screen WAS great... when i was 14 and all my friends would come over and we'd hang out all day... and it was the only way we were gaming together

im 32 now.. i come home from work at midnight.. nobody is coming over to play on half my 50".. we have very good mics and partychat now.. online just makes it... useless really

my opinion of course... but there is no way id want to sacrifice anything for a feature i havent used or wanted in 10-15 years

[Summons75]

YOU maybe 32 with no friends that want to have a real friendship but the rest of the world ha friends that hangout and there are still 14 year olds who still play split screen. Hell, when Halo2-4 came out I would have a friend sleep over and play coop legendary on launch night. Best times ever. It's complete crap they are taking it out. what other staples of the games will hey remove?

[n4rc]

Ummm... First off I clearly stated it was just my opinion.. Second I have plenty of friends that also aren't 14.. We go camping or hit the beach.. Bars.. We have cars now as well lol.. Plenty of things to do especially when if we want to play games together, all of us at home is the Best way to do that

[BlackTar187]

Is that nathan fillion?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Yep! He plays the role of Buck, a former ODST officer.

[BlackTar187]

O man that's awesome. Huge Fillion fan can't wait even more now.

[MWH]

it's Nathan Drake disguising as Nathan Fillion.

[Rimeskeem]

But split screen is one of the things that made Halo feel like Halo

[underwaves75]

why not drop couch co-op to like 35 to 45 fps? Keep single player at 60.... I mean, why not leave it up to the players??

Why rob Halo fans and one of Halo's greatest attributes to try and bow down to people who constantly whine about fps and resolution...?

I read this and felt sick to my stomach....

They are taking what my 10 year old son and I love MOST about playing Halo!

[underwaves75]

I'm not happy with 343... I CANNOT believe they decided to rape Halo for 60 fps.....

[underwaves75]

AND the fans!

[SliceOfTruth888]

I refuse to believe there are this many people upset about split screen going away...hell i didnt even know it was offered in reach and 4. And yes back in the day i was lugging around 4 CRT tvs, 4 xboxs, 4 giant ethernet cables router and all for Halo 1 and its a time that i will NEVER forget. I remember the day Halo 2 came out we did the same thing and it sucked because it felt like the game was made for full screen unlike halo 1. We never went back. I have 2 xbones at the house and whats great about that is i only have to buy 1 digitial copy of the game and only need to pay for one gamer tag. We get full online and 2 fullscreen experiances with this setup for EVERY single xbox one game. It may be a little pricy but you can find a used Xbone online for like 230 and just think how much fun you will have not having to use a watered down split screen mode.

[JasonKCK]

I didn't know Halo had split screen co-op. I played it on Xbox, PC, 360, and this is the first time I even heard of it. I remember the first one had split screen MP. The others have online co-op but I thought that was all it had. Also, some of the people complaining are the same people who come in and complain about Xbox daily. This is N4G, so take half of it with a grain of salt.

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

A lot of people played Halo Split Screen. Nearly every 2nd Lobby I came across split screeners. Not fussed personally as I don't really played Halo since Reach and didn't care for 4 but I can imagine this will piss some hardcore fans off.

[DarkBlood]

Guy in the picture looks like the actor nathan from firefly lol

[OC_MurphysLaw]

that's because its him. :)

[DarkBlood]

Interesting I was not aware of that

[BubTheHuman]

People are really complaining about spit screen in 2015... WTF?!?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am 100% fine with no split screen.... Give me 60FPS with these visuals and I am golden!

[vega275]

Same here brother. 60FPS and smooth gameplay should be important.

[iistuii]

Never been one for split screen. Does my eyes in. I'd rather the whole screen to myself. The only games I like to couch play with friends is sports titles, so personally I don't care if they take it away in Halo 5.

[poor_cus_of_games]

No split screen? Well that's a step backwards. I'm gonna wait until all of the reviews are out before I go near it. Did not like mcc.

[Azzanation]

Who uses split-screen these days? Its 2015, play online co-op its a much better experience because it doesn't hamper down the quality of the game. I would rather choose a well design game then split screen mode. I use to game a lot in split screen in the old days but I would choose 60 frames because that boosts gameplay.

Pick up MCC, there's all the split screen action you ever need.

[sephiroth420]

play online co op experience isnt so much better, maybe you wanna just play a game with your mates that come over that dont have a shitty next gen console? splitscreen is a part of gaming that shouldnt die, especially with something like halo.

[Azzanation]

At least Halo 5 offers a multiplayer mode unlike a lot of other games, probably the games your playing right now. As for shitty console? Talk about immature.

Halo 5 will be 60 frames, that means the single player is going to be amazing.

[rainslacker]

I do. Online co-op isn't the same as hanging out with friends in the same room, drinking a couple beers, ordering some pizza, laughing and having fun in real time without the need to rely on an internet connection to be social.

There are still people that do such things. College dorms are all about split-screen games. I'm almost 40, and I still hang out with my friends, and we play games, so that's at least 7-9 people on any given Tuesday night, which is when we play games.

[DasTier]

then buy a wii u for local get togethers and keep your xbox one for online/singleplayer

[mhunterjr]

Yeah, I get why people are upset, but this certainly is not a deal breaker.... When you look at how games are shipped these days, halo5 will easily be on of the more feature complete releases in recent memories...

I mean, how can people sit here and whine about what we AREN'T getting, and completely gloss over all the awesome the things we are getting:
Controllable Fireteams (Blue Team baby!)
Return of Open Levels
Seamless Drop-in/Drop-Out co-op multiplayer
Difficulty scales to number of Co-op players
Xbox live NOT REQUIRED for online co-op play (seriously, this is a megaton)
20 MP Maps at launch with 15 more by June
All DLC maps Free (another megaton)
And a mystery MP mode that combines "all aspects of the Halo sandbox" (what an exciting teaser)
Also, if Hunt The Truth is any indication, this is shaping up to be one of the better Halo stories...

I get the disappointment, if not being able to play through the campaign on the same TV as your little brother. But the game still appears to be jam packed with awesomeness... And is a better value than 99% of all other games.

I mean folks can get hyped about games that are MP only or SP only, or have ridiculous DLC schemes... Never mind the fact that most games have no split-screen these days, nor do they target 60fps in campaign. It literally makes no sense to complain about this, but rush out to buy the countless other AAA with more far disappointing omissions.

[ScorpiusX]

Once game release and everyone has seen what in the game split screen Co-op will be a distant memory.

[MeatBallz]

Lol I was only gonna buy this cause I love split screen with my little brother online but I guess I'll be picking up black ops 3 over this now'!!!!

[MeatBallz]

Actually I take that back I want this so bad I have MCC

[Hazmat13]

firefly class cargo ship confirmed

[BlackIceJoe]

I personally would have preferred that the game was locked at 30 FPS if it allowed for split-screen. I may not use it much anymore, but when I do it's awesome. I for one wish split-screen gaming came back. I prefer playing with people I know over don't.

[tuglu_pati]

Funny because I always play with my friends and never used split screen. How is that possible...

[WitWolfy]

Im expecting a massive graphical downgrade when Halo 5 launches.

[WizzroSupreme]

Well, if that's true, then they sure look awesome.

[sephiroth420]

oww no splitscreen? :( wtf how can you take that feature out of halo? well now im definitely not getting an xbox one, what kinda bullshit is this? sorry our console is too poor to be able to run the new halo on splitscreen, the power of next gen ey,

[Tedakin]

I'm sure their statistics show few play splitscreen. Really, I doubt it happens a lot. There are a few passionate people, but not enough to make it worthwhile to the overall project.

[Father__Merrin]

In engine is different to In game...

[lastking95]

I told you people 1080p 60fps will hurt certain elements of games. Can't they just make co op 30fps? I'm still excited for the game though.

[iistuii]

It's so funny reading all these people who were never gonna get an Xbox find Halo not split screen as an excuse not to get an Xbox.

[Antifan]

Honestly, this game could have 15fps, at 420p, no online, and a 5 minute campaign, and Xbox fan boys would still find an excuse to defend it. There hasn't been a Xbox exclusive in the last 7 months, but fans still insist that 'they' have the best games lol.

[Arty84]

sure I always like the Split screen but after 1 and 2 I really never used it and I am happy to give it up for the fps, resolution and the map layouts(open) that they hope to have

[Anunaki35]

BRING BACK SPLIT SCREEN! i will not even think of buying Halo 5 unless they put it back in.... It ruins it for me since i like to have my friends come over and play it with me.

[raggy-rocket]

aaagghhh so excited, no split-screen is frustrating but at least they're trying to make this the best possible experience :D

[TheHaloGuy]

Again "In game engine". Not game visuals. Stop thinking Halo 5, Witcher 3, and Uncharted 4 are gonna look like their reveals. Enjoy the good, stop nitpicking games to death. Or continue to be disappointed.

[Flames76]

Who the hell plays split screen this day and age?Wow split screen went out last gen get with the times

[tekksin]

A extra camera over the scene set at half the screen size, with a higher depth than the original camera.... Nothing has to change with the code, aside from that, so it all should just come down to processing power.

Saying you can't have split screen is like saying a car can't have a rear view mirror in a racing game....

[XanderZane]

I'm fine with no split screen. I usually don't have anyone playing next to anyways when I'm playing Halo co-op online. Halo 5 is going to be incredible. Another must have title for the XB1 in 2015.

Greatness is coming.

[Lennoxb63]

STFU about split screen. That's the least of your worries about Halo 5.

[shaenoide]

it's a big deal but you're right the beta looking too muche like CoD at the moment :/

If I want to play CoD I would buy CoD But I DONT WANNA! :/

[Lennoxb63]

Really. Cod? Cod wants to be Halo. Not the other way around. As soon as Halo announces some new features in its game it comes right behind it and copies. Like dashing, ground pound, clamber, etc. All this stuff was announced for Halo 5 way before there was even any news of Cod:AW. So chill with that Cod BS.

[shaenoide]

in engine =/= in game

[Specter229]

Well that helped that decision, was only gonna buy it to play with my daughter but to hell with family bonding ... thanks 343

[urwifeminder]

Don't care about split screen its not the 90s friends are overrated keep em online at distance totally serious .

[DanteVFenris666]

not everyone likes to play with randoms. Sometimes i like to invite friends over and have at least one game to play on the couch with. Halo was that game i would go over to and play at a friends house. now i cant.

this isnt the 90's but thats one of the features i miss the most from it

[TXIDarkAvenger]

I can't believe people here actually think that way and agree with you.

[thexmanone]

Split screen sucks anyways. I`m glad its gone.

[MasterD919]

Not the biggest issue ever...seriously.

[vega275]

I cant wait. I dont care about split-screen. I think 343i did a great job and I'm pretty sure they haven't given away all the details. But im sure people will find more to whine about.

If people are complaining and saying they're not getting because of split-screen. Then you was never going to buy it in the first place.

[DanteVFenris666]

thats bs, thats what made the halo games so fun

[scientificreasoning]

Looks like a 360 games holy crap. Poor xbox.

[Shineon]

Noooooooooooooooooooo!Nooooooo ooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooooooooooo! WTF Microsoft was the best at providing us with local multilayer games wtf

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Halo was one of the few series that still had local co-op. No doubt it will be incredible but this just sucks.

[Munnkyman]

Damn I'm sad about this. I guess no LAN parties

[StrayaKNT]

Amazing news 60fps is a must. This is why I love xbox more than PlayStation because Microsofts first priority is 60fps and smooth solid gameplay whereas sonys first priority is 1080p and then your playing games at 20-30fps which is terrible and which is why Microsoft will always have better games. I couldn't care less about split screen because me and all my friends play online, I hate sharing screens so much nut sometimes if you have to then you have to I guess .

[Golden_Mud]

With all due respect, you're one of the most arrogant fanboys I have seen on this site.

I'm really excited for Halo 5 though, I see this as a big gameplay jump compared to other games and I find the story appealing at the moment, hopefully when they show more of the story at E3, it will make Halo 5 more appealing.

[chrisco84au]

So that explains why there are more 60fps games on PS4 than XBONE? BOTH FIRST AND THIRD PARTY?

1080P 60fps is the goal for console games. Not every game will, or even needs to hit those marks but don't spew that utter crap above and expect not to get shutdown.

Facts do not cease to exist just because you ignore them.

And you 'love' Xbox. That explains ALOT. The sadness is strong in this one.

For the record, I believe 60fps is more important to a game like this than resolution but that's no reason to remove split screen imo.

Go to sleep, you are done.

[guyman]

Lmao, you're a complete joke

[Rhythmattic]

Not a split screen guy ,so doesn't bother me.....

However, will i be able to create a local LAN to have the ultimate LAN party?

Coming from PC, This is something I miss most from all the console developers.

[kraenk12]

Remember in engine doesn't even mean it is realtime, nor does it mean it must run on an XBox One. We all know MS is known to let XBox games run on PC at E3!

[peshkavusCA]

Oh look more PS fans care more about the Split screen than the Halo Fans ;)

[Halo2ODST2]

Wtf! stop trolling, i have been playing split screen with my bro since halo 1, i guess not anymore. Your trolling is disgusting!

[masterfox]

lol it would be funny as hell if Nathan Fillon is Master Chief

[Enigma_2099]

No split screen.

So what is Borderlands doing that they can't?

[RedstonerMC]

Why even make the game then? i want split screen or i don't want halo XD