Final Fantasy Versus 13 Was Not Changed, It Was Canned.

"Now in case you missed it Final Fantasy Versus 13 was changed to Final Fantasy 15, with that we were promised that the games vision would stay the same. Many people thought this to be true, but as time went on, piece by piece the Vision we were promised was taken apart."-Takuchat

[KingKelloggTheWH]

Truly sad to see it, I wish we could somehow get it back. Sad day.

[averagejoe26]

No. Please keep that cheesy looking game away.

So much happier with how the game looks now. Looked like a cheap kingdom hearts rip off with FPS elements at first.

[never4get]

FINAL FANTASY Versus XIII 2011 Trailer vision looks very similar to Final Fantasy XV 2013 trailer

[NoctisPendragon]

@never4get

FF XV E3 trailler is the game we are going to get (it was the prototype , we will get the same gameplay with additional stuffs like magic and weather system ) and it didn't have any KH like gameplay .

[kreate]

I played the demo from final fantasy type o and there was nothing special about ff 15.

It seemed pretty generic to me. The demo sucked, but maybe the game will be good, although I don't have much hopes for it.

[SlasherXI]

Yeah I think it looks better right now, but still it had a nice feeling to it.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah Versus looked much better then what we have now.

Like I've said just Tabata trying to put his name on the map by changing as many Nomura related things he can

Why would you let a guy who's only big game directed has been a spin off, with a long awaited main game. It's like Kojima (back then) handing MGS VI to Shinta Nojiri (Acid).

[KingKelloggTheWH]

That is exactly how it seems to me as well, it is horrible. Kind of like how Tabata down playedThe Music creator recently.

[Godmars290]

People honestly aren't getting the fact that Square is only saying what they think people want to hear? Don't comprehend how far removed that is from what's actually being offered?

Not that Square isn't the only one doing it, but still.

Also, regardless of actual content, what's being offered is still the original project. Though that project was announced far too early.

[Metallox]

A decade early, in fact.

[plmkoh]

Yep, the original content and vision is pretty much 'identical' to what we see now. They've merely changed old assets to fit a new direction.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[KingKelloggTheWH]

Have you seen the trailers? It goes from dark and brutal to buddy trip where you fight animals.

[seppo91]

@KingKellogggTheWH

Yes, and Nomura stated a long time ago that that was in VSXIII to. We just didn't see it in a trailer until now.

[Adrian_v01]

The fact that they removed Stella, who was a very important character in the original game, and had to write a new one with her own story to fit the new game tells me that what we see now isn't pretty much 'identical' to the original vision.

[Tei777]

@KingKelloggTheWH

You're simply basing that off the tone of the earlier trailers which showed only a tiny, miniscule portion of what verus XIII was like. The road trip, a world map and fighting monsters in a field and were already shown in later versus XIII trailers which gave a better look at te game, not just one CG cutscene (watch from the 4:40 mark https://www.youtube.com/wat... Those road trip elements were always a key part of the game as you can see above and Nomura also talked about them. Its a 30+ hour RPG, it wasn't all going to be set at night in the same city with the same tone throughout.

Equally what we've seen of XV is only a tiny portion of what the game has to offer, it'd be like judging the whole of FFVII from a short demo where you run around chasing Yuffie

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. From what I've seen, besides a few changes, the concept is still the same. The biggest change is from open map format ala FFVII,IX etc, they are fully open world with not open map.

But we haven't seen enough of 13 to actually say XV is some brand new, 100% from the ground up game. What that is saying is Square spent 8 years making a game...then fully got rid of it...then 2 years making this game from scratch. That is very hard to believe, not from a publisher like Square that spent 8 years on 13, only to just scrap all of it, that is very doubtful. I feel MOST of XV is 13 in the Luminous engine.

I've never heard anyone from Square just say they got rid of the last game.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Notice what Nomura is saying. "Changed platforms" "shifted" platforms, ""I wanted FF15 to be as seamless as possible" Thus....its what he wanted for the game all along, regardless of platform, regardless of being um "13 or 15" that wasn't some change due to it being called 15 as from what I'm reading, that change happened 2 years after it was announced.

I don't feel what happening with XV now is a change based on it being FFXV as he states regarding the action gameplay "our direction hasn't changed" in regards to being a numbered FF title now.

Meaning that you would have seen those gameplay changes even if the game was ready to come out on PS3. We just don't know enough about all of FF13 Versus to really say how much has changed and why, but I don't think its a lot as it doesn't even sound feasible for them in such a short time to remake a whole game open world, full assets, differently.

http://www.siliconera.com/2...

“Afterwards, with the latest set of announcements, we said that the director has changed, but it wasn’t something that happened abruptly. When we transitioned to new hardware, the characters and main point of the story had already been solidified by [Tetsuya ]Nomura.”

“Things like the content, techniques, and how to make the game better are some of the topics we’ve continually discussed with Nomura, the development team, and the management.”

[pgerv12]

As long as they keep to Nojima's original story as much as possible, I'm fine with it. While it is sad to see quite a few things we've seen over the past 9 years no longer a part of the game, I do like how they're fitting the story to be standalone.

[Godmars290]

Given that you don't know what the original story or its direction was, how will you know?

[pgerv12]

I don't, but Nojima's work has been very well done and I like the stuff he does. I have faith that he wrote a very good story and if FFVersusXIII was really "canned" then it would mean starting all over, not just reforming a character and toning down the maturity (considering Tabata was behind Type-0). Like the article says, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Daggerjack]

Lost interest in this game after playing that demo. Seriously.

[NoctisPendragon]

Surly because you don't know what kind of demo it is (an Alpha/early acess ) .

Even the 2.0 update doesn't look like the 1.0 version at all , unless you don't like the characters i don't see how you could link the demo to the final game .

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Well, just hope KH III won't be overhyped like I'm fearing.

[pasta_spice]

I'll admit I'm pretty sad that they've dropped Stella and her childhood link to Noctis with the 'light' storyline. It's especially sad considering how excited Nomura was about her role in the story, and how she would stand out compared to other female FF characters.

[KingKelloggTheWH]

He always seemed to talk about her, heck she was shown off all the time...She seemed to be Super important to the game...sad day.

[-Foxtrot]

I kind of feel later on in the game she would of joined your party and like the old version you could play her.

[Last_Boss]

Their game, their story. Either it still looks cool. The bit about them being close to near death was dope. I hope they still keep the Capulet & Montague bits. This game is how money parts again?

[comebackkid9891]

It's a shame she's gone. The fate of FF lies in your hands Tabata.

[KingKelloggTheWH]

He is the reason she is gone though...and all the other features...I wish it was in better hands.

[seppo91]

And I'm glad the game actually is getting released this time.

[Godmars290]

Limitations in development are the reason she's gone. Nothing else, aside possible from ego and impatience from stockholders and franchise fans.

[Eiyuuou]

I think it's a bit premature to say that it's completely changed. Without a doubt, the recent tone has been pretty light and cheerful, but who's to say that wouldn't have been in VerXIII? And who's to say it won't also have that dark and gritty tone in FFXV?

I say wait and see.

[pivotplease]

Probably the most logical comment here, but I still feel like the Stella departure could be an indication of something. But still...waiting is the best option. No point in making assumptions about a game we still know almost nothing about.

[torchic]

Nomura said time and time again that vsXIII would be a lot more dark, violent, brutal than previous games. you just have to look at all the trailers while he was still in charge.

the Caelum family (and close associates) was supposed to resemble some kind of modern day mafia. now they just look like a group of friends going on a fun adventure. Stella was a lot more "darker" looking than Luna. list goes on and on

fact is the game has a much lighter tone than Nomura envisaged it to have.

[bangoskank]

Good. Skipped the FF XIII games because they looked a horrendous departure from the series. Glad this has nothing to do with that entry. FFXV looks phenominal. Can't wait to experience it's world.

[pivotplease]

You dodged a bullet there.

[Godmars290]

You're likely only getting more of the same, only with major flaws like the corridor and lack of crowds removed.

It still probably going to have a story that's lost up its own pretentious butt.

[Lucreto]

I recognise that people are disappointed that Stella is gone, even if I had no attachment, but I don't understand some of the comments here accusing Tabata of not following the spirit of Nojima's beat sheet. The purpose of that entire section, beyond clarifying the aspects that won't be in XV any more, was to enforce the notion that the game will still follow in the same spirit. Nojima gave his blessing, recognising that some things will have to change, but only wanting to be associated with it if it's following the same intention as before.

They mentioned that these changes had to be made in order to contain the story down to one game. It seems to me that the challenge that they faced with Nojima's script was that it was part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology, and undoubtedly contained fal'Cie and l'Cie and all the other nonsense that we should be glad to be liberated of, and had a story that connected with Final Fantasy XIII and Type-0 in some way. Obviously, things would have to change to facilitate that. For all we know, Stella was a l'Cie that Noctis had to face down, reversing the stakes of XIII, truly being Versus XIII. But that doesn't matter any more. We've a fresh mythology, and I'm glad of it. We'll have large swathes of Nojima's world design intact, and he's been free to work on another game. People are free to be disappointed, but it's all undoubtedly for the best.

[Kurisu]

As far as I'm aware FFXV is still FNC, is that not the case now?

[NoctisPendragon]

It is not the case since a long time , Tabata said you need to "do some research" if you want to find things related to FNC in FF XV and he other stuff like that in at least 2 ATRs/interview .

I'll try to find some link and sources for the next time this conversation is brought up .

In short FF XV is linked to FNC only if you know the FNC really well .

[-Foxtrot]

Have you actually read most of the shit that's came out of Tabats mouth....sounds highly arrogant.

Think he knows what's best for us and removing stuff because HE didn't like it. It's not about him it's about the people who will actually buy the game

[Godmars290]

Sadly, many of those people will only accept what's offered as the best thing ever. Never admit to its least fault.

[-Foxtrot]

@Godmars290

It is sad

Isn't that why the gamings industry has declined so much lately with developers thinking they can do whatever they want and even give us half arsed games with massive day 1 patches etc

Look I know this is highly anticipated but there's no need to bullshit ourselves over it and defend the hell out of their mistakes.

We should want the best....not settle for whatever we get for the sake of it.

FF13 was the same. Some people were cautious before release, other people told them to shut up as we were finally getting a "next gen FF Game" and when it came out it was a horrible FF game. Thanks to those sales, they went ahead and made two sequels.

FF15 looks better then Versus but it#s pretty damn obvious Tabata is changing this because of his own arrogance and wanting it to be HIS game, not Nomuras.

Was it that hard to just finish the game off the way it was and give it to us....course not because despite Tabata being the director at the end people would still praise Nomura....not something he wanted I'm guessing.

The game probably could have been so much more.

[Godmars290]

"Was it that hard to just finish the game off the way it was"

Yes, because the was announced with FF13 and doesn't have a release date despite the pimping of the demo.

The FF7 PS3 tech demo and Agni's Philosophy clearly showed that what Square wants to make is outstripped by any ability to make it, yet they still use Agni's Philosophy as some kind of example. Nevermind that any gameplay represented would amount to QTE.

[FallenAngel1984]

No point in crying over a canned game. If Nomura stayed on board, then KH3 would've taken even longer to develop and release

[Melankolis]

O F**k, i'm tired all the talking (and waiting) this game for 10 years.

I'm just desperate, so tired and desperate...

[pivotplease]

Story of every Square fan's life for the last 13 years or so. I wish things would either get turned around or Square would just go bankrupt so that my unjustified hype wouldn't be held in suspension for so damn long.

[Xof]

...You're not a Square fan, because (as every Square or Enix fan noticed when it happened) the company no longer exists.

Square-Enix is a very, very different entity... granting them faith/goodwill/whatever simply because they inherited some nouns from S and E is what enables them to go for so long without releasing any big games, for releasing mediocre and bad games etc., etc.

[Summons75]

Things always change in development. Story, concepts, designs, ideas, in some cases names. That doesn't mean all the old stuff was "canned" it means they thought of something even better. This is still what was VS13, the new director has changed some stuff to put his touch on the game instead of having it as the previous directors game. This happens in movies all the time as well. Stop trying to twist words into clickbait crap and learn something about production. "Oh Stella's gone" yeah but we knew barely anything about her and this new girl is BASICALLY he with some changes in design.

[gamer7804]

I have this feeling square has no idea what they are making. They just now cut a major character and replaced her with another character. She was supposed to be noctis's love interest.

I also don't like they you basically control 1 character and not a party.

[hkgamer]

lets all admit that either sqaure enix screwed up or nomura screwed up. game with the name final fantasy behind it should not have taken so long.

anyway, its kinda similar to what we are probably getting so not point complaining about it now. kinda similar to how i wanted the old resi4 or even the old resi5 single player game.

[Revengeance]

I don't understand why people are complaining about things being changed or removed when we knew so little to begin with. I don't understand how people can have an attachment to Stella when the only thing we knew about her was she was Noctis' love interest.

People should be judging the final game not what they thought was happening during development.

[Adrian_v01]

Nomura back then talked a lot about her, she was probably the most discussed character. With his love for her, and with what people saw in trailers everyone anticipated her cause she seemed like a strong female character. Now you have Luna, who appears for 2 seconds in the trailer, sitting and the quote 'Noctis, Luna is waiting for you.' This hints that she'll be the damsel in distress type which would be very annoying and a bad substitute.

Though it's not precisely about Stella, she is rather something like a symbol of change that no one welcomes. Earlier trailers always started with Shakespeare quotes, now that's gone which indicates a change from the Romeo&Juliette story Nomura wanted. The whole part of the invasion you saw in earlier trailers, where Noctis and co run away from home, is cut out now and won't happen. The blood is gone while fighting enemies. Still no airships confirmed. Even no Magitech armor. Though I live in hopes that the setting is still staying dark.

P.S. with all the attention they've been giving to how food looks and how it's prepared, they could have invested those resources into some other, more important aspects of the game >.>

[Xof]

People are complaining because all of the FFv13 story bits we heard were a lot more interesting than the FF15 story bits we're hearing now.

Instead of a prince-in-exile fleeing an invading army that's conquered his homeland and killed his father, for example, we now get a happy-go-lucky roadtrip with three punks who all share too-similar costumes, voice actors, hairstyles, etc.

Instead of a party of interesting folks, we get three guys.

Instead of an mysterious heroine, we get... those three boring guys.

Instead of an ensemble cast, we get... those three boring guys.

Final Fantasy fans have been waiting for a good Final Fantasy game since FFXII. That's an enormous amount of hope/hype/pressure for each new installment.

[CLOUD1983]

The game lost the only interesting element it have for me, the story, now that they remove Stella & it seems that the game won't have anymore this dark & tragic Romeo & Juliet theme were 2 lovers forced to become enemies because of their families, I can't find any reason to play it anymore, SE can't seem to stop ruin anything they do, they had few good things about this new FF that made me think that we might have finally an interesting story on a main FF game after FFX after almost 15 years but no they find a way to ruin everything once again by taking all the good parts of the story out of the game, this company is a lost cause even rocks know that, nothing can save them, definitely not buying anymore, fck them.

[Eiyuuou]

I wonder if it's this irrational thinking of yours that made people downvote your bubbles.

[Kluv]

I love Versus XIII, but I don't think I'm going to be so quick to jump the gun and say that XV is tonally different. Even with Versus XIII we had that trailer of them adventuring through the forest. The music is still somber, and noctis is still very serious.

In the XV reveal trailer, there was still a few things that made this seem like a mature, dramatic story. The Duscae demo is not fair to compare to the original Versus trailer because I feel like the are showing Noctis at different stages of his journey. I'm sure, even in the original versus XIII, this light-hearted jaunt through a field/forest what have you, would still have remained intact. I think they are only promoting the early part of the game, the adventure aspect. Even in the demo, Noctis is still in a sympathetic position because he is forced away from civilization, having to camp with his friends.

Also, Luna being compared to Stella based on what they've done in the trailers is hardly fair. Luna has hardly been introduced as a character, and thus shouldn't be compared to a character who's had several appearances, and tons of information from interviews. Luna may become a strong female character as well, just simply not a reluctant antagonist.

[Relientk77]

Oh didnt know that ok, thought they just made it Final Fantasy 15

[Apollosupreme]

They hell can't these guys make a traditional JRPG which is released across all platforms? I've been waiting a long time for a game compatible to FF7-10 and what do they do? Release it exclusively for 3DS. Damn it SquareEnix... Its like you don't enjoy large piles of money, do you?

[Elda]

Can't wait to play this game whenever it gets released.