"I don't think we remotely have seen what can be done, and that's super exciting."
General Knowledge. . as we get better games :)
Wait till they release a current Gen only game! it's probably gonna make GTA V for the ps4/xbone look dated :-D
Infamous ss? The order? Bloodborne? Sunset overdrive? Plenty of current gen only games all beautiful of course.
Yes Red dead redemption 2(3) will blow minds
I can't wait for the next GTA. I think GTAV is the best looking open world created for any game so far. The level of detail is still absolutely mind boggling today. No other game has a world with so many little touches and small details in every little nook and cranny on the map. Plus they just have a golden touch with making the world feel alive with everything that happens with npc's etc. I can't wait to see what they come up with building from the ground up for current gen.
You can say that they squeezed everything out of the PS3 and Xbox 360 but PS4 and Xbox One are just starting. And that is fine.
Project Cars devs say otherwise
And it is they'r mistake, because they ar not very good on optimazing games, and you must be out of your mind to think that the power on consoles is already achieved....
@evilway So you're gonna believe the words of the project cars dev. over ROCKSTAR dev.!?? LOL! that right there is already hilarious.
It wasn't a rockstar dev, it was the CEO of take 2 who i imagine doesn't know much about developing games
Its been over a year, and they have over a decade of coding knowledge at their fingertips due to the architecture basically making the new consoles a PC. If they havent tap'd it now, its because of two reasons; One, they already have and wont say, in order to keep you delusional because it maintains sales. Two, they're holding back so that every release gives a bit more power, again to keep up delusions that the consoles are more powerful than they are. Pure marketing BS. You dont just release your "best" version, like a phone - you release small changes each time. "Oh look a better camera." That camera has been available for years.
I have also read that the creators of The Order said that the GPU memory alone was used only in 70-80%, and that was one of the first exclusie games, so after few years they would knew how to make it use about 50% of memory. And VRAM is a crucial to show how little of PS4 power is being used still, and that it holds a looot of power for developers to make games on it for next years. For example X360 GPU memory was used in 100% after one year and less, with games like Oblivion. And it took next ~8 years to use the power of this console in 100% with games like GTA V. THAT'S ladies and gentelmen fact.
Companies can "max" out the hardware very early on in a console life cycle. As optimization gets better, games will be abl to look better and run better while still "maxing" out the console.
Re: Maxing out hardware... You should also always count ALL hardware available. * GPU draw, render, ... * CPU cores scalar * Cache utilization (inlcuding eSRAM) * Uncompressing move engines * GPGPU * CPU SIMD * Memory bus transfer capacity * Memory utilizaton (how much is used, how much was never touched recent frames) * effective Hard drive transfer rate * effective Blu-ray drive transfer rate Looking at the PS4 you can see that it is built around the GPU and ITS GDDR5 memory (CPU cores are allowed to borrow some of this bandwidth but should really run as much as possible against data in cache)
GTA Boss " And we will prove that at E3" Hopefully :)
You know they will blow us away. Cant wait.
It's common sense in time you will see improvements however when you have lazy devs providing full blown betas on a day one disc, yearly mods/dlc and charging full prices, you will not see the improvements anytime soon.
It's hard to say you have gotten all you can out of any equipment. I remember reading an interview with John Carmack where he mentioned techniques developed for current equipment displayed huge gains on older equipment too. It's the wisdom of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns. Once they were known, they proved they would have been beneficial had they been known years ago. On the other hand, constantly pushing the same hardware my stunt advancement. But the fact remains, with copper phone line now transmitting Gb internet it's hard to say anything is ever maxed out.
Well of course not, it usually take 3 to 5 years for developers to really tap into new consoles. I think the gaming community were blessed with consoles that will stick around and have great support for many, many years.
So true! I love the fact I don't have to upgrade every 3 months when a new processor, ram or gpu hits the market to feel I am getting the best quality I can. Its a thankless and pennilessly exercise chasing the magical ultra settings! We always know our games will work when we play on console. None of this AMD V NVIDIA bull. We have the pleasure of enjoying our consoles throughout their lifecycle. Although, if one can afford the entry price there is nothing wrong with going down the PC route. Each to their own.
Agreed with you 100% exactly how I feel :) Glad there are some people on this site who aren't ignorant
This is exciting to hear, so GTA boss could have made GTA V at a full 60fps on the systems if given enough time? Not that I'm complaining or anything, I'm sure it would have taken a lot of work. The end result that was given was a damn fine product in its own right
No he Couldn't!The only way to take full exploit of this generation hardware is building a new engine tailor to take all the advantages of the hardware!Old game engines can be tweaked to take some advantages but in reality a completly new code will do better and wil get bigger performance gains!So no GTA V engine will not reach 60fps on this consoles !
Don't take this as me disagreeing with you, but me genuinely wanting to know. How did Naughty Dog make TLOU Remastered 60 FPS, did they make a new engine or something?
No, they need to release and earn some money to be able to continue their development. GTA VII on the other hand...!
GTA have great a great dev team. They remind of the the team that made Last of Us for PS3
Are you just playing dumb?
Only people that no nothing about the devs of Last Of Us. I am not saying the graphics was awesome but I am saying that the devs are really good on what they do. They managed to make Last Of Us look amazing on such a low level console.
Goes without saying.
uh how about try to developed a game from ground up and not a port before making such statement
Exciting indeed. Each wave of games made by developers who care about their game more than the money will always see better results. It should be the exclusives that really push the envelope. I'm enjoying the ride as much as the destination.
if R* said it then its true ^_^
gta 5 is the current graphics king
On what planet? It looks good on next gen but meh on last gen and The Order is hands down the best looking next gen game. Ryse looks better and tlou looks better.
i havnt seen order but i have ryse and gta 5 on my pc but gta 5 is from another planet at maximum quality .mostly because of its stunning draw distance and tesselation
Gone are the days when these statements got me all excited for the future. The fact that Witcher 3 has proven too much to handle for consoles @ 1080/900p is very sobering. I expect great things from exclusives and very little from multi platform games. This is the reality of console gaming, PC is king for 3rd party titles, consoles are great for exclusives only. Its time we wise up as gamers & stop buying this PR bullshit about consoles still having all this imaginary power under the hood when they can't even run a downgraded version of the Witcher 3.
lets just say you get what you pay for. for pc games to run better than ps4 then you should spend more.if not then ps4 is probably the better option.
The Order is pretty impressive and Uncharted 4 im sure will graphically destroy Witcher ect. Witcher isn't even the best looking game on either next gen console. Watch Uncharted 4 will compete with games on pc and The Last of Us 2 and God of War 4 will be very close to pc. Tlou 2 and GoW 4 will not be out until like 2017ish but they should be jaw dropping visually. On console R* hasn't blown me away graphically over the years like Sony Santa Monica and Naughty Dog have, even Quantic Dream and Dice are more masterful with visuals imo. I'm talking console. GtaV next gen has been the only impressive R* game visually, maybe LA Noire.
There will be no, TLOU 2.
If anybody can get the most out of these systems its rockstar
It's realized that the current gen is too underpowered to run of most of the core games at 1080p 60 FPS. That's real power. Either you have it or you don't. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
maybe its still a pipedream for most games to reach that. but if they can improve efficiency of these consoles than it can get a lot better.
EVERYTHING in computer games are smoke and mirrors... :)
its obvious that gtaV did not max out potential of these systems.
No SHIT, the generation is still fairly new. That's common sense
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