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Witcher 3 Dev says Nvidia HairWorks unoptimizable for AMD GPUs

Witcher 3 Dev says Nvidia HairWorks tech is unoptimizable for AMD GPUs, encouraging Radeon users to disable the feature for higher performance. Is Nvidia's GameWorks Tech anti-competitive?

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Adexus3690d ago

I thought this would be really obvious lol.

Hairworks in Far Cry 4 apparently had the same kind of performance impact that it did on Nvidia cards though, hopefully this is the same!

Hasswell-NeverCold3689d ago

How much impact it had in far cry 4? I haven't played it.

Well I guess that tomb raider tressfx worked better (and the whole game) in amd cards. I could play it some older amd card just fine (with dropping something of course) and then I switched to nvidia it wasn't so much better than I thought. oh yeah that opinion is based on amd hd 6850 vs gtx 760 (which i currently have)

It is really fucked that some games are just made for basically for another card.

kingeliran3689d ago

Yep.. Hairworks & Physx are Hardware related, so i dont think Nividia will share its tech with their competition AMD.

cartoonx13689d ago

well hairworks on far cry 4 looks crap anyway. i tested them with amd GPU and it wasnt really bad performance wise, hope its same performance wise in this game.

Magicite3689d ago

Dying Light and AC Unity also had Nvidia exclusive feats. AMD is in big trouble.

Cueil3689d ago

TressFX is open source but NOOOO... screw over a bunch of gamers...

Activemessiah3690d ago

AMD owners getting shafted once again...

_LarZen_3689d ago

Nothing new. And one of many reasons I am going back to Nvidia next time I upgrade.

NuggetsOfGod3689d ago (Edited 3689d ago )

or stupid pc community could stop supporting preparatory technology?

as far as I can see; Amd is the one who single handedly changed the industry.

The forced low level apis for pc and co-develop hbm memory.

nvidia makes hair and AA.

The only reason I would get nvidia is if amd doesn't support it r9 390x with good drivers.

Nvidia seems to have good service though. But they do not even one thing to benefit the industry.

If I can save $100 - $200 with freesync I wouldn't mind. we will see.

Amd drops the ball hard with driver support it seems.

other than that they seem to better for the industry.

tressfx in deus ex will make u jump back to amd? lol nvidia owners will be shafted I guess.

proprietary divides pc gamers.

lol like hairworks won't be killing gtx fps performance lol physx as well kills gtx performance.

everyone is shafted.

and it look hardly better than ps4 so far.

Cueil3689d ago

no need... just buy yourself a cheap Nvidia card and slot it in with your AMD and blam you're good to go with DX12 and Windows 10

Immorals3689d ago

I dunno, wouldn't call it shafted. A technology designed for one companies graphics card not working on their rivals sounds about right to me.

darksky3689d ago

So why do devs support this? They should develop features which are useable on all cards, not only some.

Immorals3689d ago

@darksky

Why limit yourself? If you can improve your product, even for a select few customers it's worth it.

darksky3689d ago

@ immorals

Yet CDProject downgraded the pc version to be at parity with the XB1. They certainly limited themselves there.

Cueil3689d ago

TressFX works great and AMD made it open source... not sure why any company wants to use crap from Nvidia that doesn't work right on AMD cards

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cartoonx13689d ago (Edited 3689d ago )

even on nvidia cards u have to use titan x or 980 sli to get 60 fps with hair works on, so its not worth anyways. also i hope tht the game perform well without hairworks on AMD since there have been almost no game which use gameworks and perform well on AM. on the other had almost all gaming evolve games perform fairly well on both GPUs

@NeverCold- Nvidia has posted GPU requirements on their website, u can check there. it do look quit impressive with hairworks on but perf drop is too much for average users. also game dev said youtube videos doesnt represent the final build so maybe final game has better graphics with day one patch. just 3 more days to know :)

Hasswell-NeverCold3689d ago

And if that actually is true and I haven't seen much difference in PC vs PS4 comparisons in youtube. That's a lot of money for just 30 to 60 fps. With hair. =)

Hopefully most people will be quite happy to finally play the game next week.

VJGenova3689d ago

One GTX 980 is said to be able to run it with hairworks on at 60 fps, 1080p. 4k hairworks is another story. Hoping AMD will at least be optimized enough to run 60 FPS 1080p ultra with my R9 295x2. Hairworks would be great, but I've assumed from the start it wouldn't work.

cartoonx13688d ago (Edited 3688d ago )

@genova- IGN were running ultra with hairworks and some other effects off and they were getting dips below 60 and thts with gtx 980 at 1080p. also they were using SSAO which is alot cheaper thn HBAO+

methegreatone3689d ago

Why ?

Nvidia hairworks is Nvidia technology, designed specifically to work on NV hardware.

Ofcourse they aren't going to optimize it on AMD hardware.

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Dario_DC3689d ago

What else is new?? Anything connected to Nvidia basically runs like crap on AMD cards... This is how Nvidia keeps gaining so much market share! Just work along/sponsor(pay) developers to use their proprietary software on these new games and make AMD cards perform like crap...
Funny that people blame AMD drivers support when most of these issues are created by Nvidia... Then you have PC gamers buying Nvidia thinking they're the best... Any Nvida developed game WILL have issues on AMD cards, that's how it is.

uth113689d ago

Then when nVidia is the only viable game in town. They'll lose the incentives to innovate or have competitive pricing and everyone will suffer

Gwiz3689d ago

AMD has 3 consoles,Nvidia is going to do everything they can to have an advantage on PC.

kingmushroom3689d ago

If i get the disc version on Pc, do i get the digital version with it?

Cueil3689d ago

with most games the disc is a lie.... but luckily as long as your disc says GoG and not Steam Required you're fine

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The Witcher 4 tech demo interview: Building a world that will be very rich and interactive'

This week CD Projekt Red teased its next project, The Witcher 4, with a tech demo in Unreal Engine 5, showing off some of the technology powering the Polish com

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CD Projekt RED History Suggests The Witcher 4 Demo May Be More Marketing Than Gameplay

The history of CD Projekt RED suggests that the recently shown demo for The Witcher 4 may be more marketing than actual gameplay.

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Sonyslave317d ago

Not only CDPR but Epic Games as well i still haven't seen any game with that fidelty of that Ps5 tech demo .. that was 2020

VenomUK17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Digital Foundry in its reaction video said they believe the demo reflects real performance, as overstating it’s competence on PS5 could bring significant risks to Epic Games’ shareholders and legal risks.

https://youtu.be/5PIyPpB83V...

Eonjay16d ago

Actually Horizon Forbidden West exceeds this in image quality. So it seems very plausible. Intergalactic is actually beyond this presntation in IQ, RT and resolution and thats locked 60FPS as well. As far as the usage of hardware RT in UE, they were able to reduce the CPU overhead.

This was a tech demo for UE 5.6. That was clearly stated and is evident by the presentation itself where several of the new features of UE are highlighted

This article title is inaccurate because this was not a demo for Witcher 4. It was a technical demonstration of Unreal Engine 5.6.

Christopher17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

***Cyberpunk 2077’s gameplay features that were showcased in initial footage but never made it into the final game***

They literally made a big deal of telling everyone that they changed the gameplay of CP2077 during development and then did a new demo of the game with the new gameplay. There was no hiding this to the public. CP2077's problem with the buggy as heck and obviously too early release.

This is really bad journalism to promote this line of thinking. It's an attempt to rewrite history. You can definitely say you preferred the initial demo, but they were very open and clear when they moved from third-person to first-person that it would include major changes in gameplay and showed those off multiple times a year prior to the game's release.

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As to the point of this article? Yeah, the whole event is a marketing event. I don't trust anything until it's released, tbh. No matter who is making it. I can still be excited by what I see, but it's not going to get me to pre-order a game or get me to go out there and sell what I saw as if it will be just like that in the full release.

neutralgamer199217d ago

What about the fact CDPR showed gameplay behind closed doors which wasn't real? They dusnt allow anyone to bring their phones or any tech so once media came out of that gameplay reveal CP2077 was hyped to the moon and back. CDPR didn't show console gameplay so let's not act like they were transparent when they switched from 3rd to 1st person when they lied at launch of the game

Christopher17d ago

You mean rumors? You want me to comment on rumors from Bloomberg? We arguing the belief of rumors now and not news?

Here's that fake demo - https://www.youtube.com/wat...

If you've played the game, you know how much that lines up with the final product. That's what I know.

***let's not act like they were transparent when they switched from 3rd to 1st person when they lied at launch of the game***

They literally re-demoed the game with the change, so they were transparent. You're just acting like they weren't when in 2018 they literally demoed the new gameplay. That's 2 years prior to release.

I don't know what they 'lied at launch of the game' is supposed to mean.

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This game had enough wrong with it at release that we don't need to be arguing rumors and online hatred of the gameplay changes shown in 2018.

neutralgamer199217d ago

Christopher, just to clarify — I'm not trying to be overly negative or dismissive. I fully acknowledge that CD Projekt Red was transparent when they switched from third-person to first-person and even re-demoed the game to reflect that. Credit where it’s due — they did show that change publicly.

But the real issue for me is how the game launched. Despite that transparency earlier on, they deliberately withheld gameplay from the console versions and still charged full price for something that was nowhere near ready. That’s where trust was broken. The game was released in a clearly unfinished and broken state, and it took years to get it into a playable condition. That goes beyond mistakes — that’s a serious failure in leadership and consumer respect.

So when I see something like the Witcher 4 tech demo — and yes, I understand it’s Epic showcasing Unreal Engine 5 — I can’t help but approach it with caution. It’s not blind skepticism, but earned skepticism. A lot of the original developers have left CDPR, so we can’t assume this next game will automatically reach Witcher 3 levels of excellence.

I want it to be amazing. We all do. But I’m not going to fully believe the hype until independent gamers and trusted content creators — people with a reputation for honesty and not being paid off — get their hands on it and say, “Yes, this is great.” Until then, it’s just marketing.

They built up enormous goodwill after The Witcher 3 and the free DLCs — but they lost much of that with Cyberpunk's release. Even platform holders like PlayStation and Xbox, who once trusted CDPR to self-certify, don’t anymore. That alone speaks volumes.

Again, it’s not hate — it’s caution born from experience

CrimsonIdol17d ago

"Despite that transparency earlier on, they deliberately withheld gameplay from the console versions"
It was a multiplatform release, and yes they botched it, but clearly consoles weren't lead development platform, PC was. They clearly were hoping that they could get everything together by launch, and this was a mistake. I think them showing this running on a PS5 is a clear indicator that they've learnt from this.

But there are plenty of reasons not to get too excited about this, and it's not hidden behind any lies, it's right there watermarked on the footage. this is a technical presentation of the Unreal 5 engine, running on the PS5 at 60fps. This is technology that may be in the Witcher, this is not the Witcher.

Lightning7717d ago

Because it is marketing. Epic did the flying sand girl in 2020 now this with Witcher. I still wanna see what games shows the original showing of Unreal 5? It's been 5 years exactly.

Michiel198917d ago

ofc it is, no real gameplay suddenly xrays a horse to show how its muscles are moving realistically.

CrimsonIdol17d ago

It literally had text telling you it wasn't gameplay.

Extermin8or3_16d ago

They were literally showing off the fact it seamlessly can transition from gameplay to ctsceme those aspects of presentation were clear cutscenes....

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CDPR aims to stay "focused" on RPGs like The Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2

Even if tempted by other genres: "We cannot do so many things we would love to do."

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