DarkBlood3709d ago

Damn i knew it was going to be removed but that was fast

JackOfAllBlades3709d ago

I know right, good on them for a fast response.

DarkOcelet3709d ago

If only the same thing happened when DLC was first announced.

Games would have been sold as a complete product at launch.

abstractel3709d ago (Edited 3709d ago )

I think some of you misunderstand the value of DLC. The cynicism of the internet assumes DLC is all about greed but as usual there's a mixture of greedy developers and developers who use DLC to bring players more content they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

For most developers, making games isn't a huge money making business. DLC is most of the time budgeted for, even when included on disc.

If they knew they couldn't calculate extra income based on the DLC, it wouldn't even been included on disc in the first place.

MKX, the most hated DLC related game of late, is a full game on its own right without the four DLC characters and the "Kombat pack". It has lots of characters, and tonnes of SP and MP modes. There's been no DLC out yet, and I've loved my time with the game. I'm excited I'll have the chance to experience more.

Making big budget games is a risk. Yoshida said 3 out of their 10 big budget games make a profit, but those 3 games fortunately make enough to support the 7 others. And they don't know what 3 games are going to be the ones who are successful other than educated guesses, so you can't use that as an argument either.

Don't forget that Sony are the ones that took a risk with Demon Souls, a game that before release people weren't excited for. The excitement grew with word of mouth, and now it's a very successful series.

Anthotis3709d ago

I'm glad that stEAm saw the light.

HammadTheBeast3709d ago

The only reason they backpedalled was because the money they were spending just replying to and dealing with emails was more than the money they got from mods initially.

TFJWM3709d ago

I have to agree with thunderbear about DLC to some degree. People seem to forget the price of a new game has not gone up in years but production goes up every year as does inflation. What would be worse for the game industry, $80 new games or DLC?

cmgs3709d ago

@thunderbear Maybe that cynicism is because every major publisher has done nothing but abuse the dlc. Original maps being cut down from game to be sold later and as a result splitting the playerbase, games being released with less and less content, releasing the end of a 20 hour game as a 3-4 hour dlc, releasing premium version so that standard player gets the worst possible connection to servers... It goes like that.

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Alexander1Nevermind3709d ago

Yeah I was thinking it would be a month or two b4 they caved.

TheFanboySlayer3709d ago

Agreed. Rejoice..HALLELUJAH!!! God does exist.

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-Foxtrot3709d ago

@NiteX

Oh you mean the guy who most likely passed this off in the first place and then tried to defend the decisions in a lengthy reddit interview.

Peace_Love_and_FPS3709d ago

Gaben is satin. He tried to trick us, but we are god of their world, we determine their profits, and indirectly, their actions.

SilentNegotiator3708d ago (Edited 3708d ago )

@peace

I love satin. All hail satin.

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gamernova3709d ago

Us PC gamers are as OP in creating change as our systems are.

ChrisW3709d ago

I actually logged in to Steam and checked the Skyrim Workshop to verify. Just simply seeing, with my own eyes, that "Paid Mods" category being gone made me giddy!

Takwin3709d ago

I have so much popcorn ready I'm not sure what to do.

-Foxtrot3709d ago

That's right Valve...don't f*** with us

ritsuka6663709d ago

Valve on the other hand releases something like this which is widely hated and works against the community so they immediately turn around and remove it.

It's too bad other companies like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, and more won't ever learn from these examples.

DOMination-3709d ago

Wow.. I actually didn't think it would happen as i saw Valve as losing touch with the company they were 5 years ago but seemslike they listened so big credit to them for that. And personally I'm very pleased with this news

awi59513708d ago

It got removed because of fraud also they were charging for mods on games they didnt own. Also people pulled mods off the mods sites that they didnt make and put them up for sale. Totalbiscutt has a whole video up on it on youtube.

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RmanX10003709d ago

Jesus christ that was quick.

Raider693709d ago

It should never happen in the first place!Consumers united!

shade5493709d ago

Not as quick as you Sonic.

RmanX10003709d ago

This guy over here thinks he pulled... a fast one.
(Pun entirely intended I regret nothing.)

Roccetarius3709d ago

It just goes to show that enough people on PC will fight things like this.

FullmetalRoyale3709d ago

Yeah, good on them. I respect the community getting that done.

ShottyGibs3709d ago

Gotta love the PC community. If only consoles owners had half a backbone with paying for online like the PC crowd.. Online would actually be free.

s45gr323709d ago

unfortunately console gamers do not have a backbone. They are too loyal to say corporations.

morganfell3709d ago

Back to the method that works - Nexus' Mods Donation feature.

Razputin3709d ago

Exactly.

Coming from a long line of PC gaming. Mods were made for the fun, passion, love, and sometimes general practice and educational purposes.

Pay for what used to -- and shall remain, free....

Release SDKs for your games and you'll see how amazing the PC modding community is, often time fixing issues lazy developers or defunct ones couldn't. And giving content way beyond something.

This having to pay for skins, maps, characters...etc... is ridiculous already.

Unreal and Quake engine allowed for some much ridiculous add-ons it was ridiculous. You can literally have 1000s of mods in some of these older games.

Skyrim is now 4 years old almost, single player only, and is still one of the most played games.

crazychris41243709d ago

Would be great if Steam allowed us to sort our workshop items by author so we know who our favorite modders are. Right now you have to go through every single item and see who the author is. I have 184 so its going to take me awhile to see who are the top modders for my games.

morganfell3709d ago

With this new pay system it would have gotten worse. Every idiot with a small wothless mod would have jumped in and you would have to wade through all the trash with a filter systyem that doesn't work past a certain point.

Jovanian 3709d ago

After all of this I think I will actually start donating to mods that I enjoy.

chippychan3708d ago

Yep. At least some good will come out of this. :)

Nio-Nai3709d ago

You mean how Nexus makes money off 3 advertisements per page, and then the subscription plan they have?

Why doesn't anyone mention this? Seriously they are making money off the modding community and no one seems to pitch a fit.

003709d ago

probably because they are making their own money instead of taking from modders, Just like N4G makes money from ads etc.

Nio-Nai3709d ago (Edited 3709d ago )

How are they making their own money? Without the modders they have no money, without the high flow of creators and users they have no one to click the ads, or to pay them for a subscription to remove the ads and download cap.

Neither of which valve did, they have no download cap, and they don't force ads onto you as the user..As well before the community pitched a fit, the NMM had ads in it too.

I find this to be a pretty hard double standard the community refuses to acknowledge.

kythlyn3709d ago

Nexus needs to make $500,000 a year to break even.

Source:
http://www.nexusmods.com/sk...

Christopher3709d ago

They host the files, provide the site, create methods of communication and updates, provide a single source for modders in general, and don't take money away from modders.

They are providing a service and get paid to do it through ad revenue. None of that affects the modding community nor limits them or puts restrictions on how people can access content on their site. Without Nexus, modders would be distributing content on their own sites and would limit their visibility, ability to work together, increase the chance of potentially unsafe content being made/distributed, and more.

Nio-Nai3709d ago

Valve hosts the mods, provides a way to download the mods, advertise them via it's system. does not have ads, does not have a subscription plan. so they only way they could make money is by taking part of that as a fee, no different then a hosting cost.

Nice double standard.

Christopher3709d ago (Edited 3709d ago )

***Valve hosts the mods, provides a way to download the mods, advertise them via it's system. does not have ads, does not have a subscription plan. so they only way they could make money is by taking part of that as a fee, no different then a hosting cost. ***

Why take a fee when a cost is not required? Valve suddenly needs 75% of the cost of a mod when the modder wants to sell it, but doesn't need any money at all when it's free?

The whole point of the steam workshop was to encourage more people to buy games on Steam, increasing Valve's profits. It's a service they provide and the cost is already accounted for in their current sales. The cost of bandwidth isn't suddenly rising dramatically due to mods. If they were, we would have seen that reflected ages ago in the price of games alone.

***Nice double standard.***

At no time does Nexus Mods require anything from you or ask any modders to pony up a portion of any cash they get to pay for their services. They offer a service you can use or not use as well as a paid version to remove ads and obtain priority downloading.

Steam uses a service that requires you to own the game through Steam and to be logged into Steam to access all content. Steam makes its money by selling video games with DRM. Steam creates the workshop and similar tools to encourage more people to buy from them.

I'm not seeing any double standard here at all. At no time has Nexus Mods ever required modders to put their mods there nor have their said that if they do that anyone who makes money off of them has to give them some of it.

Rachel_Alucard3709d ago

Just ignore Nio-Nai and Fireseed

I've seen them in every article related to the paid mods constantly bashing anyone with short-sighted logic and refusal to see the biggest implications of paid mods. No it all comes down to the "THOSE CREATORS DESERVE MONEY FOR THEIR WORK AND YOU CAN'T TELL THEM HOW MUCH THEIR WORK IS VALUED" statement, even though this statement has fallacies in it and is not even the reason people are against it.

Hell, even the announcement from Steam itself said they had no idea what they were doing and bethesda agreed as well.

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89 million Steam account details allegedly leaked, but no one seems to know how

A LinkedIn post from Underdark AI made the discovery, stating that datasets are being sold for over $5,000 on a known black market forum.

Cockney39d ago

Biggest hack in gaming history if true

Christopher39d ago

No personal details, mostly account names, no passwords. Likely would need other account leaks to hope that someone reuses a password with a similar account name on another already leaked service. While a lot of users, the data is useless. Kind of notably by the $5k request for the data.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

Plus, if you have 2FA enabled, then you were at zero risk anyway, from what I've read, Steam isn't even recommending password changes as it's apparently unnecessary.

VariantAEC33d ago

@Christopher
Where are you getting that from?
The linked article above says, "The seller claims this is a “fresh” leak and says it includes usernames, passwords, two-factor SMS logs, message contents, metadata, delivery status, and other sensitive details." Which sure sounds like they might have a lot of other information. If this leak is legitimate I better stop hearing people falsely say PSN is the worst secured digital storefront (even though that hasn't been true for a very long time with far larger data breaches since 2011 all over the world including the Equifax breach which was several times larger).

VariantAEC33d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic
That seems true only if you use Steam Guard. If you opted for T2A via SMS the article suggests it's time to make the switch to Steam Guard and of course change your password.

Christopher33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

From the credit URL: https://x.com/MellowOnline1...

The article doesn't do a good job of going into the updated detail, they just mention part of it.

Just because the seller claims something, doesn't make it true. If it truly contained that data, it would be worth way more than just $5k. SMS systems don't rely on getting passwords for accounts they're sending an SMS to, just the username, phone number, and timestamp info.

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Profchaos37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

You don't remember the psn hack I take it

Cockney37d ago

I do remember it being 77 million, thats why I made my comment

BlueDaBaDee38d ago

Update:
"Valve has now confirmed that “this was NOT a breach of Steam systems” and users do not need to change their passwords as a result. However, it continues to recommend that you set up the Steam Mobile authenticator for extra security."

https://store.steampowered....

Fishy Fingers38d ago

Shame. I liked the idea someone paid 5 grand just for my silly steam name.

DivineHand12538d ago

The government needs a taskforce with serious fundung that can opporate across borders to go after cyber criminals.

It is getting out of hand and it is the regular citizens of the world that suffer the consequences of these hacks and breaches.

My fear is that if left unchecked, state sponsored hackers from corrupt or governents under sections may use this as a method of raising revenue at the expense of everyone else.

Fishy Fingers38d ago

Bro teeing up a Mission Impossible movie.

ZeekQuattro38d ago

Not in this administration. If anything hes been dissolving existing task forces meant to protect consumers.

Amplitude38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

Why? They’d just use the funding to funnel hundred of millions of dollars into fake NGOs that then funnel it into democrat pockets while doing zero cyber criminal defence work.

Then if anybody tried to defund them it’d be a whole thing with the mainstream media claiming that there will be endless cyber attacks. NGOs would then fund protest groups to attack anybody that supports defunding the government’s cyber attack defence branch and then it would turn out it was also being used to stabilize or destabilize governments in other countries and overthrow elections to benefit America. Which is fine until they start using it on us again.

Let’s just not. Private companies who know what they’re doing (Valve) can deal with it

RIP USAID. God bless

Profchaos37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

It's not a may use this not we know state sponsored attacks do this already.

It's a global problem you couldn't have one government playing world police it would require joint collaboration with foreign governments and the problem is many laws have not kept pace with advancement of technology.

even then it's hard to say with certainty if an attack was a state sponsored attacks or a cybercriminal group operating outside of governments

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pwnmaster300038d ago

remember when certain groups were saying PC gamers don’t want other subscriptions because it was not safe and steam was the spot lol.

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badz14938d ago

it's time to riot, right, pc gamers??

pwnmaster300038d ago

Be careful, PC gamers are the most touchy out of the gamers lol

staticall37d ago

@badz149
@pwnmaster3000
Have you guys actually read what was «leaked»? It was SMS messages from 3rd party provider (not from Steam itself) with one-time 2FA codes (that are active for 15 minutes). No Steam account details, access to an account or any of that jazz.

Let me quote official Steam response:
«The leak consisted of older text messages that included one-time codes that were only valid for 15-minute time frames and the phone numbers they were sent to. The leaked data did not associate the phone numbers with a Steam account, password information, payment information or other personal data. Old text messages cannot be used to breach the security of your Steam account, and whenever a code is used to change your Steam email or password using SMS, you will receive a confirmation via email and/or Steam secure messages.»
Source: https://store.steampowered....

The only bad thing about this is the phone numbers. But while that sucks, attacker doesn't know which Steam account this phone number belongs to. IMO, the only thing people should be rioting about is how unprotected the SMS are and the 3rd party service that was used by Steam. I'm all for punishing people who screwed up and/or lacked the security. But this is not it.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

Why riot? They have nothing of value, can't even steal an account with the details they have, they would have to attempt a brute force attack, you can already do that with a Steam user's account name (or any account on any site) if you really wanted to spend the time and processing power to do it.

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