Kaz Harai has taken a side-swipe at Nintendo and Microsoft by saying they've done the consumer a disservice by getting rid of both GameCube and Xbox as soon as they released their next consoles.
I wish Sony would do that with the PS3. I know the PS2 is still selling well but to me at least I think Sony should only be worry about the PS3 and PSP. If Sony also wants to care about the PS2 they should keep it in the PS3 also. But at the same time it is nice to see Sony still care about the PS2. But I did buy the PS3 for PS3 games not PS2 ones. So I hope soon Sony will care about getting more PS3 games too. Though it is nice that Sony is caring still about the PS2 at some point you have to move on.
At the very least they need a system that can play old PS2 / PSone games...
The PS2 is such a cash cow for Sony why should they get rid off it?? They're still selling millions of systems 7-8 years into it. ALL PS3's will become backward compatible. When the PS2 does finally ride off into the sunset, Sony will release an upgrade to the firmware that will "unlock" the backward compatibility emulation to play your PS2 games on the cheaper "core" system. Sony just gives you the choice to pay $100 to have it now or pay $100 less and wait for it.
Read the full interview, it's interesting to see how the same question can create such vastly different answers/opinions. It's a good read, and much less "controversial" than this small piece of it would have you believe. Eurogamer actually managed a few good questions to.
Only problem is people dont read articles anymore. They'll read headlines and then you'll see people come in like "OMG FOUL BY SONY!" or some stupid fanboyistic rant. People, do yourself a favor. Read the article through it's entirety. It's a good read.
I thought the whole thing was very boring, lengthy market-speech, tbh. I like snappy news items telling me the important stuff rather than spend 20 minutes reading something only to find there are about three bits of information worth knowing.
Why does that surprise me? *Looks at VG247 author, looks at N4G contributor*
Fishy, it's just the way the fanboy brain operates. React instantly to a headline. Take words out of context. and above all deny the above two lol
When sony finaly stops surport for the ps2 you know they are gona get hated on thats for sure.
I believe that when the 720 comes, the 360 should be at a $199 price point or better, so i believe the 360 will be the PS2's successor. Who's gonna want last, last, gen when they can have a 360 and everything it offers for a very reasonable & affordible price? I honestly see this situation that Sony has over everyone else with the PS2 flipping in Microsoft, and Nintendo's favor at this point.
but who the hell would want a 360 when you could have a cheap ps3 and blu ray player in one? plus these are the same people who have just had a ps2 for god knows how long, do you realy think they will just move to another hot potato instead of buying another sony console they know will be surported for the long run.
why the disagree? that's kinda silly when ya think about it! do ya think the PS2's gonna be around for the next 20 yrs! lol!
...maybe not getting new games and or support but with such a HUGE library of games it's possible to get a PS2 today and have loads of good quality CHEAP games to keep you busy for quite some time. Hell add some casual friendly wii copy cat games as well as motion controller and you have an instantly cheaper hardcore/casual/media player console.
I still play my super nintendo, dreamcast, and my Genesis once in a while. So the disagrees where called for and your comment was stupid.
Gotta love Sony. They do something once then act like they have done it forever. Of course he must have forgot the PS1 owners that got skipped over when the PS2 took off unlike the PS3. Lets be honest here, if it wasnt for the piss poor sales of PS3 at launch the PS2 wouldnt be so high on their priority list. They would have left it for 3rd parties like the did te PS1 for its last 8 months. I know I'll get tons of disagrees but not a single bit of proof I am wrong
You do know when sony stoped production for the ps1 dont you???
Wow, the gaming community are so ill- informed nowadays it's pathetic and the reason MS and the gaming media can so easily manipulate it like it does. Look, since you don't know, the PS1 was in demand for a very long time and had a 10 year cycle. Sony stopped it's production 5 years after the launch of the PS2. You see those millions of people buying PS2's now? Yup, those were the ones buying the PS1 at the PS2's current price; the ones that didn't get a PS1 'till 7,8,9 years on the market. Where did they go? not the GC or the Xbox but to the product they knew - Playstation. Now you're a bit more educated and a little less ignorant.. I hope.
Your a tard and Chubear owned you http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
voiceofreason i think your voice sounded wrong on this comment.
Man I was pissed when Gamecube and Xbox1 was forgotten almost overnight.
Kaz Hirai is doing the PR thing again like 2006.Sooner or later he will start talking about 4D again.
PS2 sold over 100 million and people are still buying. Gamecube and Xbox1 were not 100% dead but were not doing very well. Think about this. If PS2 only had sold 20 million at the time of PS3 do you really think Sony would still support it?
That's actually the best way to put it. The other two consoles of the ps2 generation were getting whooped and not turning much of a profit; meanwhile the ps2 was/still is continuing to sale. They are kind of different situations. I'm sure the XBox and Gamecube would still be around (or stayed around longer) if they were selling at the rate the ps2 was when the company's next gen console was released.
Totally agree with you. Bubble up.
Sony had the luxury of having a 125,000,000 install base, which means the PS2 was a worthwhile investment to them and developers after the next gen started. How are you going to convince a developer to create an XBox (original, not a 360) game? Nintendo and MS would have been throwing money away supporting their old systems that lost the last gen.
Voiceofreason said it all folks, he's totally right.
Sony is showing they suport there systems for the long haul! Cant wait to see what sort of stuff the PS3 is pumping out in 9 years!
you will see the same support they have with the PS2... make the hardware and let third party support the software...
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Effin right Kaz, tell em how it is
how can they? The PS3 is killing them in terms of profits.. the PS3 brings them no revenues... which is why they are trying to milk the PS2 as much as they can... if the PS3 was profitable the would be focusing only the PS3... why should they get rid of a product that is selling and making them revenues? They act as if they are supporting it just because they are making the hardware? Support means making games and software for the PS2... but if you look only 3rd party developers are making software and games for the PS2 not Sony... Sony is only supporting the PS2 because it makes them money... if the PS2 would be unprofitable as the original xbox was to microsoft do you think they will be supporting it... do you thin microsoft will cut support of the xbox 360 when the next xbox comes out now that they ensured that the xbox 360 is profitable?
I understand your love for MCsoft and the Xbox but come on.The Xbox finished in 2005 with a 4 billion dollar profit loss.It was in business sense a failure.The 360 has made some profit but the red lights policy has pushed it back 900 million dollars.In fact some executives of MCsoft talked about dropping out of the console war at GDC due to intense profit loss.The PS1 and the PS2 has never had that kind of budget loss.
No bladestar Im not "messing" with you just putting out numbers.
Any Sony sports franchise finds a home on the PS2. Secret Agent Clank found a home on the PS2. You are wrong about Sony not supporting the PS2. Just stop talking.
"Sony is only supporting the PS2 because it makes them money" hahahahah You kill me As opposed to supporting something that doesn't make them money, they should do that too right. "Hey guys PS2 is still a contender in the console marketplace around the world. Lets not make new content for it. YEAH!"
LOL you guys did take a hit with that RROD thing and on top of that the first xbox made no money.
MSFT and nintendo were not making money off their previous consoles. Sony on the other hand has the luxury of owning the biggest phenomenon in console gaming. I don't think it's a disservice I think it's a fact that they don't wanna lose the revenue stream from the ps2. If they were to stop supporting the ps2 I know a few people who would get a xbox, even though they would prefer the ps3. they'd get a xbox simply becuz of price not looking at xbox live or anything else they offer. What I find disturbing is how much effort they continue to put in the ps2 platform. A good chunk of their E3 presser was telling us it's a good thing to wait.......or at least that's how I took it.
but to add another bit of perspective, you do know that a lot of the reason why the Playstation 2 was such a big success was because it HAD games, right? i mean, where were the numerous, high quality titles on the Gamecube and Xbox? if third parties weren't putting up enough for the system, it then becomes the job of the first party to step up and produce content. Sony was getting support from third parties with the PS2, but that didn't stop them from producing a TON of first party games that drove system sales: Ghosthunter Mark of Kri series Dark Cloud series Twisted Metal Primal Ape Escape series Gran Turismo series Rogue Galaxy God of War series SOCOM series War of the Monsters Jak and Daxter series Sly Cooper series Ratchet and Clank series Ico Shadow of the Colossus etc, etc. Sony produced, produced, produced, even when third parties started bringing their games to the Gamecube and Xbox (GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, etc), they continued to produce first party exclusives, which in turn drove more console sales. if Microsoft had invested in more than just Bungie and Rare during the Xbox era, they would have a LOT more first party developers to pull from for the 360 era, meaning more exclusive franchises not bought from 3rd parties, and more compelling reasons to buy a 360. yes, it's AWESOME that GTAIV, RE5, FFXIII, DMC4, etc, etc are on the 360 as well as the PS3, but i can get GTAIV, RE5, FXIII, DMC4, ON TOP of God of War 3 Twisted Metal PS3 inFamous Warhawk Heavenly Sword Uncharted Ratchet and Clank SOCOM Wipeout HD Team Ico's new games White Knight Story sequels to Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy Resistance and it's sequels Motorstorm and it's sequels Gran Turismo 5 all of the above are EXCLUSIVE, owned by Sony, meaning they aren't going ANYWHERE else but the Playstation 3. what does MS have to counter that? Halo? Gears of War? Fable? Alan Wake? only two of those are actually owned by Microsoft. it's obvious that MS has the money to start up quite a few first party internal development studios, so my real big question is; WHY HAVEN'T THEY? why throw gobs of money at GTAIV DLC, Fallout 3 DLC, FFXIII multi-platform status, DMC4, and RE5 parity, when they could have used that money to start up a handful of studios cranking away on titles that they'll actually OWN, so they won't have to worry about securing multi-platform status, or exclusive DLC as compelling reasons to pick up a 360 over a PS3. i mean, is that an unreasonable thing to expect from a company that wants to be the market leader?
...you just do the ENTIRE BALANCE OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY a disservice, by continuing to milk your cash cow. Thanks to the PS2, a ton of "new" 360/PS3 multiplatform titles, have been nothing more than crappy PS2 ports, with slightly better graphics. If Sony had dropped support for the PS2, devs would have been FORCED to learn the PS3 architecture earlier, and thus wouldn't be churning out crappy, buggy games for the PS3. That's right...it's SONY'S fault that devs have such a steep learning curve with their hardware, and that it's been so slow to be adopted. Wake up people.
"thanks to the ps2" Sony is making a shed load of cash, Thanks.
So by your theory, the PS2 was nothing more than ports/remakes from PS1 games. But look at the success of the PS2. Only 1 1/2 year left until the PS2 retires anyway. Sony's sticking to their 10 year plan, and are keeping their word. Something companies like Square Enix and Capcom have a hard time doing.
i do think Sony was Sony's own worst enemy in the beggining of the ps3's life cycle because they openly supported the ps2 so strong. For example I told a few of my buddies who have ps2's that madden was not coming out for ps2 this year they almost passed out and began making plans to save up for either a 360 or ps3. after I told them I was joking they stopped they said they'll just wait until they no choice but to upgrade and I feel a lot of people have the same mentality
Seriously... They've owned a PS2 for however many years and now its time to upgrade... Hmmm... All those PS only franchises... You don't think that MAYBE just maybe they would pick up a PS3 at that point. You don't think Sony thought of this as well. What if this is a new era of gaming where you can support all your customers w/ two consoles. 1) Early adopters w/ new tech and games 2) Middle adopters / somewhat casual, keep supporting until 'the price is right' 3) Late adopters w/ cheap HW, loads of games of all types Who says you need a single console to do all of that?
was very true. I still feel screwed after what happened with the original XBOX...I really do.
Yup, my friend spent $400 on the xbox with a couple of games, just for 1 stinkin year later the Xbox360 comes out. Except now he has the 360, and the xbox is buried away in the closet.
Your "friend" is a moron. In 2004 (a year before the 360 launched), you could get an XBOX for $200 (much less, used)...games were $50 each, NEW. IF he actually paid $400 for an XBOX and "a couple games", then that's HIS fault, for being a stupid, irresponsible consumer.
Well yes it came out to about under $400 with TAX. Yes, we here in California have to pay for TAX. I don't remember the exact amount. I just remember him buying a xbox and had some games. That's just the way it is. And yes, he's a moron because Microsoft chose to abandon the xbox. /sarcasm
When they dropped support for the Xbox before the 360 was even released, I was left going "WTF??" I had just purchased the system, and it was basically obsolete. The only other company that had done that to me was Sega with the Sega Saturn. Bought it, and within a few months they dropped support. *thud* I went about two years before ultimately buying a PS3, and within that time I bought a LOT more PS2 games than Xbox games. If you're wondering why I waited so long, it's because PS3 sucked until around August.
my roommate was constantly getting on me about how awesome the Xbox was, so i picked one up, got Fable, Ninja Gaiden Black, and the KOTOR games, only to have MS say, "key kids, do you love HALO?" kids: YEAH! "do you love KOTOR?" kids: YEAH! "do you love FABLE? kids: YEAH! "then pony up some more dough, because the sequels to those classic franchises are only coming to the 360! HOORAY!!" kids: wha? i was used to the Playstation way gaming is done: previous console continues to get support while the new console finds it's footing. once the new console gathers enough steam, focus is then shifted to the new console, with a very slow diminishing of support for the previous console. each time the PS2 got a price drop, less and less PS1 games were released, as more consumers were looking at the PS2 price drop and saying, "i can swing that, i think i'll upgrade finally." i'm seeing a somewhat similar trend here with the PS3. it would have been so easy for Sony to save God of War 2 for the PS3, forcing fans of the series to upgrade to a PS3 for the much anticipated sequel. instead, they released a game even better than the first on the current console, driving demand for part three to a fever pitch. it's much like what MS did for Halo, except i don't think we'll be seeing Kratos plastered on Mountain Dew cans. not only are we getting the return of classic franchises on the PS3 (ie Ratchet and Clank, and God of War), but a lot of those very same developers are working on NEW franchises that are becoming classics in their own right (Resistance, Uncharted, inFamous has sleeper hit written all over it, etc). Microsoft, once again this generation, is relying too much on third parties to make it's system relevant. all i've seen from MS this gen is "hey, kids! we're just like Playstation, except we charge you to play online with your friends!" "we don't need HDMI, but we need HDMI!" "we don't need an internal HDD, but we need an internal HDD!" "we don't need 1080p games, but we need 1080p games!" "we're focusing on the games, not multi-media, but here's a video download service and partnerships with Netflix!" "and while you're at it, buy a bunch of our overpriced, proprietary peripherals!" the backpaddling MS has done is pretty amusing, as is the backpaddling Sony has done. i think the key difference, is that most of Sony's backpaddling can be resolved with firmware updates (except for the Dual Shock 3), while the MS backpaddling requires you to either buy an entirely new system (the 360 Elite and it's HDMI port), or buy an overpriced peripheral (like the $180 120gig HDD). all these companies want our money, and that's all they care about, but the extent MS has gone to get our money is ridiculous, and they still don't want to start up first party studios to develop exclusive, MS owned IPs for us to enjoy. it's going to be interesting to see what happens when all of Sony's first party IPs are released, and Microsoft is forced to pimp FFXIII DLC to get people excited about the 360 when the game is finally released in 2010.
I posted my thought's, if ppl on this site cant move past thier obvious fanboyism.. not my prob!
i do think when MS brings out the new xbox that they wont make games for the 360...they will allow you to carry over your gamer score and thats about it in terms of PS3 not making money...look it up...every new system, not counting the Wii because it really doesnt play the big games, every new system that comes out does not make money for the 1st year or 2 look it up its a stone cold fact over time with blueray winning the format war the PS3 will become much more then just profitable..in 8 years it will be a lengend with Sony selling over 100 million of them
The guy is so full of sh1t he should change his name to Karzi Hirai, everyone knows that the only reason the ps2 hasn't been dropped is because they cant afford to, its got nothing to do with anything else its purely a financial decision and any one who disagrees is either a moron or just doing it for the sake of it. Nice bit of PR spinning though, he would make a good politician
Xbox 1 still had a lot to offer.
That's cause the PS2 is still successful. They make a large profit from it. If they didn't they would get rid of it. They make it sound like Sony is some kind fo martyr for still having the PS2 on the market.
Nvidia made the GPU in the first Xbox but they had some kind of price argument, but having said that I would have thought that MS and ATI could have come to some sort of agreement to make a cheaper Xbox-1 to make it attractive as a budget console, the original Xbox was a very nice bit of kit.
I loved it. Stored all my games & movies on the hdd and had emulators for all kinds of consoles, arcades & computers =)
i can see them ditching the PS3 once next-gen hits.
Voiceofreason, timmyrulz, Steven Colbert, Shroomy, Rattles, Bubbles for you guy's!
The Xbox 1 was just losing Microsoft alot of money and so was the gamecube to Nintendo, hell if the PS2 was doing as bad as the Xbox and Gamecube sales wise then they would not support it either.
...People don't seem to read these days. Hirai brought up a pretty good point.
I apologise in advance if this makes me sound like an a$$hole, but I have a comfortable salary, so I don't want to be sitting around with outdated technology. So I'm quite happy with new consoles coming out every few years. I like keeping up with technology so new tech and new graphics are all good as far as I'm concerned. Computers double in power every 18 months. So after 8 more years the PS3 is going to be quite far behind the times. Don't get me wrong I love my PS3, for the moment, but PS2? (Not that I've ever owned one I was in the Nintendo camp before this generation) But Come on. I respect Sony for continuing to support it, but you've given that old console a good two year overlap with the newer system. Now is the time to let it die. Bring on the PS4 ... in a couple more years.
That's understandable you want all the new stuff. But one thing you have to consider, is not everybody is like you and me. By "you and me" meaning always wanting to have the latest tech, newest gadgets, etc. But again, not everyone can be as fortunate. Yes. People have bigger things to worry about than getting a new video game console every 3 years. Like every month's rent. Baby's diapers. Car payments. School tuition etc. But so far Sony is releasing a new console every 6 years anyway. So we'll see the PS4 by at least 2011-2012. It also really depends on pricing too. Sony really lucked out with the PS3 that they didn't pull a 3DO for the launch price of $499.99 and $599.99. Price is very important. Look at the PS2 sales. People are still buying the console. Mostly due to it's value. $129.99 plus an extremely vast amount of software at a cheap price. So it's not bad that they still continue to support the console as long as people still buy it. And that doesn't mean they still cant release a new console while supporting the old one. They've done a great job of that in the past and today.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!! ;-D Haven't seen my Good Friend 'Kaz Harai' on this for ages :-( (I don't blame him for getting out of this Place!!!) :-/ A few years time... Where is the xBox 360??? ;-D Where is the Wii??? ;-D Says the PS3!!!;) You will see;)
The PS1 and PS2 were/are still selling. That's why they still support it. Nintendo and MS had to move on because there was no reason to support their console when they had already lost the battle and no one was buying them. So where's my betamax tapes?
That's one arrogant statement to make from third place.
... and supporting three systems! I'd say Sony is doing o.k.
Sony's just not the gaming juggernaut they used to be.
And are selling a lot more PS3s than 360s. They launched a year late, but they're definitely just as strong as before.
got knocked out after about a 10 year reign! And do you think his reign stregnthed his weak attempts at a comeback? Sony had a 10 year reign...great. But they didn't have so much stronger of a competitor before. MS just got in the game so how could they have 10 years? That's why the consensus was that MS was in it for the short term-like their WebTV device. And Nintendo; they never submitted like Sega did. And what doesn't defeat you makes you stronger. They are the true pioneers in gaming. MS is vanguard for online play and Sony...has a nice inexpensive bluRay player this generation.
The real disservice here is called the PS3.