What We Want In - The Order 1887

Paul James of BGU writes "So the consensus amongst critics and consumers alike is that The Order 1886 is something of a letdown. Despite an early sales surge, the game hasn’t kicked on in a way that Sony would have expected prior to launch and all the social media buzz that the game had built up has completely evaporated. The game hasn’t performed in a fashion that Sony or Ready at Dawn would have hoped, but talk, and a very open ending both suggest a future for the game exists. Changes are required, but there is a brilliant core underpinning the game, so with that said, here’s What We Want in The Order 1887 (or whatever it’s called)."

[Transistor]

I would be surprised if there was another Order, it sold pretty badly. I could see the engine being used though, depending on their situation with RAD.

It did 571k retail worldwide.

[johndoe11211]

The order has sold close to 900k in 8 weeks. Where did you get that false info from?

[Transistor]

Not Vgchartz....

Trust me, it's 571k and it wasn't in the top 40 of this months NPD.

I like the game, it didn't due well.

A word to the wise, Vgchartz has no idea what they are talking about especially on the software side. Their software numbers are not even remotely accurate.

[johndoe11211]

You're telling me to trust you but you are showing zero evidence to back up your claim??

[Transistor]

I'm not going to name him cause he's a great source of information. When people start naming NPD sources of information, those sources dry up. NPD is very proactive. It's 571k plus digital which is usually 10% of what ever the retail total is.

Trust me it could be worse, some exclusives people love more than the Order and were highly rated have done much worse.

[crazed_shadow27]

vgchartz shows 810k as of march 21st. Not including all of april and all of digital downloads. It did pretty well.

I liked it, although it did need more gameplay segments.

Although not related, Sunset Overdrive ( a game that was ridiculously fun and had amazing gameplay) sold a lot less. Hope there is a sequel to that.

[Lord_Sloth]

My brother's dog's cousin's owner's ex wife's brother in law said so and trust me, he works for MS!

[nix]

One thing is for sure.

Won't be as bad as Avengers 2. Because that movie was disappointing.

[breakpad]

@lord Sloth..haha +bubble

[Transistor]

Well then, I guess Sony should be announcing 1 million sold shortly then, if you're right.

But they won't because well, I'm right.

[MrSec84]

It sold very well, way more than you said and FYI even at 571K that's $34,260,000, you're quoting launch week sales for the game.

The game's probably sold well over a million units by now.
It's been a very popular game, people close to Sony and RAD have said it's very likely to get a sequel, hell even RAD have said they have a lot more planned for the series and 1886 was basically their introduction to the franchise.

[kraenk12]

Game sold more than most XB1 One exclusives actually. Don't know where you got your numbers from. It sold 571 thousand on the first day already.

[Spotie]

Yes, your super secret anonymous source no one else in the industry knows about told you and only you this.

[Transistor]

I never said all that, it comes from Neogaf. I'm just not going to name him. Another person who worked for NPD that was on Neogaf just got caught because they became to known. I'm not going to be the cause of that, sorry.

[Kingscorpion1981]

Its only been out for 2 months. I'm sure it will reach a million before the end of this year.

[MCTJim]

I bought it used and it was not stellar nor was it fantastic, it was in my opinion a decent game..avg at best, but I still enjoyed it, many didn't and the numbers tell the tale. As for the next incarnation, sure why not.

[Jalva]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[crazychris4124]

Its going to get a sequel, vgchartz says is sold over 800k which is pretty good for a new IP. They have a good foundation to go make an even better game.

[TedCruzsTaint]

I really have no doubt there's going to be a sequel. No, it didn't sell well. No, the game didn't quite deliver.
But, at the end of the day, what we are left with is an expensive, and promising, new IP.
One ready to learn from the mistakes of the original, delivering something truly noteworthy the next time around.

Only time will tell.

[Spotie]

Where are these "didn't sell well" comments coming from?

[TedCruzsTaint]

At best, the game didn't even hit a million. And some seem to even be arguing those numbers.

That's not what I consider good for a very, very highly marketed new IP.

[Spotie]

And this info is from...?

[TedCruzsTaint]

Well . . . I have to assume you have been reading the comments, and can see that other users have already posted the information. If there are links needed, that seems like their job.

Back and forths tend to bore me, and I only have one bubble after this anyway, so it's not like I'll see the conversation through. I take my leave knowing you know my opinion lol

[Spotie]

So you base your opinion on the unsubstantiated claims of others who, themselves, are as willing to provide proof as you are?

Seems legit.

[maniacmayhem]

No different from you am I right? I mean aren't you the one claiming certain sites are Sony biased based on one or two articles, anyone who doesn't like The Order you accuse of never playing it, anyone who thinks Vita isn't a great machine is only out to troll Sony.

How come you can make these outlandish claims against others with no proof whatsoever but others must provide proof specifically for you?

I mean Bloodborne hit a million and that news was all over N4G. Where's the article for The Order? Can't Slaphappy make a guess just based on the experiences found on N4G?

Or are you now going to curl up and start saying I'm stalking you and your to busy with school?

[zsquaresoff]

A longer story and a New game Plus mode. Maybe a horde mode, mass effect 3 MP style.

[Agent_hitman]

A photo-realistic game like that would take up to 3-4 years to make. So therefore, don't expect the sequel anytime soon.

Remember when Sony unveiled that game back in early 2013? Ready at Dawn along with Sony Sta Monica were probably developing the game for almost 2 years already. I will not be surprised if the sequel will be on PS5

[Jalva]

"I will not be surprised if the sequel will be on PS5"

http://www.quickmeme.com/im...

[kraenk12]

They have planned a trilogy for PS4. The next game already is in the making and alot of development like character creation, engine programming and stuff is already done for a great part. Next game won't take that long at all.

[rainslacker]

I dunno about 3-4. Maybe 2-3, but they have the core of the actual game down so it's really just a matter of asset creation. The original took 4 years to make, but about half of that was creating the engine.

[mamotte]

Gameplay.

[killa_sam]

5v5 mp

[Quofo]

Not every game is meant to have mp.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

I agree, overall, I'd say they need to Uncharted that franchise. The core is so cool. Include more gameplay, expand the length of the chapters, give more space to the other characters. More half-breeds, more vampires, mixed race, whatever. And much like Uncharted, give us grand decors, though that boat/fire chapter was AMAZING, same with the zeppelin and port.

We'll see a sequel for sure, the seeds they planted are just too good.

[wakeNbake]

Multiplayer? (throws up flame shield)

[WilDRangeRfc]

Multiplayer,more action on the singleplayer with better AI game would be golden

[Germany7]

The series has a great potential.

[gokuking]

Instead of burning money on this, Sony should burn money on a new slate of cool looking Vita games. At least then they'd get positive cred.

[Minute Man 721]

More monster and some boss fights

[Quofo]

Finished this game yesterday. Game was much better than what reviews said. Game was around 10-12 hours long. At least half of that time was gameplay. Don't listen to bs reviews about this game being 2-5 hours long. I give this game a 9.5

[Genova84]

I beat it in 6.5 hours, on Hard. Only reason it took that long is the endless swarms of enemies "occasionally" overran me.

How do you make the game hard, bro?
Have the player have to kill FIFTY of these throw away enemies! Yeah!

Glad I rented it!

[DougLord]

It didn't sell well enough for a sequel. It didn't even sell 1mm copies and it was the most expensive game to make of the generation. [email protected] suffered big losses on it and have laid off a lot of staff because of this. The good news is it will be cheaper for Sony to buy them out.

All these idiots saying it sold well, Sony was expecting this to sell more then 5mm units.

[Spotie]

Do you have proof of ANYTHING you've said?

Don't know why I'm asking. The answer is obviously no.

[SaveFerris]

I have literally no idea how many copies were sold, but I hope to see a sequel.

[rainslacker]

Wow...so many people seem to know what this game sold. No official number since it's launch week. it was close to 600K then, and people assume it couldn't make another 400K in the next few weeks? Do people really not know that games sell beyond the first week. Did they forget this game topped the UK and Australian charts for all games, and was the top PS game for the week of it's release in the US, despite only being out for 3 days of that week?

This game has had sales since all the price drops. it will most certainly be on PS+ at some point. It's a promising IP that had it's flaws in the first game, but all the makings are there to be a big name IP for Sony. Even if Sony breaks even on the game, or even loses a bit, there is too much invested in the success of this IP for them to simply give up on it.

I say in a couple years at E3, we see the trailer for the next game.