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Remove paid mod content from Steam petition reaches 30,000 sigs in less than 24 hours

A Change.org petition created on April 23rd, 2015, the same day Steam launched its paid mod feature on Steam Workshop, has already reached 30,000+ signatures in just 21 hours.

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ritsuka6663704d ago

An unnecessary move from valve for sure. Sad..

Saryk3704d ago

30,000 signatures is like 30,000 in China protesting, doesn't mean shit! When it gets to 2+ million, maybe then (big maybe), it might matter.

Cindy-rella3704d ago

People love things for free which is ok but sometimes if you want quality you have to pay for it. I dont like mods in my games anyway because often times they cause conflict on my pc or something goes wrong. To each his own. People should have the choice though to have paid for mods but i can see devs trying to capitalize on paid for mods later. Imagine games with mkx situation

elninels3704d ago

I agree. I'd also like to point out that people shouls be paid for their hard work, modders included. Perhaps it should be restructured, but banning paid mods is silly. Expecting ish for free is sillier.

Dasteru3704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

The reason alot of people are against this isn't because they want everything for free. It is because it leads to laziness and greed among mod developers.

They start to think of it as a job rather than a hobby and it leads to lower quality since by the time you download the mod and realise it is buggy crap, they have already been payed. There is less incentive to make things properly when it is being done for the money, rather than for the fun of it. That isn't what mods are suppose to be about.

What they should do is add a donation feature. That way modders will continue putting effort into their mods, and if after downloading and testing the mod, people like it, they can then donate whatever amount they want. The mod developer would also get 100% of the money this way.

Tempest3173704d ago

@Cindy-rella @elninels The point is, modders made the mods full-well knowing they were going to be free. This isn't a new concept, modding is an art and a hobby. People do it because they have ideas and the ability to put those ideas into something, and share it with the world. Valve is attempting to monetize this industry, when millions of people have been doing this for years for free because they WANT to. This isn't about "expecting ish for free". This is Valve and devs wanting to get paid for something they provided nothing to, other than a canvas. And before anyone says "The devs deserve to get paid for people using their works" or something along those lines, the devs also provide the modding tools and are the ones that have allowed the industry to flourish! They've never gotten paid for it, the modders aren't getting paid for it, no money is changing hands yet thousands of ideas and creative minds are flooding the market for the enjoyment of the masses. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Greed.

BenRage33703d ago (Edited 3703d ago )

As of now it is over 90,00 signatures and it will continue to climb far beyond that I promise you. I signed the petition.

Free mods are one of the key selling points that make PC gaming so great. And I'm tired of being nickel and dimed for any and everything these days. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I spend a hell of a lot of money on Steam as do a lot of you. This almost feels like a punishment for my loyalty. Not cool Valve.

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camel_toad3704d ago

I love valve but man with this and a few other things recently theyve left me scratching my head.

3-4-53704d ago

* It's like this people:

* Imagine a company who makes canvases for painting.

Imagine said company wanting a cut or a % of the money an artist made from their painting, because they used their canvas.

^ NOBODY would stand for that. In any business at all.

* Tell Valve we want "our cut", from THEIR % of sales, because WITHOUT US, they would have NO money.

How about that ^ ?

And I love STEAM....but this is BS.

rainslacker3704d ago

I'm not sure I really understand why people are upset about the option to be there.

The option still exists to allow for free mods right? If that's the case, then just let people who don't want to pay for mods, not pay for them?

There will still be modders that will do it for free...they do it now for the love of it. Some will charge for it, and if there are still tons of free ones, then the free ones will likely not make much money unless they are truly unique.

How is this any different than some company doing a huge mod to a game, then charging for it like it's a new game?

The only thing I can see being an issue is the cuts which Valve has implemented, which seem excessively in favor of Valve.

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WolfLeBlack3704d ago

It's now past 38,000 signatures.

JsonHenry3704d ago

Not sure why this is a problem. If you don't like paying for a mod then don't use it.

I understand everyone wants stuff for free. But if someone else spends their time making something and chooses to sell it I don't see a problem with that seeing as how no one is forced to buy anything.

rdgneoz33704d ago

And if you pay money for a mod, then it gets broken by a patch shortly. Guess what, all you can do is ask nicely about when it's going to be fixed (if at all).

General Shrooms3704d ago

so what? spend your money judiciously. What you said can be applied to about anything you spend money on

JsonHenry3704d ago

Again, no one is forcing you to buy it. And if no one buys them, guess what?? They'll stop charging!

I swear economics needs to be taught in school.

Saryk3704d ago

Then don't buy it if you're scared!

TXIDarkAvenger3704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

Well for one people are posting mods that aren't theirs and/or have someones mod in conjunction with their own without any permission. The system is pretty flawed. They should of added a donation button instead but whatever, Steam barely has any of the good mods so hopefully this doesn't become the norm. Not to mention the money is split between Valve, the developer, and the modder.

rainslacker3704d ago

I understand there are issues with the policies, and I actually do agree that they need to be fixed in a big way.

What I don't understand is why people are upset that the ability to charge for mods has been made available.

This petition seems to be geared towards taking away the option completely, not towards fixing the issues that the policies introduce.

Blank3704d ago

@JsonHenry
Like minded individuals like you are what cause this industry turn into a greedy monster.

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Tempest3173704d ago

@thunderbird The only way that comparison could pssibly apply is if I worked for free for the last 20 years, never expecting anything, then my boss comes up and say "Hey, you can start charging for your work but youll only get 25%." Also, modding is a hobby thats pretty much always been done for free. Working for a living? Not so much. Apples and Oranges

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OhReginald3704d ago

What's to hate? you support the people that make the mods so they can make more mods.....people these days..they don't recognize how much work and time goes into these mods and want everything for free...

crazychris41243704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

So then Valve should let us donate so the modder gets 100% not the 25% or less like its setup now

rdgneoz33704d ago

There was another article where someone linked pics of valve removing links that modders put for donations...

Rachel_Alucard3704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

@rdgneoz

Yeah that was this one
http://imgur.com/9jFZkwP

I also have heard from a few people that the modders literally get paid in steambux, so that whole "make a living" advertising point is completely false because not only do they get a measly 25% share, they also can only spend that share back to valve. The economics just do not work in the way that people are led to believe.

Valve literally gets 70% of the revenue while bethesda gets 30%. Effectively, destroying that whole "money incentive" that I see some people using as a defense.

rdgneoz33704d ago

They're splitting the 25% valve isn't taking (they get a nice 75% cut for hosting it) and the mod developer and game developer split the other 25%. And the game developer can adjust how much of a split it is. They get anywhere from 1% of the sale to 25% depending on how nice the game developer is... so for a $5 mod, anywhere between $1.25 and $0.05 ...

Blank3704d ago

Most of the time they have a direct paypal link to donate and appreciate!

Big_Game_Hunters3704d ago

People want everything for free now, i like free things too but remember, its up to the MOD creaters to sell their content that they work hard on if they want, or make it free..If they want to make money from their hard work i see no issue. The real issue here is that valve gets 75% while the creaters only get 25%.

Mr Tretton3704d ago

'Now?' Mods were always free!

rainslacker3704d ago

And for the most part, they probably will continue to be free. It's just the way the modding community is. Some will start to charge though, and likely won't make any money unless Valve changes it's policies.

People pay full price for "new" games which are just big mods. people pay for DLC, which is really just a mod. Some people will probably be willing to pay for mods that modders make.

There's a huge number of people on Steam that don't get all riled up which may not have a problem with this, and may be willing to pay for it, but how is that effecting the people upset about it beyond they may lose out on a mod here or there if a particular modder decides to charge for it?

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89 million Steam account details allegedly leaked, but no one seems to know how

A LinkedIn post from Underdark AI made the discovery, stating that datasets are being sold for over $5,000 on a known black market forum.

Cockney31d ago

Biggest hack in gaming history if true

Christopher31d ago

No personal details, mostly account names, no passwords. Likely would need other account leaks to hope that someone reuses a password with a similar account name on another already leaked service. While a lot of users, the data is useless. Kind of notably by the $5k request for the data.

FinalFantasyFanatic29d ago

Plus, if you have 2FA enabled, then you were at zero risk anyway, from what I've read, Steam isn't even recommending password changes as it's apparently unnecessary.

VariantAEC25d ago

@Christopher
Where are you getting that from?
The linked article above says, "The seller claims this is a “fresh” leak and says it includes usernames, passwords, two-factor SMS logs, message contents, metadata, delivery status, and other sensitive details." Which sure sounds like they might have a lot of other information. If this leak is legitimate I better stop hearing people falsely say PSN is the worst secured digital storefront (even though that hasn't been true for a very long time with far larger data breaches since 2011 all over the world including the Equifax breach which was several times larger).

VariantAEC25d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic
That seems true only if you use Steam Guard. If you opted for T2A via SMS the article suggests it's time to make the switch to Steam Guard and of course change your password.

Christopher25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

From the credit URL: https://x.com/MellowOnline1...

The article doesn't do a good job of going into the updated detail, they just mention part of it.

Just because the seller claims something, doesn't make it true. If it truly contained that data, it would be worth way more than just $5k. SMS systems don't rely on getting passwords for accounts they're sending an SMS to, just the username, phone number, and timestamp info.

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Profchaos30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

You don't remember the psn hack I take it

Cockney29d ago

I do remember it being 77 million, thats why I made my comment

BlueDaBaDee30d ago

Update:
"Valve has now confirmed that “this was NOT a breach of Steam systems” and users do not need to change their passwords as a result. However, it continues to recommend that you set up the Steam Mobile authenticator for extra security."

https://store.steampowered....

Fishy Fingers30d ago

Shame. I liked the idea someone paid 5 grand just for my silly steam name.

DivineHand12530d ago

The government needs a taskforce with serious fundung that can opporate across borders to go after cyber criminals.

It is getting out of hand and it is the regular citizens of the world that suffer the consequences of these hacks and breaches.

My fear is that if left unchecked, state sponsored hackers from corrupt or governents under sections may use this as a method of raising revenue at the expense of everyone else.

Fishy Fingers30d ago

Bro teeing up a Mission Impossible movie.

ZeekQuattro30d ago

Not in this administration. If anything hes been dissolving existing task forces meant to protect consumers.

Amplitude30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Why? They’d just use the funding to funnel hundred of millions of dollars into fake NGOs that then funnel it into democrat pockets while doing zero cyber criminal defence work.

Then if anybody tried to defund them it’d be a whole thing with the mainstream media claiming that there will be endless cyber attacks. NGOs would then fund protest groups to attack anybody that supports defunding the government’s cyber attack defence branch and then it would turn out it was also being used to stabilize or destabilize governments in other countries and overthrow elections to benefit America. Which is fine until they start using it on us again.

Let’s just not. Private companies who know what they’re doing (Valve) can deal with it

RIP USAID. God bless

Profchaos30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

It's not a may use this not we know state sponsored attacks do this already.

It's a global problem you couldn't have one government playing world police it would require joint collaboration with foreign governments and the problem is many laws have not kept pace with advancement of technology.

even then it's hard to say with certainty if an attack was a state sponsored attacks or a cybercriminal group operating outside of governments

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pwnmaster300030d ago

remember when certain groups were saying PC gamers don’t want other subscriptions because it was not safe and steam was the spot lol.

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badz14930d ago

it's time to riot, right, pc gamers??

pwnmaster300030d ago

Be careful, PC gamers are the most touchy out of the gamers lol

staticall30d ago

@badz149
@pwnmaster3000
Have you guys actually read what was «leaked»? It was SMS messages from 3rd party provider (not from Steam itself) with one-time 2FA codes (that are active for 15 minutes). No Steam account details, access to an account or any of that jazz.

Let me quote official Steam response:
«The leak consisted of older text messages that included one-time codes that were only valid for 15-minute time frames and the phone numbers they were sent to. The leaked data did not associate the phone numbers with a Steam account, password information, payment information or other personal data. Old text messages cannot be used to breach the security of your Steam account, and whenever a code is used to change your Steam email or password using SMS, you will receive a confirmation via email and/or Steam secure messages.»
Source: https://store.steampowered....

The only bad thing about this is the phone numbers. But while that sucks, attacker doesn't know which Steam account this phone number belongs to. IMO, the only thing people should be rioting about is how unprotected the SMS are and the 3rd party service that was used by Steam. I'm all for punishing people who screwed up and/or lacked the security. But this is not it.

FinalFantasyFanatic29d ago

Why riot? They have nothing of value, can't even steal an account with the details they have, they would have to attempt a brute force attack, you can already do that with a Steam user's account name (or any account on any site) if you really wanted to spend the time and processing power to do it.

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Creature Collector Fest hits Steam with some epic discounts

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