Nintendo has spent a good chunk of its existence dropping the ball, but this time they have gone to far and gamers need to take a stand.
But isn't it possible to just not monetize Nintendo videos and keep monetizing everything else? Does it really have to be all or nothing?
Depends. If they are protesting, then this could get Nintendo's attention. The average person will keep doing it. But those who monetize will stop and that sucks because it helps promote games for conpanies.
No it doesn't. Those who defend youtubers seem to think that it's free advertising, and Nintendo is just too dumb to realize it. This article tries to make this out like it affects reviews. THIS ONLY APPLIES TO "Let's Play" VIDEOS! It's people who record themselves playing a video game, then just upload it to youtube for money. It's funny how people want to moan about EA and Ubisoft wanting more money, but they pay for the games to be made. At least Joe's encyclopedia dramatica page is entertaining. More than his skits and twitter wars he has for attention.
@Dhampir The stats show that the videos about the game DO increase sales, so yes, it is advertising, and Nintendo wants people to basically play to advertise them. So the right way to protest would be to refuse to advertise them, ala stop making Nintendo videos. The thing is, the more you let companies push you around, the more you get screwed. They're in it for the money, they don't care about you or the fans, and if they play rough, you gotta play rough back.
@HammadTheBeast Can you show me the stats, please?
Nintendo's management is so backwards it's just ridiculous.
The only thing that I'm afraid of is if this catches on. What if EA, Ubisoft, Capcome, Square, Acti, Sony or MS start doing this? I get it, The Wii U isn't a strong seller and you need to make money somehow. But that what those Amibo's are for right? So why patrol Youtoubers who are promoting your game, trying to sell your game and even the console? Nintendo had some screw ups in the past but DAMN.
EA is paying a bunch of channels so they won't do it.
does not matter. if all are doing it, youtubers will either pay them their share or just not monetize their videos. this is the same for music. you can't use a song without a license in one of your videos and sell that video.
Then maybe people will finally realize nobody should be making money off some idiot posting a video of their ugly face on YouTube, nor should the idiot making it. You guys have really fallen down a well with this shit.
This Nintendo "story" is the flavor of the month for the Video Game "journalists". By the time Mid may rolls around this won't even be in the top 5 most talked about things.
"By the time Mid may rolls around this won't even be in the top 5 most talked about things." With that attitude, you're most certainly, and sadly, correct. But then again, that just about sums up most "gamers". The majority of us, notorious for lacking the motivation to do anything right about anything wrong. We're so well adjusted to sticking our heads in the sand, that the only time we come up for air is to tell other gamers to shut up and put on a snorkel. It's how millions of Xbox fans were able to go full-frontal lobotomy in defending the Xbox One way back when. With arguments meant to discredit, trivialize and invalidate, and if all else fails, reinforce the fact that our complaints won't change anything. This issue will more than likely disappear in the months to come, but only because of everything that's wrong with those who claim to truly care about Nintendo or anything beyond themselves in gaming. They need our pity, and our help. But mostly our pity.
Exposure is efficient.
For some of them it is not worth it with the split because the ad revenue they went in knowing to be viable will not be enough for their cost. Imagine going into business and you calculated a certain amount of revenue to cover your cost and make a profit but then suddenly find out later that that revenue will be cut in half. Bigger personalities like Angry Joe will be fine because he already has a big following but for the smaller guys/gals it will be hard and it will be even much harder if Sony and MS as well as other publishers follow suit which I think is what these youtubers are really more worried about. In the end though I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. It is honestly not that big of a deal like most people are making it out to be.
Business is always changing and the top companies change with the business environment to keep their revenue up. It's a big part of business. If you are serious about youtubing as a business you had to see this coming and you should've planned for it. There is NO CRYING in business! PERIOD
Every video they make takes time. It's an investment from which they want to see money in return. If they make Nintendo videos without monetizing they are wasting time and could have been working on a different video that will give them money.
* Somebody Prominent within the Video Game's industry is going to eventually shut Joe up and make him look like the fool he really is. Then he will blame that person and try to rally everyone against them. Angry Joe is an Attention Whooore.
Yup. They should walk away. Youtubers aren't the one to lose here. Nintendo is!
And this is why you don't make a living on something a fickle as YouTube.
And you think that they are making money on Youtube solely because of Nintendo? LOL They are making money on Youtube one way or another and Nintendo acknowledged that. That's why they want a piece of it too. These Youtubers aren't gonna bend over for that as there are tons of other stuff they can use without the publisher breathing on their neck asking for money! Nintendo needs to realize that they are no longer the presence they once were in this industry where they dictate things. Now, they need every good publicity they can get but this move is a complete opposite of what they should be doing. These Youtubers aren't going anywhere but they will no longer promote anything Nintendo. It's Nintendo's loss!
Actually what I'm saying is YouTube is financially fickle. These people do it because their livelihood depends on it, and now their all nervous at the fact Nintendo might start a trend and ruin their easy money. And that's why they are all throwing a fit, they want to run a business and Nintendo is treating them like one.
Nintendo isn't the problem, its the trend, the idea that bothers them. When those happy Nintendo shareholders see profits from this, other shareholders will wonder they aren't making money from youtube.
The more reason for them to ditch Nintendo altogether, isn't it? I don't think they will let Nintendo set a bad precedent for this. Nintendo can claim all their rights all they want but the easiest way is for these Youtube celebrities to leave Nintendo behind and just see how they like their royalty now when nobody is giving them anything!
YouTube's not something fickle anymore. It may have been early on, but its well enough established now that you can easily make a career out of it, just like any other media platform. Sure, its a risk, but so is every other media related career.
I've walked away from Nintendo since the Wii. Everything before that was great.
The hate is strong for Nintendo. Wow. Makes you think if Nintendo is so rubbish at EVERYTHING as these haters/fanboys would have you believe, then why do they dedicate so much time just bash Nintendo? surely any normal person would spend more time doing something they enjoy. Insecurities and delusions mixed with no life I assume.
Talk about missing the point. Yeah, I mean you.
Talk about not reading the article before posting. Opening line: "Allow me to preface this tirade by saying that I love Nintendo, and that of the current-gen consoles, the Wii U is the unopposed champion for people who actually want to play games."
Funnily enough, quite a lot of the youtubers this affects are actually Nintendo fans...
Without already well known Youtubers, Nintendo will have to wait for some new folks to gain reputation and advertise their games. Once those people become wiser, the same thing may happen all over again. In other words, Nintendo will lose and not gain from this.
With bile being constantly sprewed towards Microsoft and Nintendo. Though I do believe they're (Nintendo) at fault (somewhat), this negative bandwagon of disdain for ''everyone that isn't Sony,'' has reached its threshold of unlawful bias and campaign shaming.
Nintendo wants people to pay to advertise them, this has nothing to do with Sony or MS.
They want to get paid because these people are making money using their intellectual property. If these youtubers were using something that you spent years and millions of dollars to make for financial gain, you would want a cut from it and don't even try to deny it because you would. Also, youtubers don't make let's plays to advertise Nintendo, Sony, EA... products. They do it because it makes them money period. They see this industry as a business and like 00 said above, they can't handle the fact that Nintendo sees it the same way.
Nintendo are greedy for their youtube demands but they are a huge part of the gaming industry. Hope they can turn it around and stop being so arrogant. Remember nintendo that u need gamers support if u want to survive in this industry. Be humble.
More like run away.
First off, we don't think Nintendo would really care if people stopped doing stuff on Youtube with their stuff. Another thing is a lot of people won't stop covering Nintendo stuff especially if they are a fanboy/girl of Nintendo.
oh so boycott Nintendo because you cant make money off Mario. So instead of enjoying the system and it's game lol As small as my YouTube channel is. Nintendo only claimed all but one of my Mario Kart 8 video out of 9. Not my Smash, DKCTF, Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2 vids. None of my 19 Smash vids. Ironically Bandai Namco claimed Tales of Versperia. But it cool right....
I think it is over the top if people boycott Nintendo over this. I do understand though if Angry Joe and other youtubers like him would not make any more videos of Nintendo games though. To most of them its their actual lively hood at stake here so I can understand if they boycott making any more Nintendo videos.
If anything should be boycotted it is Angry Joe's channel. I question whether it was even Nintendo who caused the video to be taken down. At the very least, it was probably his plan for it to be taken down by Nintendo. He knew Nintendo's policy but he put up a video of him and his buddies playing Mario Party. That way he can put up another video claiming how horrible Nintendo is and rally up people behind him. Everyone will then feel sorry for him. I don't have any sympathy for grown "men" who come out and whine on the Internet, though, whether they knew of Nintendo's policies or not. The You Tubers that are successful typically know how to get their bread buttered. Unfortunately, it's easier to do well if you are an ass.
@roboshort It wasnt Nintendo since Angry Joe himself stated it was a copyright claim. Copyright claim dooes not but remove the ability to make money. He didn't get copyright strike. He purposely removed the video. You can get 100 copyright claim and your channel will still be fine. Joe is at fault here.
Can't believe how thick is the bubble in what nintendo is living for decades,the only think what they have the decensy to do was give some facilities at the indies this gen,but that was because wii u was a huge failure and they needed some games in the system,everything else is putting his fingers in his ears and think what they are in the 90 where they did have a monopoly in the market with the nes and snes.
I would suggest you not take the narrative that is commonly told on the Internet as fact. Many of these You Tubers are self-serving and have their own interests to protect, just like Nintendo does. They will present a one-sided view of things not much different than what we get from Fox or MSNBC. That being said I don't think Nintendo is making the right decision.
Youtubers are just afraid if nintendo start doing policies.They know all other game companys like Ea,Square Enix,and etc going start doing this.It feel like me it copyright because if i made a game for two through eight years and somebody who didn't made the game complain about on youtube (not gamespot,gameinfomer)it give a bad review and I sick of youtubers doing nothing for free and getting paid for something they didn't make. I'm with nintendo on this.
Didn't make? Want fantasy you live in kid? The brought video recorder with HD support, high end mics and some brought video edit software. All to make videos, you just butt hurt they have skills to make videos that bring people in. Pewdiepie has the biggest fan base and if all his fans stop supporting Nintendo. Well Nintendo will feel it.
believe what you want but making a movie that takes a few hours maybe a day is nothing compared to the years and man hours that go into these games people can complain all they want but the moment they want to make money of someone elses ip they have to pay a license fee these youtubers want to be treated like a consumer while monetising everything and in fact being a bussines themselves all the people trying to defend these youtubers dont seem to understand a lot of things but still scream boycott nintendo
@Ol Its funny how clueless you are, off a ip? How? Money is coming from ads that are view and soon from people that pay for ad free YouTube. Movies take longer then that kid, you know nothing. Just like games they have to find voice actors, music/artist and much more.
No question what Nintendo is doing is crappy and stupid but they are the ip owners of the games in question as such its their right. Better for those affected to just forget about Nintendo on youtube and let Nintendo try and sell their own games by themselves lol! So I agree. Its time to walk away.
you mean how they did everything by themselves these past 30 years? i agree too let these fake youtubers like angry joe who never cared about nintendo walk away that way we have fewer articles from biased people how bad they are to us gamers and how they should die i for one would applaud it if these youtubers kept devalueing the ip's from those who are too stupid to see how it's impacting their sales negatively keep believing what you want but 80 % of these youtube followers are probably kids who can't afford the games they're looking at anyway
Seriously. Nintendo are too stupid to realize how videos and free marketing can help. Geez, I dunno. Minecraft? Nintendo have been too busy counting their money to realize that it's 2015, not 1998. The are so far behind the times, it's laughable. However, gamers being sheep, there are people defending strong armed corporation. Bad PR can help wake them up. This helps.
There's no sales data in existence to prove that Youtubers have been doing for Nintendo what they did for Minecraft. Until there is, claims of " but its free advertisement! We're making your games sell millions so leave us alone!" have no merit.
Nintendo is TOO BLIND to see what freedom for gamers to record and show off gameplay does for the bottom line and success. Minecraft might possibly be the biggest game ever and a big part of that is the free marketing that it received. Nintendo is obviously content with their level of earnings because their actions speak to stupidity. Anyone looking at the situation would agree. No other companies are so stupid and that if anything, should say to people all you need to know. If Nintendo was smart, then other greedy corps (they all are greedy) would do as they do and clamp down on all their intellectual properties.
Minecraft is totally different. That game has no structure and infinite replayability. Linear games have little replay value and can often be adequately experience d by watching an lp. That's the problem.
I've been doing videos on my youtube channel for awhile now. I mostly do Nintendo related content. Some of video's get matched but the last few games I've done, they haven't matched ID my stuff yet. I mean the video I put up today for Mario Kart 8 never got Matched Content ID calmed. WTF that's weird cause before I use to get all my uploaded stuff from MK8 and those game Matched content ID as soon as it went live. Weird, My captain Toad, Kirby, Tipping stars, and now Mario Kart 8 have not had Match Content ID yet on my videos and NO I'm not part of there program. Weird.
Are you monetizing the videos? That's probably why.
Yes I am monetizing it. The last 5 Nintendo video's I've done have all been monetized. No match content ID.
I think so many people see this as a black and white issue. "Nintendo are dumb and missing out on free marketing" "YouTubers should be able to monetize whatever they like, and Nintendo don't deserve a cut" Nintendo have always controlled their brand to an insane degree. This is the company that used to put a 'Seal of Approval' on their games. And for a long time that Seal actually meant something! You knew you'd get a decent, bug free, game 99% of the time. They gave preferential treatment to developers who made quality titles. So it should shock no one that Nintendo wants to tightly control the type of videos that are being put on YouTube. This is not a 100% money issue for Nintendo and anyone who thinks it is, is short sighted. Chances are the money they make from taking a cut barely covers the expense of validating and checking the content people who are part of the Programme are posting up. This is all about control and IP protection. I don't necessarily agree with the way they are doing it. But I completely understand why they are. The last thing Nintendo wants is someone posting a video ranting and swearing while playing one of their games. One area I do agree with Jaffe is that some people are acting with such a sense of entitlement.
SO censorship is alright now?
Lol. Don't be so dramatic. You perfectly highlight my comment about people seeing this as a black or white issue. Of course! Because I can see Nintendo's point of view I must believe all censorship is OK now! /s What a ridiculous reduction of an argument! At least try and create some interesting debate on the issue. The first and biggest discussion we should be having is whether the platforms we have, such as YouTube etc, make it too easy for large corporations to abuse the system. And whether YouTube should have an obligation to stop revenue getting re-appropriated while a dispute is settled. People may not agree with what Nintendo are doing, but if you join their programme you are guaranteed your share of the revenue (even if it is less) with no risk of takedown. Whereas ANY video you post could be hit with a ContentID takedown, and that precious revenue from the first 24-48 hours after publishing goes straight in to someone else's pocket. And to top it all... The entity that makes the final decision in any appeal you raise is the SAME entity that made the original takedown - so good luck seeing any money from that video! So this whole Nintendo issue is a tiny part of a much bigger problem.
It's Nintendo, though. Every big game that's come out for Wii U has been well-made and bug-free (for the most part). They even have a track record of solid games on release. So why is Nintendo--of all companies--worried about what people are showing on Youtube? Either way I try to rationalize it, it makes no sense. -On no! that person is showing our well-made game on Youtube, now people will see how bug-free it is! -Oh no! that person is let's playing our game on Youtube, the whole story of our heavily gameplay-driven IP--like Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 8--will be spoiled for everyone! -Oh no! that well-known person on Youtube--the one with millions of fans-- is showing sincere enjoyment for our product! We should tie them down to a program and control what they say, that way if they say anything good, no one will question the legitimacy at all! The only logic that makes sense is the same that accounts for all of Nintendo's missteps since they revealed Wii U: they're out of touch and desperately need a wake-up call before it gets any worse. "People may not agree with what Nintendo are doing, but if you join their programme you are guaranteed your share of the revenue (even if it is less) with no risk of takedown." I don't think it's worth it. Not after what I've heard from the likes of Jim Sterling or TotalBiscuit (but the article explains it as well). First of all, it's not just Nintendo taking a cut, it's Nintendo taking a cut AFTER other parties have already done so. And second, you only get to show games that're on a pre-approved list. So, not only are you limited to what kind of content you can create, and what you can say, but you're barely making ANYTHING from it. Who would take this kind of deal? Not only is it not worth it, but it's a lose-lose situation for BOTH parties. The Youtuber makes next to nothing and is tied down, and Nintendo gets horrible PR (while also making chump change). Then there's the ulterior reason for them to be doing this, which would be to try and hide broken, buggy, mediocre games (which is why other companies, including Indies, even go after Youtubers in the first place!). But we can rule that out, as Nintendo doesn't (and arguably never) had this problem. Their games are always guaranteed fun and solid experiences, and seeing someone have fun in Mario Kart 8 (especially someone with pull like Joe) only makes you consider getting it yourself. That's important for them right now, because they really need to sell more Wii U's to the gaming public, especially after the amount of blunders they've had. The PS4 already caught up to and surpassed the Wii U's sales. That's just sad. Youtubers could've been their saving grace. But no, they had to ruin it. Now, I did come up with another reason, one that makes sense from an out-of-touch, old man perspective. What if Nintendo simply don't want everyone spoiling all the "excitement" all over Youtube? So, a program where they tell everyone to only show certain areas of a game (or a certain amount of footage) is something I'll buy. It's still stupid, but I'll buy it. But, if that's the problem, then why try and make money off of Youtubers? They're already getting their revenue taxed. All you're doing is creating bad PR by pissing them off. These people put serious work into their transformative content, and they then share that with hundreds, thousands, and even millions of fans. Tying them down and charging them not only makes you look out of touch and greedy, but also like you're trying to hide a broken/bad game. It's baffling, and the only explanation is that Nintendo is run by the baffling.
I see you are out of bubbles to continue this debate. But you make interesting points. Yes, I believe it's a poor, short sighted, move by Nintendo, but I think you miss one 'Oh no'... And that is Nintendo are like the 'Disney' of the gaming world. They appeal to all ages from kids, families, to even the hardcore. Companies like that are terrified of bad publicity to the point where they would rather shoot down an entire concept (like YouTube videos), than risk some kid seeing Angry Joe swearing while playing a Nintendo game. YouTubers who make their living off videos see this as a money issue, and Nintendo being greedy and out of touch. But I see this as 100% a protection of brand and IP issue. One point you made I found interesting was about the 'excitement' of a Nintendo game being spoiled. No one has raised any noise about Sony putting a feature in to their Twitch streaming and recording where devs can choose to blank the screen at certain points. Dragonball Xenoverse does this a lot for all story points, and I think Killzone did it too in places. So it is possibly a consideration for Nintendo and shows Sony has as much of an 'old man perspective' as well.
Nintendoomed! is not far away.
Just deal with it and some sound like a bruch crybabies just look at video game reviews on websites.
A lot more "work time" & "money" goes into successful/unsuccessful Youtubers buying the necessary equipment & spending more time editing their videos & creating *entertaining commentary. *Entertaining being subjective, but you can't put a value on it, since hey we don't all like the same music, but they still get paid for entertaining someone else. The more important part of this change is that Nintendo get to review the video before it can be uploaded to Youtube, meaning if they don't like what they see, they can manipulate the public opinion by only allowing videos that don't contain criticisms of their games or systems. Honestly, I like Nintendo & have bought Nintendo games based on Let's Play footage, since it's the most accurate way to review a game & I do this with all of my purchases which has allowed me to broaden my library... But this is bizarre, they're doing a job, they own the equipment & they own the edited footage. Now if it was just a playthrough of a game with no commentary & no editing then I could understand it. Also, pack it in saying it's not a "real job", you're insinuating that any work that anybody can enjoy isn't considered "real work".
Lets walk away from You Tube while we are at it.
I will never understand why in hell would people waste hours seing a lets play video, instead of actually playing the game, I understand watching people who make comedy over games, like pewdiepie or vanossgaming, i also understand watching reviews of games or previews to get info on games you dont have the possibility to play yet, but watching someone play the whole game, instead of playing it yourself I simply dont understand. Plus i dont understand what all the fuss is about, dont you have to pay to use the rights to musics and movies? Why would videogames be any different? I mean, if you were using someones music, or movies isnt that also promoting their stuff? But they will still put your videos down for it, its been the case with alot of youtube stars.
Not everyone is able to buy and play the game. I used to watch whole game playthroughs during the majority of the PS3 life cycle cause I'm a student and I was broke, like hella broke. Saving up for a console and buying games for 60$ wasn't a reality for me but I didn't want to completely miss out on games with amazing stories. So watching someone else play them was the only option. Not everyone has the money for it.
Well in that case i guess i can agree with you, but arent playtroughs normally plagued by the people playing them commenting the game, and giving their own opinions and talking during the whole time? Is it really that fun to watch the game that way? Isnt it kinda like going to a cinema and having someone chat to you during the whole movie? If the lets play videos arent like that, then i guess it can be watchable if theres really no other option.
I agree on that but there are usually no-commentary playthroughs as well. Though funnily enough, those playthroughs I watched only made me want to play the game even more, cause I remember getting really frustrated with the way others played the game, missing some key elements and etc. You'd be surprised how much someone who makes a living of playing games can suck at games.
It does seem weird. But a buddy of mine almost never plays games, but is more than happy to watch other people play IRL or on Twitch. If you abstract watching someone play a game to the level of 'it's just entertainment', then there's no difference between watching a TV Show and watching a Play Through. The commentary is an additive thing, not subtractive - people get attached to their favourite broadcasters / actors which is why they come back.
For me i watch because i want to experience the game without paying for it or because i already own it and i am genuinely interested in the commentary.