MCV: CEO of SCEA Jack Tretton talks up PS3's power as he shoots down this week's big rumour
obviously i mean have you ever seen an oven run a video game
LMAO Sony owns so hard. stop begging for MGOTYS4 stupid xbugs you will never touch a AAAA game like MGOTYS4 only possible on PS3. xbug 3rd60 couldnt handle more then 3 soldiers on screen without overheating and exploding in the xbugs ugly faces hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa.
LOL, you guys are so funny, you just speak the truth and have so much logic my pants iron themselves, awesome. How do I become as cool and consistent as you guys?
hahaha this guy was crying in the forums today http://forums.n4g.com/m_112...
You got a problem with me?? I challenge you to a rock off on PSN! Choose you poison, Rock Band or Guitar hero, any song on expert, let's settle this like the geeks we are! You little fake account bubble booster you! @atbubbleboosterboy below That's all you got? man your pathetic, if your trolling skills are as good as your Guitar hero/Rock band skills I have nothing to worry about. But it won't happen, you are not real anyways and would never have the balls to accept a gamer challenge from anyone here on N4G.
it was based from the ground to be a ps3 game and uses blue ray tech, FF13 also is similar but they didnt focus so much on the ps3 engine since FF13 was built on the white engine and white engine is a racist engine that suppose to support the 360! so it was very possible that FF13 to go to 360 and i even say FF VS 13 might go to 360 if sony doesnt secure it for their console!
Are you mentally challenged? You consistently type incoherent mindless babble that betrays an unbelievable lack of intelligence. You are being ignored by 120 people. Keep trying for more fanboy. Another point. PS3 has one good game. Wow. It may end up on Xbox it may not. Who cares either way? No one but you it seems.
Of course the Sony guy says it's not possible. It is possible, just not on one disc.
Its locked in black and white agreement/ contract. This game is PS3 EXCLUSIVE. Shiatas bots. Bioshock now PS3 game. Oblivion now PS3 game. Kane and lynch now PS3. Left 4 dead now PS43 game. Eternal Sonata now PS3 game! IM AWAITING MASS EFFECT TO BE ANNOUNCED FOR THE PS3!
The 360 is more powerfull in gaming periode. The 360 just needs blu ray or a 500gb HD. MSG4 would be awesome on 360 with new content also.
hideo kojima is a big sony fanboy hahaha he doesnt like you microsoft deal with it
without cell and blu ray the xbox 360 is basically a next gen frying pan
oh i almost forgot the xbox 360 doesnt have a hard disk so it would only be able to run the credits of the game
why do you consistantly post x times in a row in every article? Are you just stupid?
after the disastrous microsoft show yesterday i doubt konami would be interested in partnering with a failure http://img294.imageshack.us...
It only makes sence that just like FF MGS WILL come to the 360. It's $$$$$$$ fan boys and thats it. Hey, I bought it for the PS3 because I hve each system but you can wish in one hand and c.rap in the other and see what one fills up first.
@ Lawman "Being North America is the largest market in the world" WRONG. Europe is and by a long way. I had the link to this somewhere, must find it.
That is like saying you couldn't put Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PC. The newer PCs and graphics cards blow away any console as far as specs and power are concerned. And they don't have a Blu-ray drive as standard. All they would have to port Metal Gear solid 4 to the 360 and/or PC is put in on multiple disks. Blu-ray is nothing but a storage medium.
What are you talking about. All he said is MGS4 is a game only possible on PS3 partly because of blu ray. He didn't go into spec details all he was saying is blu ray helped make MGS4 possible which is in fact true
“Metal Gear Solid is not only exclusive on PS3 – it’s only possible on PS3, thanks in part to Blu-Ray.“ He added: "PS3 drove the Blu-Ray format to victory and now the Blu-Ray format is poised to return the favour.” Any PS3 game could be made on the 360. Same as any 360 game could be made on the PS3. All of this 'supposed power' that anybody spouts is nothing more than PR BS. Sure certain things would have to be accomodated to suit the hardware because the architecture is different, but that is a given. Take Final Fantasy 13 as an example.
I don't think he said it in response to the rumors or as an attack on Xbox. I think he said it because it's part of the PS3 talking points and rhetoric. and FF13's engine was built to be multi-platform so null point.
Yes offcourse its PR BS. Msoft does it, sony does it and you will even here nintendo say a game is only possible on the wii due to wii mote. Its just twisted PR speech. Some games can't be done on other consoles though...like MAG :D
I'm sure you can call BS on Tretton, but PR Bull derives mostly from MS reps these days. PR Bull is in every company though, so what's the point in getting all worked up?
Gran Turismo 5 possible on the 360? LMAO
This will never go to 360.. Within the game.. there was part of the game promoting blu-ray and made fun xbox dvd9.... well, they could change that part to Snake's switching disk.. becoz you're using outdated storage media... :)
Resident Evil 5 looks better than MGS4 - and it is cross platform. So don't tell me that it is not possible on the 360. You just might have to use 3 disks because of all the cut scenes. But then again, changing discs is not that big a deal since you only do it once or twice total. So who cares?
and while you're here Bloodmask, can you explain something to me that struck me in your profile: "I have a great disdain towards Sony fanboys. I do not understand their bizarre emotional attachment to their console. I will try to be a positive influence to N4G." Why do you have "great disdain" towards PS3 fanboys, but not X-box 360 fanboys who also have a bizzare emotional attach to their console?
and I am not saying that MGS4 is ever going to the 360 becuase I think it isn't. All I am saying is that any game for either console could be made on the other one because they are relatively equal in power. I just find this PR BS amusing is all. @Donator above. My disdain stems from the fact that I submit a lot of news to N4G. And the censorship has run rampant on this site.
because the white engine was made to run in both systems thanks to the crystal tools http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... "In the latest GDC conference it was confirmed that Crystal Tools is focused to work with PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Microsoft Windows and the Wii." but MGS4 was made using tools that works on the cell, it's not a multiplat tool, besides the use of the BD.
weird , I was expecting a Sony PR to say the opposite , especaily 24 hours after loosing their biggest exclusive (FF13). *sarcasm*. I bet MSFT would have then somthing similar for Gears 2 or whatever game.Typical PR stuff , tahst all.
They could optimize the engine for any console. Do you think that Bioshock was designed with the Cell in mind? Probably not. Yet they are porting Bioshock to the PS3. Your argument makes no sense. Any game can be made to run on either console. Once again it is just PR BS. @iamtehpwn below your argument makes no sense either. If MGS4 could be made for PC it could be made for 360 also. They have the exact same architecture pretty much.
Of course, but probably not on 360. But this engine is built exclusively for Ps3 and Cell. It wouldn't be a "Port", it would be a rewrite of the engine.
Look at GTA IV 360 and its lousy draw distance/pop-in. There are definitely processing power differences in the 2 machines. Eventually the 360 is going to be to gimp in various ways not just a lack of blu ray. Look at the ocean that goes on forever in Uncharted, Glorious horizons. MAG 256 players on one battlefield.... Why does everything have to be gimped for the 360? FF13 is enough for crying out loud. Sure, FFVII was on multiple discs as FFVIII and FFIX were. Yet this is 2 generations later...
starting a flame war. There hasn't been a single game this generation that is so far technologically superior it couldn't be achieved on either the PS3 or 360! The only limiting factor for MGS4 on the 360 is disc space...easily solved by using multiple disks. Multiple disks would really suck for this game but, it would be the only way =)
There is really only one way to find out and I honestly don't see that happening so arguing about it is pointless. If you want the game buy a PS3. What's the problem? Same with a 360 exclusive.
Lol have you even played the game or any MGS games. the disc swapping joke is in reference to the original metal gears on PS1. ignorant people make ignorant statements and then put the gay ":)" as if to say. "Haha i'm really smart aren't i." lol what a joke.
TONE people! the tone of voice in which someone says something is critical, and capturing that in writing is no easy task, as it can be easily interprated differently by readers.From reading that article, it would seem that Tretton was boasting and bragging about PS3's capabilites in an arrogant manner, when actualy if you watched E3 live like myself, you would have seen that his statement was not boastful and was simply talking about various points on mgs.
Look at it this way say FF14 fully uses 3 BD's. Your going to need around 15 dvds to have the same game on 360. No joke. These are the early PS3 games were talking about. They don't get smaller as we go on... It would have been nice if FF13 spanned 2 or 3 BD's no chance of that now though.
hehe its funny how you bring the PC card into the picture so quickly to bash the ps3......... Yet most of you xbox fanboys avoid the idea that many of the xbox games find their onto the pc platform yet are in denial that it is not exclusive. Btw this is including yourself.
He meant that it would take MORE than just proting it, but also TRYING to fit them on DVD9s. So they will probably take 6 disc for 360. And they have to edit some stuff out and also, they'd have to go back and change some of the gameplay. Such as the MkII, they would have to put a 360 controller instead of a PS3 controller.
The only thing that make it impossible for the time being is the fact that sony got a timed (1 year) exclusive for MGS4. If you compress the sound and cut sences you could probably fit mgs4 on 1 maybe 2 dvds. The sound is a complete waste any ways as only about 1% of the people have a HD surround sound system in their homes. Even if it took 4-5 disc that not a big deal if you made a list of the greatest games of all time. Probably half of them be multi disc game. How many disc did FF7 have ? how about MGS1 ? or Panzer Dragoon Saga ? and no one cared cause they were all great games.
FF13 was built with the PC as the lead platform so it's possible to port a version to the 360 but MGS4 was built with the PS3 directly in mind just like how Versus 13 is.
300 million is an exaggerated #, even so Blockbuster Movies have had similar budgets and games will too someday. Usually an RPG once an engine is built and assets are created it would not take to long to fill up discs with content and CG intro's , Endings and everything inbetween gameplay that furthers the story line. Especially since Squeenix has studios that can make even MGS4 cut scenes look short and less detailed. ie. Spirits within , Advent children. Every FF game thats released on a sony platform has high quality CG. The cost of creating a next-gen game keeps going up. MGS4 was reported to cost around $50 million thats about 1 BD of content so you could easily fill 3 for $150 million. So I think 300 mill is an exaggeration.
it's not impossible on the 360 lol.. it'll probably be hard but it defo is possible.. hell it's even possible on the N64 or w/e.. it just might mean quality loss and less stuff on the screen..
I think your fighting a losing battle here. The Sony fanboys are a bit frenzied this week. Funny how when a MS representativ attacks the PS3 its not ok.
I think you're forgetting that XBOX 360 titles hardly ever reach 720p while PlayStation 3 games go up to 1080p at 60fps. This is why I think Wardevil: Unleash the Beast Within and Heavy Rain: The Origami Killer went exclusive. The visuals alone can be higher on the PlayStation 3 than XBOX 360. So with games like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots XBOX 360 can't do so much at once. They only have 3 symmetrical cores and PlayStation 3 has 6 synergistic processing units for developers to work with. Anything that is on the XBOX 360 can be doubled on the PlayStation 3 due to 3 more SPEs compared to the XBOX 360. Depending on what type of game and what's going on it will most likely not be possible on the XBOX 360. Anything on the PlayStation 3 can be on the PC but would need a lot of streaming (installing) and redo of the coding. In the end any game can be ported over it's just the experience that can be different with each. Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PlayStation 2 can be done with a lot less action, enemies, textures, space etc.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not saying MGS4 will eventually come to the 360, but whether it does or not will have NOTHING to do with the fact that the PS3 version is on Blueray discs. The discs are just a medium. Thats like putting a game on DVD vs CD. This guy uses the excuse that because it was originally on a BR-Disc that it can now no longer be played on any other medium. Well thats obviously false. There is no reason this game cannot be played on any other hardware. Konami made the game, they can do whatever they want with it. Konami is no different then Square-Enix. They are both 3rd party developers that make games for money. If they see money in making it run on a 360 they will. The guy, CEO of SCEA Jack Tretton, is shooting hot air. If Konami keeps the game on the PS3, it is for reasons other then the discs it was on.
These fanboys keep talking about Sony's lies... They did it!!! MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted, Resistance 2, GT5. The lies have become reality 1 1/2 years into the life of the console. More hot games to come. Nothing in 360's whole history comes close, and it has nothing on the horizon. And the best is yet to come(God of War). Ms has yet to beat it's first year game which had horrible draw distances and only three enemies on screen at once.
No surprise there,im pretty sure the CEO of the company know's more about the computing power of the console then some "journalist" who wrights rumors for a living.
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Lol this guys just digging himself a bigger hole. When it does eventually come out on the Xbox 360 hes gonna have to eat his words.
You are missing the point. MGS4 is only possible on the PS3 due to blu ray. If not for blu ray it would have probably been a different game becuase kojima won't have added every cut scene on the face of the earth:D The point here though was sony hyping up blu ray and even kojima will tell you MGS4 is only possible on PS3 due to blu ray.
why does it matter to you? you have it already =P Edit: to the dissagrees, belief it or not he has a ps3 and has the game hes just a duche (we love you socomnick dont ever change :])
I doesnt matter to me. Im just saying this guys digging a hole for himself. Also sonarus multiple disks and compression using those two things MGS 4 might fit in 2 or 3 dvds with no installations. I really dont see the problem with multiple disks you get up and pop it in takes 2 seconds.
1st of all, kojima made it clear that he did not compress any data for the game to keep everything high quality. So 360 automatically gets crappy port if you compress. Game is at least 33GB. 360 DVD 9 holds 7GB of actual data. Do the math that is like 5discs at least. Nothing wrong with multi discs though. But the point to be made here is MGS4 as it exist today in its one disc form with mega installations and all that is only possible on PS3. END OF STORY Its a PR spin thats all it is but its not false information
Who claimed so confidently that they where going to outsell the Ps3 this generation, that's a pretty huge hole he dug himself. On a side note, what I was angered at yesterday during Microsofts conference was how they had all these stats about how thier beating the PS3 or how thier beating the Wii, where as both nintendo and Sony, simply stated thier numbers and didnt compare it to others or brag about beating others in one section.
Im not 100 percent on this but I though compression did not diminish the quality of games. I though it only made it so it took longer to load. Cod 4 and pretty much every multiplatform game is compressed on the Xbox 360 and it loads faster and looks identical if not better than the ps3 version. The only difference between a ps3 version of mgs 4 and a xbox 360 version would be that. Ps3 version- 1 blueray 10 minute install + 3 minute installs in between chapters. Xbox 360 version- 2-5 dvds no installs Maybe additional content as an incentive to get people to purchase it. It will happen eventually. :/
Oh i see compression doesn't diminish quality. I guess kojima decided not to compress just because he didn't have to. He just loved taking space. Offcourse compression reduces quality
7-8 min. first install. 2 min. between chapters - GOOD time to REST for eyes. No HDD install -> here what you get then - http://youtube.com/watch?v=... textures get loaded after 30 sec. DVD speed is NOT enough for HIGH profile games. Moreover, x360 games use only 7GB of disc space, rest is used for security data. Now, Japanese MGS4 version i know that use about 47GB of data. + have in mind, that you will need to dublicate data, like textures, music and etc. so in best case 6GB of new data on each disc = 8 DVDs, with additional content = 10 DVDs. Unless game will be downgraded, then maybe it will take less space.
@Crazy Won't need duplicate data on DVD9 as the drive speeds are fast enough to do it without. That's a limitation of Bluray.
@Spydr07, Have you watched the video????? http://youtube.com/watch?v=... p.s. So, how you are going to listen to a music from disc 1 on disc 2 or disc 3? You will have to dublicate all textures/music and other stuff for EVERY disc. Do you understand that?
Touche. Sorry, long day. Forgot to think about the obvious. Lol
MGS4 doesn't duplicate data as evident with the installs. As far as i know, very very few games use data duplication technique
Basically MGS4 is possible on the 360, but it will not look as good as it does on the PS3. MGS4 also has got HD Audio 5.1 surround which would be downsampled for 360. If the game is 33GB on PS3 and they kept everything exactly the same it would be ATLEAST 5 DVDs (because of MS' 7.5GB size limit on the DVD9). Then on top of that they would have to duplicate all major files on each disc (unless they install these on to the HDD), e.g. textures, music, sfx, menus (ingame and main menu), logo movies at the start. Meaning the game would possibly go over 6 DVDs. Because of this they would HAVE to lower the quality of the game cos MGS4 is only 5 acts, how would that fit on 6 DVDs? Square Enix have not thought FF13's move to 360 out, I think they will realise that they will have to compromise A LOT for the game to work on the 360. This will either mean both the PS3 and 360 versions of the game will get gimped, or the PS3 version will look a lot better (cos they are developing that version first and haven't even started on the 360 version).
they could put one chapter on each disc. That would total 5 discs. Get done with a chapter, get up and put in a new disc. That would work...wouldn't it?
so be your logic I.D's decision with it's tech 5 to compress textures from 1000's gigs of texture information down to something that would fit into ram also lowers quality then.
He also said: "because the 360 blows, it sucks. Microsoft sucks. That's it. Forget about it, 360 owners, if you wanna play as Snake, buy a damn PS3."