Angry Joe is boycotting all Nintendo games, along with many other famed YouTubers like Pewdiepie. But why are so many famous gamers running from Nintendo?
Well, one of the reasons is that they've been spoiled by other companies already. Other companies know the potential of Youtube and act friendly. Minecraft and Flappy Bird are prime examples of what Youtube can do. Youtube let's players made those games popular; they have increased the sales of other video games by playing them and recommending it to the millions of fans. Nintendo is stupid if they think they can take money from the Youtubers' work after the Youtubers themselves already gave them money for the games. I think Total Biscuit nailed it. ''My concern, of course, is if they start applying this to review content. Then, frankly, that is a corporate shakedown. You can’t do that. You can’t say, ‘Oh, you want to review our game? We’re going to take some money for that.'' This is just greedy! It's not enough for them with the Amiibo novelty, the Wii that printed more money than a money printer, the 3DS, and the money they get from their so-forgiving fanbase.
During his rant, Angry Joe has a really cynical but funny discussion where he's like "Maybe I should just pay Nintendo for recommending this game to my friend at all." It's so dumb. It's also sad that Nintendo so frequently gets a pass on this type of behaviour just because they're so loved.
So much complaining and moaning about this topic around the web rivht now, yet everyone is somehow"giving them a pass"right now lol.
who even cares about the stupid rantings of one random clown on Youtube, that bitch#$ and moans about everything for views???? that's his gimmick and that's pretty much all he is... a gimmick..
Nintendo isn't getting a pass "right now," but they have been given a pass many times for what any other company would be lambasted for.
Joe made a good point. When he says "why does Nintendo get away with this?" Meanwhile everyone else hates EA we throw rocks at them all the time. The reason why is because we all feel sorry for Nintendo. Hell we been feeling sorry for them since the gamecube. Third party doesn't wanna support their network, third party doesn't wanna support the console, third party doesn't want to buissness with them. EA will never do business with them. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Heres hoping the NX console is the right console the devs as well as the general consumer. Point is Nintendo did this to themselves. I'm astonished their 1st party sells just as much as first party. Considering it kinda needs to because its all they have right now. We need to quit feeling sorry for Nintendo and give them a proper push and quit apologizing. I truly believe Nintendo can get with the times but still be unique at the same time. Like I said how long are we gonna feel sorry for Nintendo? we bash EA to straighten up we bashed Sony back then to straiten up and we bashed MS just few short years ago to straiten up. I think Nintendo needs some bashing now.
Who really cares?
I do I like seeing entertaining people play and share their experiences. YouTube is a big deal and scaring away people really enjoying the Wii U from sharing their thoughts IMO is bad business.
The effects of this will allow other companies to decide on new paths or remain with their current business plans. The reason why the situation is receiving so much heat is due to the level of change it could induce.
Why Nintendo is doing what they are doing? Because they don't want their "family friendly" IPs associated with foul-mouthed gamers.
how do u figure? Hes a reviewer. What happens when every company wants reviewers to pay them for the honor of reviewing their product lol... Reviewers spread the word about your games. They are free advertising. What nintendo is doing is biting the hand that feeds them.
Free advertising... Right. Because Nintendo doesn't have some of the most recognized IP and characters in the history of interactive entertainment, and are in desperate need for "free advertisement"
@dudebro Last I checked a new attempt by Nintendo is being done with Splatoon and it really could use a thing like YouTube. If it is creative and fun, YouTube is the best place to show it off and who better to do that than gamers that entertain? Mario may not need YouTube but if Nintendo wants new IPs to lift off the ground it is in their best interest to embrace something like YouTube. Also just my opinion, the Wii U could use the advertising because Nintendo can't advertise the damn thing right
Except the games aren't really being reviewed, are they? This is more about Youtube personalities having content for their channels. Talking over and reacting to games. Indy games like Slenderman which streamers made popular, and AAA productions such as Mario cart whose popularity streamers had little to nothing to with.
@dudebro, Absolutely bro. You totally get it. That's why all the big name brands don't advertise anymore. I mean when was the last time you saw advertisement for Taco Bell or Buger King? How about Walmart? Toyota? That's right, all the big dogs know what's up and what a total waste of money it is to advertise when you are well known. /s /s /s /s
I don't subscribe to the argument that Nintendo has pure intentions with regards to this. They want more money and are trying to get creative, like with the DeNA deal. I stopped buying Nintendo products 5 years ago because their games lost their appeal to me. Also, I know I'm alone on this, but the 25th anniversary re-release of super mario all stars really rubbed me the wrong way.
Moreover, the assumption that they don't want games going to "foul-mouthed people" implies that Nintendo is a moralistic company who only wishes to sell to specific groups of people. Which is certainly not true. They have no way of knowing how "foul-mouthed" any of their customers are, and at what point is that even a concern for a business?
Regardless of what language their customers use, they want a specific image so that parents continue to buy every Pokemon and Mario game for their kids on their new 3DS or whatever other device they use.
@Christopher: How many parents watch Angry Joe?
How does Bayonetta or Assassin's Creed or Batman or Devil's Third or Fist of the North Star or Fatal Frame or Deus Ex or Ninja Gaiden or Resident Evil or Yakuza or Watch_Dogs or ZombiU fit into that image?
this is what i said before. angry joe is over the top and his language is mature to say the least. regardless of angry joe's public image, nintendo are the one's who will get bad press over this. pewdipie is another youtuber that generates even more people whom i can't stand but his popularity speaks for itself. i doubt nintendo wants to be associated with either of them but it's still good adevrtising. nintendo is doing itself no favors over this but they seem to care more about their public image than reaching out to more customers. the irony is their public image is getting lower because of the hard stance they are taking with revenue sharing and trying to force them to sign up to nintendo channels.
This argument was used already and is very poor, bordering on petty. Joe is called Angry Joe because he doesn't hold back any punches when he reviews bad games. But have you seen him review a game he likes? https://www.youtube.com/wat... Where's the "angry" and "foul mouth" in that? Yes, let's be prejudiced to someone because they don't let corporations get away with B.S. and then use that prejudiced to just gloss over and grant a pass to terrible business practices.
I watch a good number of Angry Joe videos. It's rare that he doesn't curse in some way during them. Especially when he's playing with others. Example: Helldivers and Bloodborne recent gameplay videos. This wasn't about him being "Angry" it was about him using words we don't allow posted to N4G. He uses the F word plenty of times outside of his "Angry" review videos and whatnot.
I must have misunderstood because it seemed as though you said that Nintendo wouldn't want someone like Joe reviewing his games because of his personality. That is what you said right? I did just show you a video of a game that Joe LOVED containing no anger afterwards. Helldivers and Bloodborne videos were done on Twitch, then uploaded to youtube. Different situation. Joe uses Youtube for reviews mostly, and Twitch for gameplays. Sure he'll upload SOME gameplay videos to his youtube channel, but not the majority of them.
***That is what you said right? *** No, the foul mouth comment was in relationship to his use of foul language. Meaning, cursing. He can still be angry without cursing. He can still play games and show it without cursing. ***Helldivers and Bloodborne videos were done on Twitch, then uploaded to youtube. Different situation.*** I don't see how it is... It's still content of him playing a game and using curse words of various sorts during the gameplay. If they stayed on Twitch, perhaps that would make sense, but I watched all of that on YouTube, not Twitch.
@Chris: Yeah, he can, but he doesn't and doesn't have to. Nintendo isn't keeping things away from just him and his personality has nothing to do with it. That's a reaching argument. Also, like I just said, he doesn't post even half of his gameplay videos on Youtube. In fact I'd bet money you won't see another Bloodborne playthrough on his youtube channel at all. He places SOME playthroughs from his twitch channel on youtube, not even close to the majority. His youtube channel is primarily his reviews, updates, and opinion videos. Playthroughs are a drop in the ocean.
"Why?" Nintendo is a mafia organisation. They're coming to collect their cut or you get Epona head in your bed.
Dont make them send some pokemon (Drifloon and the like)
Because Nintendo is the only company that wants a part of the creator's salary.
these creator are using Nintendo work to get money, Nintendo is 100 percent in the right to not let people make money off of their work. people having a different opinion about it is another matter.
Say what you will, but almost nobody agree with you.
I don't need to be agreeable to be right.
The entertainment industry as a whole works like this! The video game industry is just behind the times. Think of YouTube personalities as radio stations, now radio stations need content to play in order to reel in listeners, in order to book ad spots for the station. It's one big circle of pie, but in no way shape or form do they get access to music for free! So why are people defending the fact that there are big YouTube personalities that make way too much money for discussing or playing content that they didn't create?
Nice analogy man. Really works out. I listen to a popular radio morning show, and whenever they discuss any current topics they always have to pay money to do so. I mean seriously, how can they discuss football games without paying the NFL for the right to talk about the teams, players and plays that took place during certain games? All joking aside, radio shows also have this revolutionary bit where they play advertisements for various companies, and in this crazy opposite world those companies actually pay the broadcaster to play their advertisements! I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. YouTube personalities give these companies FREE exposure. In return yes, it gives them content, for which they get paid depending on how large an audience they draw in. It takes more than simply playing games to bring in hundreds of thousands of viewers. You have to be interesting. It's a win win for everyone; Nintendo/whoever gets free exposure, youtubers get compensated for their work from other adverts, and gamers get to watch their favorite personalities play games, and in many cases get motivated to buy the game if it looks like it floats their boat. Everyone wins. That's why nearly every other game company embraces it. Nintendo is out of touch and trying to be greedy, which will only damage their relationship with gamers and prominent YouTube personalities, as well as hurt them financially.
Because they ar people who think they somehow have power and can dictate how a company runs, even though they are nothing more than a spoiled brat. The fact Joe pulled his video because he can't make money shows he's not into this for the love of the game, which means I don't give a one crap about his opinion. Anyone who boy its Nintendo because they can't make money, is someone who shouldn't be reviewing games. Edit @chrisfox That's not true. It was not a copyright strike, it was Content I'd claim (which Nintendo doesn't even dictate btw, googles automated bots do it) He could leave that video up forever and he would never have any strikes on his account. Plus its his own fault they get the advertising credit. He knew and has admitted he knew it would he flagged, and he never should of allowed the video to have advertising to begin with, something content providers have complete control of.
If he left that video up, not only would Nintendo continue pulling ad revenue from it - something he clearly disagrees with, and why would he let them continue to profit off of his creation? - but it would be left as a strike on his account, putting his entire online career on YouTube at risk. He needed to get rid of it for the sake of his livelihood.
Nintendo, are Wii U is doing bad but thats ok. We make up for it by screwing are YouTube fans.
If they were fans, wouldn't they be buying the games and therefore have no use for YouTube videos? I dunno. I don't really care one way or another, but I definitely see some hypocrisy in people who make money off of the work of others (youtube game streamers) and think that most people already know more than enough about Mario Kart and similar extremely well known IPs from Nintendo that they don't need to watch some person play it while making jokes and what-not.
Didn't see Angry Joes video uh? He said he went out, brought a Wii U, controllers and games. An the video was of him and friends enjoying it. You got to be pretty dumb to think this bs is ok, its nothing but Nintendo trying to stay around and not end up like Sega.
People watch YouTube to see entertainment; owning or not owning a game is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to watching videos. It could spark or deter interest but to think people won't watch a YouTube Let's Play (e.g) because they played the game is crazy, I have watched KH, Souls and Skyrim let's plays to here from other fans and here their reactions to certain parts. It is called sharing gaming experiences and it may even be better when you have your own to go with the video.
Don't see what him buying a console has anything to do with Nintendo's IP. People watch YouTube to see entertainment. But, they get that same entertainment whether he's playing a Nintendo game or another one, apparently, since it doesn't matter? I've watched a ton of gaming streams. Mostly from people who make zero money off of them. A person who makes money off of the IP of others and has a ton of other avenues to make said revenue really shouldn't get that up in arms over the protection of said IP. It's part of business. Move on, make money. This reminds me of Sessler and others complaining that they weren't getting free PS4s to play early enough and could only review the console from the Sony events that they were invited to and had their airfare/lodging paid to attend. It's your job to review. You may not like it, but do your job, don't whine like a baby to the consumers. Go to the people in charge, Nintendo. If I have an issue with a company, I don't drag the Internet into it. I go straight to the source.
@Christopher "If they were fans, wouldn't they be buying the games and therefore have no use for YouTube videos" if they are fans of the wii u it doesn't mean you have to buy a wii u game they might or might not know about.People use YouTube for reviews. lets say Mario party 11 came out and got a 5/10. Most people would look for others reviews to see if it's worth buying. Just cause your a fan doesnt mean that your going to be buying every Nintendo game.
Edit: Sorry, meant to reply to @22CobraKing here *sighs* --- ***People use YouTube for reviews.*** But he wasn't reviewing the game and videos of reviews haven't been removed from YouTube. Even then, I just did a Google search, clicked "videos" tab and there are a ton of gameplay videos of the game up on YouTube. This is an issue specific to Angry Joe. This is an issue Angry Joe needs to address with Nintendo. His video showing anger at them is just drumming up social furor when there's obviously a reason why his video was removed and hundreds of others were not.
Because, like Nintendo, they see this industry as a business and want to make as much money out of it as they possibly can.
Well Roosterteeth boycotting it is enough for me to stand behind it.
Meh I hate Angryjoe, but Nintendos stance on this issue is pretty idiotic. First things first, if I spend 50 dollars or however much they charge for a brand new Wiiu game, I have the right to do whatever I want with it outside of burning the disc and reselling pirated copies. This idea that on top of me spending 50 dollars on the game and 300 bucks for the system,I must give Nintendo a percentage for giving them free marketing is bullcrap. In what way does that make sense? I used to love Nintendo, but crap like this is why I simply either don't buy their products anymore or criticize them ever chance I get. Iwata simply needs to be fired. He and many of the people in Japan that run Nintendo are delusional.
Youtubers shouldn't be fiercely against Nintendo taking a cut of their videos, they should be against how restrictive their policies are for putting out approved content. Every video has to be approved and if you want the 70% over the 60%, your whole channel has to be only Nintendo games. And if the game isn't on the whitelist then no deal as well. There's a reason no one is making a commotion about Twitch or YT taking a cut of their videos. They've provided the platform and let them create whatever content they please that's within legal bounds. So not only is Nintendo taking a cut on top of a cut, but the content creators can't even create the content they want to create. Not to mention Nintendo has as much or more ownership of your videos as you do, they can reproduce and use it practically at will. What Angry Joe did was no accident. He knew he had to get a video approved before being published and it had to be a certain game. He needed to get a video restricted from revenue for not being approved for content and choice of game. I don't think it was a nefarious ploy, rather it hits the two biggest issues I have with Nintendo'd policy. Until harsh responses are given to Nintendo's policy to where they back down and re-strategize there won't be compromise. The big time content creators will need to work together to get a fair deal. When the time comes they will need a fair compromise to offer to Nintendo, their message needs to be clear and strong. I respect Nintendo decision to take a cut, but I don't respect how they are bullying the creators into an unfavorable position.
It's Nintendo stuff they can do whatever they want with it, if these youtubers want to make whatever content they want they can do it for free. Nintendo has decided if your going to use their work for commercial use they get to have control.
So you're ok with Nintendo's 3 day video approval period on all Nintendo related videos? Whats stopping them from deleting all negative vids and only approving positive ones? This is the biggest issue here, not the money. Could you imagine during the BF4 launch disaster if EA had control over all BF4 related videos and they decided to delete all of the negative videos?? It would be a PR nightmare. If that day were to ever come then I better see you condemning that practice.
I'm fine with that because its again being used as commercial use not fair use, if these youtubers want fair use they are going to have to do it for free.
Of course they are free to do what they want. Any company is free to fail, free to anger their consumers and those giving them free exposure. It's definitely not a good business move by any means, but they are free to do so. And we are free to voice our frustrations and let them know that the reaction to their backwards policies is negative.
I agree this is a bit backwards and I wish Reggie would talk some sense into Iwata and Nintendo of Japan... But to those who are saying Nintendo gets passes for a lot of shit... it is the exact opposite. They can't do anything without a strong criticism from a certain group of gamers. Some of it is warranted, yes, but not every single thing. If anybody gets passes too much, it's Sony circa 2011. The company that gets shit on or passed over fluctuates way too damn much.
pewdiepie does he even play Nintendo games? AngryJoe is important?
Angry Joe army will come and get you
I don't agree with Nintendo's policies, but I kinda do wonder, did any of them even play Nintendo games in the first place, like even before all this stuff happened?
Once again, for anyone who doesn't understand content creation, royalties and copy rights reserved. Go read up on it, because this isn't anything new to the movie or music industry... We aren't talking about fans that went out and purchased games and systems and just want to share their experiences in a live stream, like people do on twitch. As soon as you bring money making into the equation, that changes things drastically.
AJ. Little boy response in a 30-something year old body. Brilliant.
reviews should be ok.. but i can kind of understand if it were to be about play throughs. i would buy a game if i watch a story driven game from begining to end. off topic, i dont watch angry joe or pewdiepie.. kids seem to like pewdiepie... for me Lord Karnage of Classic Game Room is the best game reviewer on youtube..
im simply boycotting nintendo games because they dont have a sense of danger and next level 3D immersiveness that attracted the hardcore in the N64 days. catsuits? thats the big new thing? if the graphics in the new mario game for nintendo's next system dont at least look close to this quality: http://i.imgur.com/zRBolpA.... http://www.superluigibros.c... and they keep phoning it in with kiddy kitty krap that your step-mom can pick and play then they can forget about us having any interest in the NX
im simply boycotting nintendo games because they dont have a sense of danger and next level 3D immersiveness that attracted the hardcore in the N64 days. catsuits? thats the big new thing? if the graphics in the new mario game for nintendo's next system dont at least look close to this quality: http://i.imgur.com/zRBolpA.... http://www.superluigibros.c... and they keep phoning it in with kiddy kitty krap that your step-mom can pick up and play then they can forget about this guy picking up an NX.
Im simply boycotting nintendo games because they dont have a sense of danger and next level 3D immersiveness that attracted the hardcore crowd in the N64 days. catsuits? thats the big new thing? if the graphics and presentation in the new Mario game for nintendo's next system dont at least look close to this quality: http://i.imgur.com/zRBolpA.... http://www.superluigibros.c... and they keep phoning it in with kiddy kitty krap that your step-mom can pick up and play then they can forget about the hardcore gamers that grew up with nintendo giving 2 shits about the "NX"
its obvious why they can't get paid to upload gameplay
Nintendo is going to start charging N4G every time there is a article posted about Nintendo.
A lot of gamers are like me and have "outgrown" nintendo. I owned every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. I just see no reason to buy one. Maybe I'll think about their next console if it has a way to let me come back to play all 2 of the Wii U games I'll care about.
Nintendo has a right to pull content or want a cut from these youtubers who make money off of their products. Nintendo has that right...does it make it right? No, not really, especially when you see other big companies not making a fuss and allowing these guys to use their content. So it really does make Nintendo look like the bad guy and appear very out of touch with today's video game culture. That being said, these youtube reviews should do just what is being suggested and done. Boycott Nintendo reviews, recommendations and all other media exposure for their games. In my opinion Nintendo needs all the help they can get. So far they have some of the highest rated exclusives, and some very fun upcoming games. Anything about the WiiU and that would include word of mouth about their games from gamers such as Angry Joe would be a good publicity.
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