Dev: ID@Xbox Has Been Great, There Are Problems On Sony and MS' Side

Hyper Light Drifter's Alex Preston praises ID@Xbox, while acknowledging that there are issues on Sony's side as well.

[Festano]

Great to hear about ID@Xbox praise! Microsoft has improved a lot.

[3-4-5]

Water always finds it's level.

I think people are finally starting to see the full picture of all 3 consoles, both good and bad.

It's more good all around than anything.

[Mostafeto]

It's all for the better sake of gaming and delivering a joyful and entertaining gaming experience to each respective console owner.

[Palitera]

Even for people that only have one platform, it is good if the other platform is doing indies well:

It means the devs won't have to spend more time and resources than needed to develop for it and, hopefully, it might mean more time and resources to port it over to the other platforms.

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To Alexious, below, "bias" is something everybody always had and always will have, not only fanboys.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Is the headline bias?
The developer is talking about how things have changed for the better for indies when dealing with both Sony and Microsoft. But if there is a complaint it is about Microsoft's parity clause. The fact that this amateur writer on World Factory twisted it to be an attack on Sony is an indictment of his own professionalism.

[ccgr]

hmm curious how this will pan out

[Imp0ssibl3]

Nice to see a more balanced view on this topic. It's always "Sony is perfect, Microsoft's the bad guy", but things are rarely that black and white.

[Alexious]

I think only fanboys could see it that way, honestly...

[Necrochasm]

judging by the agree/disagree amounts, id say theres a lot of them here

[shodai]

How everyone is looking at the big 3 consoles right now:

SONY: The Good
Microsoft: The Bad
Nintendo: The Ugly

Now, we all know how it turned out in the movie. And kind of a similar thing happened at E3 2013.

Microsoft shot first, Sony killed Microsoft and Nintendo just stood there.

[badz149]

and Nintendo just stood there...DEAD!

[Christopher]

Everyone?

Sony: The Meh but Improving
Microsoft: The Meh but Improving
Nintendo: The Not For Me Right Now

[Neo_Zeed]

It's nothing but a BS article for PR. He doesn't mention the problems just makes a generic blanket statement.

[Aurenar]

The gap is always smaller. Xbox One and PlayStation 4 have similar gaming offer. Dev say good things about Microsoft's console.

[kaiserfranz]

Yes, the wind is definitely changing.

[Re-versed]

...and the gap grows bigger...

[Professor_K]

...and it grows smaller again

[S2Killinit]

Actually if you look at listwar.com which i have been monitoring since the beginning, with pictures to compare every month or so, PS4 is pulling ahead with exclusives. In other words, the exclusive gap is increasing not decreasing.

[Christopher]

I don't understand your comment.

What gap is smaller?

All consoles have similar gaming offerings.

He says good and bad things about both consoles.

What was your point? Please enlighten me.

[Re-versed]

when that happened?

[NatureOfLogic_]

Sony Too smh

[Silly gameAr]

That's what it looks like.

[GameDev1]

Sony did what exactly?

Headline is clickbait, he just said these problems exist on Sony side, that is incredibly vague and says nothing at all and also considering his game is on two Sony platforms.

I think he was just trying to be level headed about the situation rather than all the MS are bad for their indie policies that we keep hearing

@Alexious

That is exactly what it said, but it absolutely meant nothing in the context used to make it part of a headline. Usually putting words like that in a headline would have a lot of back up information to follow in the article, isnt that the purpose of headlines?

Therefore using such a vague statement which is trying to paint it like he had problems with Sony but ID Xbox are great is trying to create a division of arguments to get clicks, isnt this clearly obvious?

@ALexious

Well that is my point, if he doesnt go into any information on the problems on the Sony side, it shouldnt be a headline but it should definitely be part of the article, do you understand now?

The problem is not whether he is being truthful, am sure some devs will have some problems on the Sony side, the problem is his statement is too vague to make a headline, infact he might not even be saying he has had problems with Sony, rather he knows it exists

[Alexious]

Sorry dude, but that's exactly what he said. I don't see how reporting one's exact statement can possibly qualify as "clickbait".

And yes, he was being level headed about the situation which is the point of saying that problems are on both sides.

[Alexious]

Not at all dude, you're making no sense.

It says "there are problems on Sony's side too", meaning there are ALSO on Microsoft's side. Which is, again, exactly what was said.

He doesn't have to go into details as to what kind of issues they had on one side or the other to make it true.

[GameDev1]

@Alexious

"He doesn't have to go into details as to what kind of issues they had on one side or the other to make it true"

Yes he does, I am not saying he is not being truthful, am sure Sony side has problems, it is the headline pulling in clicks with that line

Again I went into the article to see what problems he had with Sony but there was literally nothing on Sony problems apart from that very vague short sentence, hence the headline got me to click for nothing, hence click bait

[Gilgamesh15]

You would be that fanboy that was referred to above. Can you really be more granular and petty about this? I really can't believe it warranted that much work, hope it was worth it.

[Mostafeto]

"There’s a lot of back-and-forth in those situations and I think on Sony’s side they’ve had more autonomy so it’s easier for them to lift certain restrictions and be flexible."

"The program has its issues like any program would that’s part of a large corporation. These problems exist on Sony’s side too, which is very indie friendly these days." Note: Alex Preston didn't mention what was the problems and he has the full right to do so.

Sony was mentioned by Alex sometimes in his interview briefly and he didn't go into a detailed comparison between the two indie systems Sony and Microsoft have and that wasn't the point of the interview anyway. The interview was focusing more on Microsoft's ID@Xbox but with references to Sony's program so I am sure if you read this article correctly and understand it sir then you will know the title is 100% not a clickbait

[Kiwi66]

So you'd rather he got down on his knees and praised sony and bad mouthed ms , would that make you feel better rather than him saying that he had no problems with ms as we can't have a dev say something good about ms now can we

[GameDev1]

@Giglamesh

The irony of your post, did you even bother to read my post? I am not defending Sony or saying MS is bad, I am trying to point out a problem with clickbait headlines, this is the first one that has gotten me in a while among the many on this site. Now who is the fanboy eh?

@Mr Krispy

What? Its like your fanboy instinct kicked in immediately once you saw my post saying something about Sony, Read my post well and carefully, it is not about defending what the developer said about Sony, but how the writer of the article deceived me

[Christopher]

@Alexious: It's clickbait because the author chose to only highlight a portion of the quote that made it look like Sony had just problems and that was all. Has nothing to do with what was said, but with what the author chose to sell us in the title.

[bmwfanatic]

Nice click bait why mention sony at all?

[kaiserfranz]

Because Sony was mentioned by Preston? Are you afraid or something or what?

[mkis007]

The title is the only statement about sony in the article. titles usually are supposed to offer a taste of the content. There is nothing else said so what purpose does having such a small remark have in a title. Should have gone in the subtitle.

I mean, i clicked on it to learn what sonys problems were...but there is nothing there.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

So would someone mind explaining what the problems are with ID@Xbox and how those problems relate to Sony's independent developer program?

Here's everything anyone needs to know about how Sony works with developers...

http://www.playstation.com/...

It just seems kind of odd that someone from ID@Xbox would say that Sony has the same problems with independent developers as ID@Xbox without actually mentioning what those problems were.

[Lucreto]

Also if their were problem why are Sony announcing new indie titles nearly every week.

[Lenrulesdaworld]

No one from ID@Xbox said that, it was alex preston an indie developer. So no need to go all out to prove what sony does with their program. He's just speaking from experience, is all.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Lenrulesdaworld

I must have been tired or something. Completely misread that it was a statement from Alex Preston a developer, but that still doesn't explain why he would say that Sony and ID@Xbox have problems and then go on to not mention any of those problems. Does anyone have an explanation for that?

[Neo_Zeed]

I'd like to hear from those of you in denial. What problems did he state exactly?

I did read the article and challenge you to clarify the issue.

[WCxAlchemist]

Quote " These problems exist on Sonys side too" Meaning problems that devs face with MS,Nintendo and PC is the SAME problems they (devs) face with Sony.

Hope that clarified it 4u

[WCxAlchemist]

I have problem where just bout every game 2nd/3rd party dev studio creates and Sony helps publish they Sony wants to own the ip even its not there creation ask Insomniac studio they have spoken very publicly bout Sonys practices and why there with MS now cause MS feels you created the game you should own that ip str8 up.

But again if this were MS they would be hammered to no end

[IIFloodyII]

Insomniac are a privately held company, who are currently making a PS4 exclusive. How exactly are they with Microsoft now?

[ShadowWolf712]

Insomniac works with both companies, dude.

[ninsigma]

How do you expect them to build up a first party system?? By praying the devs don't go elsewhere??

MS have done it as well. They wouldn't let bungie out of their deal unless they gave up the rights to halo. How is that any different?? Pretty sure the same happened with gears.

It's how these people work. They need to have ownership of some of these IPs or they'll eventually be left with nothing.

Also who do you think is making the ratchet and clank reboot exclusively for PS4?? Insomniac are independent and are making quality titles for both Sony and MS. I don't where you got that idea they're "with MS now".

[WelkinCole]

If Sony is funding those 2nd party titles then Sony has every right to the IP.

[rainslacker]

That's not the case with just about every game Sony publishes. not even close actually.

Insomniac have spoken publicly about why they decided to pursue other platforms, and owning the IP was one of them, but they were not critical of Sony in that, as they were the ones that agreed to it in the first place.

Be realistic here. If Insomniac had gone to Activision, or EA, and got the game published, do you think they wouldn't want IP rights as well? Do you think MS doesn't do the same thing with some of their 2nd party games?

Every publisher wants the IP, but sometimes a dev can haggle their way out of it. It's purely contractual, and not a matter of company policy, and it's not uncalled of to ask for when someone else is putting up 30-50 million dollars plus marketing costs. It's only been within the past few years where publishers have started to publish games and let the devs keep the IP rights.

In the case of SSO, yeah, MS let them keep the IP. Sony either wasn't willing to do that, or Insomniac didn't try hard enough to keep it. Nobody here knows about what went on in the negotiations, it could have simply come down to MS offered more money to get the game published.

@ninsig

MS didn't own gears, and Epic had no obligation to MS to "stay" with them. They did so because MS published their games and did a good job of making Epic even more known. After the 3rd gears, Epic could have released all other sequels to any platform they wanted to until MS actually brought the IP.

[Phar0ahad3]

Why is it always people who specifically have a deal with microsoft that give microsoft nothing but praise i wonder why...............

[Jayszen]

Click bait article that is rather thin on facts when it comes to justifying assertion about Sony. Poor.

[windblowsagain]

Could not careless about indies. Would not make me buy one console over another.

[ninsigma]

Ori was the main reason I wanted an xb1 and I was not dissappointed. It now sits in the number one spot of my favourite games this gen. Rime is another one I'm really lookg forward to. You should really try some of these games, they can be pretty awesome. If not, then I hope you enjoy the games that you are into :)

[windblowsagain]

Yeah I wasn't trying to knock them. I understand people like those types of games, and I have played a few. But I do like AAA games:)

[ninsigma]

Don't we all man. I mean, Arkham Knight...nuff said xD

[corroios]

Its amazing how people comment without reading the «news»... lol. They wished it was true...