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What’s With All The Double Standards?

A new entry in the Life, The Universe and Gaming recurring column from an EGMR author, in which the likes of Peter Molyneux, Anita Sarkeesian, The Order: 1886, and #GamerGate are discussed, with the overall question being: Why are there so many double standards in gaming?

SaveFerris3771d ago

Despite the many failures of Peter Molyneux, I'll always have fond memories of Bullfrog Productions and Populous, Syndicate, Powermonger, and other games that came from the studio like Theme Park and Theme Hospital.

mikeslemonade3771d ago

Cause some people have no critcal eye. I've been calling it for a long time on meta scores. There's a long list of games that are underserving of the score or scored too low based on there philosophy. Atleast be consistent.

Mr Pumblechook3771d ago

Create is better than hate.

There are those who design worlds, create new universes for us to play in - but the execution doesn't always work out as planned.

Then there are are those that seek to comment and chastise every single aspect of this fine hobby - in the process they reveal they have no true love for gaming.

Mr Pumblechook3771d ago (Edited 3771d ago )

The author seems to be deranged with their anti-Sony bias that they cannot observe the truth correctly.

He claims that The Order has received special, favourable, treatment by the gaming press on account of it being short - and the press not criticising it! Regardless of what console you prefer I don't think it's possible to ignore that the last week The Order has received very unfavourable press due to the length.

BlackTar1873771d ago

Syndicate the original was a great game.

-Foxtrot3771d ago

Yeah least he has some good games

Does Anita have that.....nope, she's a bigger con artist who hates games and couldn't give a shit about the industry.

Lighter93771d ago

Don't forget Dungeon Keeper 2. I spent so much time with that game, playing and building levels. So much fun.

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-Foxtrot3771d ago (Edited 3771d ago )

This article nails it in my opinion :)

People did the same with Heavy Rain and the Walking Dead

People blasted Heavy Rain for X, Y and Z yet praised it in the Walking Dead games

gamerfan09093771d ago

The Walking Dead games are 50 times better written and priced correctly for the content they deliver. Cage cannot write good scripts. All of his games are super ambitious, but he can't write at that scale and the plot holes in his games show it. I think Quantic Dream is a more talented studio, but in terms of game for game telltale makes the better written games by a mile.

-Foxtrot3771d ago

The X, Y and Z criticisms never spoke of the writing quality

If Telltale made another Zombie game people wouldn't be giving it the praise it has. It's alright but nothing special. The Walking Dead is very popular now and the games latched onto that for a good headstart.

Telltale haven't made anything original...and by original I mean something from scratch

johndoe112113771d ago

Are you out of your mind?????? Have you ever even played heavy rain?

Outthink_The_Room3771d ago (Edited 3771d ago )

As gamerfan stated, it's also a pricing issue.

1886 would not have been trashed for it's content, if it was $30-40. But when you lack in content, but charge full price, you are going to hear complaints.

Same thing with Alien Isolation. Bloated game, not worth $60. They should have chopped off the junk, trimmed it down to a 10 hour experience and sold it for $40.

Solely single player experiences don't have the kind of replay needed for such a price tag. Same thing will probably happen for Until Dawn, if it's priced at $60.

And again, you forget to mention that the criticism of Heavy Rain also had to do with price. People were saying they'll wait til it's cheaper. So if the game was priced at $40, it's much more attractive since that price is similar to the content available.

Granted, you would still have people saying they'll wait til it's hits $20, but the fact remains, the amount of content is very much indicative of price. Journey and Limbo were $15 and for good reason. Content wise, they aren't worth $60.

And I don't care if it's "indie" or not. I'm not paying $60 just because it has better graphics than an indie game. No-one told RAD to go all out on graphics and lack content. I'm somehow supposed to spend $60 because it's graphically impressive? So good looking games warrant a higher price tag because dev costs go up? That's not my problem nor did I tell the devs to do it.

No way am I spending more on a game because it cost more to make it. If you had enough money, then add content, not just prettiness.

johndoe112113771d ago (Edited 3771d ago )

I'm gonna say something here, it has become apparent that gaming websites and game bloggers on the whole have little to no understanding of what consists of proper reporting and personal responsibility.

To the blogging troll who wrote this article I'm gonna give you a piece of advice. The day you decided to write for an online news site, whether it be gaming, general entertainment or a site advising people what type of toilet paper to buy, you assumed a responsibility to the public and to yourself to uphold a certain ethical standard.

I know professionalism is probably a word you haven't heard before nor would probably ever care to hear but you should still try and practice it regardless. You do not refer to people who are reading your articles (even if you are aiming it at a minor group) as sony fanboys, microsoft fanboys or nintendo fanboys. It reeks of immaturity, stupidity and unprofessionalism.

Leave those terms for the forums and comment sections of articles. It should not be used by the people who bring us the news and who we expect to be unbiased, fair and of a higher moral standard. It doesn't matter if the gist of your article is correct or not. Using terms that are used in online mud slinging contests to refer to anyone in the community is inappropriate for someone in your position. Grow the hell up.

rainslacker3770d ago

While I think you are being a bit harsh on the author, I do agree with your general statement. I would also like to add that generalizing a group is not a good way to get your point across. For instance, the author says something along the lines like, "The same people that criticize the order are the ones that praised TWD". That might be true in some cases but obviously isn't anywhere close to being everyone.

It's easy to assume that a whole group of people feel the same way because of the vocal crowd, but the vocal ones do not always represent the whole. If the general consensus is one thing, then the hate/love seems to be pretty unanimous, and there isn't much defense of the topic at hand.

johndoe112113770d ago

I agree, I did come across as too harsh. It's just that it pisses me off the way the gaming media writes. It's just a total lack of respect for their audience. You would think that these guys would know better. They are the ones who fan the flame wars and then turn around and criticize the gamers for fighting it. However I agree, I probably should have been less venomous in my criticism. Will do better next time.

telekineticmantis3771d ago

First let me say to egmr, on the topic of religion, that's a little above your pay grade, too many people who know very little on history , religion & don't even read the bible think they can define it, let's just stay in our lanes and talk about video games.

Now that, that's out of the way. Now let's just admit, even though I haven't played the Order, the things you can see with your own eyes from trailers reviews and previews can tell you, this game is not a 10 or a 9, maybe not even an 8.The brain is referencial, this is how we think, and how we learn, reference to picture and sound. So whatever a journalist defines as a negative or positive sets a precedence. So when I play Little Big Planet, and a journalist defines it's jumping as floaty, and says that is a negative, then I play Mario 3D land, which has perhaps, THE MOST FLOATY JUMPS, I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED, and it's not even mentioned, I start to understand why people love some of these archaic Nintendo games... just Nostalgia. That emotion trumps all critical thinking, and and for a 31 year old man who moved on from Mario at a young age, I will never share the sentiments of these journalists towards Mario or Zelda, because I'm always looking for the next best thing, while they want improvements on their childhood heroes. I don't know call me heatless I guess...

johndoe112113771d ago

"First let me say to egmr, on the topic of religion, that's a little above your pay grade, too many people who know very little on history , religion & don't even read the bible think they can define it, let's just stay in our lanes and talk about video games."

You just won the internet for the day. Well said.

Adrian_v013770d ago

Maybe the writer did read the bible. Just sayin'.

ArtificiallyYours3771d ago

Anita...

People like her make me want to jump into a portal back to 2004.

Ugh.

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The Order: 1886 Sequel Would Have Featured Larger-Scale Battles & Multiplayer

A sequel to Sony and Ready At Dawn's action-adventure game, The Order: 1886, would have featured larger-scale battles as well as multiplayer.

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pwnmaster300024d ago

I missed it when games use to have a multiplayer to them.
Hope Sony revives the game at one point

KyRo24d ago

Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, TLOU, Motorstorm. Great times. Its a shame how far they've fallen this generation

Muigi24d ago

Oh they still do…its just the whole game now 😂.

-Foxtrot24d ago

Why add multiplayer when the single player (despite enjoying it for what it was) had flaws?

You'd work out the issues with how you craft the single player then once you’ve perfected it do multiplayer after.

RaidenBlack24d ago

https://www.videogameschron...
"Two sequels were planned for the franchise, The Order 1891 and The Order 1899. While the third game was never in development, Weerasuriya says he had planned where the story of the franchise was planned to go, if he had been able to develop the full trilogy."
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Alas, we'll also might never get the PC version of 1886, which is currently residing in some dev's hard drive, nearly ready for a release if required.

Charal24d ago

It’s a shame we didn’t gave its chance to this franchise.
Game world was very interesting, and gameplay could have evolved to a major hit with sequels.
Not even speaking about graphics that were way ahead of their time.

Reaper22_24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

If "we" is sony, i agree. I liked the game but it was metacritic that contributed to it's death. It's a shame.

AshleeEmerson24d ago

No, we are "us," the gamers who rated it so low on Metacritic, hurting... Killing its sales. I agree it is a shame. I loved this game.

Charal24d ago

No it is not, it is us has a community which crucified this game, which is happening much too often.

CrimsonWing6924d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I think MP being co-op would’ve been awesome. Essentially, I always viewed this as Sony’s take on the Gears series.

However, it really failed to measure up to what I expected. I definitely saw the potential but there were some things that really bogged it down for me like the forced slow walking segments (which I know was to hide loading), the repetitive warehouse werewolf fights, not enough variety in enemies, oddly we fought more humans than Darkstalkers, and the stealth sections were infuriating.

One thing there’s no denying though, this damn game was a looker. Such a shame at the wasted potential.

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Peter Molyneux recalls how Project Milo, the Kinect game with revolutionary promise, died a death

Vapourware can end up being the stuff of legend, like Rockstar's Agent, Star Wars 1313, or StarCraft: Ghost. Without ever seeing the light of day, these games never risked the possibility of being played and forgotten, and instead live on forever as the subjects of lengthy YouTube essays.

Still, Molyneux's most notable lost game (or tech demo, depending on who you asked at the time) was arguably Project Milo.

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darthv7229d ago

I can see the potential of the kinect hardware... its rather impressive tech, but it was just not meant to be for gaming. If anything, MS had a huge missed opportunity to have used it for the AR/VR projects.

S2Killinit28d ago

Missed opportunity? They lied. It was the biggest lie in gaming history.

merlox28d ago

You can use the Kinect as an SLS camera for paranormal investigations. So it wasn’t a complete failure.

Cacabunga28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Remember Star Wars Kinect announcement? Biggest laughable acting seen

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rlow127d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Do you mean about project Milo?

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-Foxtrot29d ago

It was built on lies Peter...you know this.

isarai29d ago

Bro that thing NEVER existed, what we got was a concept video

Knushwood Butt29d ago

"Unfortunately, as we were developing Milo, so the Kinect device was being developed. And they realised that the device that Alex Kipman first showed off would cost $5,000 for consumers to buy.

"So they cost-reduced that device down to such a point, where the field-of-view...I think it was a minuscule field-of-view. In other words, it could only just see what's straight in front of you."

Hmm, exactly what tech was in it, that was cut, affected the development? It was only ever interpreting visual and audio inputs right? The xbox was processing those inputs.

Nor do I see how the field of view thing is relevant to the discussion.

isarai28d ago

Exactly! Tf kinda BS statement was that? i don't really see how fov is relevant at all, since when do you move all around a room while talking/interacting to someone?

Amplitude28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

This is entirely untrue. There was never a 5000 dollar Kinect prototype that could somehow use a wider field of view to scan and import generated in-game items and advance AI by over a decade. Anybody that fell for this was a stupid moron child, myself included. Anybody that falls for this lie now is a stupid moron child who doesn't realize that these people *only* know how to lie.

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The Order: 1886, a Ten Year Reunion

WTMG's Leo Faria: "After finally playing the now decade-old The Order: 1886, what do I think about it? Is it really worthy of all the hate it has received over the past decade? Or is it some kind of hidden gem? I honestly think it falls somewhere in the middle. I loved the setting, the story is initially fine, the combat isn’t half-bad, and the potential for some awesome world building was there. It was all bogged down by too much ambition against a tight deadline, as well as poor marketing. As a result, it’s short, full of plotholes, infested with QTEs, and not exactly memorable as a whole. As a game you can grab for less than ten bucks today, I absolutely think it’s worth checking out. It’s one hell of a wasted potential, but for such a discount, I had some fun with it, and I’m sure you will too."

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SimpleSlave121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

Great setting, great graphics, even decent gun play, but what a trash of a game. The fuck were these people thinking? We could've had something like an Alan Wake 2 meets Mass Effect 2 style game. With investigations, creepy locations to uncover and explore, people to talk to and even recruit, clues to uncover and connect, monsters to slay, side quests to get lost in, and a more expansive lore to go with it.

Instead we got a shitty AAAAAAAAA Third Person Pew Pew snoozfest. Awesome.

_SilverHawk_120d ago

The order 1886 was one of the best games I played on ps4. Within a top 5 best ps4 games I'd put the last of us 2, the order 1886, days gone, horizon zero dawn and God of war.

SimpleSlave120d ago

"The order 1886 was one of the best games I played on ps4. Within a top 5 best ps4 games..."

Jesus H. Christ, bud. You just sound like a Sony apologist. What the fuck? Anyways. Good luck with that or whatever.

coolbeans120d ago

God. The "what could've been" you're describing would've been way better than just being the most empty cinematic shooter slop of that generation.

SimpleSlave120d ago

Right? I mean, I can understand people enjoying this thing ironically. Knowing that it sucks but still enjoying it for what it is. I get that. That's fine. We all have our guilty pleasure no doubt. But to come here and actually pretend that this is a top 5 PS4 game? Wow!

To pretend that this barely there game is anything more than an "empty cinematic shooter slop of that generation," as you said, is beyond ridiculous. But I guess Self-Awareness is some expensive ass DLC still.

Espangerish120d ago

I really enjoyed this game and also think it was one of the best PS4 games. It’s weird to me that this makes you so angry. I’m not a Sony fan at all by the way, very much pc player.

SimpleSlave120d ago

"and also think it was one of the best PS4 games"
"I’m not a Sony fan at all by the way, very much pc player."

Yeah, OK. You want to lie to yourself? You do you, bud. But like I said to the other Sony apologist, "good luck with that or whatever."

-Foxtrot120d ago

Jesus, it had some flaws but you're acting like it was unplayable.

It built a foundation, a rocky one but a sequel is where they could have refined things.

Personally my only issue is I feel like the "Gears of War" like over the shoulder gameplay, especially getting into cover and the like didn't really fit the game as much. In Gears you understand that kind of gameplay because they are wearing super heavy amour and guns but in the Order these guys are super human, they should feel more of a breeze to control, easily jumping over things and being allowed to climb whatever similar to Uncharted.

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Inverno120d ago

Im back again to simp for The Order, if ya like games well grounded in their reality with consistency in everything it does then I recommend it if ya haven't played it. Play it thru emulation or on your PS it don't matter just play it.

1nsomniac120d ago (Edited 120d ago )

A great game run down by the media for it's price vs length - Which was understandable, but it shouldn't of been the be all and end all.

At the right price this was a great game & deserved a sequel!

thorstein120d ago

Exactly. What a weird metric that suddenly was important and then, within a few months, no longer mattered.

andy85120d ago

I enjoyed this. I think the complaints were the length if I remember. Nothing wrong with a short good game, at least to physical copy owners 😅

Rebel_Scum120d ago

Put the thing on PS plus already!

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