The Order: 1886 on PS4 - Here Is What Gears of War's Dad Cliff Bleszinski Thinks of the First Hour

Here's the point of view on The Order: 1886 from one of the men that are considered among the founding fathers of the cover shooter genre: Cliff Bleszinski, who after working on the Unreal and Gears of War franchise is now leading his own studio, Bosskey Productions.

Beware of spoilers in the video below.

[Fro_xoxo]

Cliffy hit the nail on the head. Plus, he was even nice about it.

I feel like, if the Order had gotten a pass. We'd be getting more games that's pushing cut-scenes and less interactivity. Doing more watching than playing.

That isn't what gaming is about. I want to be involved as much as possible.

The Order isn't the first game to do this. It's just a scapegoat right now. A game had to be one, eventually.

@OrangePowerz ~ Heavenly Sword got the balance right. If you're going to be about cut-scene galore. There has to be a balance between game-play and cut-scenes.

[OrangePowerz]

What`s the problem with getting more games like that? You don`t have to buy it if those kind of gamers aren`t your cup of tea. Why should I not games like that because other people don`t like them?

Heavenly Sword was shorter, had probably just as many cutscenes and was completely linear. It was a good game.

[xHeavYx]

I know, right? The devs said from the beginning what the game would be like. I hate the "I don't like it so it shouldn't exist" attitude

[Cindy-rella]

Look at the back of the order 1886 case and itll say "crazy ambitious and highly cinematic" . Even the developers explain that its a very cinematic game before it was even out.

There are millions of people in this world that hates the ps4 and its exclusive titles just like millions hate the Xbox one and its exclusives. I remember this game getting hate weeks and months before release.

A lot of people keep talking about how the game is 5hours long , it has more cutscenes than gameplay, and its filled with qte which proves that most who says that didn't play the game. The game has qte but not more than games like god of war and others. The game isnt a 5hour game like people say unless you speed run through the game. The game has a lot of cutscenes but not more than actually playing the game.

Just like killzone, uncharted,tlou,gran turismo, infamous,driveclub and a lot of ps exclusives, fanatics will hate them because they are amazing ps exclusives that a lot dont have on their fav console. These games also are superior to other gaming exclusives for other platform technologically on other platforms and somr fanatics cant handle it.

Nothing graphically can compare to the order 1886 on any other system now and the ps4 is considered crap and weak by a lot of fanatics. Some people are so hurt over the order that in their comments theyll say that the devs shouldn't have made the graphics so beautiful. Basically they are saying the devs shouldnt have put so much work in polishing the game and making a high quality product. The order isnt broken by any means and one can critique it for what it does but you cant say its crap. Some people prefers the samey type games out there and some people dont. Play what you like and leave what others like without ridicule. I dont like cod and 90percent of fps that are out there but i dont cry about how they should be different. I just play what i like . To each their own

[PoSTedUP]

if it sells and people like it, there will be a market for them. nothing wrong with that. oh wait i forgot its all about "me, me, memememe" this generation.

@orange: yeah, loved HS, an underrated gem of last gen that got torn apart with reviews.

[Man-Eee-Faces]

OrangePower, because gamers buys videogame entertainment medium that is about giving control to the player and gaming is always meant to be that way even dating back to the $80 cartridge days of the NES. I would be upset if I have to watch through and have the controller taken away from me with cut scenes after cutscenes while playing The Adventure of Zelda after paying $80 for it. It is not that different than the same complaint about the MSV demo issue when Konami was charging $30 for a short demo and if that test pilot succeeded, then we no doubt will see more of that from many other publishers and games, and we definitely don't want that.

In regard to the Order, there is nothing wrong with you liking that type of game that is short on value, replayability, and lots of cut scenes Qte and whatnot but that is considered a niche genre and the majority wants and expects games that are made for the modern time with modern features. That is why COD and GTA are the games that are selling gangbuster version after version because it has the value and gameplay that are put in the hands of the players that is a standard that is expected from games today.

If I want to watch 1/2 of my game, then I go to the movie but when I have the contoller in my hand, I expect the buttons to be pressed and the thumbstick to be moving ( and I am not referring to QTE) either.

[PoSTedUP]

@manE

what determins a videogame? um, anything really. and many dont even involve a character that you control. there is no correct or incorrect definition of a videogame, just as long as it is a game that is on your tv.

and who is "we" that dont want Prologues? you "more" important people?? because the sales of GZ and GT5p beg to differ, as will the sales of GT7p. id be pissed if it didnt release and i dont get to pay MY money for something that "I" want because of people that have absolutely nothing to do with Prologues, there development or anything that affects them in any way other than just other people being happy about getting something they want.

[bangoskank]

The problem is that it had the potential to be a classic title but its dependancy on QTE's and cutscenes make it more of an interactive movie than a game. Those elements add up to a boring experience for gamers.

[SonyPS360]

This isn't the only reason people think it's mediocre.

[badz149]

@theFro

"I feel like, if the Order had gotten a pass. We'd be getting more games that's pushing cut-scenes and less interactivity. Doing more watching than playing.

That isn't what gaming is about. I want to be involved as much as possible."

but that doesn't stop games from TellTale like

Back to The Future,
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

The Walking Dead,
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Wolf Among Us,
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Game of Thrones,
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Sam & Max
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

and many others getting good reviews, outstanding even, for being what they are. they are more "interactive experience" than "games" like what people or the so called "reviewers" out there are saying.

TellTale's games don't appeal to me in the slightest for what they are but should I be parading to the masses that these games are CRAP because I don't like it? should I tell people that these games are bad because Telltale's vision of THEIR games don't appeal to me and not to my taste?

but reviewers and gamers alike are fine with these games and going as far as to praise them although they are exactly what they are bashing The Order 1886 for. SHORT, LACK OF GAMEPLAY, QTE GALORE, LINEAR, CORRIDOR EXPERIENCE, FULL OF CUTSCENES and LACK OF REPLAY VALUE!

seems like you agree with the reviewers bashing The Order 1886 for being what it is, so, are you telling me that TellTale are ALLOWED to express THEIR OWN vision of games according to them but Ready at Dawn and Sony AREN'T ALLOWED to do so? how does THAT work? I just don't get it.

journalist have been setting their eyes on the Order since the reveal and I honestly am not surprised for the low scores they are giving it but they are clearly bashing the game for what they praise other games for and I can't accept that kind of inconsistency. some of them going as low as giving 1/5, 2/5, even 4, 5 or 6/10 which are reserved for truly broken and bad games but ignoring the technical achievements behind it which is just plain ridiculous!

[Letthewookiewin]

I really really like this game. It's ok if people don't share my opinion. It's not perfect, I wish it had deeper mechanics like a progression system, but it doesn't, so I move past it. The black bars disappear as you immerse and the shooting is straight up, some cool melee and great dialogue and atmosphere. That said when this game hits 40$ I believe it will be truly worth the experience for people on the fence. But I didn't want to wait and wanted my own opinion, glad I didn't listen to the haters, no buyers remorse from me. I'll be going through it twice to plat it so I'm looking at 16hrs easy.

[kickerz]

Maybe save yourself $60 and go for a walk outside

[DevilOgreFish]

what i notice about this game is that you hardly run, more like quick pacing to jogging. there is definitely lots of walking in this game. walking and talking. looks great though.

[XBLSkull]

The problem is they made a TellTale game, and gambled by putting the entire budget into its graphics. Turns out that was a terrible decision. I already think telltale games are overpriced anyways, but The Order should be charging the $20 or so it is worth. Buy now and trade in tomorrow and it's probably an okay investment. Had they put effort into the game in other areas besides graphics they may have ended up with a decent franchise. As it stands I'd have a hard time believing a sequel come around after flopping like this. The meta score for this game at 65 is giving this game exactly as it deserves, I certainly wouldn't throw more money at a sequel to a 65 rated game. It really is the blunder the press was telling us when they first got their hands on it months ago so most of us aren't surprised it's been received so poorly, all signs pointed to it months ago. It's okay to like poor games though guys, just don't try to convince us that we are wrong cause the game is "good" we just don't like it. The game sucks, and you like it. You are entitled to that.

[kazumakiriyu]

The problem is the game has no replay value. Nothing to unlock or do afterwards.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@badz149
Great comment.

[thejigisup]

It was a great game... Good doesn't do heavenly sword justice.

[tman7302]

@Man-Eee-Faces

The fact you got that many disagrees about the foundation of video games really scares me about people's tastes. I guess gaming will be hollywood next generation LOL

[mikeslemonade]

You guys not supporting this game are being short sighted. The Order maybe short but the budget of this game must have been above $70 million. Developers like Ready at Dawn need help.

You may never see future AAA games from Ready at Dawn if this doesn't sell well. While tablet and smartphone games are booming. Support AAA games and especially exclusives!

That's the problem with gamers today is that most gamers can only see things at a surface level. They don't see how the industry is changing based on what you buy.

[FrostedFire]

@badz149 4 of those games are being made by the same devs,there's your problem right there.And now compare that to the list of gaming coming out yearly.

[cooperdnizzle]

Man ee face. It's not all about you! Just because you have some imaginary agenda of what a game should be does not mean the developer/ artist consumers/gamers share your opinion remotely. I like cinematic games and always have. I have been gaming for 24 years playing games since I was 4 years old on my brothers nintendo. Do I like games that are more game-play originated? Yep! The walking dead games are amazing in their own right. Zelda games in their own right. Nobody cares about what you think is the right type of game. Your theory is so pot holed and lazy. Example I don't like horror movies so people shouldn't make them, its all about me. I like rock music some people shouldn't make Pop. Get over yourself

[hkgamer]

Heavenly sword was great and it felt complete as a game.

What i hear about this game is that it doesnt feel like its complete and felt more like a prologue into a big series.

If there isnt anything too bad about this game i hope they get a chance of a sequel.

[bouzebbal]

that's why there is something called "gaming genre".. in a few years or months we will have something called VR genre. Meaning that with the consoles being advanced, we will see more of The Order like games, like what happened saw Heavy Rain and Beyond last gen.
Everyone is crazy about GTA but i HATE this series. Tastes are among things that cannot be discussed.
I'm chapter 3 or 4 of The Order and i really loved every bit of it, i like to just walk around and explore the amazing world. it's intense as it is, has a very solid gunfight system. It does have lots of cutscenes but that's done on purpose because the story is at center of everything.
If you guys want every game to be like GTA then it first means that you only think about your ass and not about other's tastes. Secondly gaming industry will die sooner than later. I wish people could enjoy games for what they are there for: entertaining. If it's not a game for you after you saw gameplay and trailers then save your money for something else.
The worst thing is this forum is infected with people who haven't even had the chance to try it out.

[OrangePowerz]

@Man

People buy games for entertainment. The 80s and 90s had many games where the player had a little amount of control when you compare it to games like Zelda. If people are entertained that's what matters and not how. I like all sorts of games, games like the Order, Heavy Rain, GTA, Skyrim, iRacing, Elite Dangerous, Madden, Little Big Planet, Flower, Fifa, CoD and so on and so on. I don't care what the devs do to entertain me as long as I'm entertained.

You can't compare selling a demo for 30 bucks when it's basically the first level taken out of the game and sold separately and afterwards charge 60 bucks for the rest of the game.

So what if it's a niche genre? If we only get games that are for the majority of what people want the variety of games will get even slimmer.

I love GTA5, but it's not really different from the other GTA games. The biggest chance is that you can change your character on the fly. Besides of that graphics have been made better and the horrible shooting mechanics from the previous games was improved on.

For you the game might not have the value of 60 bucks for others it can. I can see how much work went into getting the game done to the way it is.

[Pogmathoin]

This is probably an enjoyable game, and yes, devs did point out at the start what to expect, but on sites like this, where it was used in countless stupid articles by fanboys to brag my sysytem is better than yours, this game will sell billions of PS4's....this will run in 4k/60fps...... This is what these stupid articles, Xbox or PS side do to games..... Its like a cancer eating the industry from inside out..... Internet is a good thing, but abused too much by those who believe they can say anything they want without consequences.... I want these games to succeed.... The more new IP's doing well, the more we get away from countless sequels..... Maybe get away from 'gaming' journalists with less intellect than goldfish.... Ready at Dawn should not be explaining there work..... If you do not like this game, do not buy it, and no wants to hear why it upsets you, you are not special, buy something else and play it, be quiet.

[thricetold]

The problem orange is not gamers who DON'T like games like this, its gamers who do like games like this telling "haters" their opinion doesn't matter and that anyone who hates games who value graphics over gameplay.

DON'T you dare lump heavenly sword in with this game, that game got it right, EXCELLENT GAMEPLAY and looked good.

Glad you enjoyed it, how is other gamers stating these types of "games" blows ruining your enjoyment?

[UKmilitia]

i have just finished The Order 1886 and i loved it,i really enjoyed the gameplay and cutscene mix.
was fine with me and not once did i think there was too many.

[OrangePowerz]

@thricetold

I don`t say people who don`t like the game can`t express their dislike, they can do that. They don`t matter when their opinion is that there shouldn`t be more games like it or it`s bad for the industry and that those aren`t games.

I think Heavenly Sword is a great example. I liked that one a lot and you did as well. Maybe it`s been a while since you played it but it also had a lot of cutscenes with short sections of gameplay in between. It was basically the God of wear version of The Order and for people who that game wasn`t made for they had the same opinion about that you and others have about The Order Want to read some stuff that reviews said about Heavenly Sword, mind you a lot of that isn`t from small sites but IGN and magazines. The quotes could come directly from reviews for The Order, but they are for Heavenly Sword.

"If this game was longer than six hours, we'd give it a much better score, but the length of it isn't quite redeemed by the great story and mediocre gameplay."

"we just wish that the same amount of care that went into these cutscenes were applied to the game's pacing."

"No amount of lavish technical polish and drama-filled cut scenes can disguise how it feels to play, and the fact that at its core, the combat doesn't quite cut it. Put simply, it feels like it's trying too hard to be different for the sake of it, and throws all manner of good, well-established ideas out to its detriment. Instead of being a spectacular refinement of what's gone before"

"Though it's mostly good, often excellent and technically spectacular, as a wannabe movie this can't help but fall short of heavenly."

"For all its showboating, this is an average action game with few standout moments."

[indyman7777]

To satisfy everyone on the next game maybe there should be an auto-QTE option, and an skip cut scene option. That way the executives can be impressed, the reviewers can be impressed, the few people that like qte will have a option to use them, and the people that hate qte can not have to do qte, it can do it for you and then pressing skip can even skip the whole scene if you want.

[DougLord]

Games with cut scenes are not a "problem" some of my favorite gaming moments come from games with great cut scenes.

God of War proves QTEs aren't a problem.

Linear stories aren't a problem either.

But when you give us 3 hours of generic popular gunplay in between boring cut scenes with stereotyped NPCs, and you lead is by the nose from A to B, making the game artificially longer with QTEs that git between minute 4 and 5 of a cut scene, killing us for not paying attention.

Sorry it's the way the whole package came together not 1 or 2 minor things.

[CaptainObvious878]

Doug, just be quite. Stop preading that complete horse sh*t about 3 hours of gunplay with 2 hours of cutscenes. This has already proved to be false.

It's obvious you have no interest in the game what so ever, except to irrational hate it. You have nothing to contribute except your fanboyism, so just get out.

[Bathyj]

You haven't played it. That's obvious. I'm over 3 hours in and only just got up to the airship. Dislike the game all you like, but stop telling lies.

[Muzikguy]

My favorite Dougie! http://youtu.be/aZglqkCRNt8

You've been dogging this game for months so don't even act like you've played it. You're always trolling, so I keep asking you to teach me how!!

http://youtu.be/aZglqkCRNt8

[PhucSeeker]

Occasional QTEs when fighting a boss for some cool moments are great. But a full boss fight contains only prompted button pressing is not cool. I hated it in Uncharted GA, Dying Light and i hope we will never see it again in newer games. Even a damage sponge boss is much much better than a QTE one.

[Man-Eee-Faces]

Bathyj,

Not everyone has time to stand still and look in every corner to admire the scenery to inflate the play time. Most people play the game on normal setting and that is what most reviewers did and said on multiple review reports that it is a short game and are consistent with what Douglord is saying. Also he, Douglord, was referring to actual gameplay is 3 hours with players actually taking control of the game and not with combining it with the rest of the cut scenes, which is like 1/2 the game and avg total is like 6 hours like many reviewers already testified.

http://attackofthefanboy.co...
"After playing The Order: 1886 for myself and completing it during launch day, I’m sad to report that my playthrough only lasted for a mere 6 hours.

The playthrough was on the “Normal” difficulty setting and was a first-time run. The 6 hours also included all of the cutscenes (which aren’t skippable) and even the end credits too."

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/...
"If you were able to skip all of the cutscenes, the actual gameplay it offers is very miniscule. Another disappointing thing about The Order: 1886 is the lack of things for you to see.

It’s also short. Much has been made of this, and truth be told, I finished The Order: 1886 in about 6 hours. There are no multiplayer or extra modes to speak of, so when you hit the end credits, you’re done."

http://www.videogamer.com/r...
"Despite this, it's a world you'll want to spend time in, which leads to yet more disappointment. As soon as The Order really starts going, it ends. It's not the longest game – around five and a half to seven-ish hours."

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@Man-ee-faces
"Not everyone has time to stand still and look in every corner to admire the scenery to inflate the play time."
So not everyone has time to stand still and look around supposedly but they want a longer game?
Your comment makes no sense.

[Rodney25]

What about MGS that series has cutscenes up the ass and MGS4 was the worst of the bunch, I played like four seconds of it and it was so convoluted and everything got explained away with nanomachines for me to enjoy it. TaleTell games work cause the stories are great. What makes this game any different? Also it really show's their true colors when they give this game a 1/5 like AC Unity barley ran when it came out I didn't see 1/5's for that game, but hey you could "play it for more than 2 hours" so it get's a pat on the back and thumbs up and keeps going right.

[Rodney25]

Oh I should clearfiy. I mistakingly said I only played MGS4 for 4 seconds I meant to exagurate the fact that you spent 90% of your time watching it and the time was boring as they had to explain away every single plot hole. I've beat the game 3 times twice when I first got it and again years later to confirm my distaste for it since I love the rest of the series.

[iTechHeads]

If you don't like chick flicks, it doesn't mean you don't like movies.

Same goes for games. There's a wide variety of genres and types. Linear, open-world, RPG, shooter, puzzle, Kim Kardashian Hollywood...just because you don't like 1 of these, it doesn't mean "that's not what gaming is about".

The Order is a cinematic game. We've known this since Day 1. Adjust your expectations accordingly.

TLTR: DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS.

When I end up playing The Order, I'm going in it expecting a good story. I'm not expecting complex mechanics and upgradeable weapons and multiple endings. Why? Because that was never promised for this game.

[WeAreLegion]

The problem is that people who haven't played the game are talking about it like they have. The game has plenty of interactivity.

[Moe-Gunz]

Haven played the game myself I find the "takes the controller away from you", "only 5 hours", and "QTE plague" claims ridiculously exaggerated and absolutely stupid.

The sad thing is The Order is pretty damn good, but is bashed for things that other games get away with.

So far for me it's a 7.5 to an 8 out of 10.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

I just want to play , not watch cutscenes!

[thricetold]

Funny you say that when these same feelings were expressed by people who previewed the order months ago.

It just one big conspiracy to you all huh?

It's simple people the hate comes from gamers who value gameplay over graphics being told to shut up because the order is going to change how you play shooters only to find out they didn't mean it in an engaging way.

I'm truly baffled at why it's supporters care, how is it hindering your enjoyment if tons of other gamers think games like this DON'T deserve all this hype over graphics? No i don't want other devs making short cinematic experiences with ZERO replay value but look oh so gorgeous.

Funny thing is if this was a 3rd party game it would be shredded by everyone for having zero replay value. Don't you dare mention "collectibles" that dont offer anything gameplay wise as a reason to replay.

THAT'S all we've heard since the beginning was how freakin gorgeous the game is and blah blah pixels, blah blah mustaches.

[_LarZen_]

"I feel like, if the Order had gotten a pass. We'd be getting more games that's pushing cut-scenes and less interactivity. Doing more watching than playing.

That isn't what gaming is about. I want to be involved as much as possible. "

I really don't get why so many people think this way. There are so many different type of games out there. Everything from the normal AAA games to crazy over the top Indie games.

There is more then enough room for all types of games. Having one type of game wont mean that other genera's will disappear and developers will just focus on that.

I am for variety and therefor I say we need more type of games like The Order. Tho I do hope if we get more games like this that they focus a tad more on gameplay. Because the 3rd person shooter cover mechanism in this game is at times horrible....

[jhoward585]

@The fro

Right on. Like Reggie once said, "its all about the game"

Like I have said before, "1886 was a love letter to the movie industry"

http://www.gamercenteronlin...

[Eddie20101]

The Order 1886 is not a bad game at all and does not deserve any less than a 7 out of 10. These 4 out of 10 or 2 out of 5 reviews are bullshot. The game is not broken,solid 30 fps, the game play isn't bad, the story is pretty good, the music is very good, voice acting great, and the graphics are the closest to photo realistic that you will see right now.

[dboyman]

This is Ready at Dawn's first console game. I think if a sequel of this game could be done, Sony should get SCE Santa Monica Studio (They did God of War series) and Naughty Dog ( Uncharted series and Last of US)to assist them to help with the tech and gameplay aspects of the game. Don't forget Sony often gets these Studios to help others with development issues..

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

I'm deeply in love with this game, best game I've played on the ps4 so far.

[breakdancefight]

Heavenly sword,Indigo prophecy,heavy rain and beyond two souls have done exactly what The order is attempting build on. None of these titles set the world on fire with critics,but have loyal fan base. With the exception of Heavenly sword with it's combo heavy combat system I feel the order does a much better job bridging the gap between film and video games. I am a few hours in and am loving the order.
This is a traditional adventure game with modern combat system that any tell tale games fan would kill for. The main issue of The Order is a poor marketing message and overhype.

[u4one]

well said. i feel the same.

[NuggetsOfGod]

Mgs gets it right!! Lots of story lots of gameplay!!

All hail kojima for a moment.

I would buy the order for $15.. then keep it to look at the graphics in 3 years.

So will sony shut them down for bring ps4s overall games score below xbox? Lol read about that earlier also heard the deleted the order ytube channel. Not sure about that though

Sony gamers will defend this crap to the ends of the earth lol

The game is over priced.

sunset overdrive > the order so it seems.
Forza h2 > drive club.

Obvious facts.

The oder graphics > the Sunset overdrive.
Drive club graphics > forza h2.

Obvious facts.

I think bloodbourne will be the flagship.
Ready at yawn lol

[DanteVFenris666]

Your an obvious hater so why do you think anyone will take you seriously? If this game got praised you would still be here to hate it like many others on here.

[WelkinCole]

I have been gaming since the Atari days.

Please don't tell what gaming is about as that is just pure arrogance and disrespectful.

You guys have literally thousands of games that you can pick that you consider games now days.

You can bet your ass that you will get your #34343 generic shooter very soon.

[Condemnedman]

Yep and we will still be playing it when your 50 to 60 pounds has disappeared into the bargain bins. I don't have a problem with a game of this type but imagine if you have brought this on a whim, chances are you will be disappointed.

[WelkinCole]

/\/\
Why do you concern yourself about how I spend my money?.

This game has given me enough entertainment value for my money and will be added to my gaming collection since 1985. Better this then me wasting more time grinding in Destiny for little value with time and can use for more productive work.

If someone buys this game on a whim then it's his/her problem if the product is not to his/her liking.

The game was advertised exactly as it is. If someone bought it on a whim thinking it was an open world RPG and get pissed then who's fault is that?.

Stupid points.

[Mr-Dude]

I bought it, I liked it. Thats important for me, not what X1 fanboys thinks or attention seekers like "cliffy b"

Just my thoughts

[JMyers]

@theFro

The Walking Dead and TellTale games say hello. Some of the best games and stories I've had the pleasure of playing. Yes playing.

[Fro_xoxo]

@badz149

Telltale games are "graphic novels" or "adventure" games. The fact that you're comparing The Order, a third-person action 'game' to a genre where tale telling is the priority, PROVES MY POINT. These games even have an episodic structure to them. Hint Hint.

Also, telltale games aren't priced at €69.99/$60.

I don't know about you, but I don't buy big budget AAA titles to have controls taken away from me far too often.

And, When I finally get to play. I don't get to do much of it. Oh, wait. The 'game' is over already.

The Order might have done better as a "graphic novel". Not as a TPS.

[hkgamer]

Cliffy seems to be a nice guy. A developer should be professional when talking about other games and shouldn't really step out of line.

He talks a lot about how the cutscenes were too much and had a bit too many qte parts. I wonder if Santa Monica studios had part to do with this?

[abstractel]

I understand the opinions on this game are divided, as evidenced by theFro's first post's agrees and disagrees.

Is it worth $60? In my mind _YES_. Either you like the overly cinematic style or you don't. I do.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of things that could have been improved.

Cons: they could have spent more time in the shooting sections. Not being able to take cover behind the tables and piano was an oversight. Hand-holding in the first 45 minutes is a bit much. QTEs are also heavy handed and they should have listened to early feedback.

Pros: Best take-downs I've seen and the gunplay is really satisfying to me. Story and story-telling; Fantastic. Graphics; it's a work of art.

But I haven't agreed with the reviews in a year (Killzone, Infamous SS, AC Unity, Dying Light (where are the reviews for that one actually?), Driveclub, Watch Dogs and so on).

Predictably Bloodborne will get 9+'s everywhere which it will deserve, but to say that a game like this shouldn't exist by giving it 6 and 7s is poor. Only Gametrailers got it right with a 8.2. (Also the ones to have given Infamous SS and Killzone decent scores).

Thinking about God of War with this graphical quality makes my mouth water.

[Pastorfuzz]

Anybody notice that you can't see yourself in the mirrors in this game? Not to nitpick but you could in Deus Ex.

[RoKStevonidas]

BEZGRAPHICKSEVAR.

[LoveForGames]

Gaming is about being entertained... and this is what The Order 1886 did exactly for me - it entertained me! With a few short comings but it was a great expirience

[thricetold]

Thanks for this. Made me realize there are tons of people who look at the gaming hobby as just something to do to pass the time until something else pops up to entertain them for a little bit.

Shame my favorite hobby has been mainstreamed. Don't hear many car hobbyist saying they rebuilt that 69 transmission because it was "entertaining" or gave him something to do for half a day until something else.

[Dramacydal]

Games shouldn't be one-size-fits-all. There's a place for everything. It's getting more and more ridiculous, seeing developers prop-up their own family to speak their view. Rather than manning up and saying how he felt, while actually gaming WITH his pops, he came across as Maury delivering baby daddy results.

Point is this - like what you want. Be mad at the half-ass marketing or the studio for being unable to clearly communicate what the hell this game is. Not the game. There are many examples of this exact type of gameplay, being welcomed and enjoyed. If it's not your thing, cool, but don't act like this is the first game this gen offering last gen gameplay - Unity, Ryse, Dead Rising, Killzone, Knack, Smash, Pikmin, Mario, etc. All good games offering nothing mind-blowing or even expectant of an 8th gen video game.

We'll get there. Quantum Break, MGSV, Silent Hills, and Uncharted 4 all look like the step forward the PS4 and Xbox One should've launched with. At least Wii-U came with the tablet.

[UKmilitia]

telltale games have more video and more qte than the order ,infact tell tale games have been boring for me.

but i enjoiyed the order.

a game cant be made for everyone to love.
specially the sheep and kids that need perks and emblems popping up every 2 seconds.

[MysticStrummer]

Damn. Every time I forget Cliff exists he pipes up. I'm not even looking to see what he said. I just don't care whether he liked it or not.

[johndoe11211]

Why the hell does anyone care what he thinks??? For some reason people seem to think that he invented cover based shooters and all similar games must be compared to gears.

[MysticStrummer]

"For some reason people seem to think that he invented cover based shooters and all similar games must be compared to gears"

Bingo!

[bloop]

I have no idea either as to why Cliff is regarded as one of the "founding fathers" of cover shooters as many have come before it. But there's no denying the Gears trilogy set the bar for the genre with some of the tightest controls. The guy has made some quality games so it is interesting to see what he thinks of other developers. He's still a douche tho!!!

[ShabzS]

Well killswitch did it first but sure. Regardless of his contribution to the cover mechanic or the walk while we talk mechanic cliff is an industry veteran who speaks his mind. lol regardless that what he speaks belongs in an episode of jersey shore or not can be debated but he speaks his mind. I love video games. And hearing about games from someone who makes it is quite
fascinating.

[krypt1983]

@ShabzS that right tells me you don't know what the hell you are talking about winback released on n64 in 1999 the game had a great cover system killswitch came out in 2003. Hate on cliffy all you guys want he revolutionized the tps scene and gears is a billion dollar franchise so his opinion is more then valid..

[ShabzS]

@krypt1983... yeesh man alright. if winback did it before that then thats fine. i stand corrected. I'm not hating on cliff. gears was my first cover shooter and i love those games. even judgement. maybe judgement even more so. i remember watching the making of gears1 documentary and hating the guy and how his girl friend broke up with him and how he reacted to all that. man he seemed like a kid. BUt like i said. he's an industry veteran now and hearing about his opinion on games is fascinating.

[UnHoly_One]

But you'll read a review that is just the opinion of some random dude, so what's the difference with reading his opinion?

[MysticStrummer]

Actually no I don't. I lost faith in reviews back in the PS1 days.

[Ducky]

Thanks for popping in and letting us all know how much you don't care.

[yarbie1000]

"I just see this as a fucking big experience that the money could have been spent in some other places to get a better bang for buck.

But you know, Sony needs to sell consoles. I always call it a system justifier. Look at these looks. It clearly looks better than PS3. That’s what they’re gunning for." ~Cliffy B

[MysticStrummer]

Riiight, because up until now PS4 has been selling badly…?

You just confirmed my opinion of this guy.

[tman7302]

He never said the console is selling bad. He is saying Sony is a business, they need to sell more consoles, how do we sell more consoles? We make games prettier. To executives...awesome presentation (example graphics) = sales.

He is talking from a management perspective on how to budget the cost on other assets (if it were his game). Don't get butthurt, everyone has their vision and business model.

Though you just confirmed my opinion that you obviously don't know jacks*** on how the gaming industry works.

[Ace_Pheonix]

@tma7302 Actually, PlayStation pretty much leaves devs alone to make the product they want to make. Almost every developer has praised them for this. R@D made the game they wanted to make, maybe it's not the game you wanted them to make, but you can get what you want elsewhere, while people who understand R@Ds vision and appreciate that kind of game will be glad to get something different than just another other "Gears clone". PlayStation has always been about producing variety in their offerings. That's why fans love their products so much. Just like how XBOX fans love them for giving them what they want. The same kind of game over and over again.

[Muzikguy]

Cliffy has no room to talk. People are always critical of things. I could just as easily tell him where he should be spending his money on too! You don't do that, makes you sound like an asshole.

@iTech
Spot on friend well said

[freshslicepizza]

people are so desperate for new games and sony always wants a showpiece to show the power of their consoles. i've said it before, if this were $40 nobody would say boo but pricing for aaa games are ridiculous and should not all be placed in the same marketplace.

[Baka-akaB]

People complained for Ground Zeroes and its pricing , and even called it a demo , so no they'd still moan and complain whatever the price for the short cinematic and/or QTE based gameplay .

The issue comes with the utter lack of acceptance that the game might not be for them , despite all the warnings since day one .

[freshslicepizza]

you're right and that is why they lowered the price before release because of the negative feedback towards it being short. did they lower the price for the order?

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

the price was never $60 to begin with

[Baka-akaB]

And did they stop moaning at the new price ? of course not , it didnt even actually stopped , people just moved on to things to complain about ... my point still stands .

For everyone's info , i'm not even buying the Order nor hellbent on defending it . I have too much on my plate , and will only buy stuff again with the release of Bloodborne and Type 0 .

I like what i saw , and plan on squeezing it someday .. who knows maybe right before the Witcher 3 .

I just got nothing per se against QTE based adventures , obviously short , for a change of routine . I still played Asura's Wrath after all

[joeorc]

Exactly! This game was built from the core concept's to introduce you as the player to the Order:

What has become very clear ,the largest complaint is this idea that what R@D did was the wrong thing to do from a gamer perspective! And that is just not true at all if you look at the basis of this game was built on. Many I think are looking at what they want the Order to be, not what the developers idea of how they wanted to introduce the player to the order. It was developed as a intro to the games world from one of and a group of the knight's, the developers already went over this well before the game even released.

1) today gaming consoles games are no more just static content limited. You have DLC post release.

Which means unlike consoles in the past that you were locked into what released, was it, many games were only really limited what you could do post release as a developer? Yes in a time where there was no internet you bet,while today we have an advantage and rightly do because the developer cannot only fix such problems if there is a bug more handy to be able to do so with DLC, but also if the publisher and developer built the game with DLC in mind if they want to add content post release.

Which R@D already stated that this game was set to launch in post release with lots of DLC, what that is or how much is we have to wait for the content. For all we know other DLC would or could be from a 2nd , knight or group of knight's exploits during the same year in 1886 meeting more than just a ware creature!

This was an intro for the player into the Order: its like reading a book about the exploit of a knight a somewhat teaching moment and as a warning of what some things you may have to expect, instead of reading about it they are showing you.

In a release of a Multi-player component do you think it will just established knights only how about your very own knight?

The concept for the Order was not just to throw in other such game play elements off the bat because you could, it was about bringing you into the Order: its like bringing you into the masons: or eastern star.

2) this game, was designed as from the story of one group of Knights "the Order" see that right there, the idea about the Knights of the round table. The exploits of the knights are was from that knights past!. You are playing that knight or Knight's past expoit. The idea that many gamer's are upset that you cannot branch the knights exploit is upsetting to some gamers it would so seem to be the case. But remember
You can be told a story by reading or being shown the things certain knights had gone through. R@D wanted to show you just a hint at what is going on.

3) the concept of the Order is not to direct the player away from the core of that charater in this case it was to start you off giving you an idea of just a taste of what the world is about and from that character or group of charaters or the characters view on other knights from his perspective.

Do you think the Order's knight's only has shape shifters to worry about?

What is other older such knight's not telling me?

That is why R@D stated post DLC was very important for this franchise. Again many gamers may feel they could gather less of the story elements in certain way and just give more game play..which is true for themselves, but the developer had a vision on how to bring players into the games background and world, some may not like that or some will. For me I cannot wait to see what R@D has next up in the Order.

[kratoz1209]

Played it 4 hours straight last night,
Really enjoyed it just passed the bridge level, atmosphere is incredible

[LOL_WUT]

Man that intro though! It really makes you want to play from start to finish. Ive done the first 2 chapters and so far I'm enjoying it ;)

[isa_scout]

I played it 9 hours straight through today. Man the sequel should be crazy. I hope that the critical reception of this game doesn't deter Sony and R@D from doing a sequel. I remember the absolutely horrible reviews for Killzone on PS2 and luckily Sony stuck it out with Guerilla Games and created Killzone 2 and 3. The Order deserves another entry.

[Silly gameAr]

Wow, how did this shoot up to 220 in 15 minutes?

Got a lot of respect for Cliffy, but I wasn't really looking for his opinion on the game.

[DragonbornZ]

It was rising while pending.

And its w/e ya know. It's cool to get the big TPS dogs opinion while watching him play it ourselves imo.

I think it'd be kinda cool to see a dev from Bayonetta play through and share their opinion on a bit of scalebound later. Not asking for it either but, ya know, kinda neat.

Hmm, I think what's his name said scalebound plays like Bayonetta. my mistake if I'm wrong.

[MelvinTheGreat]

Then why come here in the first place?

[Metallox]

But you were the one that literally looked up for his opinion!

[Gore-Content]

I'm in chapter 4 (took me about 2.5 hours to get there), and yeah long cutscenes really break the pace. And there's lots of (boring) walking around. Little action so far, but when it happens, it's really good.

[Bennibop]

Have just platinumed the order (it took me around 8hrs) have to say I really enjoyed it. Great story driven game the likes I have not seen for some years.

[purp13m0nk3y]

I played a few hrs last night. Was an absolute blast. I can't wait to sit down tonight and progress further into the story. Haters gunna hate. But just ignore those clowns who are missing out and enjoy this great game.

[Bennibop]

It's funny people seem to disagree that I enjoyed it!

[kamakaze321]

I like watching Cliffy get so irritated that he has to watch a story. Like he didn't do the same thing in Gears of War :)
What the hell..
Some kids hopped up on Mountain Dew and energy drinks will not want to sit and watch somehting, they're going to slam this because it has story driven pace.

Not all games are like Halo and Gears of War...
This game (is) going for a cinematic story telling approach, creating an atmosphere to accommodate that.
To slam it for that just makes you look dense. Like your trying to put a triangle block into a square hole. This game is what it is. It's not trying to out do modern day arcade shooters, it's trying to tell a story and have elements of combat that are relate able to the story.

The game is amazing 4 hours in, just play it for what it is...

[Volkama]

In fairness, he said more than once that gears had become too focused on big budget cinematics and set pieces. His views on The Order are consistent with what he's been saying about games for several years.

[USMC_POLICE]

Why is cliffs the father of cover shooters when rainbow six Vegas camout at the same time as gears and kill switch years before those.

[captainexplosion]

Because those games sucked and didn't do it as well as Gears of War. Gears of war is synonymous with the genre.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Gears was pretty average IMO. Good yes. But hardly a benchmark in game design.

Uncharted does cover based shooting way better than Gears. Plus there were many games years prior that did it better.

Gears only got the attention it did because it was pretty and had an interesting setting/story. Gameplay was average at best.

[captainexplosion]

@purpmonkey
LOL at Gears of War having "average gameplay at best," and, "only getting attention because of an interesting story." Bravo on perhaps the stupidest thought anyone has ever had. And just because you think so doesn't make it true. Gears of war has a 94% on Metacritic and is beloved by fans. When you have an opinion that is contrary to well-known, rational thought you should probably re-think it.

[Moldiver]

"Gears only got the attention it did because it was pretty and had an interesting setting/story. Gameplay was average at best."

Wow, talk about reaching. Gears had stellar gameplay. The fact that it has millions of hours logged is a testament to its gameplay credentials. Never mind the order..few games can claim to match gears as what it does. That is why its still the best TPS.

I dont have to diss the order to make that point. Gears has earned its stripes. 3 times over. Judgement was the only weak one, and even then it was a solid game.

@Baka-akaB

R6:vegas was one of the most popular games on XBL along with gears. I used to switch between them with my friends. also R6 was an FPS with a 3rd person cover mechanic. It brought its own twist to the cover mechanic, and was loved on XBL for it. You wont hear any xbox guys dissing R6: vegas as it was associated with the early days of X360 and XBLG, as a go-to multiplayer experience. Xbox clans were formed on that game. Mine included.

[Baka-akaB]

Why ? Because there are people telling you that Rainbow Six Vegas sucked ...

BTW resident evil 4 also came before , but whatever no one knows that game...

Joking aside it's the usual trope and bad habit from the press and people to always pick one popular game , and tying and likening every else remotely close to it .

Just like suddenly everything with a sword became a skyrim or Oblivion copy

[WelkinCole]

I remember playing Killzone liberation on PSP before gears and it has 3rd person cover shooting if I remember correctly.

Kill switch on xbox though was where I first played 3rd person cover shooting. It was a cool game.

[fanboysmackdown]

This game is one big boring bellyflop........followed by a cutscene.

[purp13m0nk3y]

And you know because you watched a shite compressed YouTube video?

How about play the game before hating on it.

F'kn sheep!

[Moldiver]

"And you know because you watched a shite compressed YouTube video?"

This comment would make sense if he was talking about graphics. You dont need uncompressed video to determine how interesting a game looks to you. In your rush to play defence you didnt read icheerbothconsole's (guy needs a shorter name.) comment properly.

[mochachino]

I love cutscenes they aren't the problem. A lot of great game rely on cut scenes to tell engaging stories. Apparently the Order didn't use them properly.

[Spotie]

Though, apparently, that's being sad by people that have't played and have no intention of playing the game.

Check out DougLord, yarbie, and moldybread. See how frequently they slam The Order in their comments. Now I dare you to find even one comment where they say anything remotely resembling, "This game looks interesting."

Edit: Seriously, man? Do you love supporting trolls?

I don't know what you THINK you've connected me to, but you should try not being such a biased fanboy, yourself. What I've said is that I don't have to play a game to know if it's for me or not. Nothing about disappointment, get your facts straight... not that you give a damn about anything like facts. I was disappointed something I thought would be there wasn't; I couldn't be disappointed in the game until I played it. It was adequate, nothing more.

That said, I also didn't launch or join an unwarranted hate campaign against Titanfall. I remarked on two things: the lack of content, particularly for a multiplayer-only game; and that the game made me think it would have larger battles than it did. Feel free to check multiplayer trailers of the time, though I know you won't. You'd rather pretend people are just flat-out lying, even though you know otherwise.

I'm amazed at how you and a few others around here can do that: defend an article or a user who's obviously in the wrong. You never want to debate whatever the actual point is; you'd rather ONLY try and discredit the other person, as if that will make their point less valid. For some reason, though, it's okay for you to stalk people around the site, posting barely or not at all related comments with no repercussions.

Strange, since this is supposed to be some sort of Sony fanboy site, right?

[maniacmayhem]

Why do they have to say the game looks interesting. Weren't you just linked to a past comment saying that you don't have to play a game to be disappointed?

[WilDRangeRfc]

Sony fans did the same with Titanfall,difference being TF is an incredible FPS

[ballisticvoodoo]

@mochachino apparently you haven't played the game.

[Elda]

Played an hour so far,taking a small break just to comment & so far I'm loving it!..this game is gorgeous!

[mastershredder]

"considered among the founding fathers of the cover shooter genre"

Founding fathers? No....but he sure borrowed a lot from them.

[hello12]

Gears was average you guys haven't got a clue.

Watch a Gears 3 event and learn something about the game.

http://www.twitch.tv/hypefe... its live now.

Cliffy created one of best games of the last ten years, he opinion is important and to add i haven't watched this video so have know clue what he said.

[WilDRangeRfc]

Gears is an institution in gaming,only those who have played MP from 1 all the way through to even Judgement,went from 0.5 kd to 1.9 kd,practising and improving their skills could understand how great and important the franchise is to millions,some people just dont get Gears and its their loss,TLOUR MP is my Gears fix until Gears 4 and The Division,the MP and the game in general are fantastic,never spent so much time on a TPS MP since Gears,if you dont have a PS4 get one for TLOUR MP its insane

[DanteVFenris666]

Only played gears a little bit but I wouldn't call it the holy grail of third person shooters. Neither can I name some other title that I think deserves it any more. Different games for different tastes. I like the gore and bodies exploding from gears, the enemies are fun to chop through but it's not this holy grail as some people like you guys like to believe. Neither is halo, actually any game that someone considers the absolute best just needs to play more games.

[christocolus]

Cliffy B. one of my favorite devs.would love if this guy joined Rod and the team at blacktusk on the new Gears. :(

[blakstarz]

Clearly...this game isn't for everyone and that's fine.....I myself can't wait to play it, I like the cinematic and the story behind it.

I like The Order for being "different" rather than the norm that's out. I can see this game doing for me like Heavy Rain did....gripping!

[HeavenlySnipes]

An hour of the guy beside Cliff d riding Gears of War

[WizzroSupreme]

Cliffy B can sure make a point when he wants to.

[PudgeyBurrito]

He's an arrogant douche. He already had a perception about the game before he picked up the controller. What a joke.

[EvoNeonLover19]

I don't understand the problem with long cutscenes. If there's a story that needs to be told how else is going to be portrayed? They even made the cutscenes interactive. I'm pretty sure metal gear solid 4 had extremely long ccutscenes, but that was a great game.

[blakstarz]

Exactly....Metal Gear games are/where notorious for this and Final Fantasy games...so I don't understand what all the bitchin' is about.

[coolman229]

Cutscenes aren't bad, and long cutscenes aren't bad. I'm a big fan of Metal Gear...well the good ones. MGS3 had some long cutscenes. And they were very good. I enjoyed every single one. I only started skipping them on about my 4th playthrough. But you know what? It also had a LOT of gameplay. I regularly had playthroughs at the minimum of 16 hours.

However The Order takes things too far and shows that it has much more focus on the cutscenes than with the gameplay. I watched a full playthrough that was 5 1/2 hours and a lot of that was cutscenes. When the bulk of a game is cutscenes that's not a good sign.

Also one of MGS4's biggest criticisms is that it had an absurd amount of cutscenes. It had almost 10 hours worth of cutscenes, and it's story was even dumber than The Order's. So comparing it to MGS4 is not a good thing. But even MGS4 had more gameplay than The Order.

[LightDiego]

The same guy that defends microtransactions and wrote articles for Kotaku.

[x_RadicalAura_x]

I don't understand how this dude manages to get along with Kojima, considering he seems to hate cutscenes so much. The MGS games are some of the most cutscene heavy games ever.

It's probably just cause Kojima can barely even understand what Cliff is saying half the time. ;)

[tman7302]

The cutscene wasn't the point. The point was he couldn't skip the cutscene and is forced to watch them every time.

[x_RadicalAura_x]

Why in the hell would you want to skip the cutscenes on your first playthrough?! Not every game is a bro shooter with no storyline.

[DanteVFenris666]

Me personally I hate skipping cutscenes. When I was a kid that feature annoyed me but now that I'm grown up I appreciate the story and work out into these scences. And now never skip cut scences no matter how many playthroughs as they are part of experience

[masa2009]

Not a huge fan of MGS, which has its problems, but you have to admit that MGS has more personality than this gameplay wise.

[Speak_da_Truth]

After playing this game for almost 4 hours I can say its a fun game I LIKE the graphics, the story and the gameplay but fuck those shotgun guys lol. I like the game

[joeorc]

There is a solution for those guy's, Arc gun...zzzzzzaaaap, head-be-gone..local, or thermite gun...the sounds those gun makes I could image some knights off in the distance that hear it go off get a smile knowing its being used to fix a monster or a monster supporter that needs punished. Some knights love the job way to much...those poor monster's...LMAO

[Speak_da_Truth]

Using the arc gun on the bridge section was sooooo satisfying and yeah the sound fx was amazing!!!

[bsquwhere]

You people act like they were forcing you to buy it. From day f'n one R@D said they wanted to make a particular type of game. If people paid as much attention to what R@D said as they did random websites looking for hits, they wouldn't be so disappointed. It seems pretty clear they wanted to do something different, now with all this press and people spewing hate, they won't do it again.

[PudgeyBurrito]

The guy on the left is annoying. Also, Gears looks like Unreal yet he refers to this as looking like gears. Gears used the Unreal engine and he is taking credit for it. An old Xbox Dev doing a video of a game that got bad reviews after the fact.. Sad.

[sikadelic_mu53]

I personally really enjoyed this game. I found every single collectible, while enjoying what Red At Dawn/Sony gave me---a beautiful, fun game. It gave a nice twist to the old lore of London to boot.

[acemonkey]

lol an dev that has done business for Xb for years lol. thanks for another pro-xb opinion.

[Adolph Fitler]

Cliff is a big mouth clown... We all know that he is a great developer...BUT, when I read he was one of the founding fathers of cover based shooters, I both laughed, & whispered BULLSHITE, under my breath... The author of this, couldn't even get his history right... The fact is, PS2's Killswitch came WAAAAAAY before Gears, & Gears copies it, almost exactly, as far as feel & controls go.... In fact, Killswitch, from memory, (as I finished it), was actually faster & more responsive than Gears.. Gears was just really graphically impressive, at that time...
And, I don't even think Killswitch was the 1st cover based shooter to arrive...it was just THE FIRST & GRANDADDDY, of doing it really well.... Gears just had more hype, money & BS behind it, to help it garner the success that Killswitch never had the chance to.. Anyway, point is, that the story is incorrect, as Killswitch did the same thing, years ahead of MS's big, dumb, monster hit.... & Winback on N64 may have also done it way before Gears.. Can't exactly remember Winbacks gameplay.

The Order is awesome...so keep silent Blezinski,....otherwise, hurry up & deliver something better. I would settle for a PS4/XBO new Unreal Tournament....I would even settle for a HD remake of Unreal Tournament 2, with heavily reprogrammed online gameplay (eliminating the LAG, these titles are ALWAYS prone to, especially on console)...
I would also settle for the PC vs PSN online competitive aspect that the GOD awful (due to horrendous LAG) Unreal on PS4 suffered from.

The order is awesome....f&$k the haters, acting like little biatches, because it didn't come to the console you own, or they just plain hate Sony with a passion.. So, they can pick apart EVERY game Sony releases, no matter how good... And when that can't be denied, there answer, "oh, I'm not into those types of games anyway".

[WilDRangeRfc]

I am a PS4 and X1 owner and prefer PS4 but please be quiet with your BS,Killswitch better than Gears?? Yeah ok you have never played Gears or enjoyed the truly unique and unmatched MP,infact have you ever played an Xbox? Killswitch better than Gears lol,I suppose Killzone is better than Halo aswell GTFO

[gijsbrecht]

Yep, Killzone is better than Halo.

[TKCMuzzer]

I played Gears Of War and completed it, I also disliked the multiplyer and thought it was average. It's all about preference. Gears Of War was a good game, one of the best I've played? No not buy a long shot but you see, thats my opinion.
Don't get me started on Halo, I have never been as miffed with a franchise as I am with Halo, I don't get it, I don't understand why people think its so great (Yes I've played them all and Halo one is still the best of the lot) the single players are nothing special and the multiplayer is as annoying as hell. Killzone 2 was one of the best multiplayer experiences of last gen and deserved to be played by more players, the organized clan matches against other decent clans were some of the most intense and rewarding of any game, again this my opinion.

[GCO Gamer]

You guys are being onesided, Halo revolutionized the FPS and Gears revolutionized the cover based shooter they both made them work on a large scale. That's why they are so good.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I think it is a generational issue as Cliffy is still young compared to some gamers like my 40+ self. I've seen games evolve greatly since the early 80's variety and see no threat from games becoming more story based. As a matter of fact games like Heavy Rain excited me greatly.

To be honest I'm sure the Order would have garnered greater acclaim if it followed familiar formulas, but it wasn't the vision. It is just not Cliffy's game, just like I rarely if ever play MP and stay away from FPS and RPGs. I loved Gears, but was rather disappointed in the story. Same with Assassin's Creed. Same with Destiny two weeks in.

[plmkoh]

This is the same guy who invented those segments where your character chats on radio for ages whilst walking at a snail pace.

[poor_cus_of_games]

Exactly! Well said. I hated having to wait until Marcus stopped chatting until I could move faster again. That guy is a hypocrite who hasn't made a decent game in years.

[Tedakin]

Hah those chat parts lasted about 20 seconds and were spread out. Half the game wasn't chatting parts like in The Order. And to say he hasn't made a decent game in years. The last game he made was Gears 3 which was the best of that entire series.

[kingbain90]

The Order was marketed wrong, it was marketed as a traditional game thats more cinematic. It should've been sold similar to walking dead.
3 seasons $30 each. It would've got high score across the board.

[ironmonkey]

The game is actually amazing and entertaining I'm at the bridge part as well stopped for the night. People are expecting every game to Be open world now like gta or destiny but to the older crowd like myself I think this is a good cater.

[mobijoker]

Move on guys!!! This games is neither exceptional nor bulls**t... Yes its highly cinematic but it does not reach half the height of cinematic game like Heavy Rain...Gameplay is minimal...Another mediocre "AAA" game this gen...Publishers and Devs are going for easy money this gen...We, who buy the games with our hard-earned money, are the only losers...Games that are exceptional get praise from everywhere...Look at Dragon Age Inquisition, Far Cry 4, Last of Us remastered, Bayonetta 2...Does this game stand a chance against these masterpieces...No!!!...

[Reddzfoxx]

wow is the ps4 camera a potato? I am glad I didn't get it with mine.

[Ch1d0r1]

Anyone playing this on hard difficulty? If so how is it.

[quenomamen]

Ooooh that's right now that he milked the crap out of the cover shooter he thinks it's over done and old, who would of thought. Thanks Cliffy you can go back to doing nothing now.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

So glad I didn't buy this, I freaking hate cut scenes.

[Petebloodyonion]

I guess peoples are forgetting why review exist.

Review are made to give us a comparison between 2 similar product and help us make a choice.

Now we can say that a Telltales games get a great score for telling a story and whining how come the Order isn't getting the same praise.
Well it's easy
I'm sure the Order would had actually score a 8 or a 9 if the game was the same price as a Telltales game meaning 15$

That's the problem that peeps are avoiding here.
What can I get for 60$ and what can I get for 20$

If Uncharted 2 is a 9 then how does the Order compare to it in package value or against The last of us.
Then it's easy to see why this game is a average game.

[joeorc]

And some developer's may give out large post DLC for low price or free to the player!

Example:

Other Key points from developer Q&A sessions:

The storyline has been planned from 1886 to the present day. He reiterated that the story has to make sense to him through that timeline.

Knights are replaced and chosen by the order when one dies.

The biggest inspirations for the game were Metal Gear Solid, Alien, James Bond and The Last of Us.

Do people not freaking get this!

The Order:1886 was set to bring you as the player into the "order"

Expect DLC! For this game and more games in the series

[Themba76]

it's amazing how many ppl forget shenmue. that game is pretty much like this one walking talking and cut scenes and all qte's yet ppl hype that game to no end.

[SaveFerris]

"I just can’t do all the cutscenes guys. Call me jaded. I’ll probably go back to it, give it a go. A lot of people really worked their ass off, and I hope I didn’t offend anybody with my commentary here. I just had a little bit of fun with it, and don’t punch me in the nuts at GDC if you see me."

Yeah, I wouldn't want to get punched in the nuts by Andrea Pessino (CTO R@D) either.

[dolfa]

if the price was about 20 dollar it would be worth the game length, i'd definetly buy this interactive 5h movie.

[LoveSpuds]

I was really worried when the reviews started hitting because of their generally negative leanings.

I am at chapter XIII and so far I have loved it. I am completely sucked in by the story, amazed by the presentation and excitec by the shootouts.

While I can see that the walking speed in some sections would annoy some I am a bit weird because that is how I play most of my 3rd person games. Its almost like roleplaying to me, when I played TLoU for example, I would walk everywhere and suck in the atmoshere because I felt that it would be unrealistic to run everywhere. People dont run in there everyday travelling, I dont run around my house or at the office where I work.

This game made me want to walk anyway so I really have no complaints about this game at all. I feel like games reviewers are becoming more and more out of touch with the audience.

[Themba76]

wow ppl hate the order yet ppl worship shenmue btw shenmue is %100 qte anyone see the hypocrisy in this

[coolman229]

Because Shenmue is actually a good game

[snoopgg]

Man this game seems like it plays like that Metal Gear Solid game on the ps3. That game was more cutscenes then actual game. Is this what The Order plays like.

[TKCMuzzer]

Let the haters hate, I'm bored of these articles but let them continue, it keeps the game in the spotlight and people who are trying to down it are inadvertently helping to promote it.
The more the reviews are poles part the more gamers are willing to ignore them and find out for themselves as the trust in reviews dissolves away.

[corroios]

What i want to see is what will be the scores of a game from microsoft that will have QTE and lots of cutscenes.

I want to see if all the mags will do the same they did with the Order, but i can already say that they will not and will get a free pass. Forget about the story, content, rez, gameplay, length, linear...

[Predaking77]

I am glad that in these days, reviews and or haters doesn't dictated the success of a game. Remember all the hate about Drive Club? It ended up being the number 1 exclusive game of 2014 in Europe and after many laugh, it ended up being a Forza killer after all.

Despite all, I believe The Order will sell well enough to be considered a success commercially speaking because people these doesn't trust reviews or haters.

[Ryan741]

Its not a bad game by any means just not a great one. When it comes to Sony exclusives this gen we should be expecting more than just average, and so far that's all that's been released. Hopefully Bloodborne changes this trend.

[TKCMuzzer]

@Ryan741
Why just Sony? Just interested why you think only one of the three companies should be producing high quality exclusives.

[Jazz4108]

I really hope Sony and rad recoups the money on this game. That is where it's at now.

[Gwiz]

The father's of Gears of War and Killzone playing this had to be annoyed by the cut-scenes,i know i would.

[Father__Merrin]

it's great to have a game to critique over I think it will be a success andnpaventhe way for a sequel.

it's actually better that gamers have something new to play and critique rather than Nothing!!!...

[Kuma]

This game is evreything destiny wasn't. It has a real story. The low reviews made me not expect much but I am on ch 3 and I give it a 9.5

[BladerunnerZX]

The Dude Bros have Spoken !
The Order is not a game for the Gears of War crowd.
Some of us gamers enjoy a good story with nice graphics and good control.
If the future of video games is nothing but COD clones and Gears of War clones I will stop gaming completely.

[cruzngta]

Its a bold hybrid interactive movie/game imo. I love the graphics and it has alot of cutscenes but that is how the devs envisioned the game. They are trying something new here and I think the sequel it sets itself up for will have more gameplay elements and maybe a coop or mp mode. Just a dev taking a chance and testing the waters when you really look at it. Then again Sony has always had alot of games each gen that corner a niche crowd and look amazing and give a unique experience. I remember when Lair and Heavenly Sword came out on PS3. I loved them both and Lair got terrible reviews but it looked unreal as did Heavenly Sword. Lets hope RAD makes the sequel and builds on it by learning from the first what fans like and want more of.

[IrisHeart]

You guys still making this ps4 vs x0ne? Sigh.

[Cure]

so finally cleared the game and i was impressed but also a bit let down.

people who stated that they cancelled their preorder etc etc are losing out.

i was let down because i was expecting uncharted/TLOU level of story telling but that was my own expectation. after i release that this is their first attempt at a AAA game it dawn on me that the game did a good job story wise when i just look at it as for what it was.

it starts of a bit slow but man does it pick up middle way through. i was abit shock to really figure out what the game is actually about. the world they create is awesome and they have so much potential to carry this forward in an awesome way. i predict order 2 will get the same praise as uncharted 2 did.

graphically the order is a beast. best graphics to date period. no one can argue that.

gameplay - was fun, they introduce new weapons every other chapter to get u to try something new and keep it fresh. i feel they can still tweak to make the game play abit more smoother from cover to standing but they did a good job. the lighting rifle is awesome.

things that lacked about the game to me was that there were no big set pieces. COD has them , uncharted has them, when a game looks this amazing i just wished there were some big set pieces that would just take your breathe away.

now that they have done their first game, its not uncharted great but its a very good solid game and i recommend people to pick it up. now that they have their foundation, they know how the PS4 works, i can only expect order 2 will be the same as what uncharted 2 was for naughty dog.

oh and the trophies are pretty easy to obtain which is a bonus, i hate when trophies are so hard or evolve grinding.

[jmidd00]

Games cost $60 movies cost $4.99. Any questions?

[Cure]

car cost $40K - bus/subway transit cost $4? like whats your point??

your paying $60 for a game/experience, games cost to produce FYI. If you feel that you wouldnt like it then dont pay $60.

all the hate is mostly coming from people who havent even played the game. im not going lie i had huge expectation for this game, and the first 3 hrs in i was like oh man it can be this off. but i finished the game now and the game turned out to be very good.

remember people, this game is a movie type theme game. ready@dawn said it themselves, they want to make it a movie like experience. by doing that you get the longer but stunning cutscenes, the black bars on screen - if your expecting more like uncharted then obviously you will think the game sucks but if you look at what they were trying to do it actually a solid game.

i think if they were to move abit away from trying to make it a movie like game and focus on the whole story telling and giving us abit more freedom to explore their amazing world ...i think they will have an epic classic on their hands

[hongthay]

You know MGS4 was basically the same thing for PS3, minus the QTE. It was a technical powerhouse with lots of cutscenes. You can finish the entire game in less than 4 hours. Still that was one of the best games for the first year.

I am picking up the Order 1886 within the next week, and am hoping that just like MGS4, it will provide me with a memorable experience that shows just how far graphically the console can be pushed.

[fayz]

remember how the sony girls complained about ryse quick-time events...

[zodiac909]

and why does anyone give a damn about what he says???

[modelgod]

Games like the walking dead and game of thrones don't costs 59.99$ and doesn't have a huge budget and you know what type of game your getting idiot. Just get over the fact that the order is straight trash. Ps4 is all flash and no substance so far. TLOU remake is the only exclusive worth buying. It is what it is, stick to your indie games and hope bloodborne doesn't flop as well. I Swear when it comes to Sony you guys come up with every excuse under the sun. If a consists of you square, circle,square, you'll swear it's the future of gameplay. And minus the cut sense, it is 5 hours.

[cyclindk]

Personally i think it's a fairly boring gsme, but it is pretty. I think if it tried to be a little more like resident evil 5 (with options and things, the meleee combat, et cetera) it would fir better.

[bnoyes]

Man, this was hard to watch. Not just because the game isn't very good, but it was painful to listen to all the stupid shit Cliff says, and then have to listen to the other guy's fake laugh every time Cliff tries to be funny.

[ebounce88]

Seriously who cares what this guy thinks? Yeah, Ill give him credit for Gears 1.. That was a great game and very exciting for its time. Even give credit for Unreal even though I was never playing it. But again, who cares what he thinks! He acts like he is the god of video game creators. Gears sucks now get over it!

[Morpheuzpr]

The fact that he had to look at the controller to check what the button was tells me all I need to know.