'The Order: 1886' Developer Makes A Flawed Argument About Game Length

Now that Evolve has launched last week, the other major console release of the month is The Order: 1886, the Sony PS4 exclusive developed by Ready at Dawn and SCE Santa Monica, who between them have been responsible for PlayStation’s famed God of War series over the years.

Naturally, it wouldn’t be a major game release without some sort of controversy, and the issue this time is an old one, a debate about game length that was sparked by a YouTuber uploading what he claims is the entire game online, which clocks in at just over five and a half hours, including the game’s lengthy integrated cutscenes.

Aloy-Boyfriend3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

I'm really sorry for ready At Dawn for all the hate and criticism this game has got prior release. It's insane! You know your game is the most hated game when hater photoshop screenshots to claim downgrade and you game gets daily articles about the same thing. As someone excited for this game I feel really annoyed for the lack of respect toward this tittle and RaD. Not liking this generation of gamers so far...

Just before this we had people concerned about the gameplay. The gameplay has been proven to be good, and now it is length. Where were the articles about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Revengeance about their length? Those game were 5 hrs at most. Lentgh has always been a minor issue since forever, but people seemed not to care about it because of all the fun time short games can give you. A game that teaches you, entertain you , sticks in your mind, and is fun is the definition of a great game and worth $60.

I won't regret paying $60 bucks for this game as long as it's fun and memorable. I don't think neither Watch Dogs nor far Cr 4 are worth $60 bucks because of how boring they get and how forgettable they are. If you only look at open world and repetitive fetch quest to determine whether a game is worth the money is asking instead QUALITY, then you have a problem.

Quality > Quantity.

Harkins17213149d ago

You should see the people saying "oh there just a PSP dev so dont expect much out of the game." That pisses me off. How are you goign to let Devs grow if you dont give them a chance?

PoSTedUP3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

its just haters. this game will do well, 19M ps4's sold and a lot of people cant wait to get their hands on it. hate wont stop it, Sony and its fanbase are too strong right now. bitter fanboys are trying tho, thats for d*mn sure.

i remember the hate for TLoU and its linear, QTE gameplay showings before it released. granted "hate" wasnt as wide spread and popular as it is now. but it all came from one side of the fence.

The Order looks dope and unique, a real treat. MS should be worried that PlayStation keeps getting these awesome looking games and has an insanely established first party dev team. the PS4 is already dominating, these top-notch games are going to play a major factor for the rest of the marketshare and looks to possibly seal the deal. PlayStation is dominating like PlayStation without any of the games that made it PlayStation. Just Wait.

Sevir3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

Driveclub got tons of hare and low scores and fanboys bashed it for its launch, and the game went on to sell over 1 million copies is enjoyed by all who own it.

The Order 1886 will do fine! :)

shallowpoint3149d ago

I bet all this hate is going to upset RAD enough that they will never want to work on an Xbox One title. If Sony does try purchase RAD I bet they sign the deal!

98xpresent3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

So you won't regret paying $60 for a 5 hr game with no multiplayer and no co-op. If this game sells millions expect more games to be five hours or less without multiplayer or co-op at 60 bucks.

You guys see how remasters took off.

@Smokingmonkey I don't have a xbone so I could careless about that game

And I never said I wouldnt enjoy it, but that's 60 bucks for 5 hrs

OrangePowerz3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

Because someone finished it in 5 hours makes it a fact that everybody else will finish it that quick?

A game not having coop or MP is not relevant. All of my favourite games are SP games that either don't have coop or MP or I barely touched those modes.

Edit: Correction that most of my favourite games don't have coop or MP. I like games like WoW, CS and so on that obviously are MP only.

Aloy-Boyfriend3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

I'm pretty sure I won't as long as the game is fun and memorable. DO you want to know what has been my biggest regret this generation and maybe the biggest of all time? Buying Destiny Guardian edition for $60 bucks and even worse...DIGITAL.

Yeah, an open world game with co-op and multiplayer that is boring, overhyped, shallow in content, with content cut from the game to sell them as DLC, no story, repetitive as hell. Need I say more?

All because of I thought they will never drop the ball because of Halo; all because of how the media were hyping the game calling it the best thing to happen this gen, I payed $90 bucks without hesitation, and it was a waste of money.

See how other kind games can't be a waste as well? Destiny has no quality. Only the gameplay stands out until it gets repetitive. If The Order has quality story and gameplay, despite its length though I'm sure I will put more than 5 hrs, then I won't be a waste of money

SmokingMonkey3149d ago

Are you going to feel the same way if Quantum Break has no online?

and to answer your question; Yes

if that game looks and plays like this;



sizeofyou3149d ago

I won't. As long as I enjoy it as a game. Same with any other game. Any other film. Any other music.
Someone bought one of my vinyls for £130 a few years back. Only 38 minutes long. Was what it was worth to them. Hope they enjoyed it. Hope I enjoy game.

Melankolis3149d ago

I'm itched to answer your questions. I won't. The game may last 5, 10 hours, you name it but, if the game contain unforgettable moments, that would last forever...

And, no, not all people are like you. Many gamers don't care about multiplayer or co-op as long as the game itself deserve purchasing...

Yeees, MG Rising, Vanquish, they deserve every penny...

gamerfan1283149d ago

The Order is 8 hours on an average (non-rushed) playthrough.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3149d ago

I could care less about multiplayer or co-op and most gamers don't either.

The truly amazing thing about this 5 hour play through, no one seems to want to admit that it was a speed run.

izumo_lee3149d ago

'So you won't regret paying $60 for a 5 hr game with no multiplayer and no co-op'

Where does it say that a game HAS to have multiplayer or co-op to be worth the money? There is no rule for that argument at all.

Back in the day we spent nearly 100 dollars for games that have even less game time, didn't mean that they were not worth it.

Bioshock Infinite was one of the funnest games I played last gen. It had no multiplayer or co-op. Was it worth the $60 (70 canadian where i'm from)? Absolutely.

TrollityTroll3149d ago

I don't play online at all (refused to pay for live, refuse to do the same with PSN). So, to me, a good single player story is far more important than multiplayer with a tacked on solo campaign.
So yes, I'd gladly pay full retail price for a SP only game, even if it is short, if it's an enjoyable experience with my limited play time.
I blasted through MGS4 in less than 3 hours on the hardest difficulty. I finished all Gears games (apart from judgement) solo on the hardest difficulties in less than 5 hours. Alan Wake was less than 5 hours after the first play through and was one of my favourite games last gen.
In the same way I'm happy to buy an Alexander McQueen tshirt or eat at a Michelin starred restaurant, I have no issue with spending money on something if it provides me with what I believe to be value for money and provides me with what I want.
Each to their own. Here's an idea, if you're not happy with the game length or anything else just don't buy it. It's gone gold, no amount of bitching is going to change the game now.

Death3149d ago

I won't argue that you don't care about co-op or multiplayer. To say that "most" don't care though is hard to agree with. Most games now come with a multiplayer aspect to it to add to the games value and length. In many ways it has become a standard feature. If most people didn't want multiplayer or co-op, then why do developers bother? Why did Sony bother making it so gamers could play co-op remotely via SharePlay? Your assessment of people not wanting co-op or multiplayer is unfounded at best and it is somewhat disappointing that the Order doesn't have it. It's obviously something that many want or we wouldn't be here discussing it.

thekhurg3149d ago

Didn't bother me that I spent $60 on each God of War game that was pretty much the same thing. If you're the type of gamer that never replays stuff, that's what Gamefly is for, or wait for this game to go to the bargain bin. There's nobody putting a gun to your head telling you to buy this in the first minutes of release.

Blazin_283149d ago

Id rather pay $60 for 5 great hours than 100 boring hours.

TrollityTroll3149d ago

@ DEATH - Was your response aimed at me?
If so I think you'll find I only ever used the term I and me when referring to the game content.

So, if your response is to me, I'd be interested to see how you came to the conclusion that I was talking about "most". When discussing my own preferences I only ever used the singular, not the plural.

Are you reading things that aren't there? I struggle to find, in my post, where I even inferred anything that would lead you to conclude "To say that "most" don't care though is hard to agree with." and "Your assessment of people not wanting co-op or multiplayer is unfounded at best ". I don't recall ever saying that and, re-reading my post, still can't find anything that would lead to that conclusion?

Mykky3149d ago

I'm not gonna bash you as I see your point and I too have concerns about The Order. BUT short games can usally be the best ones. TLOU, Uncharted and God of War are marvelous games and they can all be completed around 10 hours without even rushing. (and I'm sure The Order will definitely last longer than 5 hours if you play it as it should be played.)
I'll gladly pay 60 bucks for The Order if it offers a well written story and has decent gameplay. The gaming industry are short on smart and well written stories so I'll gladly support this game if it delivers.

purp13m0nk3y3149d ago

Just because some clown rushed through a game, on it's easiest setting, without taking the time to explore and savoir the experience means absolutely nothing.

It will more realistically take 10-12 hrs on a challenging difficulty level without rushing it. And that IMO is spot on.

bsquwhere3148d ago

What?!? My head made a cracking noise when I tried to think logically about what you said. Then I realized that was it. There is no sane reasonable logic used at all in your statement.

Thank God, I thought something was wrong with me.

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Mk223149d ago

Come on this game won't be fun nor memorable. I'm predicting a metascore in the low seventies at best.

OB1Biker3149d ago

If 'being fun and memorable' has anything to do with review scores for you then that's sad

Aloy-Boyfriend3149d ago

And who are you to say that? It's a possibility, and I'm willing to give it a chance.

TrollityTroll3149d ago

Ah, one of those people who believe games with metacritic scores in the 70's are neither fun nor memorable. I think that pretty much says everything about you that needs to be said ...

isa_scout3149d ago

Dying Light is in the low 70s and it's probably one of the best co-op games I've played in recent years. In the end you play the game not the score. Sure, it's cool when a game you love is received well(TLOU), but if it had scored a 40 on metacritic I would've still played the crap out of it.

poor_cus_of_games3149d ago

@Mk22 predict that you'll have as many bubbles as me soon with a comment like that.

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Saijahn3149d ago

lol Ryse was being bashed and photoshopped as well. At the end of the day if you want to drop 60 bucks on The Order fine, that's your gaming right.It may not be for everyone though and that's okay.

Doletskaya3149d ago (Edited 3149d ago )

Feel sorry? This is what happens when you try to sell a 6-hour game with half the time being unskippable cutscenes for 60 bucks. There are videos on youtube for the entire playthrough for proof, and the guy playing it was playing it like a normal gamer would.

And memorable? I can tell you that aside from the graphics, most gamers wouldn't find anything memorable in this game. Almost every single gunplay sequence in this game is a guy shooting human soldiers with rifles and pistols in a confined space throughout the entire freaking game.

I was actually looking forward to this game hoping that there were surprises and big gameplay features that weren't revealed. But after watching some of those videos, with the way Sony is hyping up this game, I find it hard not to hate it cause it feels like a scam to get as many as people to buy it on day one before everyone discovers how bad it is.

Don't think that everyone hates it cause it's a Sony exclusive or something. Bloodborne has the same status but it is literally everyone's sweetheart. Will be buying that game day one.

OB1Biker3149d ago

The way Sony is hyping the game? How strange. Aren't they supposed to do just that?
I suppose many got influenced by all the bad press the game got and aren't even aware of it
Nobody is forced to buy it like all the games that are usually hyped prior to their release.


This game is getting too much hype... really! The game looks amazing but if someone says it's bad or not long enough then people don't want to believe it or take it as an option.

I REALLY hate the fact that I see a DriveClub article on here EVERYDAY and NEVER see a Forza Horizon 2 article hardly ever. FH2 played all the cards right, gave the consumer a polished experience and more overall full filling game than DC is but just goes to show how this site is Pro Sony even when another game on a different platform is every way better except graphics... giving me disagrees will just prove im right so go ahead and keep that one track closed minded outlook and you all will go far in life ;)