The Inner Circle : Interview with Xbox One DX12 team coming soon.

According to a tweet by The Inner Circle, The Xbox One DX12 team will be coming on the show before and after GDC to talk about cool NEW stuff for Developers.

"The Inner Circle
@TiC_Podcast
UPDATE: Xbox One DX12 team wants to come on TiC before GDC & after GDC to talk cool NEW stuff for Dev's!"

[gangsta_red]

Sounds like a lot of these guys are bursting at the seems wanting to talk about what DX12 can do for devs for the X1 and PC.

I hope they show us with examples...i.e. games ;)

[Foehammer]

Looking forward to it.

[GenuineGamer]

Me too Foe. Pretty sad you get downvotes simply for looking forward to something. Some people need to grow up already.

[Bodge]

Forza 5 on Windows 10 would be a good start. :)

[GenuineGamer]

I doubt that would happen. If anything it would be Forza 6 but even then i think Forza will stay console exclusive.

[TheCommentator]

I can't wait until the bombs finally drop regarding the true gains we'll see from full dx12, true multicore processing and dual lane gpu implementation. Bet it will be more than 30%.

[Ryan741]

I find it interesting that Xbox is giving interviews like this to inner circle etc, are they freezing out IGN? Would not be such a bad thing in my opinion, I and many others have completely lost faith in them.

[Rav3nNZ]

Yeah most media sites are corrupt/biased AF these days it seems and its really unprofessional. Giving praise left right and center to ps4 and unfairly crapping on xbox one.

This is a big reason ps4 has been selling so well. Lord knows its not the games that have been selling the system.

If XB1 turns out to be the more powerful system and it was simply needing dx12 to run its dual lane gpu and memory setup correctly then im gonna laugh. Fanboys that simply gotta have the best system are gonna have to make a decision and eat their words.

[GMR_PR]

"If XB1 turns out to be the more powerful system and it was simply needing dx12"

I highly doubt DX12 will make XBO more powerful than the PS4, remember Dx12 or not PS4 will always have better hardware.

[LonDonE]

Agreed all the big sites r controlled using add revenue, but ask urself who has the biigest budget? And you will find its ms who spends the most.

I find it strange how the big sites r not talking about the possible x1 gains from dx12.

I love my x1, while owning all 3 current gen and last gen console i still find i use my x1 the most.
I would love for all thed dx12 stuff to be true but i doubt it. It makes allot of sense, the huge x1 case, huge fan and heatsink, the much better cooling compared to ps4, the fact ms has tons of cash and so making such a weak console just dont make sense, the blatantly obvious early release of the console due to ps4 being ready sooner then expected, the shoddy sdk leading to gimped multi plats, the jank system o.s?

All these thingsa nd more point to possibly sumink else going on, it just dont make sense!
I am looking forward to windows 10 and dx12 making the x1 a lean efficient monster of a console just like my ps4 allready is!

[Rav3nNZ]

@GMR_PR: Can you explain to me how ps4 has the better hardware???

Last i checked xbox one has the better hardware but simply isn't being utilized due to placeholder api's.

Xbox one has the faster CPU
Xbox one has the faster and more efficient Memory setup
Xbox one has a dual gfx lane dx12 capable gpu which ps4 does not.

Alot of people are going to be surprised how powerful xb1 actually is once dx12 hits and actually uses the hardware in the correct way it was designed for.

MS didn't spend $3 billion creating a custom GPU for it to be weaker than an off the shelf gpu that the same company offered that the ps4 is using.

[Andofaus]

Exactly, there is absolutely zero reason why the PS4 should be out selling the X1 at this point. Other than the fact that online gaming media with hidden agendas are pushing the PS4 like there's no tomorrow. So it should come as no surprise that Phil Spencer and co are giving their exclusive interviews to outlets like TIC.

I will definitely be checking out this interview, should be very interesting. I'm hoping this will be the start of the end of the misconception that the PS4 is the most powerful console.

[Yetter]

Its more authentic with these guys

[Hibsboy85]

I cant wait for this.and hopfully prove to sony fan cunts that its not about who has the most power but rather how to use it better and i think dx12 will do just that

[Andofaus]

Yeah your right Hibs about DX12 making better use of hardware resources. But if you ask me and I think many would agree the X1 has the much better hardware also.

[Scottyxboxoneandps4]

I would like it to be true I really would but I fear the 3 billion they spent on the gpu side of things were to implement the three os's and switching between things and such,as that's what they were pushing to begin with with all the tv stuff and what not. I would love to be proven wrong though. I love both systems but the X1 is what gets the most use as that's where my friends are from last gen but it's good to have best of both worlds.

[Yetter]

no, no, no. The three OSs is strictly software. The PS4 could do it as well if they had the same software wizards MS has in house. The XB1 was built for DX12 but had to release a year early to keep the Sony from getting a massive lead and therefore majority of devs used DX11 vanilla (DX11 without the desktop overhead). Software makes the hardware sing, and the XB1 is 100% designed for DX12.

[halfblackcanadian]

Yeah, that's a good concern (reasoning for it). Some of the hardware must be there to enable apps and games to run simultaneously without one affecting the other.
That said, 3b is a lot of money for that one thing. I feel like speculation that PS4 launch reveal forced MS's hand to release early could be correct, though it's not like the extra year would have helped DX12 anyway...

[hello12]

We know for a fact the x box 1 GPU clock runs at 853mhz its not a super GPU guys and the RAM it uses is not as good as the GDDR5 so saying the x box 1 is more powerful is jumping the gun too much.

For me personally the x box 1 is a more innovated console compared to the PS4 and that will be shown as the years pass by (cloud game physics azure-to x box 1) is something the PS4 can't do example.

Directx12 will improve the x box 1, but its not a quick fix and the gains will be game specific. Directx12 doesn't make the x box 1 more powerful thats a myth it just provides newer tools to devs that will increase the performance of the hardware already there in the x box 1. Directx12 also unlocks next gen features that directx11 doesn't provide or allow. The way i think about it is the x box 1 will run better and perform better than it is now next year and who doesn't want to see that.

[halfblackcanadian]

I think the way you're rephrasing is exactly what Phil Spencer was saying and why I think people wrongly cling to his words. Hardware won't change, the machine is built the way it is built. Developers have to want to use the resources to make any difference. There's already one article up on N4G of a dev saying 3rd party games will almost never use the features since they won't be cross-platform available. Heaven forbid the Xbox version looks better...
-Back to what I was saying-
DX12 will allow anyone who wants to use it to it's fullest get some great gains out of the hardware. Look at Fable Legends - sure it's not using realistic graphics as a way to prove anything, but show me another game with that much on screen with those graphics and specifically lighting that sophisticated. It's efforts like that where gamers will see the most.

[Rav3nNZ]

The only Myth is that ps4 is more powerful that XB1.

Im sorry but the memory setup in XB1 is much better than ps4. Not only does it have less latency but it has a higher overall speed if esram is utilised correctly. Which is a big feature of dx12.

Also comparing the gpu simply by mhz and cores is not the way to look at it.

for instance there are many dual core processors that outperform quad core processors.

Also many chips that have a lower clock speed but actually outperform higher clocked chips.

Its all in the design of the chip not basic numbers. And xbox one has been custom designed with dual gfx lanes and who knows what else.

I strongly believe the xb1 is the more powerful system and facts are slowly trickling out are confirming this.

These custom features are unlike anything else on the market and therefore cannot be utilised by old api's such as DX11...

MS have said dx12 wont change the hardware of the box. stating the obvious.

What it will do is allow the Xbox one to function the way it was designed to.

[IrishSt0ner]

I'll watch this tomorrow, and look forward to improvements in future games... however I do not expect DX12 to suddenly make Xbox more powerful than PS, this is unrealistic, as I think the high R&D cost was for the ALL IN ONE functionality. The TV stuff had to cost a lot (which I enjoy daily).

My real excitement for DX12 is using all my i7 cores in games, going to be some epic improvements.

[Yetter]

you don't pay AMD 3 billion dollars to design an SoC thats weaker then your competitions.

[IrishSt0ner]

Albert Panella said somthing simliar before launch, and here we are over a year later still waiting...

They paid for a very similar (if not the same) CPU, and a smaller GPU (on paper 50% less powerful).

So you're telling me, as an Xbox owner, that MS paid 3 billion dollars so my Xbox is not weaker than the competitiors, yet almost every single game has been weaker... the 3 OS functionality must just be a byproduct of the superior and balanced SoC design.

If pigs fly and DX12 makes Xbox more powerful than PS4 though software efficency I'll be very pissed off at Phil Spencer for insinuating otherwise, and I won't be buying whatever the next Xbox ecosystem is until 4 years after release until they 'unlock' what it can do.

Pipe dream IMO, buy a good GPU, job done.

[GMR_PR]

@IrishSt0ner

There is nothing you can say that will convinced this people, denail is really strong in this thread. Even Phil said DX12 wont bring a significant boost the XBO, but for some reason people choose to ignore that.

[Yetter]

The XB1 DX12 wants to set the record straight. I wonder why?

[halfblackcanadian]

I partially agree. Consider this though - why not get on the podcast immediately if they (the team and MS as a whole) wanted to set realistic expectations. I imagine somebody has an hour to get on the phone and field questions from TiC if "setting the record straight" was a big concern. As is, sounds like they're waiting until GDC in a few weeks and even then they will have a pre-show and post-show conversation. It makes me think two things are happening - the first podcast will talk DX12 generalities and what it can do for existing hardware and how it achieves it's goals, straight from the horses mouth. They will speak about unlocking features in current (PC) hardware by using the APIs they've developed. The after-GDC podcast will speak specifically about what DX12 will do for Xbox One, since GDC will speak to that for the first time officially. This is regardless of if anyone thinks there are latent NDAs surround AMD and MS since Xbox One's release. After GDC the DX12 team can talk about what of DX12 Xbox One has been using already and what will be opening up with Windows 10 on Xbox One. It's similar to TiC's Ken Lob interview - they will talk about what they can and then go back to actually open up about all the cryptic stuff they weren't allowed to get into (if you didn't listen to it find time, the Ken Lob interview is great. He specifically says towards the end that he wants to be on again post-E3 to actually talk about things he had to be cagey about.
tl;dr - given timeline I don't think DX team will say anything crushing. Pre-GDC to talk in generalities, post-GDC to talk Xbox One specific. XboxMAD and TiC are great, start reading/listening