PS4Home: "If the sale of SOE results in The Getaway 3, The Last of Us 2 and more PS4 exclusives, that’s when we’ll realise the sale of SOE was actually a brilliant decision by Sony"
Everyone benefits over this. Even Xbox gamers.
Yeah, more games for everyone so its awesome.
This didnt really do much except open up the already multiplatform titles to Xbox owners potentially. The games were on PC (Same reason why many dont get an Xbox One because their 'exclusives' are on PC. I said potentially because of certain IP ownership stuff. As far as Sonys Playstation, it gave them some money in the gaming department. Has nothing do do with their other departments though.
This is great for many more reasons than that, sub. As a PS only fan for the most part I'll start with the obvious of why it's great for Xbox gamers first, then all gamers, then I'll talk Sony benefits. Xbox gamers are getting amazing games, period. The devs formerly known as SOE (I forgot their new name, sorry), make some great gaming experiences. They aren't breaking any graphical barriers, but considering the scope of their games, their visuals are still above most competetors. And gameplay experience and quality is trumps with these guys. Their games don't tend to launch broken, which is more you can say for most devs lately. When it comes to ALL gamers, Xbox fans included, I would bet the farm that these devs are going to end up making the first (well I guess FF11 was the first, but in any recent times) Xbox/PlayStation/PC cross-platform play game. It's probably going to end up being PS2, right? They aren't going to compromise and make a private Xbox only version, and right now I don't think Xbox is in a position to disallow the former SOE studio games. Besides, SOE is probabl THE dev with the most experience making cross-platform games and doing them well, all features working flawlessly. They will have a strong argument in that Xbox big-wig office, that they should be given the freedom to make a PS/XB/PC cross-play game. I hope for all us gamers that MicroSoft bends on this. If they can get PS2 cross-play........we're talking the greatest gaming experience ever. Everyone would be into this game, even non-FPS fans because of the cross-play alone. You thought the PS2 online battles were incredible before?! The wars would be AMAZING, and as a bonus would probably change the landscape of the gaming community in a hugely positive way. It's like the Berlin Wall coming down. From the Sony perspective, pluses include no longer having to fund these HUGE games and servers. Speaking of servers, you can bet that Sony themselves actually owned at least some percentage of SOE's servers, which if that's the case, you can also bet those servers will be used to bolster PSN (in fact, perhaps this was part of the decision the sell SOE with all these server attacks going on). Also, with the money saved, the budgets for the "next" round of 1st party PS4 games (meaning like 2016 games), will be that much bigger, or at least the devs will likely have a bit more freedom with their budgets. Really, this is just a positive thing for everyone in the gaming community, and may even have positive effects on the industry as a whole. It's really all down to MS though. Are they willing to bend their corporate BS to give their gamers what (at least hat *I* think) they want. They have to sign off on cross-play. Though I am kind of ASSuming here. I mean......cross-play IS something Xbox gamers would want, right? If so I think you Xbox gamers need to start getting very vocal about cross-platform play on these "SOE" games. We all know the dev can do it, and we know Sony is open to it.......c'mon MS......make it so. I know damn-well that you Xbox fans can be very vocal getting your point accross in online forums and communities. You guys need to start putting pressure *ON* MS for once.
These articles are getting ridiculous. It seems that people will spin anything to try to justify their PS4 purchase.... - Sony selling a studio is great for PS4 owners! - Sony buying a studio is great for PS4 owners! - Sony supporting PS3 is bad for PS4 owners! - Sony supporting the struggling PS Vita is great for PS4 owners! - Sony securing Street Fighter 5 exclusively is great for gaming! - Microsoft securing the new Tomb Raider game is bad for gaming! Some of the people, on this site in particular, should get together and go build a church, but instead of a cross at the top, you can put the Playstation logo. And I love how some commenters on N4G and authors of articles seem to think they know where Sony is going to spend more money, now that they've sold a studio. The guy who wrote the article is no more 'in the know' than some bum on the street with a bottle of whiskey in his hand. It's the blind leading the blind.
@BattleAxe: It can be built next door to your Church of Microsoft.
@battle "Sony selling a studio is great for PS4 owners!" When has Sony ever sold a Studio? They usually close them down, and they get a lot of grief over it. Lots of PS4 owners are upset when this happens. More often than not though, the games those studios made can still live on with other studios, for better or worse. SOE was a publishing branch within Sony that had some of it's own studios...more like teams actually...kinda like SCEJ....but overall I haven't seen a lot of people saying it's great for PS4 owners, but great for Xbox owners. In this case, PS and PC owners haven't really lost anything outside of exclusivity, but SOE games were never major console war talking points. "Sony buying a studio is great for PS4 owners!" That's not spin...that's actually great for PS4 owners. PS owners in general actually, since I'm not aware of any studio's they've brought since the PS4's release. Not really great for other console owners who like those studio's games though. "Sony supporting PS3 is bad for PS4 owners!" LOL, what? Sony is more often than not praised for it's long term support of their consoles. Vita is their first console where they have been criticized over lack of support, and even that criticism is somewhat subjective. "- Sony supporting the struggling PS Vita is great for PS4 owners!" How is that spin to justify their PS4 purchase? That's actually a reasonable argument since the Vita is a great supplemental device for the PS4. It may end up being redundant in the future. So which is it? Should Sony support or not support it's consoles? Seems they can't win either way, so I'd say err on the side of the customer and support the people who support you for as long as possible. Better than forcing the transition. "- Sony securing Street Fighter 5 exclusively is great for gaming!" Same thing was said about TR and TF with MS. great for gaming? how is that related to PS4? It is good for PS4 owners, but like with studios being brought, not great for owners of other consoles. "- Microsoft securing the new Tomb Raider game is bad for gaming!" Same thing was said about SF and many other secured exclusives. For the rest, refer to the above comment. See...Sony isn't the only one that gets these kinds of articles, it's just fan boy's in general who write this kind of stuff. That's what dragonknight was inferring, but of course, some people only see fan boys on the other console, but not on their own. I do agree with your last comment though...at least in it's intent.
How do PS4 fans in particular benefit from this?
clear debts and afford to spend more money on games? im sure SOE wasnt really making them a living so it makes sense to get rid and then u have no running costs but you still get the games made for your system.
Becuz sony gets money I guess lol Lets assume sony will spend it on games... or movies... If the devs use dx12 the benefits will be more for pc/xbox. Mostly because of using the same api for 2 platforms with the same Os. This could make cross play a no brainer. Ps4 would be the third wheel in development. Potentially I see more benefit to xbox. I think u see my point.
@Nuggets - PS4 has at least one cross play game with PC (War Thunder). Both consoles are closed systems that have longer patch approval processes than PC, which is why the PS4 version doesn't have cross play and neither will XB1. The PS2 devs have said they don't want the PC players to wait on the console patch being approved.
I don't think it benefits PS4 fans, but I don't think it's a loss either. Their exclusives were never really exclusives, and they're not really system sellers either. Most of the games they make range from mediocre -> average -> good, and this was simply trimming the fat. They no longer have to fund these projects, when they can simply pay a smaller developer to make F2P games for them or have other small studios make them for less, as they've shown with the rush of games at the PSEvent. They're making money off the sell of the studio, and saving money by using 2nd parties instead of paying salaries for hundreds of employees. I'm a fan of always having more games, but I'd take quality games of more mediocre any day. As far as upcoming releases go Planetside 2 seemed like the only good thing coming from them to PS4 soon. H1Z1 was looking like a problem, and Everquest Next while looking good didn't even make a splash on PS3 when the last game came to it. This sell helps Sony out as a whole, and will trickle down to other studios, and hopefully means the purchase of other "quality" studios. A good group of "quality" >>>>>>>&g t; massive "quantity" of mediocre IMO.
I don't think it directly benefits PS4 fans, or PS fans in general. I often found SOE's place in Sony rather redundant since they have SCE, so I can see them just picking up SOE's responsibilities in SCE now. That could be good for PS fans, because it means that SOE games are more likely to come to the PS platform. Other than that, I'd have to say PS fans haven't really lost anything, or at least not much. SOE was never a major player in the PS lineup, although that was kind of changing this gen. PS4 will still get SOE games. I find the bigger winners in this...at least from a consumer perspective....is Xbox fans, who are potentially going to get some good games to play on their system in the future.
I am willing to bet it's to payoff their debt.
Most likely. Same reason why they closed those 14 Sony Stores in Canada. They obviously still need the extra money. Selling SOE gives them a large chunk of funds to pay off debt and continue their business the way they want. No one knows if any of these funds will go into making PS4 games or not. They did get a profit of over $250+ million in their 3rd quarter, so they might use some of that money.
no doubt and this way Sony can focus on stuff that has more possibility of making profits moving forward
PS4 gamers didn't lose anything. After all, SOE was already multiplatform.
Yeah, they were pretty much always PC developers. This just opens things up a bit more for more people to enjoy their games. Which I'm totally cool with. :]
Agreed and when people look at the bigger picture, Sony will have MORE money that can be spent on things such as new IPs, better network, etc. Obviously I nor can anyone else can truly say what the money will be put towards BUT... All in all cutting off excess that you don't really need is always a good thing... Hopefully now X1 and PS4 might be able to cross play some cool games, at the very least X1 owners get some new games and PS4 and PC can cross play... This gen (game wise) is gonna be amazing mark my words.... AMAZING!!!!!
Sony just focusing on console gaming is a good thing IMO since I have no interest in PC games. Sounds like the opposite of what Microsoft is doing
Sony has more areas than just console gaming. Playstation is just one of the most obvious and well known areas they focus on. People often don't realize they are huge in Insurance, Image Sensors, Semi-Conductors, mobiles while negative on paper recently, were more likely a cash positive, they were just over valued in the past, so that had to be balanced. They also do well in movies and publishing music. No doubt Playstation as a whole business will become much bigger in the future, with all of the streaming functionality Sony are building into their business, but really consoles isn't where the money is, it's in the software and Sony knows that, so they have to focus on what makes Playstation unique within the market. SOE doesn't really help with that, they were never rated highly on the level of a Naughty Dog, or some other top tier studio within Playstation. In fact I think they were classed as external from Playstation, but under the Sony umbrella until recently.
Yeah it is. However, Microsoft should also focus on PC. After all they make windows.
@OB1Biker Do you only play exclusives, because if not that comment is beyond ignorant. A PC is just as much a console, just one that's completely free and open to do whatever you please.
@ABizzel1 I dont know if my comment is 'beyond ignorant' but I never pretend to know more than I do like a few guys in the usual comments. Your comment does sound a bit intolerant though as I did say IMO and I have no interest in PC games for reasons you obviously have no knowledge of whatsoever.
this isn't entirely true. after all games like no mans land are being treated as console exclusive for a timed period. people on the forums also took notice when games like ryse and dead rising 3 went to the pc. so yes, ps4 owners are also losing console exclusivity because of this. some people don't play games on the pc so if these games go to the xbox one (which all indications are they will) then it will mean less leverage to get people to buy one particular console to play those games on. ps4 owners are not going to benefit from this deal, it just opens it up now to more potential customers which is a good thing.
I guess the better alternative for PS4 owners would have been for Sony to force SOE to make PS4 games only, further bolstering their exclusive line up,.. BUT that probably would have been harmful to the developer, and PS4 wouldn't actually GAIN anything, they'd just be taking things away from PC. Sony's move was a best case scenario for EVERYONE... But I still find it pretty astonishing
How does exclusive games help PS4 owners? You still get to play regardless of the other platform its available for
I really think that this means that there's less money for Sony to put into these franchises, so they sold it to somebody who could. Yes, it's good for everyone. But I still think it's indicative of Sony's overall health, which isn't good. This would only be bad for Ps4 exclusivity, which is something the Ps4 doesn't really need because they're still selling like crazy. It's good for Ps4 owners because these games will be developed more quickly. Now the quality of these future installments still remains to be seen. Which Im taking very seriously.
I doubt they would have done that. SOE and SCE are completely different divisions within Sony, and while I'm sure Sony corporate can influence decisions, forcing them is a bit extreme. They both exist with their own mandates, and their own reasons for existence. Sony would have no reason to force SOE to make only PS4 games, because they can just get their studios in SCE to do so, and sell off SOE for a nice pay day. I have a feeling that was what is happening here, and it's likely that SCE will end up making some computer games like SOE did.
@yetter Because when a game is exclusive to one console developers get to maximize the hardwares potential. When they make a game multi platform, they have to split their attention across several pieces of hardware. Sure PS4 owners will still get to play these games. But surely the PS4 versions won't reach 100% of there potential on that platform.
I agreed with most of the article until it said becoming the Apple of Video games. That's not a proud achievement, that's more of an insult. Apple doesn't provide the best hardware on a technical level, as a matter of fact their hardware in their phone and macbooks are years behind the competition.
Wait a minute lol umm there selling off parts there company and brands which is cool but to instantly think great now we could get the get getaway 3 which i be buying day 1 and the last of us 2 is silly. They gonna use the money yes into the video game industry for sure but how do you not know sony will be using the money to help focus on another PS4 design or another studio or other fresh new IPs we know nothing about. Selling thoes kinda assetts will cover more than the games listed im sure this is for future investments and yeh if we see any of them games come fantastic but tryst me the money will be well spent but not just gaming but gaming related.
It's going to go to the same place the money being paid for PS+ is going, to help the companies bottom line. Until Sony stabilizes and they become profitable, the selling of assets is being done to stop the losses. Having SOE's exclusive IP's means the only place to play these games is on PS4 or in some cases PC. Now that SOE is independent, the games that were once console exclusive to the Playstation will be available on other platforms. How exactly does having DCUO on the Xbox One translate into a win for Sony? The only loser in this deal is Sony for not only losing another asset to help stop the bleeding of money, but they also lost out on another reason to buy a Playstation. The only thing astonishing here is how fans are spinning this loss into a positive.
Didn't they post a profit for 2014 FY though? It seemed all divisions posted a profit including mobile and their TV for the last few quarters, and their TVs haven't seen profit in over a decade. 2014 FY reports doesn't mean that its smooth sailing from then on but it shows that they might be able to turn it around in the future. Isn't this what years of restructuring does? Sony is holding every division accountable for their losses. PC? Gone. TV? Spun off into a separate company. Mobile? Downsized. Obviously there will be some causalities but this what they need to do in order to stay alive. Who even knows what happened with SOE it is just some speculation from people who know nothing, it could of been they needed money or it could have been that they were worthless in the eyes of Sony because they prioritised PCs over the PS4.
Lol talk about reaching! I mean wow, I know this is PS4home and all but why don't we leave the spinning to the PR officials? What's next? Sony Liverpool shutting down was a blessing in disguise? Zipper closure made gaming pure again? Get real. Sony defenders have been yelling for years now how Sony's horrible financial situation won't affect the gaming division and now when studios start dropping like flies, we are to believe it is for the greater good?! Pssssh! Stuff that noise. Let's call it what it is, they are selling assets to stay afloat. There is no surprise gooey toffee centre at the end of all this, there are no leprechaun gold pots at the end of the rainbow after the storm. There is only stone cold reality. They sold SoE so they can pretty up their finances. Not for the Getaway 2 and not for TLOU 2. They did it to hang on to their jobs and more studios will keep dropping until they find a way to make money that does not involve selling off buildings and whole businesses and cutting jobs. To borrow the words of a fellow commenter; plugging a whole in your boat using your finger does not make you a boat repairman.
Hey, it has to be said. Seriously, I can't tell you how many times I saw Sony gamers screaming about titles such as the upcoming Planetside 2 (console) and even the upcoming Everquest title. But now that Sony let them loose to develop for whatever platform they wish, NOW that's an awesome decision and for gamers. I didn't see the vast majority caring much about what the Xbox gamers thought until it was ruled in by Sony. Really . . . get off it. I try to be as accommodating as possible to the preferences express by the people on here. But when absolutely everything is spun and treated as some sort of win, real or not, to whatever team you are apparently playing for, people need to finally tell you to wake up and join the real world. This is not a great thing for Playstation gamers. Sony did this for financial reasons, and all it means is that Sony has a few less (console) exclusives to boast.
These are F2P games coming to PC first and then to PS4 the change is: To PC then PS4 then to xbox I wouldnt say its not a great thing for PS gamers because F2P games eventually will be on xbox too I never felt particularly happy Sony spent resources to develop games coming to PC first.
I'm just going to suggest you look at Sony's stock on a stock tracking app and see how much money the company is worth. Then you can message me back once you see the crazy amount that company is actually worth. Then maybe ppl that know nothing about business will stop talking like they know business.
I don't understand why people think that whenever Sony sells off something, the money goes toward Playstation.
Agreed, but i also dont understand why people think whenever Sony sells something: "Oh my God, Sony is going under! They are broke!"
No that probably has more to do with the fact that they have lost 10 billion dollars in 8 years, sold off 2 headquarters, closed down at least 30 stores, shut down factories, cut over 10 thousand jobs, shut down studios, sold of businesses (PC) and spun off Bravia. But you are right, what crisis right? Them selling SoE was a sign of great things to come.
@torgue or maybe just maybe they are just downsizing as they lost their markets to google, Apple and probably some to Microsoft. Sony used to be a monster, now they aren't as big so they need to downside as their employees shift to Apple or the current monster of the industry. It doesn't mean they are going under. It just means they aren't as big and need to downsize. But I'm glad everyone seems to know sonys financials more than the soe's do.
I can assure you this. Before Sony goes under, let me be more specific... Before Sony gets rid of the Playstation division, Nintendo will release Mario as a multiplat for the rest of the consoles and Microsoft will sell the Xbox brand, mark my words.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think PS4 exclusives will now be available multi platform. The MMO side of the business is what could now become available to all platforms, not PS4 exclusives. That would be a very shortsighted move with the current PS4 hardware momentum.
The sale of SOE included the sale of the PS4 exclusives SOE had. You don't think the new company bought SOE to become a second party developer do you?
@ICantReadBandito It was only mentioned EVERYWHERE, the day the SOE sale was announced, i'm not really sure how you'd be able to miss it.
True they might use the money on the other none gaming related divisions, though I do hope they will invest it into their gaming related PlayStation division.
Sorry but this has all ben a trend for Sony the three to four years. There selling off assets like hot cakes. First massive buildings and now gaming divisions. The only thing making money for Sony is PlayStation and insurance. They really need another work horse. PlayStation makes money but not the money you would think a company like Sony could put all of its eggs in one basket. Insurance makes massive cash. Remember when Sony had a lock on almost everything. WOW
@blackout <<< I wish you would! 'Sorry ...There selling off assets like hot cakes....The only thing making money for Sony is PlayStation and insurance'. _____________________________ ______________________________ _____ Firstly, why are you 'Sorry'? Is it your Company? ...Are you a Shareholder? ...Hedge Funder? ...Do you have any 'Business Acumen' at all? Judging by your woeful grammar and incredible naivety, I would suggest that answer is a big fat NO!. Sony are doing what any business would do under similar circumstances. You make no reference to 'Job losses' or how it affects peoples lives. People like you wish only for Sony' demise, adding absolutely nothing of any discernible value. I Guess you're another one of those unemployable N4G 'Business Analysts'. You probably learned the word 'Asset' today ..oh yup, you're definitely sorry alright 'WOW' ;/
@Blackout, See page 5 of this document and educate yourself. http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...
they are using every penny they get into clearing their massive debts not on more games. why do you think the PS4 is so light on exclusives this year. you know things are bad when niche games like Bloodbourne are headline games for the console. just stating the truth and this coming from a PS4 owner but unlike some people i'm not in denial.
PS4 light on exclusives!? Wow, the delusion and ignorance is strong with this one...
The only people this is awesome news for are their creditors. I too hope for many new, AAA exclusives for my PS4, but thinking that giving SOE the boot will in some way allow Sony to focus more on first-party development for their console is really, REALLY reaching considering circumstances.
Lol you fanboys can turn anything around huh.
I see a fanboy article here trying to cover up whats really happening.Its not good news for PS4 owners at all.Its another nail in the coffin sony.They have been losing billions for years now and selling off everything thing they can to hold on.When they sold SOE it was a big hit to them.Sony has already stated they will be losing more than 2.3 billion in 2015 with the chance of bankruptcy.Sorry but this isn't how a company is suppose to be ran.
Lol...I dont know how this is a win for PS gamers. Anything that was being made by SOE is no longer exclusive to PS. If anything SOE and Xbox gamers are the only winners. They need to hurry and find a new name.
I been playing playstation for years and this move makes me mad, it feel just like when they got rid of zipper when everybody was hyped about MAG and wanted a sequel and they just fired zipper, now they sold soe. It's so stupid, they going to push everyone who play multiplayer games on playstation to xbox or pc. The only exclusive multiplayer game that made me want to stay still because they wasn't making a mag 2 was planetside 2, now I'm better off playing it on PC or xbox smh
Sony is investing more money into its Playstation division and moving more services under the Playstation name, not less. Yes, the sale of SoE (which was losing Sony money) will go towards investing more into Playstation/gaming which is a profitable division. I suggest people read up on the size and scale of Sony on Wikipedia. They are still one of the largest electronics corporations in the world with 140,000 employees. Sony isn't going bankrupt and its stock is rallying with recent positive quarterly results.
This article raises a good point, but the author really doesn't do anything to expand upon it's topic or convince the reader of what it's saying. Just 3 facts about sony's recent business. Grade: C
This really doesn't help sony, when sony avantage over microsoft was mmo games from SOE. If sony can't make any other legit multplayer games, they are done. If sony doesn't make an unique player experience I'm done with them and a lot of other people
Except those mmos never came to the playstation... Face it, SOE prioritised PCs over the PS4. They were one of Sony's biggest studios (employing between 500-1000) and they just weren't making cash for Sony. "Despite being around for over two years on PC, PlanetSide 2 has only recently become profitable, according to Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley."
I'm playing Planetside 2 beta on PS4 but I'm done with it. I'm done wasting my time on this game that suppose to came out in 2013 smh terrible
If we get pc to xbox streaming then non of these games developed by SOE would have been ps4 console exclusives, this is why i think Sony sold off SOE and in doing so essentially pulled out of PC gaming.
Laughable spin from one of those questionable no name shill sites you only see on N4G.
I wonder if this would be the same reaction from sony fans if it was about Microsoft selling assets.
The sheer desperation in this Shit spin is laughable at best. "AWESOME NEWS FOR PS4 OWNERS" Lmao. Gaming "journalism" at it's finest. Shit like this only gets approved on N4G
Logic and sense thrown right out the window.
This will benefit PS4 users indirectly by allowing Sony to pay of debtors and stop the flow of money going out into SOE , which obviously was more going out than coming in. This inturn will strengthen Sony as a company but i doubt any of the money will directly end up in any other studios in the short term. The heads at Sony are doing a great job of correcting the ship. Not so awesome ,Microsoft will be knocking on the new owners doors as it seems a perfect fit for Windows 10 cross play. Cant imagine it will be hard to port the PC versions to XB1 now. With the right amount of financial backing i could see a few Win 10/ Xb1 exclusives in the future.