Philip Asher who is the Marketing Director at Trendy Entertainment has revealed to GamingBolt that Sony's policies for the PlayStation 4 is the reason why they opted to go console exclusive with them.
Sonys current indie policy involves bags of cash so no surprise they like it. Never been a better time to be an indie developer they are raking in the cash.
Or it could be that small devs that can't release their game on multiple consoles at once, choose to release their game on the system that has the highest install base first. A certain other company is a little petty about getting things second, so they choose to have a policy in place that prevents devs from bringing their game to the system as a result.
You can think whatever but the indie developers themselves have said Sony approached them with money so meh, whatever you want to believe I guess. But you have to look at it realistically, for example you really think that Sony didn't pay for no man sky, and it's only on ps4 because of this microsoft policy? Quite a few games have released now after being on ps4 first once their exclusive timed deal finished so that argument is really looking weaker and weaker every month.
Lets be honest please. 90 percent of these indie games are total crap that belong on an ipad or galaxy S5. I didnt buy my PS4, XB1, and Wii U to play tower defense games or crappy remakes of all the games I played in the early and mid 90s. I bought them to play big time games and enjoy what these systems can punch out as far as high end quality, great major developer games and multiplayer experiences. So whether this is a great game or not isnt really important in the grand scheme of things. The fact that I can play the first on an Ipad tells me something. Now on to sales. The first sold just over 1 million copies. That is great for an indie but that was across android, Apple, PC, PS3 and XB360. You really think that releasing it on PS4 and leaving out the XB1 is going to yield the same results? Pretty stupid if you ask me. Not to mention that the programming of games from PS4 to xB1 isnt that big of a deal or hard. They are both dumbed down PCs. OK let the disagrees commence but this game isnt some 60 dollar a copy blockbuster hit. It is a 10 or 15 dollar hit. Trust me when I say that it will be a PS plus free game within 90 days of its release. As would it be a games with gold freebie on if it released on XB1. Because thats what we get on those consoles each month. We get lasts months indie games for free. Im not saying it isnt successful or it wont be good for the people who like this kind of game. PS4 and XB1 do not have huge sales figures for a lot of indie games. Even if the PS4 has more sales the XB1 still has Over 11 million sold. Either way it is less consoles sold by sony or MS right now than how many were sold last gen when the first game came out. It wont sell as many as the first due to this thus making irrelevent whether or.not it comes to XB. Edit: just read its FTP which is even better. Lol i would rather play the other indies than some micro transaction P2W game. Disregard all I said. This game will not be invading my HD on my PS4.
Any source to that claim? Hum!? I guess not, but its ok
Nah, let him think whatever.
@lemocake I think Sony helped the dev No mans sky when their office flooded.
Not sure if it was Sony that helped. I know microsoft offered to help http://www.gameranx.com/upd... Anyways it's good that so many people offered to help them out.
Sony doesn't pay indie devs with bags of cash at all what a completely stupid and clearly said out of jealousy thing to say. You need to get out more.. They make deals with the devs to release there games on ps+ thats true however when first releasing on the network thats not true plus this is free to play so they won't get a dime off Sony.
@gangsta_red Please don't start with the nonsense you started yesterday. There are no bags of cash. Sony gives developers advance royalty payments in exchange for a "LIMITED" exclusivity agreement. The agreement does not last forever. Even No Man's Sky is a timed exclusive. http://www.neogaf.com/forum... Sony development relations manager Chris Eden announced the Pub Fund, a program that sees Sony matching the development budget and guaranteeing royalties for a self-published games in exchange for PlayStation Network exclusivity. "We're looking for a number of great games, and in return for exclusivity we'll match your development budget with guaranteed royalties." "The purpose of the Pub Fund is to fund publishing rather than development," clarified Rob Dyer, senior VP of publisher relations for Sony, speaking exclusively to GamesIndustry.biz. "Its purpose is to stimulate self-publishing among those who can’t or don’t have access to disc-based publishing, which enables them to be more successful." From the PlayStation website: http://www.playstation.com/... PUB FUND *YOU ARE THE PUBLISHER, YOU OWN THE GAME’S IP RIGHTS! *Incentive based program intended to support platform-defining content on PS3™, PS4™, and PS Vita systems *Guaranteed royalties upon release of the Game in exchange for "limited platform exclusivity" *Additional Co-Marketing support on PlayStation®channels There is no exclusive or timed exclusive. You keep saying that and you know it's a lie. There are only TIMED EXCLUSIVES with any agreement pertaining to the Pub fund. I posted at least 5 links from NeoGaf in a PM I sent you yesterday and it's obvious that you haven't bothered to click a single one to read what developers are actually saying about the Pub Fund and The Launch Parity Clause. Earlier today I admitted to being a Sony fan, but i'm not a delusional fan. It's obvious that you're an Xbox fan because you're defending a policy that developers overwhelmingly disagree with. You keep saying that Sony is money hatting indie developers, but if that was indeed the case, what's stopping Microsoft from doing the same thing with their "bottomless pockets" and "dump trucks full of cash?" Hmmm... The story that you've concocted has too many holes, holes that don't make any sense. "Money hatting?" What's stopping Microsoft from doing it? "Bags of cash?" I thought Sony was broke? "Microsoft has never turned away developers because of the Launch Parity Clause?" If a developer says that they were denied a free Xbox One SDK because of LPC, do you actually think that anyone @ [email protected] will admit it?
The pub fund? Thats been around since forever. Its there to help smaller devs with the costs associated with making a game. They never hid that. Unless you meant the money they give devs for the game being on PS+. Even then Indies have cited that policy as being a fair payment in exchange for missing out on potential sales, but can also work out better if the game wouldnt have hit sales targets.
Sony has had an indie games fund for years now. They help lots of small developers get their games funded, and for that they could be looked at as angel investors (this is a meaningful term, I'm not actually comparing them to angels, haha). Since Sony is giving money to people to make games, those people are making their games for Sony platforms. It's pretty simple, really, and there's absolutely NOTHING negative about it.
Sony haters always say how bad Sony's financials are, but yet now they have "bags of money" to throw around for all these indie games to be exclusive? C'mon, get real.
100% ironic is it not..LMAO Sony has a Pub fund to help Devi's get started, but you have to freaking earn the help. They just do not help anyone who comes through the door to pitch an idea. You have to show you are willing to learn, and show progress. Its not "throwing cash your way" lmao
Honestly, it's the silliest thing I've ever heard. How in the world can Sony afford to moneyhat when they're going bankrupt?
i thought sony has no money make up your mind
This is like last year news tho
People should get used to seeing this headline.
It's been going for quite a while; I know that I already have gotten used to seeing it.
it's going to pc so it doesn't even matter. when xbox one get the windows 10 update xbox owners can just stream it from the pc to the xbox one. no big deal. problem solved. like it or not!
I think the streaming service worked the other way around.
they made comments that they are in early stages of looking to stream from PC to Xbox One as well. So its a wish list thing at the moment.
@Dlacy13g So was Milo and Illumiroom.
@rdgneoz3 Milo certainly was a failed project put out to the consumers but illumiroom was never positioned as anything more than something MS was tinkering with. PC to xbox one stream seems very likely given they already can stream xbox one to pc but its not in the initial launch and something they are looking at.
NEVER going to happen just think of the money MS will lose when people cancel their Live account and buy COD on steam cheaper. All the multiplat titles being cheaper on steam too. It would force MS into price matching the Steam Store
You'll still need to have an Xbox live gold account to do this.
Actually I think you are being a bit short sighted. Stream from PC to Xbox One creates a bigger eco-system for MS around Windows 10. Remember in order to stream you have to have a Windows 10 pc AND an Xbox One. Sure PC games are cheaper on steam..and yes that may push MS to lower the X1 prices but clearly the scenario of having a Windows 10 pc and an Xbox One in the same household is a far better scenario for MS vs having one or the other.
Yeah they would have to have some kind of limitations on the streaming for sure since someone could just build their library for cheaper on PC (making the X1 a pointless middleman). It just seems goofy to stream a game from your PC to the X1 though when you can just plug the controller into the PC and the PC via HDMI and play that way. Online games especially would be horrible because of the extra latency from streaming.
@Dlacy13g: But Microsoft gets a licensing fee on every piece of software sold on the Xbox One plaform, which it wouldn't get for the PC version of the same titles.
@Lord Maim no doubt there would be a hit to that revenue licensing stream but MS is clearly looking to build out an ecosystem around Windows 10. Xbox is just a small piece of that puzzle...not the main piece of that puzzle.
if you have capable pc PLUS a console, then the probability is you have the money to not care about exclusivity in the first place..
The concept seems nice and all, but do you really believe it's going to be that simple? I would think the same policies or restriction would still be in play. I'm almost certain that these same developers will have a say so in how their media is delivered or received.
this isn't the first dev/publisher to say this about sony/m$, why are many so butthurt over this? m$ has a history with every generation slapping all their customers in the face along with the devs/publishers. people defending M$ is the same as people defending GM despite having recalls every other day...
I don't think many are butt hurt over this. I think more people are google searching dungeon defenders 2 to see what it is though.
It's a pretty sweet Tower Defense game with RPG elements. Another good one to check out is Pixeljunk Monsters. Oh wait...
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free 2 play game, no thanks
What a sad, ignorant comment. Represents alot about whats wrong with gamers today.
Team Fortress 2 says hi!
Play what you want, but the PS4 beta of Planetside 2 is the most fun I've had with an online competitive shooter in a long time. I'll check out any free game. If they're not my cup of tea I won't play them for long, but to dismiss a game simply because it's free is very weird to me.
Why would u stream from pc to xbox, it's just a stupid waste of time keeping both machines on JUst so you can play that game on xbox lol
You wouldn't. Not for this game but think about some of the cooler games that aren't available on consoles. This of course only applies to future games on windows ten.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parity clause had something to do with it. It stinks that the game isn't coming to the XB1 because it does look fun.
Many comments here supporting this developer, who are entitled to say what they believe, but yet, when a developer praises MS and says how good it is to work on the platform, its derided as BS and that they are a nobody developer.... another day at two faced fanboy N4G.
Before these consoles ever released it was already pretty well known which one had more developer friendly policies. By the way, check out comment #15… "Never heard of them , but oh well, not a travesty or a world crushing event to not get to play their game ."
Never heard of them , but oh well, not a travesty or a world crushing event to not get to play their game .
So basically, you're saying that any game that YOU haven't heard of can't possibly be a great game?
not even getting it if its free for ps4
Your name and comment don't go well together. You won't even look at a free game to see if you like it? Very odd.
that makes sense since you don't even own a ps4 lolz
Yesssss...multiplayed the heck out of the last game.
Already knew where this article was coming from. Gamingbolt & Dualshockers give you the same articles over and over again. If it's not something like this then it's what resolution a game is going to be running at. They never give you in depth articles about the games or developers.
Many developers have opted to do the same and many will do. If you are faced with the decision to choose only one console to make your game, Logic tells you you will choose the one with the bigger user base and the best policies that fits your business model. In this case, that is the PS4 and that is why many developers choose PC and PS4 only.
haha great policy MS, keep up the great work.
IMO oh well, I don't give two craps about Dungeon Defenders. If the game was worth while I am sure MS would request a port, however indie devs make me laugh with the policy excuse. The last ones to talk about it were like, game won't come to Xbone due to the policy so we made absolutely zero effort to try and get approved for a port. Xbone does not need Dungeon Defenders 2 however the game needs as big an audience as possible to be a smashing success so if they make zero effort to communicate with MS thats there problem. MS is looking for the next big indie partnership, shouldnt indies make an effort to get their attention. Kudos to Sony I guess for being so aggressive partnering with small games with relatively small core appeal, which I guess could lead to eventually a big hit. Hopes its great, but devs need to understand the world is not just handed to them on a platter it actually takes an effort to get something done. You don't just read a policy on a website and concrete the words 'no' into your brain. You got to have some kind of 'what if' in the back of your mind. Like look at the dev that did FFXIV, he would love to have the game on Xbone, and he may have managed to arrange an agreement to make it happen according to the latest tease. Unlike an indie dev the game is a bit of a bigger deal but still already a success. The company still put an effort into expanding that success.
"MS is looking for the next big indie partnership, shouldnt indies make an effort to get their attention." No, and that's the exact reason XBox1 isn't getting these indie games. They're showing no interest in them which, if I was a dev, would make me think "if they aren't approaching me, they don't want it." Sony is actively seeking indie devs and games and they're getting them.
If you seriously think indies like the Dungeon Defender devs are doing MS a favor by being gracious enough to think MS is going to go out of their way to get their game on their platform you are surely mistaken.
Wait.... What? You get a "not a reply" down bub... A reactionary response based off of picking and choosing from my comment does not make what you posted an actual response. When did I say they were doing MS a favor?! I said XB1 isn't getting games cause they aren't actively going after them like Sony is.
So now M$ decides what games are worthwhile? That Sir is laughable! FFXIV is not on Xbox bc M$ will not allow Square Enix to put Xbox on the same servers as PlayStation and PC. They only permitted shared servers for FFXI bc it was the only way Square Enix would agree to start making single player FF games on the Xbox brand.
funny headline tho they love sony policies thats why it aint coming to 1 wow big woooo hoooo
i think sony is asking very little of indie devs profits, rather than cutting them a big check out of the gate.
Welcome to the good side, Trendy Entertainment. I'll be sure to get this game! Thanks for choosing Playstation, always the best place to play :)
I see a lot of people getting offended because people don't care about this game. So what? Everybody doesn't have to like Dungeon Defenders. Some just don't care enough for it to play it. I'm pretty sure there are many games that you like that some people aren't going crazy for. No big deal. I personally don't have a lot of indies catch my eye. In total I have about 3 indie games. They're simply not what I buy my console for.
That indie thing is kinda blowing up in Microsofts face now. Even to an extent the fanboys who kinda made fun of Ps4 for being the indiestation or console for indies with those weird remarks. Now it just makes sense for all indies to go there and its kinda a big deal now. Some really big games are there now. Now Ps4 has exclusives and indies. Its like a embarrassment of riches.
I find it funny how "indieStation" is used as an epiphet, and so many players adopting the "who cares if it's not on the One, just a stupid indie game," yet at the same time we have the "these devs should try harder to reach out to MS to get their games on the One." If you were a dev and saw one market saying "pfft so what, just a dumb indie game... try harder to win Spencer's graces," and the other market saying "cool! I love the variety of all these indie games," which one would you be targeting, and which one would you think "meh... if that's what they think, F em."
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Why do these articles draw so much attention over a PC indie game thats been out for awhile and no one really cares about it. I would rather talk about AAA exclusives then indie exclusives. Even if this game was available on X1/PS4 I still wouldnt buy it. Ill would also get it on Steam. This gen has become one of the stupidest wars. 1080p and Indie games is all ill remember about this gen. Well done kids.
Dungeon defenders is an amazingly addicting game. Cant wait!
Oh know I'm going to have to sell my xbox because I can't play a tablet game /s