Bill Smith on why you should reserve judgment on The Order: 1886.
I see more trailers for the game and all it does is get me more excited for The Order. I also have been waiting on a big new AAA game to get and I'm really glad I only have to wait a couple of more weeks now
Leave Britney alone!
Thanks for letting me know what your main account is 'urwifeminder', i've seen you do this one before. You guys just carry on without giving legitimate reasons why the hate is justified. What is Halo 5 doing that is so revolutionary? Are the new jump dash and ADS something really to be applauded, something that is now extremely generic within FPS now? What is Quantum Break - except for so far only displaying corridor shooting, 3rd person mechanics? Why are games like Bioshock etc not ripped apart for not having MP (also looks like the new Tomb Raider your timed exclusive will be too). Why is Batman not ridiculed for having ALOT more QTE events than The Order is displaying? I'll tell you why, it's because yourselves, and the US media are desperate. Keep up your one liners and bitter attitude towards a console that is trampling all over yours respectively. The ironic thing, is that your lashing out of these games really directs your one liner back at yourself, and your XBone. Carry on.
You are seriously blaming the US media like it is a conspiracy? The PS4 has been the number one selling console in North America since launch with the Xbox One only winning in monthly sales for 3 out of 14 months. If someone doesn't like the Order, perhaps the reason is actually what they have seen of the game.
I don't believe that the US media are desperate in the sense that you are implying. I believe they are comprised of foolish opportunists who enjoy picking criticisms out of thin air and establishing double standards so that they have something that will cause discussion. They are desperate for clicks, not to downplay a specific console. People fear what they don't know. The smart ones don't panic and spread misinformation about something they don't know about. The stupid ones spread concern and hate. I completely agree about the double standards when it comes to games like Quantum Break. Where's the concern for that game? I mean seriously. If the modern gaming media was fair and unbiased, we would have had an abundance of articles tearing apart that game, because it's done practically nothing to differentiate itself from the kind of game The Order is, and it's supposed to come out in a few months. We're starting to see that the main reason we haven't seen much of The Order game compared to a lot of other games pre-release is because it's heavily plot-sensitive. It was always going to have solid third person gameplay mechanics, a super interesting story and a fantastic atmosphere. The game looks fantastic, and I was 100% right about everything I was saying in the wake of all the unfounded hate, double standards and foolish opinions the game was at the receiving end of. Even if the game somehow gets negative reviews now, after overwhelming positive previews and lots of excitement due to a much improved showing in the past couple of months, we'll all still know that it is a great solid game that has been torn apart by people who are unable to keep their own expectations at bay. Like DriveClub.
The only people bashing it are people looking for clicks and people who have no intention of ever playing it. Anyone with any credibility would actually wait until they actually play the game or at a bare minimum, watch the game being played live before making negative comments about it. The common thread that holds those with negative comments together seems to be that it's linear and has quick time events, which is ridiculous. Some of the best games ever made are linear with quick time events: The Last Of Us God Of War Outlast South Park The Stick Of Truth The Walking Dead Batman Arkham Origins Tomb Raider Remember Me Dead Space 3 Yakuza Just Cause 2 Heavy Rain And there are plenty more. Making comments based on a demo or a gameplay video that lasts less than 10 minutes completely lacks any credibility. Now if there are glitches or unresponsive controls or something affecting gameplay, then you'd have something relevant to discuss. Trying to dismiss an entire game based on your opinion is just shallow and disingenuous.
I am very excited for The Order, but many of the games you listed aren't linear.
Raising concerns is one thing, completely writing off the game entirely based on the play-through is another. If the game has an over-abundance of QTE's then it, quite rightly, should be criticised for it. I've read posts from people saying how they now love QTE's and its not a problem. No it is a problem and simply dumbs down the gameplay. But if executed properly, and sparsely, then yeah, The Order won't have any trouble. But lets distinguish legitimate concerns from all out clickbait in the form of writing the game off completely based on a limited demo.
"If the game has an over-abundance of QTE's then it, quite rightly, should be criticised for it." How would anyone know that The Order has an over-abundance of QTE's if they haven't played it more than ten minutes? I think you're making my point for me. As for others trying to make comparisons to Ryse, Ryse has several problems that go far beyond QTEs. Unstable Horrible frame rates Horrible story Terrible voice acting Extremely repetitive game play Eurogamer: "As a melee-combat action game, however, Ryse suffers from a stultifying lack of variety and a depressingly mechanical approach to gore." " there are maybe half a dozen basic enemy types, whose tactics are scarcely all that different to start with. It's brainless stuff, and quite boring." "As repetitive and shallow as it is, Ryse is always blandly playable " "Originally touted as a solid 30fps experience, Ryse misses the mark more often than we'd like with frame-rates often fluctuating between 26-28fps. The most challenging situations even see the frame-rate drop into the teens, though such moments are few and far between and often kick in during engine-generated cut-scenes, so there is no actual impact on playability. While drops occurring during the opening bridge sequence - with hundreds of troops on screen - seem reasonable we've also observed dips in areas with little to no combat."
He didn't say it does, he said if It does have too many than its a problem. All your complaints about ryse are complaints that were found out after release, that doesn't have anything to do with the hate it got pre release. For all we know the order will get the same complaints you just mentioned about ryse. Edit- didn't see septics reply till after I wrote it, we basically said the same thing
@igivehugs you clearly know nothing about ryse also Septic did'nt even mention Ryse in his comment,you brought it up. The game had a great story, beautiful voice acting and ok gameplay which i and many others enjoyed.The graphics were stellar too and you should also know that not everyone who bashes a game does it because of stupid fanboy reasons.Ive realised that those complaining about the game keep stating similar reasons. it was similar to what happened with ryse and others prior to launch. The authors of these so called anti- the order articles have every reason to be cautious afterall they are only stating their opinions(like they've done with other games in the past). you should go read eurogamer and gamespot hands-on articles on the order for yourself. That aside you should know that people who blindly downplay a game are just as bad as those who blindy defend it. In the end it comes down to personal opinion and from the little i've seen of the order, i think ill be picking it up just like i did ryse. @marlinfan i think you have a point there.
"How would anyone know that The Order has an over-abundance of QTE's if they haven't played it more than ten minutes? I think you're making my point for me." Yes this is exactly what I said. Look after the last bit of my post. As for your points about Ryse and it's shortfalls, the same logic applies. We haven't played the final game. The Order could just as well suffer from the same problems. Thats the point. Based on the limited demo some people have played, they weren't impressed by it because it was extremely linear, lacking depth and had some qtes. But then again, it was a short demo compared to a proper review which is why any sensible person will reserve judgement till the final game.
That list is horrible. Some of those don't even fit in the linear category. Just Cause alone is an open world game. Ryse had great voice acting BTW. Repetitive gameplay sure. Back on point. I am taking a chance on The Order. Just like I will probably be taking a chance on Until Dawn too. People enjoy tell tale games and they usually have mostly positive things to say about them. So I am sure this will be fine as well.
Do you have remember me and South Park on a list of the best games ever made? Also walking dead and batman are anything but linear edit: this comment was meant to be directed to a different comment
Opinions are just opinions. Some think that should preorder this game and some are sceptic about it.....you just have to accept that. In my case, I am sceptic. I'm playing wait and see with this one, I work too hard to waste my money.
LEAVE THE ORDER ALONE
Every game needs some healthy criticism.
Depends what you label as "healthy criticism".
Addressing the RYSE comparisons: RYSE had a shitacular story, nonsensical plot and uninteresting characters. Only redeeming factor were the crisp visuals. The Order 1886 without a shadow of a doubt has crisp visuals as well but only time will tell if the story is up to snuff. Therefore, the comparison is not apt until we experience what kind of story Order has. If the story sucks then yeah we can dump The Order and RYSE into the category of games that look pretty but lack substance.
Eh? How is the comparison not apt if "but only time will tell if the story is up to snuff" ? Even you say: "If the story sucks then yeah we can dump The Order and RYSE into the category of games that look pretty but lack substance."
Ryse also had really tight gameplay, provided you were playing on Legendary.
and stop defending it , and let the reviews show is it that bad or great game after all ...
This game is likely going to be great. However, it will probably have a flaw here or there and that is all we will hear about for weeks.
Oh cry me a river...people still bash MS for thier DMR plans that never came to be. Who cares if people bashes this game? If the game turns out to be good then it will prove all those who bashed it wrong. But if its as some are saying then i guess articles like this are not needed.personally i think the game looks boring. I havent seen anything in this game that i havent seen in gears. The graphics look incredible but outside of that im going to need a good reason to buy it.
And The Order has NO Multiplayer or Coop. And i dont see a reason to waste 60 bucks into a probably 6 hours cinematic campaign...
It would really be nice, if the game ends up shining and exceeding everyone's expectation, but I still have my doubts. I do have it on preorder so we'll see how it does...
Either dont pay attention, or get over it. People have the right to write about whatever they want.
Why should people censor their experiences with the game? Horrible article.
Welcome to the world of Playstation journalism, where journalist do anything to gain hits from the largest gaming crowd.
http://gamingbolt.com/ryse-... Or like where journalist give a pass to exclusive sony games that they bash other games for doing. Watch gamebolt give them a 9-10 for the same things the knocked points off for ryse.
You cant try to compare 2 things, and only give 1 of the 2 subjects, where's the Sony game that wasnt bashed for doing what ryse did?
Im say the order will get a free pass for the order for using QTE in game while making it a negative for ryse. Look at their review for ryse how points was deducted. Now watch when the order get its reviews how QTE is exceptible now with many reviewer.
Lol I actually like the pre release hate the order is getting, it reeks of fanboy insecurity and boosts my confidence that this will be a solid game.
After Dragon Age Inquisition and Far Cry 4 (both great games) I'm taking a brreak from open worlds and am look forward to an intense linear experience with good action, a solid storyline and mind blowing graphics. I hope the Order 1886 ticks all those boxes.
Haven't seen much negative press about the game for a while. The vast majority centred around early builds and seemed pretty universal, so who's to say the negative feedback didn't actually play a role in improving the game and the improved recent previews?
Why do people consider bashing to be constructive criticism? Obviously by bashing the author means those people who say The Order is terrible because it plays like Gears of War. I agree that I'm tired of seeing those types of articles. However there are plently of legitimate articles based on actual previews of the game. As long as those articles dont act like reviews then I have no problem with them.
Thats right...its cooler to bash xbox one and its games instead...
Great article. I hope this game will get a fair treatment from the media, but it's looking like they're already made up their mind.
This is ridiculous. So if people think the game looks like crap they're not allowed to say that? It's not like this game is getting glowing reviews in the press and there's a few fanboys saying the game sucks. It's getting decent to bad previews and people are forming their opinion off of that and the gameplay they've shown. No one knows how good the game is or will be, but I didn't see this many people defend destiny when it was getting massacred. People wrote that game off as a bro shooter, but they will defend this game til death.
More Xbox dudes making up lies and continuing to spread misinformation about The Order: 1886. Just when I was starting to hold hope that people could actually be fair based on recent positive impressions, away it goes back into the gutter. Firstly, The Order has been receiving overwhelmingly positive previews since last December's PSX event, and the hype is mostly restored across most gaming sites after people have seen more and that Sony are doing some great world-building through the AR campaign and adverts. There are still random haters but I feel like the game has come full circle since its reveal. i do feel that this article is unnecessary. The game also received over 25 awards at last year's E3. We all knew it was going to be a great, linear story-based solid third person action-adventure shooter. And we all know it's going to be great based on the recent build. Nobody called it a "Bro shooter" because it's absolutely nothing about it constitutes "Bro". It's a period piece, not a sci-fi game about oversized space marines who actually behave like "Bros" and high five each other. It's one of the least "Bro" games in existence. As you're clearly displaying, ignorant people are developing their opinions off really OUTDATED opinions. The only thing that this game getting reviewed badly will show is that the gaming press is full of more double standards than they were already holding against on the game for the past 12 months.
But Digital, isn't it okay if people think The Order looks bad to them? Or if the demo they played wasn't interesting and that the lack of multiplayer might be a turn off or the gameplay may be boring? I mean I am only saying this because I see a lot of people defending this game and saying no one should bash it before it comes out. It reminds me a lot of Titanfall, and how a lot of people were bashing that game before it came out, even though it also got great reviews during it's demo, it also won many awards and there was a good campaign and push behind that game also. The only reason I bring this up is because of this here... http://n4g.com/news/1408730... Please look at comment #3.1 This person here is bashing the heck out of Titanfall before it was even released and says that it's okay to have a negative opinion about the game. I think we should apply that person's logic to The Order too and stop blaming Xbox fanboys or biased media for whatever happens to The Order. Let The Order defend itself when it comes out. A great game is a great game and I haven't seen a great game get unfairly judged due to fanboys or media bias yet.
@gangsta_red Nice. Shows how much of a hypocrite raptor is. "If people think Titanfall looks bad, then let them. They're entitled to their opinion. They're entitled to think that a multiplayer-only game is not worth their time. They're entitled to think it looks boring, or underwhelming" From his own post. Now hes here singing a different tune cause its a sony exclusive. Have a bub+
This "article" is laughable.If I facepalmed any harder I'd be in the emergency room. This is just an opinion piece and a poor one at that. The only people bashing the order are the trolls who comment on sites like this, however there are people who have played the game and they have shared their concerns. That is not bashing, that's observation.
Sh** I have even started yet , wait til I get going . JK.
The game actually looks pretty good, i hope it does well and i will most likely pick it up when i get my PS4.
I spoke my peace, if the game proves me wrong im man enough to admit I was wrong. Im not about that fanboy life or unjustified bashing my opiniin is my honest opinion. Some of the bashing is petty complaints, I simply think it's going to be short without any epic moments or interesting gameplay based on what I've seen so far. If I'm wrong then apology incoming, if im right, an" I told so" and moving on.
Why does every game HAVE to be open world now? Sorry but alot of Open world games are full of bugs and have repetitive tasks I have no issue with Linear games it just means I will pay more attention to the story rather then have to do tedious side Quests to advance.
I am entitled to my opinion. I love the concept of The Order. It's cool as hell, but the gameplay looks boring and repetitive. That being said, i really want it to be good, I want to get lost in a videogame and there is a big gap between now and Bloodborne and the witcher 3. Please be good!! I watched a trailer for The Order and all the critics were talking about was the graphics. Yes, they are impressive but what about gameplay dammit?
Stop defending mediocre QTE Cinematic games...
It's funny that you say that because maybe you should stop trashing a game that you haven't played and have no intentions of playing. This articles for you and your friends, and it seems like there's a lot of you in here.
how about lets just judge it good or bad until it comes out and people have actually played the full, finished product.... this seems to be a trend. everybody knows how good their consoles unreleased exclusives will be and how bad the other persons console exclusives will be. people also also defend their unreleased console exclusive they haven't even played against people that have played it in trade shows or whatever other venue and they defend each stance unnecessarily mean spirited. the fact is nobody knows anything until the games are actually released. if you find yourself brutally defending or bashing an exclusive game you've never played - chances are you just might be part of the fanboy problem.
This is N4xbox...let the bashing continue....
I thought one of the main points of gaming media is to voice their honest opinions about games. So if they have negative opinions, they should just STFU? That doesn't make sense.
Multiplayer is the last thing this game needs. There's other games for that kind of repetitive shite. It comes down to if you have a PS4 & your interested in a third person shooter with this kind of setting. Your either interested in the game or your not. Your either going to hold off & wait for the reviews & watch someone play it on Live with PS or your going to take a chance & buy upon release. Buy it, don't buy it. Bash it or praise it. It doesn't matter. The game will stand up on it's own or fall hard & be forgettable. I personally preordered & took the chance. If I like & enjoy it then it's a gain for me. If the gameplay sucks & I can't bear it then I'll sell it with little loss to my wallet. Let the bashers bash it & let the defenders/praisers defend & praise. It's all noise to those who know how to decide for themselves.
I can't believe how much hate the game is getting hello the game isn't even out yet!
I for one don't care about the negative response. I will play it anyway because of the setting. Played Vampire the Masquerade and Hellgate London back in the day. Both buggy but I enjoyed them
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