Is the Xbox 360 Elite borked?

Leading console repair company responds to reports in today's tabloids that Microsoft's Xbox 360 Elite consoles are also experiencing major overheating problems with 'hundreds of users' reportedly getting the dreaded 'red ring of death'.

[thereapersson]

Though it's an Elite, it still carries the standard overheating problem that many other 360 systems out there have had to deal with.

[Bathyj]

Its no different. But the thing is, when Elite came out we were told RRoD was over. XB fans told PS fans stories about RRoD should stop being posted because it was old news.

I personally think RRoD stories SHOULD be reported. Not to rub it in Xbox owners faces or to hold it over their heads and say nyah nyah get a PS3. Its not about that. When people stop talking about it everyone thinks its gone away but thats just not true. It should be reported as long as it keep happening so people know the problem still exists. If consumers are going to spent such large amounts of cash on consoles they have every right to know.

If you ask me M$ is lucky they dont have to a warning label on the box like cigarettes. I've never heard of any product before in history that had a 1/3rd failure rate and was allowed to continue selling to unaware people.

If the box said WARNING: If you and 2 friends buy an Xbox, one of them will fail, people might reconsider.

[Lifendz]

That's how it's different. The Elite was supposed to be the one that worked. That's what all the extra money was for: a working console. Now this one is over heating? You can't make this stuff up. MS, I really hope you do something for all the people that have been inconvenienced by the RROD. IF these people support your next console then I don't know whether to pity them or laugh at them.

[keapon]

At least, if it is indeed the RRoD that causes your 360 to fail: free repair for 3 years.

But they can't time travel and reverse their decision to rush to market. I imagine their past mistakes will continue to haunt their customers for some time to come, all because they thought it would make them #1. :(

[KimboSlice]

There is an update to this story here:
http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[SpaZaA]

How is that an "update", It gives no new information to the story. That article is written for the sole purpose of defending MS.

It has no value whatsoever unless you are an RROD'd 360 owner who needs consoling.

"Why is The Daily Mirror Victimising Xbox 360? "
Give me a friggen break. Nobody should have sympathy for Microsofts poor choices in the hardware manufacturing business. Yet the kiddies over at spong.com are trying to make MS out to be a victim. Hilarious.

[morganfell]

Kimboslice, you are a little late to the party, :)

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

That story isn't defending MS by saying they are spending the money either. it is actually an indictment by saying THEY ARE HAVING TO SPEND MONEY THAT ROBBIE BACH SAID WOULD NOT BE NEEDED BECAUSE ELITES DO NOT BREAK.

That story isn't excusing MS, it actually makes them out to be liars. After all, if the Elite was RROD proof, the money wouldn't be needed.

[JokesOnYou]

Its good to see that at least somebody is trying to add some balance to the news at n4g. After sony loyalists were overJOYed with the "source-less" Elite failure news, that update sure does have to put a damper on their party.

Geoff Croft, customer service manager at the UK's leading console repair service Micromart told TechRadar:

"We don't deal directly with the three red rings problem any more, although we would still have heard from our retail clients if it was becoming an issue with the Xbox 360 Elite.

"I can't really comment on that story in today's Daily Mirror. All I can say is that we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year."

funny stuff

http://news.spong.com/artic...
http://sarcasticgamer.com/w...

JOY

[harrisk954]

"I've never heard of any product before in history that had a 1/3rd failure rate and was allowed to continue selling to unaware people."

You are correct. These types of problems ALWAYS lead to class actions. The only reason that MS was so quick to extend the warranty 3 years at a estimated cost of between $1 and 3 billion (depending on the report you read), is to avoid a major class action. This solution was probably arrived at through a two-fold analysis by the MS lawyers, accountants, insurers, PR deparment and number-crunchers. First, the cost of the warranty extension probably pales in comparison to the estimates of what a class action would have cost them. Plus, a class action would have completely opened the books to everything about the design and QC of the XBox, something MS would never want to happen. Second, the PR benefits of the extended warranty helped prevent a major public backlash over a consumer product that has probably had one of, if not the largest, failure rate in history. I am an attorney and have been involved in numerous class actions, so I really believe that this was reason for the warranty. Of course, once the warranty runs out later this year, the same potential of class action may arise.... of course, they are hoping that by the time a significant number of 360 owners can join any such class action, they may be out of luck due to statute of limitations problems, which would most likely be 4 or 5 years depending on the state.

[Hoggy1983]

1 Elite has apparently overheated.
Leading repair company states Elites are rarely repaired

Im losing all respect for the Sony fans who are all over this

[morganfell]

All you have to do is Google the Elite and you will find they are breaking. Despite what people like Jokesonyou want to say about balance, blah blah blah blah, they are suffering the same issues.

[JokesOnYou]

post a few links that say there are alot of 360 Elites breaking, I googled "360 Elite failures", "360 Elite breaking" and all I saw was a vid showing 1 Elite breaking, it was the same exact vid posted on several sites, then there were forum posts with people asking if Elites were more reliable, I found NOTHING that demonstrated Elite consoles were anywhere near as unreliable as the old launch 360's just questions and speculation from *2007, so lets see your links, hopefully something current with supporting data= hundreds of current owners complaining on forums, polls, retailers feedback from consumers. Lets see it or are you the one just talking blah, blah, blah......

JOY

[solar]

if this is to be true....then i would be really saddened. ive been hanging off on getting a 360 because of the RRoD problems. it's a great console with a huge install base and great games, and all of my mates have one. but i cant justify buying a faulty product, no matter who makes it or what it is. i was hoping the problem was in the past so i could jump in. guess ill be waiting longer.... :(

[godofthunder10]

i'll admit that some people are haveing problems with the elite but lets be fair.a large number of the people that are complaining about the elite isn't keeping it well ventated(not all),another thing that people shouldn't forget is that some ps3 fanboys are posting articles and acting like they had a elite and it broke on them,then they claim that they are going to buy the ps3 because it's more reliable.they did it with the 360 and they are doing it with the elite.

i'll admit that the ps3 is the most reliable console that was ever made.just like ps3 fanboys,360 fanboys act the same way.they will all lie to make the other system look bad and the one they have look better.

i know 3 people that bought an elite right when they came out and not one of them had any trouble yet.this is the first time i ever heard of people haveing problems with them.

ps3 fans need to admit the truth to.the elite isn't hardly haveing any problems compared to the first 360 and that's a fact.ps3 fans also need to admit that some of the people claiming that their elite broke are just ps3 fanboys lieing just to make the elite look bad and the ps3 look better just like they did with the first 360.

i've read a lot of articles of people complaining that they had to send their 360 to be fixed and ps3 fanboys talking about how the 360 sux because of the rrod.they all need to get off the 360 because every one knows that it has a lot of problems.this is for the elite not the first 360.the truth is that their isn't that many people that is haveing problems with their elite, so every one need to stop bring up the first 360 because it's stupid.it's the same thing if i bring up the lawsuit against sony and the ps2 because of the defected harddrives because sony refused to fix them at first. but it makes no damn since,as a matter of fact it's stupid to bring it up because it's the ps3 that's out now.the same with the elite,it's a new 360 that microsoft made to try and fix all the problems that they had with the first 360,and they did a good job.the elite had some bad units that some people received but the defected rate dropped a hell of a lot compare to the first 360.

the truth is that 360 fanboys just need to admit the truth ,the first 360 had a lot of problems with them but microsoft fixed a lot of the problems with the elite.

ps3 fanboys need to stop talking trash about the 360 and the defect rate it had,people knows that it has a high defect rate.ps3 fanboys need to stop and think about the ps1 and 2.sony was sued over the ps2 and it's defected hard drive.

we should all talk about the new systems not the old ones.like i said above,the ps3 is the most reliable console on the market and 360 fanboys should admit it because it's true.microsoft on the other hand had problems with the 360 when they released it,but microsoft released the elite and it took care of the majority of the problems.

ps3 fanboys need to admit the truth to.when microsoft released the elite it took care of the majority of the problems and the defect rate isn't even close to the old 360s and that's a fact.

i know that some americans hate microsoft(an american company) and like sony(a forign company)and i just can't understand why americans hope that a forign company beats an american company,i bet that their isn't one person from japan wish that an american company beat a company from Japan,hell they already said that they hate to buy forign products,especially american product.the truth is that microsoft is fine tuneing the xbox just like sony did with the ps.the next xbox will more dependable just like the ps3 is.it will take microsoft time to make a system as reliable like the ps3 because it took sony a while to do it,but sony is still haveing problems with their other electronic products.

every one need to give credit where credit is due instead of saying stuff that's not true.the 360 and ps3 are both good systems and it depends on the one that you like that is better because some people don't like the 360 and some people don't like the ps3.h*ll i hate sony and i try to buy from an american company as much as i can.just because i hate sony i want lie and say that the ps3 sux and it's not a good system because it is and i want lie and act childish over a video game system.

all the fanboys from both side(not fans,they are fair)need to grow up and remember that sony and microsoft doesn't give a sh*t about them,all they want to do is sell systems and they will lie to do it,as a matter of fact they both did already

[unbiased]

That there is a game system called PS3 that works perfectly under all conditions even warm rooms. I know it sounds too good to be true but darn it, I'm going to give it a try!

[plenty a tool]

my elite has seen more than a few 14 hour sessions, and had a 12 hour mass effect marathon saturday! some are lucky, some aren't i guess.

[morganfell]

It is your broken console, do your own homework. Damn you are lazy. You and MS are the ones sweating, not me.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

The early Elites still used the same motherboard as the launch systems so they were still proned to RROD.

They've all since been replaced with the Falcon systems which do fix the problem to a great extent.

Why is this article even posted it's just a rehash of the same tabloid story that is currently the hottest story of N4G.

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[BattleAxe]

Its borked, chorked and gorked!

[madmike]

bah bah bah bah get the flock out of here

[Marcello]

Why should an Elite be any different ?? its just a 360 sprayed black with a massively overpriced hard drive, so this story comes as no surprise.

[-Maverick-]

Xbox 360 Elite is EXACTLY the same as all the other RROD-infested consoles. RROD wont be fixed until Microsft releases the new chipsizes and shrinks the 360...which they will do eventually. THERE IS NO "FALCON" in the Elite 3fixme's....yes Microsoft knowingly released another RROD console and continues to sale faulty hardware.

LOL Bots. The Elite is just as RROD-infested as the other 3fixme's and it still uses the same motor-boat sounding DVD-drive as the other 3fixme's.

I thouht there were "Falcons" out with "Jaspers" coming soon??

[-Maverick-]

This is the perfect video to show how a growing majority of Xbox 360 fanboys feel about their Xbox 360. XD

....PS3 FTW just like this dude

[PirateThom]

Ah, that explains all the 360 owners who are buying the PS3.

[QueefyB]

hey guys i just youtubed dead xbox and my web browser crashed but i reopened it and this time i specified xbox 360 elite rrod and i got like 3 million results so heres a few i found;

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

hey guys i also found an interesting video i think its a hint for final fantasy 7 remake but i dont know okay heres the video

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[themyk]

i wonder how old this video is. he replaced it with a 20 gig.

all black 20 gig FTW.

[Pain]

neither is Copy SONY every witch way.

thought is was a PURE Gaming Console...

[Shroomy]

It's quieter than my Halo 3 Edition console *which was a lot quieter than my first gen Premium* and it's also very cool. Doesn't really heat up until it's been on for AGES!

I don't know anyone who just gets RROD'd for no reason. Ventilate your damn console idiots.

[SL1M DADDY]

Ventilate your console indeed but sorry, the 360 is prone to fail even with proper ventilation and low levels of dust. Even MS has admitted to their console being faulty.

[OutLaw]

I ventilated my systems, never had any other equipment around them and made sure they never got dusty. But yet I still got RROD. This is my second system that this happened to. My first one was a day one purchase of a Premium and this one that I'm waiting for a return on is a Elite.

The problem isn't people not taking proper care of the 360. The problem is MS didn't do a good job in making them. So calling people an idiot because this didn't happen to you is being unfair.

[bym051d]

You've bought 3 360s? Wow... that's sad. Were they broken or were you just looking to donate money to MS?

I love my 360, but a new version would have to do my laundry to convince me to "upgrade."

[potenquatro]

I keep my 360 sideways in a well ventilated, dust free area with A/C, and it has RROD 3 times. If it only were that simple.

[Shroomy]

Maybe it's the environment you live in, or your country's weather.

My 360 died when I had it in a cramped space, that was with it running most of the day downloading and my computer which can also output a hell of a lot of heat, a year and a half was pretty good like that.

My new one is much more spaced out, so much heat doesn't build up. You best get a fan and keep it going most of the day and open the window and door.

I know 360's will die eventually, I don't think everyone is an idiot when it just happens for no reason, just like all the PS2's that me and my friends had. Strangely my friends 360's aren't dying. Ventilating it will ensure it lives longer, wipe the dust around the air spaces every so often.

[The Wood]

people get rrod in the UK too. There is no heat out here unless its one of the five days of summer.

[season007]

hmm does anyone have the lanuch 360 still working with regular usage?

and btw not only console, we humans all die eventually...in advance/modern cities people have average life of 76 or so, in some african places they have average life of 46 or so....well its due to AIDS, RROD in xbox360=AIDS in human...meh its not due to the environment, its something else

[Infernus]

Surely the console itself should be well ventilated. Do you have to ventilate and dust-out your TV every week? Surely not! A console should do a better job than a TV at removing heat, the 360 doesn't appear to be able to do this without help.

[plenty a tool]

my launch day premium is still going strong! and believe me, that console has had a hard tour of duty! more all day all weekend sessions(was living on my own then and had no girl limiting my play time!) than i can remember! infact, no console i've ever owned has seen as much action as that war-horse..lol

[PirateThom]

Yes, because the flaw is due to internal design, so all 360's can potentially die, it's not limited to "launch" consoles and never has been, so are just worse off than others due to additional heatsinks in leater models, but they can still RRoD at a higher rate than any other electronic device.

[zoydwheeler]

Are you trying to tell me that a leading Microsoft exec lied about the problem being 'fixed' with the Elite then? http://news.spong.com/artic...

[keapon]

Pretty much zoyd. The actual board did not have any major improvements in heat reduction, or in chips. As I understand it, the "Zephyr" boards introduced HDMI output and that was pretty much it. IIRC the Elites _were_ among the first to ship with improved (or at least bigger ;)) heatsinks that should have improved RRoD, but it certainly didn't stop it, since the board itself was much the same as the original.

The successor board to the Zephyr, the Falcon, did do some actual improvement, most particularly in the CPU, which is now manufactured with a smaller "process" - can't tell you exactly what that means, but I do know that the results are a smaller size, less heat output, and less power use. :) However, Falcon boards were not exclusive to the Elite, and were introduced well after the Elite launched anyhow.

[FPS nut]

New 360's don't die, I have one. I think everything you just said is BS and you have no way to prove it. You sir are a lier, and I will now ignore you.

[PirateThom]

Yes, pretty much. No surprise, you're not going to say your new top end model is still as flawed as every other 360. He's a PR guy and, yes, he lied.

http://www.krunker.com/wp-c...

This is a 360 Elite.

http://www.evolution-publis...

This an original 360 Premium or Core.

Now, forgive me for those not being the best pictures, but it was to prove a point and show I'm not just making this up, the 360 suffers from an airflow issue that causes it to overheat, so Microsoft have stuck in a new heat sink and heat pipe, the problem with that is that it doesn't fix the airflow issue. The Elite is basically what Microsoft were already doing with refurbed consoles, sticking in a heat pipe and heat sink and we know they weren't RRoD-proof. The 360 needs a full internal redesign, not more crap shoved into it.

Basically, the Elite 360 is on the same level as the refurbed 360s, while not as bad as the launch and early 360s, by no means is is going to prevent RRoD.

[keapon]

If you are addressing me, FPS nut, all I can do is laugh. The names and even some of the characteristics of the 360 boards are well known, as someone who actually reads the stories linked on this site should know.

The exact failure rates are certainly open to debate, but if you believe the 8bitjoystick insider, even the latest Falcon models aren't quite at an optimal point, although they certainly represent significant progress: http://www.8bitjoystick.com...

[Bucky Sligo]

The RROD comes from the GPU overheating. Msoft added heat pipes to bring DOWN heat on the GPU. How is that not helping? What it comes down to is that you have absolutely no idea what the fail rate of the Elite is (or any model) and everything you say is gathered from opinion and word of mouth.
The sony supporters are desperately clinging on to the RROD issue because it's one of their big "weapons" against the 360.

Here is an extract from the article (I assume you have read):
""I can't really comment on that story in today's Daily Mirror. All I can say is that we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year," Croft added."
I think that pretty much indicates that the elite is much less prone to RROD, if not immune since we don't know what the elites was sent in for.

@keapon
I would take the word of an "inside source" as law. Al that I know is if I get the RROD, I phone Msoft and get ref-no, go pick a new console out of stock. It takes about a day or two to sort out. This is out of personal experience.

[PirateThom]

Where did I say it wasn't helping? I said it wasn't going to fix the airflow issue, not that it wasn't helping. The failure rate is lower, so it obvious does help.

Before getting all defensive, read what I wrote again:

"Basically, the Elite 360 is on the same level as the refurbed 360s, while not as bad as the launch and early 360s, by no means is is going to prevent RRoD."

The reason it's still a "weapon" is because it's still an issue.

[Bucky Sligo]

Maybe you should read your own post again:
"you're not going to say your new top end model is still as flawed as every other 360"

Actualy, you don't know if it's still an issue. Do you have any credible sources saying it's still an issue? This article actualy states that the elites isn't an issue anymore and is much less prone.

[Black_Jack]

i could put in to google image search, 360 elite RRoD and find picture after picture of RRoD'd boxes. That to me is an issue. It's an issue for the owners of those consoles and an issue for microsoft. It's your blind passive attitude that let microsoft get away with this blunder in the first place.

i will agree with you that the elite is an improvement but the manager of the refurb centre said "if not immune", well erm..no! if one RRoD's they can all RRoD IMO

[The Lazy One]

Where does he say the elite's "fix" the problem?

He says the design got better with them, and it did.

"We know we have a much better design in the market now. We verified that."

The elite's as well as any new xbox 360's failure rate is much better than the original launch console. The new board that's going to be released later this year is going to improve on that again.

No console is completely error proof. We already know launch console's have a problem, and we already know it cost a butt ton. We already know that each new iteration of the 360 is taking steps to overcome that.

Can we please stop posting stories about it until there is something new(new>>>news... see how that works?) to hear about?

[Bucky Sligo]

"well erm..no! if one RRoD's they can all RRoD IMO"
So then if one PS3 fails then all of them can fail?

You all can rant as you like on the RROD, the bottom line is you don't have any facts or reliable references to back up your claims.

"It's your blind passive attitude that let microsoft get away with this blunder in the first place."
How is puting away 1 billion dollar "getting away with it"? Msoft owned up to the issue. The give away free xboxes to RROD victims. What more can they do?

[Black_Jack]

reliable sources of what? what are you talking about. are you trying to say that theres no evidence that the elite can RRoD. you are truely delusional if thats what you think. what planet are you on. elites can RRoD but the chances of that happening isn't as high with it.

of course with my statement "if one RRods they can all RRod" can be said for the ps3, orany hardware product. if a piece of mass produced hardware fails, its possible that any of the other units could potentially be a failiure too, whether that be to poor design (xbox360) or simple one off manufcaturing mishaps.

[timmyrulz]

Here you go trolls have all the space to spread your fanboy bullsh1t you need .....

[Citizen Cook]

My faith restored in M$!

I KNEW the Mirror article was BS!
Don't trust cheap rags like that!

I'm on my second elite, (5th 360 console)The first 2 Premiums RROD, the 3rd developed a loud grating noise with the fan, the 4th was an elite, but the infra red receiver broke, and now i'm cureently on my 5th which is an elite. This one i've had since december last year and has been perfect. Like ME and M$ have been telling you all, the RROD probelm has been FIXED. Since last year!

[PirateThom]

Your 5th 360?

That's dumb. If I had anything that failed more than twice, it would be thrown out a window and I'd cut my losses, too much hassle, even if I wasn't paying for repairs.

Seriously, if my 360 dies, it gets one chance, if the refurb was to fail, it goes out a window and replaced with an Atari 2600.

[Bladestar]

@PirateThom - I never had a problem with any of my xbox 360s... I'm lucky I guess... and I had one of them since launch... day 1.... but I can't say the same about any of the Playstation brand devices.. I had 2 PS1 having reading disc issues... remember putting the PS1 upside down in order to work?
how about the PS2... I had 3 of them... drive issues... they even had a recall... but sadly for me... Sony did not cover any of the fixing... I had to re-buy all the consoles again... that's when companies like gamestop started milking people with store warranty because Sony wouldn't cover it... how about the PSP with dead pixels?
if you advice is correct then lots of people should drop Sony.. because the PS1 and PS2 were full of issues... and what's worst is that Sony let us pay our own bills... now with the xbox 360.. though many of us never had an issue with it... if one day we do.. at least Microsoft pays for it... Something Sony would never do.. or never did... Take the PS3 for example... if it dies.. you are screwed...

[PirateThom]

Bladestar - I wasn't talking about anyone else, I'm talking about my own personal view.

I've had a ton of consoles and the only one that has failed was a PS2 after someone spilled beer on it.

I just personally won't accept products that fail multiple times. It's not like the 360 is the only gaming device in the world, there are other options as far as I'm concerned and I have better things to do than phone Microsoft, do nonsense troubleshooting, wait for a box, send of consoles, wait for console to return, make sure it works, make sure all my licenses are transfered over numerous times. I refuse to believe people consider this to be a good experience, if they've done it like our friend here, 4 times.

If the PS3 dies, Sony will still send you a refurb unit, they just don't make a big fanfare of it.

[Wildarmsjecht]

Sounds like you had horrible luck with your systems. Maybe I'm just lucky with mine. Still, I like how you say, if your ps3 dies, you're screwed. Last I checked, there was an automatic one year warranty upon purchase. Considering the PS3 doesn't break down NEARLY as much as the 360 within those 365 days, of course it doesn't need to set aside billions of dollars to replace faulty systems.

What you're essentially saying is, at least MS is gonna pay for our broken systems with more than likely used systems with an even higher chance of breaking for 3 years (which will reach it's mark soon).

If you really believe any of that is commendable or good in any way shape or form, then I shake my head at you.

@pirate - They actually send you new ones too.

[Isaac]

This one has lasted though, I am only afraid it will last until the warranty runs out, i.e. less than one year.

[SL1M DADDY]

And the latest one is still kicking strong... I think... I never turn it on so I guess I wouldn't know really. It's my secret to making the 360 live longer. ;-)

[Bathyj]

Ha, Slim, I thought that was my trick. I haven't had a problem with my XB all year and its July. Of course I haven't played anything on it since Mass Effect came out. I did plug the power in once and turn it on to see if a disk was in the drive and I got 4 red rings. My heart stopped for a second and I realized that was just because the AV cords weren't in, only the power, (at least I hope thats it).

[Bucky Sligo]

When did you get your Xbox360?

[FPS nut]

One thing I hate about this site, it's full of mud slinging tabloid news. This site is going the way of supermarket trash rags. Next will be news about what console Brad and Angelina's adopted asian child is playing.

[Calcio]

a) it's a *response* to the muck throwing tabloid (RTFA?)
b) N4G is a site that polls popularity for articles and therefore if it's relevant to what people want to read, it becomes more popular.
c) how do you not already know both a) and b)

Chances are the Mirror and Telegraph got it wrong - which is why this article speaks to a company that fixes consoles to check if they had seen a rise in this problem.

But surely that's the *right* response to a mud-slinging tabloid article?

[Zeevious]

Steals FPSnut's Super-Action Coleco controllers to get a better score on Metal Smurf Solid: Rescue in Gargamel's Castle.

But don't take it from me, Hear about all the excitement from Super Hollywood Starlet, Joey Lawrence!
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Don't forget the secret spoiler walkthrough in it's complete epic scope of 1 minutes 40 seconds...including cutscenes:
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[uckitsayitchbay]

You know darn well that brangelinas adopted kids are all playing PS3's lol

[Fishy Fingers]

I'm sorry, but 3 years on and still happening, it's become a joke. Sure there are devices released that suffer problems upon launch but usually these are quickly ironed out.

I'm not buying the "overheating" 100%, plenty of other people manage to cram more components (including PSU) into a smaller package and still maintain a stable temp, is it the 360 simply gets more use than the others?

My flat mate actually got RROD about 5 minutes after turning his 360 on, how can that be overheating?

[thebudgetgamer]

i dont want ithis to come off as slinging mudd but you xbox fans are a very loyal lot of people i dont think i can deal with a console that i spent hard earned money on only for it to die. seriously i know people that are on their 5th xbox i just couldnt deal with the hassles

[Zeevious]

There are varying component issues including airflow management. The Elite seems to run cooler than previous generations, but still has a fat 90nm GPU sandwiched under a heat/vibration generating DVD drive.

I think this article is not only newsworthy, but important for anyone with an Elite or buying one to think about when considering an extended warranty, since all other types of failures aren't covered by the 3 year warranty so protect your investment & keep playing.

While the games are GREAT...Not playing them because the consoles dead isn't!

[Mr PS3]

A Big Plie of Steaming Monkey Crap !!!!!

Then YES

[PJF_Josh]

i got mine soon after the elite came out. i wasn't interested in actually purchasing a 360 until the elite came out (for the bigger hard drive) and so far i haven't had any problems with it.

[OutLaw]

I bought my Elite right after it came out and it just RROD a little more over a week ago. I sent it out last monday and it seems they already sent me out a different one. This is my second RROD system I hope it's my last.

[tojfs7931]

Send in my first 360 because of the red ring problem but if my new one goes I probably wont even bother.

[Zeevious]

I've not had a problem, but am glad I have an extended warranty.
I almost didn't get it because this is supposed to be the reliable version...now seeing this article & some of the issues I'm glad I did.

I hope you get yours back soon.
Till then, I've heard rumors of something new, called: "outside"

That runs even when your game console is in the shop...Just not sure how it links into Live's Achievements!

[SilPho]

I don't own a 360, but I still hope this isn't true. I'm sick of RRoD jokes and stabs at Microsoft's hardware quality, really sick of it.

[PirateThom]

Sadly, as consumers we should all be sick of it, rather than the denial some people seem to show.

The hardware was designed by chimps, while the OS was designed by Shakespeare.

[Bucky Sligo]

I actualy don't know what the issue is. Get it changed out for free, how hard is that? It's worth the effort considering the amount of gaming you do on it.

[tojfs7931]

So why be sick... think of all the poor saps that actually bought zunes.

[JokesOnYou]

I guess sony loyalists don't want to read the news for what it says, NOBODY is in denial that 360's still break, the defect rate isn't going to ever be zero, but this news reports that the manager of UK's leading repair service said

"we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year."

Now you guys are twisting it as if just because there are still "some" 360's that break, its still a epidemic of console failures. ha ha it seems as if sony loyalists are the ones in denial that the failure rate is much improved. I wonder why?

JOY

[Black_Jack]

so your beloved company had to release a new more expensive sku to reduce their poor failiure rate? last time i checked they were selling premiums at my local gamestore. nobody is in denial, you know the issue still exists you're just happy to live with it.

which is fine of course.

p.s i love my pc

[Testo]

JOY
""we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year." ""

Not to attack you or anything but don't you think that Microsoft would have a contract in effect to prevent these guys from saying anything.

Could you imagine how log they would be in business if they started saying "Wow the Elites are coming in faster then the old models"

Microsoft would have their @sses.

[JokesOnYou]

"i could put in to google image search, 360 elite RRoD and find picture after picture of RRoD'd boxes. That to me is an issue."

That just shows your logic, micro has admitted a high failure rate and responded with a 3 yr warranty, so of course you can google pics of many RROD 360's, but can you provide any creditable source reporting a epidemic hardware failures of the current falcon 360's still exist, in fact if it was the case then those reports would be all over n4g like soon after the 360 released, followed by a year of reports with data from forums(owners), polls, repair shops, and retailers ALL speaking very LOUDLY about the huge amount of hardware failures. Now almost no reports, except 1 occasional story with a quote from 1 gamer, that contained errors, and later was identified as a re-report of old news by Spong.

"so your beloved company had to release a new more expensive sku to reduce their poor failiure rate?"

ha ha this just shows how your hate confuses you, first of all IF that was the reason for releasing the Elite, so what, why is releasing a more reliable sku a bad thing, would you rather them release a less-reliable sku than the premium, second Elites were introduced to make a more attractive console for those who want hdmi and larger hdd, that has nothing to do with older already sold 360's that are prone to defect which is why micro implemented a warranty. Nothing about my comments remotely say I'm "happy to live with it." In fact my past comments I have said micro deserves the scrutiny because its their fault but at the same time they have admitted it and taken action, reports indicate theres been a significant improvement and for those who unfortunately still have a problem will get it fixed free of charge.... this is a simple case of no matter what micro does it will never ever be good enough for sony loyalists, in other news GAMERS continue to buy 360's, maybe because they like to play games and don't think the new model 360's will instantly break 10x's like sony folks here at n4g and IF it does they are comfortable with getting it fixed for FREE, unlike sony with ps2.

Blackjack, source please, no really just link to a source.... *crickets*...

Testo: "don't you think that Microsoft would have a contract in effect to prevent these guys from saying anything."

-huh, not to attack you or anything but thats just stupid, same sony loyalist BS, if a source says something negative about micro= "OMG look I told you so" but if they report positive news= "OMG look micro paid them off, thats sooooooooo old, easiest trick out of the sdf handbook, try harder please.

question: If this issue is anywhere close to being as bad as it used to be then why aren't large amounts of *360 owners complaining all the 360 related forum sites like they did after launch and the 1st year? Did they suddenly just stop caring that their 360 doesn't work but keep buying games?

JOY

[Testo]

LOL, I might me a Sony fan but I'm definitely not a member of the SDF.

If what you are saying regarding this article then I agree with you. This might just be old fodder rehashed.

Don't hate me dude. =)

By the way, legal contract does not mean payed off!

[tojfs7931]

Microsoft should have better quality control standards. Just a thought.

[uckitsayitchbay]

good enough??

http://forums.slickdeals.ne...

[Black_Jack]

looks like the the jokes on you, that long winded rant, pretty much gets you nowhere. if you're reponding to my statements at least be relevent.

i could find source after source but what would be the point you'd discredit them as sony fanboys or just plain fake. iv not dipped my toe into this next gen yet, and this is the reason why.

[kewlkat007]

...maybe I'm lucky.

I've already cut MS some slack this gen, being the Original Xbox was a fn Tank.

If this wasn't an initial Design problem, then this is a case of Strategy partially gone wrong. In the race to come out first, the manufacturing department somehow forgot this meaning.

"Quality assurance, or QA for short, is the set of planned and systematic actions necessary to provide appropriate confidence that a product or service will satisfy the requirements for quality."

I'm expecting a much much better Xbox 720 design/build. In the meantime I'm enjoying the AAA titles regardless. I don't believe every Xbox 360 will go up in flames.

[sevanig]

Soon Mate, all the old models will fail

[wicked]

If you read the story they are saying they have had very few problems with the Elite since it was launched in the UK last year. So I think you will be OK.

[Why o why]

who's ahad any 360 that hasnt failed on them. At the moment my mates faliure rate is 100% which is poor. Defend it all you want. its poor. The airflow thing seems to be the main fault

[Mighty Boom]

console one year ago too. But I got RROD this weekend! My console was well ventilated. It just happend when I turned it on. So now I have to go through the same process of receiving the coffin, shipping it out and waiting again just like I did when my premium 360 RROD. Its BS. Im super pissed.

[Testo]

I only know roughly 5 other people with a 360.

Fortunately mine has been the only one without the RROD.

But I did wait until the new model came out.

P.S. I know one of my friends tried to fix his RROD with the new "X-clamp RROD fix". His worked for a few weeks then went back to RROD.

Another guy tried it and its still running strong.

[LastDance]

im astonished at how poorly built the xbox is/was..

this is no attack on ya down below...but the fact you said "my only crapped on me once" is pretty sad....you say ONLY once. for me thats once two many! im not sure how people put up with it.

[Kratos19]

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[SKullDugger]

How is your firmware 2.40 workin for ya?? Say what? SONY had to pull it because it was bricking consoles, OMG!! not SONY they never do anything wrong.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Nobody i know has had FW 2.4 issues.Nobody on this site has mentioned they've had FW 2.4 issues.Maybe 10-15 poor unlucky people had a problem.

But that's Nowhere near the millions of bricked 360 consoles.

[zapass]

2.4 is silky smooth buddy, thx for asking XD

I must admit, those 'elite' RRODs are kinda cute...
red flashing on black looks way cooler than on beige

[mariusmal]

i own an premium x360. my only crapped on me once. i got 1 red ring, the guys from assistance said it was the upscaler chip. and since i also experienced problems with the dvd drive they replaced that too with a new and more quieter drive. the good thing ? only one week i got my x360 back from germany. and yeah i live in portugal.

[mariusmal]

how in the world i got an disagree ? i was just telling my story sheesh

[BoneMagnus]

I'm very ignorant about such things, but the reason I ask is because my launch 360 finally got the RROD about 2 weeks after upgrading to a 120G HD. It was always well ventilated and in my basement - much cooler than the rest of the house.

It may be completely unrelated - just asking, and don't "disagree" because I'm not making a statement, only asking a question.

[Fishy Fingers]

I suppose it would give off slightly more than the smaller HDD as it may have much more data to read, larger physical read space on the disc etc. But the difference would be marginal, a few degrees maybe, nothing to concern yourself with.

In any case, the HDD is essentially an external component on the 360, it shouldn't contribute to the internal temp in anyway.

[Bladestar]

""I can't really comment on that story in today's Daily Mirror. All I can say is that we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year."

So from Micromart's point of view there is no widespread or 'endemic' problem with Xbox 360 Elites overheating and suffering the dreaded three red rings." where are those two b!tche$?

I am talking about zapass and juuken... just like always.. you base your stupid anti xbox comments on bull crap that's always proven to be fake or made up... There.. directly from the source... the people who actually does the repairing...

This article proves that I've said all alone.. Sony leg humpers have $h!t for brains... and simply repeat what other xbox 360 haters say... regardless of the facts...

Yes true that many xbox 360 suffered of the RROD.. but to try to spread rumors about the elite or later models is just a cheap, low attempt of trying to sell a few more PS3...

[QueefyB]

hey bladestar i read your comment and i dont want to offend you man but you sounded very much like the crackheads who i pass by on the streets you know those guys who are always dancing in the streets and are drinking you know so i thought how can i respond to bladestar and help him through his difficult time but i read kratos19 comment and i agreed so i will just paste the laughing part because i think for now the best medicine is laughter;
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[Why o why]

if he hid then he's being a hypocrite. anyway we all knew it was the same box just in black. nothing is different enough to erradicate rrod

[ROCCOZILLA]

me and my son went into game stop sunday and it was packed.there was a lady that asked if the xbox was wi fi internet like the ps3,lol and the guy said no you just need an adt.well there it was, it now cost more than a 40gb PS3!then a kid asked why the PS3 was the only console on,and he said that the wii wasnt turned on and the 360,are you guys ready.....RROD,i was almost on the floor.i told the lady on the side to go with the PS3,it NEVER fails.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaay B 3 Y O N D !!!

[juuken]

...*falls over laughing*

[Rims]

Only dumb ASS xflop owners buy them.

[SpaZaA]

Think of it this way.
Any manufacturer in the past that released hardware with this much problems would either do a massive recall or get their asses sued off.

MS is setting a terrible precedent for manufactured goods.

Whoopidy-doo 3 year warranty. Products that WORK have those. US consumers (in particular) allowing this kind of poorly manufactured electronics on the market and in many ways ENCOURAGING IT, are setting themselves up for future problems with other goods.

Any failure rate over 1% is NOT acceptable.

[OutLaw]

Everything you said is the truth and I'm one of those US consumers you talk about.

[Mighty Boom]

Failure rate for 360's is %100! A Premium, and as of this weekend, an Elite. ALL my friends who own a 360 have had problems with RROD. Im so disgusted with this company right now. I feel like they dont care. Their robotic customer support staff does nothing of value for me. They told me I would get no new parts like the smaller chip. They will use the same 90nm chip if it is the chip. Sucks.

[SpaZaA]

I as well am North American.

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

I thought, being a PS3 owner, that I was patient. I don't know how you 360 guys do it.

[tojfs7931]

I have a ps3.

[Hellraizer]

All those sites take mirror.co.uk as source, who apparently just took the story from an year ago about the 1bil $ that ms has taken for RROD repairs...

This same stuff was reported exactly an year ago 07/06/2008

Mirror states that MS has sold 12 mio. consoles, which are also numbers from 2007

I cant believe this stuff gets approved.

[The Wood]

my good friend was the last man standing out of my 360 mates. I actually feel bad for him. Yeah we use to have diggs at each other and he kinda knew this might happen but I was pissed for him all the same. Everything in this world seems to have an Achilles heel.

[JoelR]

out of the millions sold....the video chip issue seems small:
"500 a year –is quite a major problem"
That statement seems to be a big huge exaggeration...
if you do the math on very conservative numbers

500 /2000000 is .00025%(and that assumes EU only has 2 million....)
that is more of a statistical anomaly then a significant figure.

I think you can say that the video chip issue is minor to the extreme

as for Elites and RRoD - it also seems more of an anomaly rather then a significant issue

[JokesOnYou]

Sony loyalists don't want to read the news, it actually is positive news for micro, according to UK's biggest console repair service 360 failure rates are much improved, theres no evidence/reports of a high failure rate for Elites or current 360's. The Daily Mirror story was a re-report of old news where they added Elite with no source which is why its reminiscent of a story ran on July 6th *2007* by Spong and this news says:

"I can't really comment on that story in today's Daily Mirror. All I can say is that we have had very few Elites in for repair since they launched last year." -Geoff Croft, Customer Service Manager at the UK's leading console repair service Micromart

how that equals a still ongoing epedimic failure rate of 360's is beyond me, but then again this is the alternate reality known as n4g.

JOY

[The Wood]

but apply that logic to the 2.40 update bricking. Mountain out of a mole hill dont you think. Anyway time will tell. Its too early to call epidemic and too early to say there's no problem at all or call anomaly.

[Perverted]

One of my friends is on their 4th 360 and two of them have been elites! The great thing is my 2006 pro is still going strong :D

[tk]

I thought the Elite model had the bigger heatsink?

[Hoggy1983]

This is the same nonsense thats already been posted. The amount of biased drivel on here is astounding. Its hard to actually remain objective and argue reasonably on here, im just about ready to play PS3 fans at their own immature game.

[Zeevious]

What is biased, nonsense or based on immature PS3 fans about two articles in two different papers concerning new-model 360's having this problem?

What does this have to do with immature PS3 fans at all?
Do you mean the reaction here...the seemingly eternal PS3 vs. 360 banter/nonsense?

While there are plenty of fanbrats (I think 'fanboy' is too nice a word) none of them wrote these articles or published them in two papers.

This has brought an issue up that will have me including "and be sure to get the extended warranty" with any recommendation I give to any friends or family about getting an Elite.

In that sense alone I'm glad I saw the article.

[Hoggy1983]

I just dont actually see where the story is in this. When taking the info of this article on board, you'll notice it that it debunks the rumour that Xbox Elites are actually failing. Everyone knows 360 has had more than its share of technical problems but I believe theyre in the past. Furthermore I feel more vehemont about this as I know that the Mirror is a very unreliable source whereas usually other avenues for submissions are more alien to myself. Perhaps, in that light, i should be more forgiving of those who are alien to the integrity of these newspapers. Im simply fed up of PS3 owners making pendantic statements in order to annoy Xbox owners.

Edit: What was the second newspaper, aside from the Mirror, to publish this story out of interest bud?

[Zeevious]

I don't understand the confrontational 'my consoles better' who's 2nd/who's 3rd, on either side. (Wii being the #1 console) I could see Microsoft & Sony execs getting into the ring and battling it out but for every gamer on every side, why fight?

The end result for us is better cheaper game systems, better games and more competitive features.

Thanks for giving me a clear reply.
I can see what you mean about the type of paper and the continual console attacks, though on both sides...

As far as the Mirror, I'd give less credit to it as a tabloid, unless there was a picture of a UFO or Bigfoot in it.

[cliffbo]

how can MS get away with this? it beggars belief that they can continue to disregard their fanbase without so much as a 'sorry'. the damn machine is riddled with problems, from design to SKU. i mean, how can you promote downloadable content over Blu-ray and then release a machine without a HDD?! that's stunning stupidity

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

Is there any type of 360 that isn't?

Or are there any 360s at all that aren't?

[beavis4play]

why is ms still struggling with this? it's been 3 years and there is still an rrod issue? one of the largest and richest companies in the world can't get a handle on this? unf*cking believeable.

[DFresh]

Microsoft should of waited and test their products before releasing them.
360 has some good games but the reliability and problems that come with it aren't worth the energy just save yourself the trouble and buy yourself a better console something like the PS3.
MS is after that 1st quick dollar and that's it.
They're short term haven't planned fro the long term.

So what makes you think the 720 won't be any different compared to the 360 when it comes to reliability problems.

Damn!
I'd rather deal w/ PC issues than a 360 when it comes to fixing hardware.

[SKullDugger]

I'd rather deal with 360 issues and enjoy all the great games it has to offer then the Blu-Ray movie player that does games also aka PS3. The PS3 is a good system I just don't care for its game lineup.

[SKullDugger]

SONY should have waited until they had some games and they should still be waiting!!!!

[chinmoku]

Waiting is good. Microsoft pays for every exklusive title. Why should Sony wait then?
a complaint without contemplating the topic.

[ScottEFresh]

This is why I will never buy ANY 360 model EVER.

[Obama]

Borked borked the puto-pigs got borked.

Who said elites are rrod free? XD

[IPlayGames]

I've had to two 360's 1 broke cause of the disk tray motor and the other had the forth ring of death(Which xbox told is worse than the three rings).

So now my dilemma is i also have a PS3 which some good game are coming out for now so should i really spend another $300 just so i could play gears 2?

[HB-Sauce]

How much do you value Gears? Because if its not worth 300 dollars then don't go for it. For consoles, I couldn't bring myself to buy a machine that could potentially make me jump through hoops or even buy multiple versions to play the games, no matter how good they are.

[athlon770]

I would wait till Gears2 comes out, by then the 3rd revision of the 360 motherboard will be out with the 65nm processor and video chip. If you are no longer under warranty with the 360, and sending it in to have it repaired will cost too much, and you don't want to go that route, then hold off if you can. The 360 is getting better with the motherboard updates. And the updated (smaller) video chip with help all the more.

Good luck with what you decide.

[IPlayGames]

Yeah ill prob wait until Nov. to get another 1. my friends is really bugging me to get so we can play civilization but i wouldn't even get that if i owned a 360 already.

Anyways gears 2 and Rock Band 2 justifies $300 on a new console. I cant let over $100 of RB downloads go to waits (thats the best drinking game ever).

[Covenant]

I don't know about anyone else, but I went through four Pros (yes, FOUR) before upgrading to an Elite (thank you, Best Buy replacement plan)...and the Elite has been far, far quieter and cooler than any of my Pros ever were.

None of my Pros ever lasted more than a few months...my Elite is on its 10th month of intensive use.

[poopface1]

those may still be crap, I have one(premium zephyr) so this isnt good news for me. However im not worried, The current one it the falcon. Im waiting for at least another revision to bring mine back to BB. Hopefully they have a 60gb HD standard by then. Mine hasnt broken yet so I dont care.

The real question we should ask ourselves is "if ps3 fanboy hates xbox360 so much, why does they care soooooooooo much if mine might break."

[MIAMIFROST]

Funny, how some people are on their 3rd and 4th xbox.

Dont you get it....its a piece of crap hardware.

Microsoft should just do software and let toshiba or someone else make the console.

[tojfs7931]

Thats what they have in mind.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I had my Elite since day one of launch and had no problems ever.

[jif86]

dead, buried, old, over-shawdowed, crap

Use whatever word you like the most.

PS3 FTW!!!

[SKullDugger]

All you little Sony boys are out and clicking the disagrees, 2 bad you losers don't have any games 2 play and hey take some of your spare time and research why the 80GB PS3 was MIA for so long. Well at least u guys have folding @ home.

[PoSTedUP]

lol every gamer has games dummy. are you upset over the news? yea?

this is old news.

[juuken]

Hey dipsh*t, if you have so many games to play, then why aren't you playing them?

CRYBABY!

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[juuken]

*hums dreaded ring o' fire song*

[Tunerboy8732]

Im sick of all this RROD BS.Every person here that had a RROD problem had a older zephyr.Those were doomed from the get go.The 90nm chips got to hot and broke the cheap seal causing it to overheat.I have a 360 pro falcon that has the 65nm CPU with a much better seal and a additional heatsink for the GPU and the 175 watt power supply which means it runs cooler and use less power and its awesome.Ive had mine for over 4 months now and it works perfect.The RROD is old news.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Does the inside of the console actually catch fire or does it turn red to say "Hot! Hot!! I!! NEED!!! AIIIIIIIR!!!!!!"? I'm just curious because I don't have a 360 (for this very reason, I might Add)

[wallace1000]

When my launch console went south it got the three rings because heat caused the motherboard to warp, therefore causing the GPU to lift off the motherboard. I was playing gears, the graphics went all funny, then after restarting i had rings. My new one has been great though.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Sega rushed their game systems too and look what happened. Then, mere months after the Dreamcast bites it, Xbox comes drunkenly stumbling in with the exact same strategy. And the worst part of it is, the dumbass Xbots fall for it again and again.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, to be honest. Let's go with laugh.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! !!!!

That felt good.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Once upon a time there was a dude from the 360 named Master Chief. Then Solid Snake from the PS3 shot him in the face! The End.

EPIC!!!!

[wallace1000]

People have to remember that statistically 3,000 units out of every 100,000 should fail. I am not saying this isn't the RROD problem that we have seen with original 360s, but if this is only affecting 'hundreds of users' then depending on sales numbers this should be expected. Does anyone know how many elites have been sold in the UK, because if so we can figure out how many would normally fail?

[TerrorCell]

it is quite funny that many people are experiencing RROD with gears of war. my 360 was exactly the same. my mates 360 also. maybe it pushes the graphics chipset to far. well at least with older consoles. i only have a PS3 now but can say from all the people i have spoken to the problems with 360 are a lot better than they used to be. am considering buying another one for GOW2. but probably not till GOW2 comes out. then all bugs should definately be ironed out. on another note i finally upgraded televsion from a HD projector (1080i) to a Full sony bravia 1080p LCD. i will never say again that 1080p is not required...

[wallace1000]

That is interesting, i wonder if Gears does push the 360 pretty hard. My 360 is always well ventilated too, on an open shelf. I had been playing Gears for about 2 months and playing a lot before my 360 died.

[dmbatty]

For anyone not convinced that the Elites are getting RROD - they are, or at least mine has. Purchased July 07 and froze last week followed by the RROD. Not convinced it overheated as I had only just turned it on and I had had no previous problems with this console. However this will be my third repair as I had an original 360 that RROD 3 times. 3rd time I traded for an Elite believing that the problems had been solved with this version - maybe I'm just unlucky. If it wasn't for the games and community through xbox live, I'm afraid I would have given up on Microsoft a while ago. Instead I have now purchased a spare console to keep me going when one breaks - assuming they don't break at the same time!

Perhaps RROD is a clever marketing ploy by Microsoft to encourage gamers to own a backup console?

[Snukadaman]

for someone who just signed onto this website... we tend to believe people who have the console they say that breaks on them in their bio on the bottom.....no gamertag no credibility...same goes for the ps3.

[PimpHandHappy]

and i remember hearing 360 xbutts telling us all the RROD issue was a thing of the past!

hahahahahahahaha

I wont be buying anything from MS now!

they have screwed up the gaming market because lack of 4ward thinking and they have stuck that duence money hat on all your heads!

the death of the xbot is closer then we think

[PimpHandHappy]

2-4% is the normal fail rate for consumer eltronics

yea thats NORMAL

[reincarnated]

I WAS ACTUALLY THINKIN OF BUYIN A 360 OR A WII.. I HAVE A PS3 AND I LOVE IT, I AM A PS3 FANBOY BUT I JUST THE THE 360 TO COMPARE MULTIPLATFORM GAMES MYSELF CUZ EVERY ONE IS HATING ON THE PS3 AND MAKE THEM SEEM FLUSHED OUT... SO ITS EITHER A 360 OR A WII OR MAYBE EVEN A GAMING RIG... ANYONE IS WELCOME TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION!! (SORRY FOR THE CAPS, MY CAPS KEY GOT JAMMED IN=[[)

[Xbox is the BEST]

is fine

[Xbox is the BEST]

problems here

[deno]

My elite never had any issues at all. It sits on my tv stand and just sits.

[waljaber]

try to turn it on and start playing :)

[Chapulin]

Waiting for box to ship it back to MS. Hope I get it back in a month and not have to send it back again.

[slave2Dcontroller]

I have been holding out for a 360 in hopes a more reliable SKU surfacing before GeOW2 Ships. I'm gonna be mightg pissed if RROD prevents me playing Gears2. I'm buying one just for that and Gears1(which I already bought). I like the feeling of turning on my PS3 without worrying if its going to brick.

Hopefully MS will give us that same comfort in the near future, I would have honestly had a 360 by now if it wasnt for RROD.

Anyways, heres hoping MS gets a trouble free box out to you and heres hoping that they fix this problem all together.

[princejb134]

i thought this has stopped
havent heard anyone lately mention their consoles getting rrod

[waljaber]

i wondered how M$ sold that much of consoles!! it's because of those idiots who kept buying it for several times ^_^ , petty .

[Solid_Snake666]

its a pice of crap

[fireofpunishment]

It just goes to show you M$ way of fixing the 360's overheating problem is to give the same hardware a new name,change the color and tell the consumer, problem fixed.

[fireofpunishment]

Not going to happen M$ already has a new system in the works to release around 2010-2011, because it would make no business sense to try and fix this problem now

[slave2Dcontroller]

I'm just going to have to chance it. I'm honestly buying my 360 for GeOW2 and GeOW1(LOVE THE FRANCHISE). If it(360) can just let me burn myself out on these 2 games I will be a happy man. I dont plan on investing heavily in it, so after I polish off Gears 1 & 2 it really wont get much use. I'm giving the 360 one chance. If mines RRODz the replacement will be headed to Gamestop or EB or GameCrazy to be sold the minute MS ships it back to me.

No offense to the 360 owners who are bound to disagree with me. I think the 360 is a cool console minus the complications.

[keapon]

Err, they are still developing new 360 boards, and the latest one, Falcon, seems to have made them better (although still worse than the average consumer electronics). An even newer version, Jasper, will start shipping around August or September this year. Probably the most notable improvement is a smaller GPU. Since the GPUs aren't very well placed and can be the cause of overheating issues, the Jasper could turn out to be a good improvement.

So if you want a 360 for Gears 2, see if you can find a Jasper in October or November. I imagine there will be webpages up telling you how to tell the difference. Falcons can be identified by a lower wattage IIRC, Jaspers may well be the same way.

[poopface1]

look on the ouside of the box. there should be a sticker with 4 barcodes an some text. In the first line otll say what version it is.
My first line says: XBOX360 SYSTEM EN/ES US HDER NTSC ZEPHYR.
It also says it uses 203wats. The new current ones(falcon) use less power. so the new one will probaly use less power.

aBOVE THAT IT SAYS: team: CSON

I wonder if some teams are better than others. Either way I have a zephyr, an it might crap out some day. I got mine last year so it might not say which one it is anymore.

[killnotic]

I finally got an X-Box 360 Elite so this is bad news for me. I've noticed the power brick does heat up really fast, but the system itself does not--at least it doesn't get any hotter than my PS3. I do hope I'm one of those who has a working Elite, because I've only had it a few days now and I love the damn thing already.

[poopface1]

those are better than the early elite, which were zephyrs. I got the pro zephyr(the first with the HDmI) I think that the RRod is alot more likley on the zephyr than the falcon. Good luck!!!

[slave2Dcontroller]

I BS you not. I have 2 cousins that have had RROD issues "with" proper care and ventillation. One is on his 4th replacement which is working fine and the lucky SOB won another Hero skinned 360 through a Decal Girl sweepstakes and it too is still working fine. My other cousin has had both a 20gb SKU and an Elite RROD on him so he's on his 3rd. Havent seen him in a while but hopefully his is holding up as well.

Keeping my fingers cross that when I get mines in Nov that its issue free. I really dont know wth is going on. The story may be lacking proof but I have witnessed numerous accounts of this problem with my own eyes. Plus I wouldnt dare rule out all the post that I have read from 360 owners having RROD, thats unfair to them.

[Snukadaman]

Funny how people actually reported the story debunking this story 3-4 times in one sitting...cmon n4g moderators....lets try and keep it fair at least....lets try and stop these sort of campaigns....inmates running the asylum does not work even for the asylums. on my 3rd xbox out of 2 and on my 7th month of no rrod....on my 3rd month of my elite with no rrod.

[animboo]

even if elite is different shouldnt ms recall all the 360 that is prone to rrod and replaced them with elite instead. better yet stop selling xbox 360 that isnt elite, ms owe it to their fans to keep them happy, they're the one keeping food in your damn ms table. stop with this damn business and money making scheme and solve the damn proble m ms.

[Rampant]

BioShock 96
Orange Box, The 96
Gears of War 94
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 94
Halo 3 2007 94

You know what all these games have in common? They are all on the 360 and they are all rated better or the same as the topscoring PS3-game MGS4