Microsoft: PS3 is just a next-generation DVD player

Sony has by many been accused of being somewhat arrogant in the way they talk about their competitors in the next-gen console war. However Microsoft is far from passive in this war of words. In a recent interview with SPOnG European Xbox chief Neil Thompson said that PlayStation 3 is representing little more than a shiny new DVD player. As much as Thompson wants this to be true, calling the PS3 nothing more than a next-gen DVD player is a bit overboard.

Speaking to SPOnG, he said, "I think [Sony] has missed the ball, in that it's not really a next-generation games player – it's a next-generation DVD player. For us, that's great news, because we think we make the next-generation games console." Thompson continues, "We've got the content to back that up, we've got Xbox Live to back that up, we've got price-points that are very compelling. If gamers are desperate to get the next-generation DVD player, then they'll start considering Blu-Ray and the PS3. But Sony is the company that brought us Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD – I'm not convinced people today will go and bet the farm on buying a Blu-Ray disc."

[Anerythristic26]

Sony has called it everything but a game system. These comments are brutal but have merit. Sony sees this system as a BluRay Drive / Computer.

[FamoAmo]

If you look at the big picture Sony is making the console for the blu ray!! What better way to get a blu ray drive in most homes by putting it in a game console that bears the name Sony Playstation?? Sony is only thinking of them,selves not the consumer. MS is relatively new into console's and They listen to the consumer and respond with action. Sony on the other hand takes a whole year more to release b/c of the blu ray drive that they are forcing people to buy!! If blu ray prevails Sony is rich as hell but if it loses Sony is screwed big time.. So Is it a blu ray drive? YES for Sony its all about the blu ray drive not the console.. I think thats what this guy is saying!!

[Shadow Flare]

If the PS3 is a next-gen dvd player, then what is the xbox 360 a next-gen system of?

A next-gen game system you say? Barely

What's next gen about the 360, the better graphics? Whoopty freakin doo.

And xbox live isn't next gen, the old xbox did it and it could handle the 360 live updates aswell im sure.

If the ps3 is anext-gen dvd player, then i guess that makes the 360...a current gen dvd player? haha

Think of any reasons the 360 should be classified as next-gen, tell me

[Lucidmantra]

A next-gen game system you say? Barely

What's next gen about the 360, the better graphics? Whoopty freakin doo.

10 times the power and speed of the xbox, a massive amount more of memory, faster bus speed, better system planning, outstanding dev tools, a superior GPU, 3 core processor at 3.4 Ghz, gigantic pipeline for data. All leading to better, faster more detailed games...
NEW-GEN - Check

And xbox live isn't next gen, the old xbox did it and it could handle the 360 live updates aswell im sure.

Addition of achievements, game play trends in players, player submitted conduct cards to judge a player by, zones of game play attitude, downloadable content, game upgrades and patching thru a persistent online system that has seen little to no service breaks that were scheduled.
NEW-GEN - CHECK

If the ps3 is anext-gen dvd player, then i guess that makes the 360...a current gen dvd player? haha

Yes it plays DVDs with progressive scan. So you are right.

Think of any reasons the 360 should be classified as next-gen, tell me

It might not be YOUR particular type of new-gen since Sony has you convinced that you have to reinvent the whell to be new-gen. (i dont call it next gen, the 360 is released, old gen is now ps2,xbox, gamecube..the ps3 and wii will be out probibly before the end of the year.) You need to evaluate what new-gen is to you and purchase accordingly but please don't buy into hype that says you have to have 7 processors, a new media format, blah blah blah. If that is what you like buy it. If you think it will be all that and a bag of chips, I hope it is for you. I like my 360, it is not without problems which MS is addressing as fast as possible. Yesz I had one burn up, yes they gave me a new version 2 system all i had to do was wait 8 days. Yes, some games are underwhelming, yes some are great. The same will be for you when the PS3 comes out. Sony has had problems with every console they have released so far. It wont change this gen either, due to the fact of the complexities of their technology. I wish you alot of luck with your PS3, i will probibly join you sooner or later.

[TheMART]

And maybe even a BetaBluRay system that will not even become standard.

No standard = no or less support. There you go with your expensive PS3-videoplayer.

Furthermore, he is right about the other mediaplayers like Minidisc, Betamax and UMD. It all failed.

Sony did well with launching PS1, they lied a lot with PS2 but allright it was nice. They lied even more with the PS3 and going the wrong way. Down it is

[Shadow Flare]

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/...

[clayton]

I think all the smart consumers should boycott Sony considering what they did, by having a rootkit installed on your pc without your knowledge whenever you play a Sony Music Cd in your PC. They are nothing but crooks.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

My father bought a betamax player, I have owned 4 different tape walkmans and 2 cd walkmans, one mini disc player and a PS1. They all broke with in 6 months.
I refuse to buy sony now, and i hate them as a company. they are crooks, con artists, liars and make overpriced cruddy products that instantly break.
and as for their cd spyware... i'm not surprised.

sony treat their customers like crap.

[SjaakHaas]

I also have a MD player. It didn't broke but the support is soooo poor these days. I still think it was a better product than cd's but hey, the majoraty of the consumers didnt. I think this will be the same with the PS3.

My Sony Cybershot DID broke down. And the support was just dumb and bad. I didnt wanted to send it for repairs for like $50 so i kept the Cybershot. Lateron i smacked it a few times and tried it again... and it worked.... :| Dumb mechanics and bad verry support at Sony's

[greenlynxx]

Of course it is a game system as well but that is clearly not the focus of the system. It is true that those are hard words coming from MS but they are simply stating the obvious.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

it's sony's own fault.

i think he was being fair. I would just would have called it a next generation piece of crap.

[GrimFang4]

And the PS2 was a next-gen CD-ROM player, right?

[OutLaw]

I understand us saying something against Sony because we buy their products. But honestly if MS say something does that make it fact? No. We all know that it's a business and both companies are going to sling mud at each other.

[TheMART]

It was a fact even before MS highlighted it.

Sony themselves say BetaBluRay is the innovation on movie playback. WHile HDMI will be limited and not be able to play up @1080p.

So one pays for a non standard BR drive which has no real use.

And they say themselves that the PS3 is not a game console. Sony says it's a sort of PC that's upgradable.

Yup right. It's the next Betamax product

[OutLaw]

I know it was a fact. I was just pointing out how MS will play on anything that occurs and the same could be said for Sony. But I know you and others here are very educated in whats going on. I was just stating us the consumers saying something against Sony seems more appropriate and unbias than MS.

[Patrick]

Think I just about made my mind up about you. You seem very anti Sony and PS3 just like I am anti MS. PS3 will be more than a Next gen dvd player. But, it will also be a next gen dvd player. It will be more than the 360 since 360 is barely Next gen anyway.

[HyperBear]

That this is all true. In the short time Microsoft has been around in the gaming world, they've actually listened to what people wanted in their systems and what they wanted to play. Sony on the other hand, only focuses on the 1 big thing about their system, obv. PS3 = Blu-Ray, and not on what people would rather have in their ps3, say like a working system seeing is how the 2 teraflop thing maybe false and the ps3 running at 3.2Ghz, may be dropped down to 2.4, because of the blu-ray drive. Notice how when Xbox 360 came out, they didnt put in HD DVD, and why, cause at that time, for 1. They werent concerned with next-gen video fromatting, 2. They saw what it could do to the Xbox 360's power, and left it out, and 3. HD DVD wasnt a big hit until like a month before Xbox 360 launched, so they decided to make it a special add-on that will be available this holiday. If only Sony knew how to focus on the big thing, which is new next-gen games, then they may have something, but thanks to the Blu-Ray slowing the Cell and RSX and everything in the PS3 down, Xbox 360 can now look up to bigger and better things to improve their system especially with the HD DVD drive add-on, wireless headset, xbox live Vision, the wireless racing wheel for Forza 2, and making more kick @$$ games like Gears of War & Halo 3.
Sony you can say is dead in the water, with maybe only about 10 games at launch, none of which have been talked about a lot, and with not many developers as Xbox 360, Sony may want to think about maybe just getting rid of the Blu-Ray, concentrate more on the GAMES!!!, and maybe later add the blu-ray onto the ps3. Thats what Microsoft is doing with the HD DVD, so maybe Sony may want to copy them like they've done in the past already.

[PS360PCROCKS]

yeah I agree with most of what you said, but Sony has a problem in their business model consists of how they can make the most money on their products and not how they can make the best quality of their products, it's apparent. Sony thinks this all out before, and it started with ps2 they added DVD in PS2 because, yes they own movie studios and if you have a shiny new player, well of course your going to use it, I did. With the PS3 they've only gotten worse, forcing consumers to adopt the blu-ray, which at the time is not known or widely accepted as the DVD was when the PS2 came out, and why do they do this? "Brand Loyalty" they know you will buy whatever they put out, doesn't that irritate you? That they are just like yea we have "Brand Loyalty" so were not worried about what we do or put out, they'll buy it...Their pushing Blu-ray to help their studios, their movie sales and profits, they want to have Sony Live gaming, at the expense of the developers which won't happen but they have "Brand Loyalty" they are trying to push Dl'ing movies, music, and anything with the "Sony" name behind it, everything this company does is with it's best interest involved and with the way they can make the money. I'm sorry but I disagree with this philosophy, espescially when it totally takes away from quality of your merchandise. They have a "history of over promising and under delivering" remember hearing this? It's ironic that when the Dreamcast came out they put out rumors and lies to make their system sound better. Again with the PS3, they showed CGI and said it was real, they promised things and a launch date just long enough to keep you on their side till this E3, than when they finally showed what they had it was not very impressive, while certain features had gone MIA. I'm not sure about you, but that's why I bought my 360, their business model is one of lies and deceit, and profit. Customers come first, because their the ones who actually buy the products. But you see Sony doesn't need to put you first, they have "Brand Loyalty"

[THELANDSOFSAND]

I agree about Sony games- another reason not to buy the PS3 is it's game line up (gran tur(d)ismo HD?!! why?!)

I want new, interesting next gen titles, not PS2 games with better graphics. Sony, show me the games!

[andy capps]

He could have mentioned the formats that Sony was a part of that did have success: CD's, DVD's, DV tapes, mini-DV tapes, and SACD's. You can reference Answers.com under Sony Corporation to see what formats they partnered in. You win some, you lose some. He could have also mentioned how MS gives consumers more choice by using a last generation media format (DVD-9), 20 GB (before formatting) harddrive that costs $100, wireless internet adapter for $100, $50 wireless controllers, $11.99 rechargeable battery pack, $39.99 propietary format 64 MB memory units, $19.99 play and charge kit, $50/year for Xbox live. What a value.

Of course the Playstation 3 is a next generation DVD player, but it's also a gaming system, a very powerful one at that.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

according to sony it's a computer.

(not that tax loopholes have anything to do with that...)

[Retard]

Guys; while Blu-Ray seems to have everyone here pissed off; I'll embrace it because of what it has as a possibly for games.

Microsoft is saying what here? That they're just a standard DVD player?

Xbox360 is an amazing console, as PS3 will be an amazing one.

[FamoAmo]

If you think the 360 accessories are bad wait for the ps3. Not only that the games will be like 70$. Sony also said free basic online. No multiplayer online for free so expect the cost for online and not anything like XBL b/c MS has online gaming owned. Also Blu Ray for Sony is by far the biggest gamble they have ever made this is do or die for Sony. If the ps3 doesnt sell like hot cakes you will never see 1 again and thats forreal!! ALSO DVD-9 is fine. Oblivion used the disc no problem and plenty of room for games on the disc. Besides 1080p which I gurantee you don't have a tv that supports it what do you got? A Blu Ray player and a gaming console that can bearly compete with the 360 graphic wise!!

[Retard]

PC does; PC always will... PC is the most flexible.

[Moostache]

OK, so the price of add-ons has your underwear in a bunch....let's speculate for a second on the "ancilliary" costs of PS3 ownership:

Online gaming fees (yes, the "service" is free, but since Sony is not building the gaming architecture to go with that service it means a per game fee from the developers - unless it is "sponsored" like Madden was for PS2) Let's be generous and assume that gamers will play 2 games a month that they will pay an online fee for access to multiplayer servers and the game developers do not try to stick it to them too badly, charging only $5 a month to play. Sounds reasonable? Yes, until you look at your annual costs now - Sony and partners will have gouged you for an extra $120 a year (2 games x $5/mo. x 12 months). XBL Gold is $50 a year. To match the online gaming price of XBL, the developers of games for PS3 with online capabilities are going to have to charge no more than $4 a month - and that will still only cover one publisher's server access. If you like to play online a lot and play games from several publishers, better hope that price is a lot less.

PS3 fans need to come out of their fantasyland and realize that servers and bandwidth and maintenance of the system is not free. Sony can offer you a "free" online experience because they are not footing any of those costs. They just dropped it down to the developers. Think that creates a lot of happy developers? On the one hand they have MS and XBL and full online gaming support via the already built network. On the other hand, they have Sony and get to build their own online infrastructure to have online gaming. I bet at some point you will see games that are XBL-enabled become SP-only affairs on PS3 simply because of this situation.

As for the other add-ons - controllers, battery packs, memory devices - if you honestly believe that Sony is just going to GIVE those types of thigns to you out of the goodness of their heart, then you truly are naive. Those things will have Sony equivalents and they will have equivalent pricing as well, so again, no dice on your "but $400 is really MORE than $600" argument...

[billybob]

I knew it was only a matter of time before you guys started you spamming again.
Your whole post makes no sense you make it out like to use a 360 you have to pay an extra 371.79(I added it up). And that is a load of BS. Let’s go down the list shall we? The hard drive comes with a premium and with a premium you get a head set and free month of live so take that out. And who says you need a wireless adaptor? I don’t use one so I guess we don’t need that do we? 50 dollar controllers? What’s your point there? The 360 comes with one if you want more you have to buy them. do you think sony will give you them for free? Memory units why do you need one if you have a hard drive? And again do you think sony will give them out for free too? Now why in the hell would some one buy a rechargeable battery pack and a play and charge kit? And finally 50 bucks for live, well all I have to say about that is let’s wait and see how much sony charges for there service before you knock the 50 dollar price.
not Now better than half of the things you Listed arent necessary so what’s your point? that if you buy all the 360 accessories it is expensive? That you have to pay for extra controllers’ or a memory card (that you don’t even need if you have a hd)? Or maybe you’re just a troll that’s mad because he doesn’t have a ps3 yet so he comes to a 360 site to makes himself look like a fool? Next time think before you post lest you show people just how stupid you really are ;)

[SjaakHaas]

Those formats aren't Sony Exclusive.

CD: Philips technologie, Sony joined in.
DVD: Philips AND Sony based on Toshiba's SD code.
DV: Sony and Panasonic.
SACD: Philips AND Sony.

Philips is very often underestimated. Thats because the have much less cash spend on commercials and advertising.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Believe what you want, but if you believe Sony isn't going to rape you for every cent they can on accessories, your lost in your own little world. Your controllers are wireless with bluetooth, unneccessary at best and much more expensive, Games on Blu-Ray, etc etc etc. but you see all you did is cement my last comment and show how Sony does business, the best interests of the consumer are not ever used, it's just what they can push and force you to adopt, so they can make a larger profit. I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend $50 on a wireless controller, than $70 on one with bluetooth, maybe more now since it's motion sensitive.

[Phytonadione]

"PS3 fans need to come out of their fantasyland and realize that servers and bandwidth and maintenance of the system is not free"
Would you please explain this statement? How will the developement of servers for online games for the PS3 be any different than for the pc? I would imagine that a game that is popular to play online (good quality overall) would sell better, therefore the it would be in the developer's intrest to make it as accessible as possible (free). Hell, most pc games aren't even paid for (spelled pirated), and yet the developers for most (not including mmorpgs) games make their online component free. But if you know the reason it will not be possible for the PS3, please respond, as I am very intrested to hear the reason.

[THAMMER1]

Xbox 360($400.00) 2 extra joysticks not counting the one in the box so 3 total ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) and one year of Xbox live ($50.00) = ($670.00) before tax.

PS3 ($600.00) 3x joysticks ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) = ($820.00) before tax.

A difference of $150.00 for a weaker game console that plays great movies. LOL

Most parents will see PS3 on their kids x-mas list and say f ()ck PS3. Just look at it realistically. The average consumer not fans boys or nerds or even you idol worshipers (ps3 FAN BOYS). I mean people who look at the back of the box and then price tag and don’t give a damn about Blue Ray or a brand name will not pay that much for a toy. They will not see it as an investment or any of the other crap Sony tries to pump. I hope that the PS3 dose well for the sake of competition in the game industry but it just don’t look good right now.

[TheMART]

Philips invented the CD/DVD. Sony didn't they just bought themselfs in

[omansteveo]

Damn why are thy doing this its so lame everything in sonys world revolves around Sony Pictures and they do whatever it takes to push that.
Looking back i can actually say im not suprise i mean look at it the PS2 put over 100 million DVD players into peoples homes and sony's DVD sales sky rocketed.
Looking now even with the PSP they were just testing grounds for the big picture the PS3, think about new storage format movie studios went nuts with UMD's at first cranking out movie after movie, why? do you ask bc they figured that Playstation name alone would sell it for them.
Fast forward ahead a year and look at the PS3 they have the same gameplan just on a broader scale and they're hoping to replicate the success they had with the PS2 with the PS3 but this time they want to control the format that way they profit from royalties from every movie studio thats going to support it.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

yeah, the exact problem with Sony is that they are trying to do a PS2 with the PS3- but this is a very different market with different competetion and TOTALLY NEW areas of gaming. Yet sony keep the same business plan. They want the industry to stay the same, for the PS3 to be slightly better for than the PS2 and for all the gamers to stay the same and buy their crap.

Well sorry sony, you dropped the ball. Things change, you have not.

[Retard]

Changed? Are you saying Mircosoft has changed for the better by sticking to a standard? Or that Wii will dominate because of it's not-so-normal-controller?

No matter what is said; It'll play out the same; Xbox360, PS3, Wii (I hate that name) will all most likly be great in it's own way.

Xbox360; has an excellent online service

Wii;there innoventive ways

PS3; Blu-Ray games (I might be crazy but I'd like a game with 25/50/100 GB)

[Moostache]

I am sorry to bring up a subject from many other similar threads, but Blu-Ray for gaming is a pipe dream. Search this forum and go look at the comparisoon between Crysis and Reality photos. The take the time to realize that Crysis is a PC-only title that will be published on DVD-9!!!!! (Heck, it may even be launched on multiple CD-ROMS like many PC games still are).

If a game with in-game graphics engine and capabilities like THAT can still be published on DVD-9, then what exactly is the developer's incentive to make a BIGGER game on BD?

- it would costs exponentially more to create games that use that space.
- it would take 3-4 years to develop a single game of that size, essentially if a studio had already started developing game content to completely fill a BD (and I do NOT mean CGI cut scenes in HD-resolution either), then they just MIGHT be able to release that game in time for the holiday season...of 2008 or even Sprin 2009!!
- it would fly in the face of the existing gaming trend (shorter games that essentially havea ready-made sequel just by putting in the added material and re-selling the game a year or two later)and that would cost a lot of money.

But the bottom line is that although I do believe there are still a lot of good reasons to get a PS3 (if that's your thing), waiting for Blu-Ray to advance gaming is NOT one of them...

[Marriot VP]

retard I'll say it right now. You'll never get a 25gb game in the next 4 years. Unless it's a compelation of two or three.

[Phytonadione]

You guys are just ASSUMING that there will never be a need for a 25gb disk. Given the choice, as a developer, which would you rather have? And don't think about what your girlfriends tell you in the sack...."no honey, size really doesn't matter to me...." :)
But in all seriousness, maybe Sony was thinking about Square-Enix when they decided to us Blu-ray. You know how those guys (and most RPG developers) love their cinematics. Imagine those scantily clad anime honeys in full 1080p HD glory cut-scenes, jumping around, frolicking in the sun, rolling around in a grassy meadow, touching each other's hair, whispering sweet nothings in each other's ears.....damn, got to go change my shorts....

[zerofunction]

Since when did we need 25/50/100 Gb disk for a game? Do you really belive everything Sony tells you? How many games have taken that amount of space? I even dare say we wont need that much room for awile, in addition to that how many devs are willing to spend another 2-4 years on top of the 2-3 years it takes to develop the game. If there was an outcry from the devs about not having enough room then i could understand upgrading, but not to those lengths.

And Blue Ray? Did you buy a ps2 because it played DvD's? Probably not. Or is it because Sony said its the next big thing and every fan boy must follow the lead. If the roles were reversed and Microsoft was in Sonys postition, Microsoft would be crusified and Sony hailed as the true next gen console. Im so sick of everyone not being able to see the fat elephant in the room and call it like it is.

[PS360PCROCKS]

"it’s now about the content. One thing we are at Microsoft is persistent. We hate losing, we hate not succeeding and we will be very, very persistent in Japan." See this is why I bought the 360, company with apparent morals. Non to mention better console :)

[mikeeno7]

i struggle to comprehend why Sony insists on shooting themselves in the leg day by day. Lets face it: Sony is a Hardware company, they lead the videogame market but have no experience in games. The games matter more than any other fancy hardware feature, this is why i will always stick with Nintendo and Microsoft. To the people who say the playstations have greater diversity in its selection of games, then i reply that 90% of the games are sub-standard and average, and that first party games are rapidly decreasing for the system.

[USMChardcharger]

so finally some one at M$ takes a shot back. the way the introduction to the article reads, it makes it sound like M$ does it all the time.

[Kid Sidious]

You should check out this article PS3 in all it's glory and then read the Backwards Compatible article on this website

http://bg21.bloggerteam.com...

It really opened my eyes to a lot of things

[jwatt]

"For us, that’s great news, because we think we make the next-generation games console." Thompson continues, "We’ve got the content to back that up"

That's because your the only next-gen console on the market you retard. Just because Sony is hyping the ps3 as a computer or a Blu-ray player doesn't mean the real focus for the ps3 is not games. Most Major developers even said they will dedicate most of thier work to the ps3. People already Know the ps3 will be a gaming monster but Sony wants to show that the ps3 is more than that.

[FamoAmo]

You comment makes me laugh it's retarded!

[PS360PCROCKS]

yea so they can rape you for more money go figure

[PS3Lord]

I most I heard about such incident is because of the owner try to mod the ps2 and fry the cpu chip. The PS2 was fix later on and consumers were cool. Ooh, just because M$ deliver a defected system and offer to fix it, doesn't that give you a damn since of clue of what is there intention. Any fool coul see that they rush the damn launch and trash it as well. What is this about 2 HDMI port on the PS3? Isn't because of you 360 fans whom complain about having no use of 2 HDMI port over the summer? That we don't even need one to begain with. NOw all of you said we should get 2? All you peoples are sad, for bring up such stupid reason. They remove it because of fake fans like your stupid ass. So the games at E3 06 is all CGI as well? Ooh yes, I still remember when some fool from your 360 camp gone and watch the game play vid. on E3 floor and claim once again that is CG, eventhough there is peoples playing and lining up to play. WOW, unbelievedable of how pathetic and such ignorance all of you 360 fans are willing say and do inorder to make the PS3 look back.

[PS360PCROCKS]

what world do u live in? yeah they said it would have 2 HDMI and now it has one, if any...

[TheMART]

ssj04 go and see the footage of Sony @ last years E3 (2005) where they told themselves 2 x HDMI port would be on 360...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And after watching that please shut up. I bet your brain shrinked after you did play too much on your PS2

[PS3Lord]

Ooh if M$ are willing to spend there money on you consumers inorder to make all you happen. Then tell me why did they charge all of you pathetic 360 fans for playing games online? If they have so much money and care about your stupid ass fans so much than why didn't they just give it to you for free? Answer that before claiming some stupid moronic sh1te.

[clayton]

They spent alot of time and money to make XBox Live what it is today, which is the most established and first online gaming console! I would charge for it too

[PS360PCROCKS]

Uh because sony will as well just wait

[Madmax1281980]

i like paying for xbox live i think its better than playing online on a pc due to the fact its harder to cheat on xbox live. if it werent for microsoft inventing xbox live sony wouldnt even have an online service. and dont think that the ps3 live will be free coz sony charge for playing everquest 2 online.

[clayton]

When everyone said that Assassin's Creed was the best looking PS3 game at the show, only to find out that it was running on an XBOX 360 with an aftermarket PS2 controller hooked to it. LOL Where did you go to school Wal-Mart?

[PS3Lord]

Are you in fairy land again dude? because it seem like you are? Only 360 fans would believed in such fairy tale story, that are posted in there website. Do you remember when you claim that UT2007, DMC4, MGS4, FFXIII are all going to the 360 as well? wow with all of thoes BS claim coming from your website, and you still willing to believed more BS? now that is just sad... Why don't you get yourself with more proof and more reliable source than come back and start this claim over agian. alright

[Jay da 2KBalla]

is that ps3 lord, you are going to be looking like a total ass when Assasins credd is on the 360.

[dantesparda]

People, ask any developer, what the weakest aspect of the xbox360 is and they will tell you, its the DVD-9. Developers want more space and thats a fact! Now I am not advocating for Sony or Blu-Ray (I also think its overkill), but lets not get over ourselves and out of control and think and believe that everything is all hunky-dory. Developers do want more space, and its only a matter of time before you start seeing bigger than 8.5 gig games. And also, alot of games now, use compression in order to keep'em small (heck if you can call 4 gigs small), so in umcompressed form they would be much bigger, but the graphics/textures would be sharper, because when you compress, unless you are using a really good compression algorithm, it will result in blurrier, less detailed textures, more repetition of textures and objects and less variety. So let's not go acting like we know how it works. When its obviously to me that you's dont. Not dont get me wrong, i dont want bigger games (games to take up more space than 4.38 gigs, but Im just trying to say that it is alot easier than you think to fill up over 8.5 gigs (which is what DVD-9 disc is). And to the people who think a 100 dollars for a 20 gig SATA (im not even sure if its 7200rpm) with probably only 2 meg cache HD is good deal then i got a 30 gig 7200 rpm 2 meg cache UATA HD that i'll sell you's for $100 ;-) .And its 2.8GHz that the Ps3 cpu is being lowered to, not 2.4. And clock cycles are not comparable from one processor architecture to another, however, i do not like Cell's processor architecture and prefer Xbox'es more general approach, however both CPU's have bad cache set ups, and Sony's is worst! Btw both systems are limited by their 128bit bus, they both should have had 256bit bus'es. Heck my 9800rpo has a 256 bit!

[PS360PCROCKS]

Your correct on a lot of what you say but I want to add I think Microsoft decided against pushing something that might not succeed. Not to mention the last games machines lasted 4-6 years, by 2010-2012 I bet you will see new systems, probably before games start taking up all that space. I bet Microsoft has a way to use HD-DVD if it's necessary for gaming, and if they dont, than that sucks but oh well

[Jay da 2KBalla]

The only developers that say that are either sony owned dev studios OR jap dev studios because japs love to add pre rendered video into games which takes up alot of space instead of doing it in engine. Also since you want to talk about how compression makes graphics blurry, Oblivion uses procedural synthesis which is a compression method and I dont know if you have played Oblivion but it has extemely realistic forests. And lets not forget that microsoft is a software company and arguably the best one in the world so I think they got compression under control. And thats the straight up truth.