Microsoft: PS3 is just a next-generation DVD player

Sony has by many been accused of being somewhat arrogant in the way they talk about their competitors in the next-gen console war. However Microsoft is far from passive in this war of words. In a recent interview with SPOnG European Xbox chief Neil Thompson said that PlayStation 3 is representing little more than a shiny new DVD player. As much as Thompson wants this to be true, calling the PS3 nothing more than a next-gen DVD player is a bit overboard.

Speaking to SPOnG, he said, "I think [Sony] has missed the ball, in that it's not really a next-generation games player – it's a next-generation DVD player. For us, that's great news, because we think we make the next-generation games console." Thompson continues, "We've got the content to back that up, we've got Xbox Live to back that up, we've got price-points that are very compelling. If gamers are desperate to get the next-generation DVD player, then they'll start considering Blu-Ray and the PS3. But Sony is the company that brought us Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD – I'm not convinced people today will go and bet the farm on buying a Blu-Ray disc."

[Anerythristic26]

Sony has called it everything but a game system. These comments are brutal but have merit. Sony sees this system as a BluRay Drive / Computer.

[FamoAmo]

If you look at the big picture Sony is making the console for the blu ray!! What better way to get a blu ray drive in most homes by putting it in a game console that bears the name Sony Playstation?? Sony is only thinking of them,selves not the consumer. MS is relatively new into console's and They listen to the consumer and respond with action. Sony on the other hand takes a whole year more to release b/c of the blu ray drive that they are forcing people to buy!! If blu ray prevails Sony is rich as hell but if it loses Sony is screwed big time.. So Is it a blu ray drive? YES for Sony its all about the blu ray drive not the console.. I think thats what this guy is saying!!

[Shadow Flare]

If the PS3 is a next-gen dvd player, then what is the xbox 360 a next-gen system of?

A next-gen game system you say? Barely

What's next gen about the 360, the better graphics? Whoopty freakin doo.

And xbox live isn't next gen, the old xbox did it and it could handle the 360 live updates aswell im sure.

If the ps3 is anext-gen dvd player, then i guess that makes the 360...a current gen dvd player? haha

Think of any reasons the 360 should be classified as next-gen, tell me

[Lucidmantra]

A next-gen game system you say? Barely

What's next gen about the 360, the better graphics? Whoopty freakin doo.

10 times the power and speed of the xbox, a massive amount more of memory, faster bus speed, better system planning, outstanding dev tools, a superior GPU, 3 core processor at 3.4 Ghz, gigantic pipeline for data. All leading to better, faster more detailed games...
NEW-GEN - Check

And xbox live isn't next gen, the old xbox did it and it could handle the 360 live updates aswell im sure.

Addition of achievements, game play trends in players, player submitted conduct cards to judge a player by, zones of game play attitude, downloadable content, game upgrades and patching thru a persistent online system that has seen little to no service breaks that were scheduled.
NEW-GEN - CHECK

If the ps3 is anext-gen dvd player, then i guess that makes the 360...a current gen dvd player? haha

Yes it plays DVDs with progressive scan. So you are right.

Think of any reasons the 360 should be classified as next-gen, tell me

It might not be YOUR particular type of new-gen since Sony has you convinced that you have to reinvent the whell to be new-gen. (i dont call it next gen, the 360 is released, old gen is now ps2,xbox, gamecube..the ps3 and wii will be out probibly before the end of the year.) You need to evaluate what new-gen is to you and purchase accordingly but please don't buy into hype that says you have to have 7 processors, a new media format, blah blah blah. If that is what you like buy it. If you think it will be all that and a bag of chips, I hope it is for you. I like my 360, it is not without problems which MS is addressing as fast as possible. Yesz I had one burn up, yes they gave me a new version 2 system all i had to do was wait 8 days. Yes, some games are underwhelming, yes some are great. The same will be for you when the PS3 comes out. Sony has had problems with every console they have released so far. It wont change this gen either, due to the fact of the complexities of their technology. I wish you alot of luck with your PS3, i will probibly join you sooner or later.

[TheMART]

And maybe even a BetaBluRay system that will not even become standard.

No standard = no or less support. There you go with your expensive PS3-videoplayer.

Furthermore, he is right about the other mediaplayers like Minidisc, Betamax and UMD. It all failed.

Sony did well with launching PS1, they lied a lot with PS2 but allright it was nice. They lied even more with the PS3 and going the wrong way. Down it is

[Shadow Flare]

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/...

[clayton]

I think all the smart consumers should boycott Sony considering what they did, by having a rootkit installed on your pc without your knowledge whenever you play a Sony Music Cd in your PC. They are nothing but crooks.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

My father bought a betamax player, I have owned 4 different tape walkmans and 2 cd walkmans, one mini disc player and a PS1. They all broke with in 6 months.
I refuse to buy sony now, and i hate them as a company. they are crooks, con artists, liars and make overpriced cruddy products that instantly break.
and as for their cd spyware... i'm not surprised.

sony treat their customers like crap.

[SjaakHaas]

I also have a MD player. It didn't broke but the support is soooo poor these days. I still think it was a better product than cd's but hey, the majoraty of the consumers didnt. I think this will be the same with the PS3.

My Sony Cybershot DID broke down. And the support was just dumb and bad. I didnt wanted to send it for repairs for like $50 so i kept the Cybershot. Lateron i smacked it a few times and tried it again... and it worked.... :| Dumb mechanics and bad verry support at Sony's

[greenlynxx]

Of course it is a game system as well but that is clearly not the focus of the system. It is true that those are hard words coming from MS but they are simply stating the obvious.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

it's sony's own fault.

i think he was being fair. I would just would have called it a next generation piece of crap.

[GrimFang4]

And the PS2 was a next-gen CD-ROM player, right?

[OutLaw]

I understand us saying something against Sony because we buy their products. But honestly if MS say something does that make it fact? No. We all know that it's a business and both companies are going to sling mud at each other.

[TheMART]

It was a fact even before MS highlighted it.

Sony themselves say BetaBluRay is the innovation on movie playback. WHile HDMI will be limited and not be able to play up @1080p.

So one pays for a non standard BR drive which has no real use.

And they say themselves that the PS3 is not a game console. Sony says it's a sort of PC that's upgradable.

Yup right. It's the next Betamax product

[OutLaw]

I know it was a fact. I was just pointing out how MS will play on anything that occurs and the same could be said for Sony. But I know you and others here are very educated in whats going on. I was just stating us the consumers saying something against Sony seems more appropriate and unbias than MS.

[Patrick]

Think I just about made my mind up about you. You seem very anti Sony and PS3 just like I am anti MS. PS3 will be more than a Next gen dvd player. But, it will also be a next gen dvd player. It will be more than the 360 since 360 is barely Next gen anyway.

[HyperBear]

That this is all true. In the short time Microsoft has been around in the gaming world, they've actually listened to what people wanted in their systems and what they wanted to play. Sony on the other hand, only focuses on the 1 big thing about their system, obv. PS3 = Blu-Ray, and not on what people would rather have in their ps3, say like a working system seeing is how the 2 teraflop thing maybe false and the ps3 running at 3.2Ghz, may be dropped down to 2.4, because of the blu-ray drive. Notice how when Xbox 360 came out, they didnt put in HD DVD, and why, cause at that time, for 1. They werent concerned with next-gen video fromatting, 2. They saw what it could do to the Xbox 360's power, and left it out, and 3. HD DVD wasnt a big hit until like a month before Xbox 360 launched, so they decided to make it a special add-on that will be available this holiday. If only Sony knew how to focus on the big thing, which is new next-gen games, then they may have something, but thanks to the Blu-Ray slowing the Cell and RSX and everything in the PS3 down, Xbox 360 can now look up to bigger and better things to improve their system especially with the HD DVD drive add-on, wireless headset, xbox live Vision, the wireless racing wheel for Forza 2, and making more kick @$$ games like Gears of War & Halo 3.
Sony you can say is dead in the water, with maybe only about 10 games at launch, none of which have been talked about a lot, and with not many developers as Xbox 360, Sony may want to think about maybe just getting rid of the Blu-Ray, concentrate more on the GAMES!!!, and maybe later add the blu-ray onto the ps3. Thats what Microsoft is doing with the HD DVD, so maybe Sony may want to copy them like they've done in the past already.

[PS360PCROCKS]

yeah I agree with most of what you said, but Sony has a problem in their business model consists of how they can make the most money on their products and not how they can make the best quality of their products, it's apparent. Sony thinks this all out before, and it started with ps2 they added DVD in PS2 because, yes they own movie studios and if you have a shiny new player, well of course your going to use it, I did. With the PS3 they've only gotten worse, forcing consumers to adopt the blu-ray, which at the time is not known or widely accepted as the DVD was when the PS2 came out, and why do they do this? "Brand Loyalty" they know you will buy whatever they put out, doesn't that irritate you? That they are just like yea we have "Brand Loyalty" so were not worried about what we do or put out, they'll buy it...Their pushing Blu-ray to help their studios, their movie sales and profits, they want to have Sony Live gaming, at the expense of the developers which won't happen but they have "Brand Loyalty" they are trying to push Dl'ing movies, music, and anything with the "Sony" name behind it, everything this company does is with it's best interest involved and with the way they can make the money. I'm sorry but I disagree with this philosophy, espescially when it totally takes away from quality of your merchandise. They have a "history of over promising and under delivering" remember hearing this? It's ironic that when the Dreamcast came out they put out rumors and lies to make their system sound better. Again with the PS3, they showed CGI and said it was real, they promised things and a launch date just long enough to keep you on their side till this E3, than when they finally showed what they had it was not very impressive, while certain features had gone MIA. I'm not sure about you, but that's why I bought my 360, their business model is one of lies and deceit, and profit. Customers come first, because their the ones who actually buy the products. But you see Sony doesn't need to put you first, they have "Brand Loyalty"

[THELANDSOFSAND]

I agree about Sony games- another reason not to buy the PS3 is it's game line up (gran tur(d)ismo HD?!! why?!)

I want new, interesting next gen titles, not PS2 games with better graphics. Sony, show me the games!

[andy capps]

He could have mentioned the formats that Sony was a part of that did have success: CD's, DVD's, DV tapes, mini-DV tapes, and SACD's. You can reference Answers.com under Sony Corporation to see what formats they partnered in. You win some, you lose some. He could have also mentioned how MS gives consumers more choice by using a last generation media format (DVD-9), 20 GB (before formatting) harddrive that costs $100, wireless internet adapter for $100, $50 wireless controllers, $11.99 rechargeable battery pack, $39.99 propietary format 64 MB memory units, $19.99 play and charge kit, $50/year for Xbox live. What a value.

Of course the Playstation 3 is a next generation DVD player, but it's also a gaming system, a very powerful one at that.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

according to sony it's a computer.

(not that tax loopholes have anything to do with that...)

[Retard]

Guys; while Blu-Ray seems to have everyone here pissed off; I'll embrace it because of what it has as a possibly for games.

Microsoft is saying what here? That they're just a standard DVD player?

Xbox360 is an amazing console, as PS3 will be an amazing one.

[FamoAmo]

If you think the 360 accessories are bad wait for the ps3. Not only that the games will be like 70$. Sony also said free basic online. No multiplayer online for free so expect the cost for online and not anything like XBL b/c MS has online gaming owned. Also Blu Ray for Sony is by far the biggest gamble they have ever made this is do or die for Sony. If the ps3 doesnt sell like hot cakes you will never see 1 again and thats forreal!! ALSO DVD-9 is fine. Oblivion used the disc no problem and plenty of room for games on the disc. Besides 1080p which I gurantee you don't have a tv that supports it what do you got? A Blu Ray player and a gaming console that can bearly compete with the 360 graphic wise!!

[Retard]

PC does; PC always will... PC is the most flexible.

[Moostache]

OK, so the price of add-ons has your underwear in a bunch....let's speculate for a second on the "ancilliary" costs of PS3 ownership:

Online gaming fees (yes, the "service" is free, but since Sony is not building the gaming architecture to go with that service it means a per game fee from the developers - unless it is "sponsored" like Madden was for PS2) Let's be generous and assume that gamers will play 2 games a month that they will pay an online fee for access to multiplayer servers and the game developers do not try to stick it to them too badly, charging only $5 a month to play. Sounds reasonable? Yes, until you look at your annual costs now - Sony and partners will have gouged you for an extra $120 a year (2 games x $5/mo. x 12 months). XBL Gold is $50 a year. To match the online gaming price of XBL, the developers of games for PS3 with online capabilities are going to have to charge no more than $4 a month - and that will still only cover one publisher's server access. If you like to play online a lot and play games from several publishers, better hope that price is a lot less.

PS3 fans need to come out of their fantasyland and realize that servers and bandwidth and maintenance of the system is not free. Sony can offer you a "free" online experience because they are not footing any of those costs. They just dropped it down to the developers. Think that creates a lot of happy developers? On the one hand they have MS and XBL and full online gaming support via the already built network. On the other hand, they have Sony and get to build their own online infrastructure to have online gaming. I bet at some point you will see games that are XBL-enabled become SP-only affairs on PS3 simply because of this situation.

As for the other add-ons - controllers, battery packs, memory devices - if you honestly believe that Sony is just going to GIVE those types of thigns to you out of the goodness of their heart, then you truly are naive. Those things will have Sony equivalents and they will have equivalent pricing as well, so again, no dice on your "but $400 is really MORE than $600" argument...

[billybob]

I knew it was only a matter of time before you guys started you spamming again.
Your whole post makes no sense you make it out like to use a 360 you have to pay an extra 371.79(I added it up). And that is a load of BS. Let’s go down the list shall we? The hard drive comes with a premium and with a premium you get a head set and free month of live so take that out. And who says you need a wireless adaptor? I don’t use one so I guess we don’t need that do we? 50 dollar controllers? What’s your point there? The 360 comes with one if you want more you have to buy them. do you think sony will give you them for free? Memory units why do you need one if you have a hard drive? And again do you think sony will give them out for free too? Now why in the hell would some one buy a rechargeable battery pack and a play and charge kit? And finally 50 bucks for live, well all I have to say about that is let’s wait and see how much sony charges for there service before you knock the 50 dollar price.
not Now better than half of the things you Listed arent necessary so what’s your point? that if you buy all the 360 accessories it is expensive? That you have to pay for extra controllers’ or a memory card (that you don’t even need if you have a hd)? Or maybe you’re just a troll that’s mad because he doesn’t have a ps3 yet so he comes to a 360 site to makes himself look like a fool? Next time think before you post lest you show people just how stupid you really are ;)

[SjaakHaas]

Those formats aren't Sony Exclusive.

CD: Philips technologie, Sony joined in.
DVD: Philips AND Sony based on Toshiba's SD code.
DV: Sony and Panasonic.
SACD: Philips AND Sony.

Philips is very often underestimated. Thats because the have much less cash spend on commercials and advertising.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Believe what you want, but if you believe Sony isn't going to rape you for every cent they can on accessories, your lost in your own little world. Your controllers are wireless with bluetooth, unneccessary at best and much more expensive, Games on Blu-Ray, etc etc etc. but you see all you did is cement my last comment and show how Sony does business, the best interests of the consumer are not ever used, it's just what they can push and force you to adopt, so they can make a larger profit. I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend $50 on a wireless controller, than $70 on one with bluetooth, maybe more now since it's motion sensitive.

[Phytonadione]

"PS3 fans need to come out of their fantasyland and realize that servers and bandwidth and maintenance of the system is not free"
Would you please explain this statement? How will the developement of servers for online games for the PS3 be any different than for the pc? I would imagine that a game that is popular to play online (good quality overall) would sell better, therefore the it would be in the developer's intrest to make it as accessible as possible (free). Hell, most pc games aren't even paid for (spelled pirated), and yet the developers for most (not including mmorpgs) games make their online component free. But if you know the reason it will not be possible for the PS3, please respond, as I am very intrested to hear the reason.

[THAMMER1]

Xbox 360($400.00) 2 extra joysticks not counting the one in the box so 3 total ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) and one year of Xbox live ($50.00) = ($670.00) before tax.

PS3 ($600.00) 3x joysticks ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) = ($820.00) before tax.

A difference of $150.00 for a weaker game console that plays great movies. LOL

Most parents will see PS3 on their kids x-mas list and say f ()ck PS3. Just look at it realistically. The average consumer not fans boys or nerds or even you idol worshipers (ps3 FAN BOYS). I mean people who look at the back of the box and then price tag and don’t give a damn about Blue Ray or a brand name will not pay that much for a toy. They will not see it as an investment or any of the other crap Sony tries to pump. I hope that the PS3 dose well for the sake of competition in the game industry but it just don’t look good right now.

[TheMART]

Philips invented the CD/DVD. Sony didn't they just bought themselfs in

[omansteveo]

Damn why are thy doing this its so lame everything in sonys world revolves around Sony Pictures and they do whatever it takes to push that.
Looking back i can actually say im not suprise i mean look at it the PS2 put over 100 million DVD players into peoples homes and sony's DVD sales sky rocketed.
Looking now even with the PSP they were just testing grounds for the big picture the PS3, think about new storage format movie studios went nuts with UMD's at first cranking out movie after movie, why? do you ask bc they figured that Playstation name alone would sell it for them.
Fast forward ahead a year and look at the PS3 they have the same gameplan just on a broader scale and they're hoping to replicate the success they had with the PS2 with the PS3 but this time they want to control the format that way they profit from royalties from every movie studio thats going to support it.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

yeah, the exact problem with Sony is that they are trying to do a PS2 with the PS3- but this is a very different market with different competetion and TOTALLY NEW areas of gaming. Yet sony keep the same business plan. They want the industry to stay the same, for the PS3 to be slightly better for than the PS2 and for all the gamers to stay the same and buy their crap.

Well sorry sony, you dropped the ball. Things change, you have not.

[Retard]

Changed? Are you saying Mircosoft has changed for the better by sticking to a standard? Or that Wii will dominate because of it's not-so-normal-controller?

No matter what is said; It'll play out the same; Xbox360, PS3, Wii (I hate that name) will all most likly be great in it's own way.

Xbox360; has an excellent online service

Wii;there innoventive ways

PS3; Blu-Ray games (I might be crazy but I'd like a game with 25/50/100 GB)

[Moostache]

I am sorry to bring up a subject from many other similar threads, but Blu-Ray for gaming is a pipe dream. Search this forum and go look at the comparisoon between Crysis and Reality photos. The take the time to realize that Crysis is a PC-only title that will be published on DVD-9!!!!! (Heck, it may even be launched on multiple CD-ROMS like many PC games still are).

If a game with in-game graphics engine and capabilities like THAT can still be published on DVD-9, then what exactly is the developer's incentive to make a BIGGER game on BD?

- it would costs exponentially more to create games that use that space.
- it would take 3-4 years to develop a single game of that size, essentially if a studio had already started developing game content to completely fill a BD (and I do NOT mean CGI cut scenes in HD-resolution either), then they just MIGHT be able to release that game in time for the holiday season...of 2008 or even Sprin 2009!!
- it would fly in the face of the existing gaming trend (shorter games that essentially havea ready-made sequel just by putting in the added material and re-selling the game a year or two later)and that would cost a lot of money.

But the bottom line is that although I do believe there are still a lot of good reasons to get a PS3 (if that's your thing), waiting for Blu-Ray to advance gaming is NOT one of them...

[Marriot VP]

retard I'll say it right now. You'll never get a 25gb game in the next 4 years. Unless it's a compelation of two or three.

[Phytonadione]

You guys are just ASSUMING that there will never be a need for a 25gb disk. Given the choice, as a developer, which would you rather have? And don't think about what your girlfriends tell you in the sack...."no honey, size really doesn't matter to me...." :)
But in all seriousness, maybe Sony was thinking about Square-Enix when they decided to us Blu-ray. You know how those guys (and most RPG developers) love their cinematics. Imagine those scantily clad anime honeys in full 1080p HD glory cut-scenes, jumping around, frolicking in the sun, rolling around in a grassy meadow, touching each other's hair, whispering sweet nothings in each other's ears.....damn, got to go change my shorts....

[zerofunction]

Since when did we need 25/50/100 Gb disk for a game? Do you really belive everything Sony tells you? How many games have taken that amount of space? I even dare say we wont need that much room for awile, in addition to that how many devs are willing to spend another 2-4 years on top of the 2-3 years it takes to develop the game. If there was an outcry from the devs about not having enough room then i could understand upgrading, but not to those lengths.

And Blue Ray? Did you buy a ps2 because it played DvD's? Probably not. Or is it because Sony said its the next big thing and every fan boy must follow the lead. If the roles were reversed and Microsoft was in Sonys postition, Microsoft would be crusified and Sony hailed as the true next gen console. Im so sick of everyone not being able to see the fat elephant in the room and call it like it is.

[PS360PCROCKS]

"it’s now about the content. One thing we are at Microsoft is persistent. We hate losing, we hate not succeeding and we will be very, very persistent in Japan." See this is why I bought the 360, company with apparent morals. Non to mention better console :)

[mikeeno7]

i struggle to comprehend why Sony insists on shooting themselves in the leg day by day. Lets face it: Sony is a Hardware company, they lead the videogame market but have no experience in games. The games matter more than any other fancy hardware feature, this is why i will always stick with Nintendo and Microsoft. To the people who say the playstations have greater diversity in its selection of games, then i reply that 90% of the games are sub-standard and average, and that first party games are rapidly decreasing for the system.

[USMChardcharger]

so finally some one at M$ takes a shot back. the way the introduction to the article reads, it makes it sound like M$ does it all the time.

[Kid Sidious]

You should check out this article PS3 in all it's glory and then read the Backwards Compatible article on this website

http://bg21.bloggerteam.com...

It really opened my eyes to a lot of things

[jwatt]

"For us, that’s great news, because we think we make the next-generation games console." Thompson continues, "We’ve got the content to back that up"

That's because your the only next-gen console on the market you retard. Just because Sony is hyping the ps3 as a computer or a Blu-ray player doesn't mean the real focus for the ps3 is not games. Most Major developers even said they will dedicate most of thier work to the ps3. People already Know the ps3 will be a gaming monster but Sony wants to show that the ps3 is more than that.

[FamoAmo]

You comment makes me laugh it's retarded!

[PS360PCROCKS]

yea so they can rape you for more money go figure

[PS3Lord]

I most I heard about such incident is because of the owner try to mod the ps2 and fry the cpu chip. The PS2 was fix later on and consumers were cool. Ooh, just because M$ deliver a defected system and offer to fix it, doesn't that give you a damn since of clue of what is there intention. Any fool coul see that they rush the damn launch and trash it as well. What is this about 2 HDMI port on the PS3? Isn't because of you 360 fans whom complain about having no use of 2 HDMI port over the summer? That we don't even need one to begain with. NOw all of you said we should get 2? All you peoples are sad, for bring up such stupid reason. They remove it because of fake fans like your stupid ass. So the games at E3 06 is all CGI as well? Ooh yes, I still remember when some fool from your 360 camp gone and watch the game play vid. on E3 floor and claim once again that is CG, eventhough there is peoples playing and lining up to play. WOW, unbelievedable of how pathetic and such ignorance all of you 360 fans are willing say and do inorder to make the PS3 look back.

[PS360PCROCKS]

what world do u live in? yeah they said it would have 2 HDMI and now it has one, if any...

[TheMART]

ssj04 go and see the footage of Sony @ last years E3 (2005) where they told themselves 2 x HDMI port would be on 360...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And after watching that please shut up. I bet your brain shrinked after you did play too much on your PS2

[PS3Lord]

Ooh if M$ are willing to spend there money on you consumers inorder to make all you happen. Then tell me why did they charge all of you pathetic 360 fans for playing games online? If they have so much money and care about your stupid ass fans so much than why didn't they just give it to you for free? Answer that before claiming some stupid moronic sh1te.

[clayton]

They spent alot of time and money to make XBox Live what it is today, which is the most established and first online gaming console! I would charge for it too

[PS360PCROCKS]

Uh because sony will as well just wait

[Madmax1281980]

i like paying for xbox live i think its better than playing online on a pc due to the fact its harder to cheat on xbox live. if it werent for microsoft inventing xbox live sony wouldnt even have an online service. and dont think that the ps3 live will be free coz sony charge for playing everquest 2 online.

[clayton]

When everyone said that Assassin's Creed was the best looking PS3 game at the show, only to find out that it was running on an XBOX 360 with an aftermarket PS2 controller hooked to it. LOL Where did you go to school Wal-Mart?

[PS3Lord]

Are you in fairy land again dude? because it seem like you are? Only 360 fans would believed in such fairy tale story, that are posted in there website. Do you remember when you claim that UT2007, DMC4, MGS4, FFXIII are all going to the 360 as well? wow with all of thoes BS claim coming from your website, and you still willing to believed more BS? now that is just sad... Why don't you get yourself with more proof and more reliable source than come back and start this claim over agian. alright

[Jay da 2KBalla]

is that ps3 lord, you are going to be looking like a total ass when Assasins credd is on the 360.

[dantesparda]

People, ask any developer, what the weakest aspect of the xbox360 is and they will tell you, its the DVD-9. Developers want more space and thats a fact! Now I am not advocating for Sony or Blu-Ray (I also think its overkill), but lets not get over ourselves and out of control and think and believe that everything is all hunky-dory. Developers do want more space, and its only a matter of time before you start seeing bigger than 8.5 gig games. And also, alot of games now, use compression in order to keep'em small (heck if you can call 4 gigs small), so in umcompressed form they would be much bigger, but the graphics/textures would be sharper, because when you compress, unless you are using a really good compression algorithm, it will result in blurrier, less detailed textures, more repetition of textures and objects and less variety. So let's not go acting like we know how it works. When its obviously to me that you's dont. Not dont get me wrong, i dont want bigger games (games to take up more space than 4.38 gigs, but Im just trying to say that it is alot easier than you think to fill up over 8.5 gigs (which is what DVD-9 disc is). And to the people who think a 100 dollars for a 20 gig SATA (im not even sure if its 7200rpm) with probably only 2 meg cache HD is good deal then i got a 30 gig 7200 rpm 2 meg cache UATA HD that i'll sell you's for $100 ;-) .And its 2.8GHz that the Ps3 cpu is being lowered to, not 2.4. And clock cycles are not comparable from one processor architecture to another, however, i do not like Cell's processor architecture and prefer Xbox'es more general approach, however both CPU's have bad cache set ups, and Sony's is worst! Btw both systems are limited by their 128bit bus, they both should have had 256bit bus'es. Heck my 9800rpo has a 256 bit!

[PS360PCROCKS]

Your correct on a lot of what you say but I want to add I think Microsoft decided against pushing something that might not succeed. Not to mention the last games machines lasted 4-6 years, by 2010-2012 I bet you will see new systems, probably before games start taking up all that space. I bet Microsoft has a way to use HD-DVD if it's necessary for gaming, and if they dont, than that sucks but oh well

[Jay da 2KBalla]

The only developers that say that are either sony owned dev studios OR jap dev studios because japs love to add pre rendered video into games which takes up alot of space instead of doing it in engine. Also since you want to talk about how compression makes graphics blurry, Oblivion uses procedural synthesis which is a compression method and I dont know if you have played Oblivion but it has extemely realistic forests. And lets not forget that microsoft is a software company and arguably the best one in the world so I think they got compression under control. And thats the straight up truth.

[TheMART]

The large capacity is not nescessary at all.

Last gen games:

90% was 2 to 3 GB's - that fits on one SL DVD

8% was 3 to 4 GB's - still one SL DVD

2% was more then 4 GB's but mostly not more then 6 GB's. Still 2 GB's left on a DL DVD

And what if a game doesn't fit on one DL DVD? Just use two...

[HyperBear]

I agree with everything xbox360rocks has to say here. along with him, me and a few other guys, we are about the only people on here wqith any sense. You Sony fanboys are sooo stupid its not even funny. You can buy a car, for the price of a PS3 with 1 game and 1 accessory. Or you can buy a Wii and a 360 for the price of a PS3. And Blu-Ray isnt even that great, I mean, who in their right fukin mind would use all of the 50GB of the dual-layered Blu-Ray disc. Even games onw dont even come close to 25, only high end quality of RPG's can surpass 25GB, maybe. But you guys(sony fanboys) are really dumb for buying that piece of sh!t. THATS ALL IM SAYING.
hey #18, wats ur gamertag?, or u can just send it to me at [email protected]. Im trying to get exactly 100 ppl on my friends list. Thanks

[PS3Lord]

YOu own a 1980s car don't you? YOu like playing compress and muti-discs games dont you?

Only rpg can surpass 25gb you said? Mark Rain said that the next generation games will be 20gb and more. Now you tell me who to believed you or him? Please before claiming BS, go do yourselve a favor and get more educated.

[HyperBear]

I own 3 mustangs( 1967 Fastback, 1968 Mach 1 & 1965 Coupe), and where the fuk did you get all next gen games will be fukin 20GB plus. ever since the 360 came out, they have all been 15GB and less. Where the hell do you get your info from.

[PS360PCROCKS]

willi B pimpin is my gamertag lol, but I don't have live right now...I have to get renewed so in like a week or so.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

As in the Mark Rein who works at Epic right. First of all Oblivion is an rpg and considered the best one to date by many people in the industry and it is NOT anywhere near 20gb. Hell its not even 10gb. So stfu on that.

And since you like to bring up people who work at epic, I dont here Cliff Blezinski complaining about disc storage so you might want to STFU on that as well. (Cliffy B is the lead designer on Gears of War which is the game that won best console game of E3 2006,best action game of E3 2006, and best game of e3 2005) Now who is to believe?

[SjaakHaas]

Whats wrong with Oldtimers?

I drive a 69 Amazon and it drives GREAT! Better than the best car these days with all the BS extras. When i'm drivin' that car, i'm enjoying driving again.

When i drive a newer car it doesnt mean sh!te, it just feels like "i need to get from A to B". But with my Oldtimer its more like "i need to get from A to B, and i'm really gonna enjoy it." or "i don't need to get from A to B, but helll, lets take it for a spin" :)

... and ofcrouse .... taxfree :P

[PS360PCROCKS]

Huh apparently everyone agrees with me, lol

[PS3Lord]

You are pathetic, how could you claim the 360 is more powerful than the PS3 when Cell processor had proven to be 8 to 14x more powerful than any CPU of today? How could you claim that the 360 gpu is more powerful than the PS3 gpu when the final spec haven't release yet? Now tell me, with that stupid comment of yours, where is the truth to your so call fact?

[PS360PCROCKS]

No one said the 360 was more powerful, the PS3 most likely is, but probably not enough to notice for quite a while

[shotty]

ps3 lord u contradicted yourself again. You said ps3 specs aren't available so we can't compare the xbox 360 gpu against the ps3 but some how you compare the cell to other processors. And the cell is not 8 to 12x more powerful than other processors you idiot unless you are comparing to a pentium 1 or something. You pull facts out of your @$$.

[TheMART]

It's said before, you just believe the Sony lies.

If Sony said your girlfriend would be pretty if you bought a PS3 you would believe it. You are just not the smartest person on planet earth my friend

For real facts read this:

http://wikihost.org/wikis/u...

Or see the video overhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[HyperBear]

This guy is a homo

[The BS Police]

Honestly is that the best insult you can think of?

You'd probbaly like that anyway!

[HyperBear]

please visit, and itll tell u why PS3 sucks soo much @$$:
http://www.kotaku.com/gamin...

[PS3Lord]

Spell whos name? you said, Spell Ken name? Wow are you stupid or what? Where the hell in my comment did I bring up Ken? Stupid fool you need to learned how to read.

[The BS Police]

I think you nead to learn how to stop contradicting yourself!

[Madmax1281980]

YEAH!!! AND U NEED TO LEARN HOW TO SPELL U MONGO LOL.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

The only developers that say that are either sony owned dev studios OR jap dev studios because japs love to add pre rendered video into games which takes up alot of space instead of doing it in engine. Also since you want to talk about how compression makes graphics blurry, Oblivion uses procedural synthesis which is a compression method and I dont know if you have played Oblivion but it has extemely realistic forests. And lets not forget that microsoft is a software company and arguably the best one in the world so I think they got compression under control. And thats the straight up truth.

[PS3Lord]

I never once said compression make games blurry, where the hell you red that?

I guess Mark Rain is own by Sony than right? you are just stupid with your moronic statment.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Mark rein never said that you ass. If he did please give a link.

And the compression make graphics blurry was my bad that was to dantesparda.

But like I said I dont here Cliffy B b*tchin about storage.

[HyperBear]

At least I dont live in my mom's basement asking for a 1000 dollar loan from her so I can buy PS3, cause it sucks soo much @$$. And at least I know what to buy and If i want a broken piece of sh!t, ill buy PS3, but i dont want to right now cause im not an idiot like you. F@G

[PS3Lord]

Do I must say more? I think not.

[PS3Lord]

Sir Nathaniel did, maybe you should go check out your fellow fallowship 360 fans comment before disclaimg my comment.

[HyperBear]

Yea he said it may be a little more powerful than the Xbox 360, but you cant notice it. And besides, i think your even smart enough to realize that the games are most important, and right now, PS3 has SH!t all for games

[PS360PCROCKS]

hmm I guess he did, but he also said they didn't show any evidence it was more powerful, which is true, but who the fuc* cares ANYWAYS??? Like your going to be able to notice that extra pixel or extra little ram,memory, processor power, YOU WONT, lol and if u can well than ps3 games will look better, but I own a 360 so Im not worried about that

[Jay da 2KBalla]

UT2007 will be coming to 360 as well as Assasins creed so once again.lol

PS- SERECT lmaao, rofl ahahaahahahhaaha

[clayton]

And the US kicked their ass, just like microsoft will do to sony, might not be this generation, but you can bet your ass it will be the next one.

[Phytonadione]

give me your home phone number so that I can call your momma and have her slap you silly. The Japanese are a fine people, who have given us such things as: tamagochi, hentai-anime, pokkemon, hello kitty, j-pop, Iron Chef, and the list goes on. We should appreciate their contributions to the world. Oh yeah, and they are the actual World Champions of baseball. Funny huh?

[TheMART]

Oh don't forget that Japanese people love to play games with stories with little childeren being sexually abused...

Urm yeah those people seem to have some common sense...

[PS360PCROCKS]

we kicked whose ass, japan?

[clayton]

Nagasaki and the other city, the US destroyed all to hell!

[Madmax1281980]

and u should be locked up for having the worst spelling in the world u morron

[leon]

hahaha your soo dumb
what the fcuk are you on about "MS delivering a defective product in to your homes" whf?
ive had a 360 since launch...works fine.
and for your comment about the ps3 games at E3 "looking better than the 360's" man thats the lamest thing i have ever heard.
gears of war = ps3 pwned
bioshock=ps3 pwned
forza2=ps3 pwned
halo3=ps3 pwned
masseffect=ps3 pwned

assains creed= running on a debug 360. FACT

all that seemed to be on the ps3 was heavenly sword i admit that looked ok but not better than any thing on the 360

and mark my words DMC4 is coming to the 360.
and what about GTA4 and the exclusivity of the extra "episodes and new content" via xbl??
ps3 just gets the game...no extra content. lmfao

to quote you again
"You are pathetic, how could you claim the 360 is more powerful than the PS3 when Cell processor had proven to be 8 to 14x more powerful than any CPU of today? How could you claim that the 360 gpu is more powerful than the PS3 gpu when the final spec haven't release yet? Now tell me, with that stupid comment of yours, where is the truth to your so call fact? "

yes the cell might be a powerful chip but its STILL a 3.5ghz same as the 3 cores in the 360
and the gfx chipset in the 360 IS better than the one in the PS3

why do you think sony have not released ahem" final specs" since E3 05 ?? because ITS BEEN DOWNGRADED...FOOL

oh read this http://games.slashdot.org/a...

and this

http://www.kotaku.com/gamin...

what happened to 7 controllers ?????
2 hdmi output?????
gigabit ethernet ????
spring launch???????

all you seem to be getting is a gaint crab in genji2.

[HyperBear]

Man ps3lord cant spell, cant get his facts straight, and is literally stupid goin up against like 5 ppl that know what their talking about and agree that PS3 isnt all that it is soo hyped up about

[Jay da 2KBalla]

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL........................

that I could have said that better myself. Good post

And dont forget how UT2007 and Assasins Creed is coming to 360.

[clayton]

Nuff said, pwned!

[SjaakHaas]

i bett i'm pissing my pants of laughter when the first PS3 flaws will show up. Can you send me a video of you crying, maybe with the new Eyetoy perhaps?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Mass effect(won best graphics technology of E3) Bioshock(Game of the show of E3, Best artistic design of E3, Most original game of E3, and best rpg of e3) Forza 2- sequel to best racing sim of 2005, And besides just because you dont like shooting games doesnt make anyone sad but you because you dont give all genres a chance. And mass effect, bioshock, forza2, fable, too human arent shooters. sry sony fanboy

[Grown Folks Talk]

must i again remind everyone of how many anime porn rpgs there are on the ps2? elf eared girls with no nose and big, huge eyes. dudes that look like girls. 13 year old girls with grown woman breasts. ect, ect, ect. the majority of the most promising titles coming in the future of the 360 are not fps, but as usual, you only see what you want to see.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Nice nice I couldn't think of what else they offered that went MIA this E3

[SjaakHaas]

@former questionmark

How do you know that the PS2 got so many anime rpg pron? :D

[Grown Folks Talk]

i work at gamestop, and every other game that comes out for the ps2 is an anime turn based rpg or hack n slash. i see it every day.

[OutLaw]

Calm down.. You don't have to answer every comment that was made for the PS3. Everytime you get mad you start to misspell words and this is how I know you are SSJ04 you write Sony like this. SOny. So just take a deep breathe so that way you don't get banned again.

[Phytonadione]

Ahmen!!!

[The BS Police]

XBOX 360's overheating are now false claims and rumors spread by Sonyfans who never even bought a 360.

That and the fact that some people put there 360's on a heater or a crouded space where it can't ventilate properly... that doesn't prove anything at all!

[The BS Police]

Honestly I never had any overheating issues on my XBOX 360, I only had a glitch on the b/c software on my HDD and Microsoft fixed it for me... and I never even had to pay a single dime.

That website was probably created by Sonyfans A.K.A. PS3Lord.

[clayton]

They would keep dumbasses from registering at this site! The PS3 blows monkey balls, atleast microsoft can get a final revision out, sony can't even manufacture beta-dev kits or a blu-ray player thats worth a damn. I can see the headlines already, "PS3Lord commits suicide because Gaystation lost 90% of it exclusives!" If I was a developer I would laugh at sony, they can't even get their proprietary formats up to snuff, they keep delaying and delaying, next thing you know they will skip blu-ray and ps3 all together and sell balloon animals.

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol nice

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol nice

[Jay da 2KBalla]

"XBOX 360's overheating are now false claims and rumors spread by Sonyfans who never even bought a 360."

Spending your time sreading rumors about a console just because you dont like it and because you dont give other consoles a chacne because of fanboyism is truly sad.

[SjaakHaas]

Word!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

says fawk

[clayton]

I could spell better than PS3Lord if I was typing with my toes. This just goes to show, how dumb you have to be to purchase a PS3!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

yea you would have to be in the words of Carlos Mencia dee to dee dumb to buy a ps3 and this why: SERECT lol aahahahahha lmao

[SjaakHaas]

WoW! Thats amazing PS3Lord has his own website!
Visit www.ps3lord.com for ..... "Content here".

I think he and his website have much in commen. :P

[Grown Folks Talk]

thanks for the link. very imformative. keeps you in the know.

[OutLaw]

I went to the site and just like the member named after it, the site had the same info he provides. Nothing.

[The BS Police]

Yeah this does prove that he knows BS about the PS3... let alone the XBOX 360!

[Defman420]

take a deep breath man geez its only a gaming console. stop making yourself look silly. Dont take it out on us. Wait til your beautiful PS3 comes out before u bash anyone dawg. I can understand your anger though. I felt the same way when the dreamcast went down. Its alright kid, there's other game consoles out waiting for you when, oops i mean "if" PS3 flucks. Just take a deap breath and go get laid or something to help you past the time by til the machine of your choice comes out. Til then, Chill kid.

[badkolo]

Lets not forget kiddies that microsoft has thought this out.

Proof is in the pudding.
Ok the ps2 had a dvd drive and so did the xbox which came out a year later and even though it was included in order for the dvd to play u needed to buy the remote with the plug so the xbox could play the movie.

even a year after the ps2, microsoft saw no reason to make the xbox play dvd's right out the box in a sense. Why, cause the xbox is a gaming machine and a dvd player after that.

same here with the 360, you want to play movies then here oyu go with a addon if not you dont need to bother. For the majority of people buying a new console it wont be a must to have a next gen drive when a dvd looks perfectly fine in a 360.

[billybob]

i thought this new site was going to put an end to the spamming and flame wars? well it looks like this site is the same as the last one. are there even mod's on this site?

[Anerythristic26]

I very rarely flame...if ever. I have to admit I simply love when a post degrades to this level. It is comedy par excellence! It seems to be 3 or 4 PS3 fans that have gone berserk this time. Wonderful.

[Anerythristic26]

Is PS3LORD and PS3WillRule the same person? They sure sound the same. Mods please control these posters.

[THAMMER1]

Xbox 360($400.00) 2 extra joysticks not counting the one in the box so 3 total ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) and one year of Xbox live ($50.00) = ($670.00) before tax.

PS3 ($600.00) 3x joysticks ($100.00) 2 games ($120.00) = ($820.00) before tax.

A difference of $150.00 for a weaker game console that plays great movies. LOL

Most parents will see PS3 on their kids x-mas list and say f ()ck PS3. Just look at it realistically. The average consumer not fans boys or nerds or even you idol worshipers (ps3 FAN BOYS). I mean people who look at the back of the box and then price tag and don’t give a damn about Blue Ray or a brand name will not pay that much for a toy. They will not see it as an investment or any of the other crap Sony tries to pump. I hope that the PS3 dose well for the sake of competition in the game industry but it just don’t look good right now.

[THAMMER1]

I love video games. It really dose not matter what console but when a company is turning people into monsters like PS3lord. It is little scary man. It is almost like idol worship. I’m seeing a trend of 360 hate. I almost want to say PS3 idol worshipers have an excuse for their animosity due to the delays but it is a toy at the end of the day there is no excuse for this level of ignorance.

[OutLaw]

You are correct and if you notice that there are other people on this site that acts just like him as a 360 fan. But SSJ04 is king of flaming. I never saw anything like him on any site.

[PS360PCROCKS]

THANK YOU! I've said this all along, Sony is setting itself apart from the competition in all the wrong aspects. Children are game players too, it's the reason parents will buy the Wii mainly, it's cheaper, and interactive, they might buy a 360 for a older child, but most parents are against violence, and we know Nintendo games are not violent. Not everyone can throw down $600 or even $400 for that fact for a gaming console at christmas time, I bought it for myself with my g/f's help and barely afforded the 360. The ps3 has too many nonsense attachments, addons, and special features for the regular, younger, and every once and a while gamer to appreciate.

[SjaakHaas]

You are right!

I think there are more important things in life than games and consoles. There are a lot of things a PS3, a 360 nor a Wii can buy.

[OutLaw]

If you take the comments of PS3Lord and all the responses away. You probably would be left with about 60 Responses thats about the topic. This guy just drags everybody down with him, thats it.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

yea he is sad.

[COVER GIRL]

Sorry PS3Lord you're to hardcore these are just game console's. I reported you're comment. Lots of consumer's will look for the cheapest route for next gen gaming; never mind all the other stuff like Blu-ray and XBL ect...

[The BS Police]

People will either go for the XBOX 360 (which does everything the PS3 can) or the Nintendo Wii!

Or they will get both the Nintendo Wii and the XBOX 360 (which costs alltogether the same amount as the PS3)!

But for now my XBOX 360 will do it for now!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I agree with both of yall

[PS360PCROCKS]

yeah it just makes no sense for a mom and dad to buy 9 yr old Tommy a system with blu-ray, bluetooth wireless controllers and all the other bells and whistles that "outdo a 747" just to play some games. Sony has gone TOO far this time, it's just not right, it's a gaming machine, not a entertainment center.

[ps3willrule]

ya xbox 360 can't even touch ps2 sales in THE US and ps3 isn't even out yet so please stfu until u make a good point cause that whole comment made u look like an idiot.

[PS360PCROCKS]

ok? how do I make myself look like an idiot? By saying the PS3 is not even remotely marketed to anyone under the age of like 16? your the idiot for trying to rag on other people for comments that atleast follow the forum story instead of just ranting about whatever's going wrong in your mommy's house that day.

[ps3willrule]

fuk they didn't even have to make a ps3 yet if ps2 is more then doubling in us and is dominating it in japan....boy MS has alot of money but that could all go to sh!t with stockholders backin out cause of these losses don't beleive me look at the x-box HUGE LOSS for MS!!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

since you like tellin people how much they look like an idiot I'm going to make you look like one with these simple questions.
1. Does it matter if ps2 is outsellin 360?
2.What console has 100% of the next gen gaming market?
3. How many units has ps3 sold?

PS Serect ahaahahahahhahhha

[THAMMER1]

The ps2 is $110.00 right now. And that has nothing to do with the topic at hand get real. The PS2 is popular but it is still not a good buy for the educated consumer unless you really love it.

[SjaakHaas]

Would you like to show me the Stock options, please?

[Anerythristic26]

I'm really excited about my PlayStation 3 purchase in April of next year , I think it will be great because I can watch Bluray movies. I actually have one question for you guys, will it play games? Later.

[Scythesean]

yes it will

[Jay da 2KBalla]

omg I didnt even know it could do that.

[THAMMER1]

you are funny ;^)

[Anerythristic26]

LMAO

[Jay da 2KBalla]

rofl

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol

[ps3willrule]

x box baller
1) everybody cares cause that means more developer support cause then they know how many systems are out there and how much money they can get so they make exclusives
2) seems to not matter about 100% of gaming market cause they can't even compete with last gen LMFAO OWNED IDIOT
3) PS3 will sell alot more then the 360 will look at stats and use your fuking head and stop blowing bill then u can see that.
4) have fun marketing with the guy that led sega dreamcast to the crap

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I dont know why devs would continue to make exclusives for a last gen system.

Actually it does matter who has 100% of the next gen gaming market because "that means more developer support cause then they know how many systems are out there and how much money they can get so they make exclusives" lol you answered one question with another damn you a dumbass.

as for 3 well you didnt asnwer the question. I said how many ps3s have been sold. Guess what you dumbass sony fanboy none. ahahhahhaha

As for 4- Dreamcast was the better system and hype is what killed it but this time hype is working against ps3. Just look at all the negative responses at e3 from ign, gamespot, etc.

So once again I made you look like an idiot dumb ass kutaragi ball juggling retard especially with the 2nd question. lol

PS Serect aahahhahahhhhaah

[shotty]

I want to interview PS3Lord. Come on I bet you bought out the sony signature series house untensils. You have everything sony in your house don't you. Serious do you have an email ad or anything. DO you wake up angry, droped out of school at a young age to one day become sony's PR guy. I see you're doing a great job as sony's PR guy too. Peace, watch out on PS3 launch, you might get your system broken by a certain Master Cheif

[SjaakHaas]

Would be great to putt him in a cell with only a Xbox a 360 and a Wii, wouldn't it?

[SjaakHaas]

I Feel sorry for PS3Lord getting banned...
Accually i like the PS3 very much, tough i haven't touched it either. i'm sorry that we treated you so bad, ow great Lord!

Forgive us.

We are unfortuned that we cannot hear thy great words of wisdom and knownledge. ow great Lord!

Forgive us.

I will instantly sell my 360 on ebay and will give the money to the PS3 charity-group. ow great Lord.

Forgive us.

Hopefully, if the money is accepted, they can make a better PS3 with 7 controllers and 2 HDMI slots. ow great lord!

Forgive us!

Great Lord, we will wait until the day that you'll return, and we will celebrate that day by slaughtering a Xbox360 and a Wii.

OW GREAT LORD! FORGIVE US!

AMEN!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

good post

[Aflac]

HILARIOUS

[roninofako]

lmfao

[joemutt]

I wish asking you nicely to leave would work. You are the reason the webmasters went to so much trouble changing the site. And you are back to ruin it again.

The PS3 is gonna be great, we know, go tell the rest of the world, leave us alone, please.

[PS360PCROCKS]

"We’ve got the content to back that up, we’ve got Xbox Live to back that up, we’ve got price-points that are very compelling. If gamers are desperate to get the next-generation DVD player, then they’ll start considering Blu-Ray and the PS3. But Sony is the company that brought us Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD – I’m not convinced people today will go and bet the farm on buying a Blu-Ray disc.”

la la la and yet you still support it like it's your kid or something.

[OutLaw]

This site is turning out to be a joke and that includes 360 members and PS3 members. I knew once they put this site up that all havoc was going to break loose. I know I have had my disagreements with some of you. But most of the time it would be because of personal attacks. But to keep going on about nothing twenty or thirty times on one topic is the most stupidest thing I have ever saw. SSJ shouldn't be the only one who is being reported. There are other clowns here as well. I don't know if people are trying to make a name for themselves here. But try to do it as a contributor. Not a moron who keeps posting stupid sh!t over and over and over again. Get it together guys. If somebody attack you then defend yourself. But don't continue that it becomes a flame war.

[Aflac]

Dont be forgetting the real way past wars got started among fans was because wen original xbox came out, sony fans came right over to xbox sites to mock them out just for giving it a try, and were downright cruel to those who said they liked the xbox. naturally, xbox fans retaliated, and so the war goes on endlessly....

AND U PS WORSHIPPERS HAVE THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE US FOR SIMPLY DEFENDING OUR OPINIONS AND RETALIATING AGAINST YOUR OFFENSIVE STUPID REMARKS WHEN U ALL KNOW THAT UR THE ONES WHO STARTED IT--HYPOCRITES!!!!

[OutLaw]

You see how you made a point. Then you went on to insult them. All I'm trying to say is lets slow this down a little. This is a site for all of us. If we continue on the childish name calling nobody is going to take this site for real. I know if it was a individual attack then I understand the retaliation from it. But if you attack everybody expect to be jumped.

[Islandkiwi]

This site is much improved over the previous site, where people would just spam for half a page.

As for MS's commments...well, obviously it's not just a blu-ray player. But I do believe that Sony is trying to market it as a blu-ray player first, game console second. Sony has put all their chips into the blu-ray basket, and their ship will float or sink based upon the publics adoption of that product.

[SjaakHaas]

Ik zou graag even de groeten willen doen aan mijn vader en moeder, men vriendin, men vrienden, men broer en zus en de rest van de familie. Oja en aan de mensen op men werk.

Dankjewel!

[TheMART]

I am flabbergasted how this article got over 200 posts...

But hey ssj04 alias ps3lord alias some other new nickname got at least 50% of that on his own

They should give this guy credits and a free 360

[PS360PCROCKS]

Tie him down and force him to play Viva Pinata, lol

[roninofako]

please ip ban that non-sensical, english language hacking, pre-pubescent, idiotic poster(we all know who), it is obvious that nobody wishes him here, look at the amount of removed posts from this guy in this forum alone. You guys do a great job with this site, and this is my only complaint. I'll bet most will agree....

[THE TRUTH]

I personally could careless what MS thinks, MS should be more inclinded to care about what "we" think as their present/future customers. I for 1 am not impressed with the 360 whatsoever. I want games dammit and it is unforgiveable that I should have to wait 1 full year for MS to give me a killer game. GRAW Oblivion and whatever else you can name that is out right now is nothing worthy of my 400$ and 60$ a month(outragous that they charge us this much for sub par games). So far I have seen either average games or sub-par ones. Games like DW5 and Top Spin are an absolute insult to me. Lifeless games like Madden and NBA live are just not what I expect in this Next-Gen. The dullness and repeative play of GRAW offends me. I know every MS 360 fan can tell me games that are awsome that are "coming" but where were those damn games when I bought the damn thing?

Seriously answer me that. (and I dont want to hear that excuse of "what console ever launches with a killer game") Historically speaking Sega Nintendo and Sony have provided gamers with at least one game that shows us the potential of the console. I ask AGAIN MS where is "that" game? I have seen at least 5 games for PS3 (which isnt even out yet) that not only show me the potential but are games I definetly WILL own. (FF XIII, MGS 4, Eight Days, Warhawk, DMC4, Assasin's Creed, GT, Unreal Torn. 2007, Heavenly Sword). Now remember when 360 dropped, compare that to the job both sony and nintendo are doing, I see a Major difference. The hype is over, and the fact that 360 cant outsell the PS2 is evidence enough for me.

MS had a year without competition, which means a year of exclusives people!!!!! I dont care if the PS3 is not as powerful as "they" say it is, I only care about the games and PS3 has a killer games coming In every section sports, action, role-playing, FPS, and misc. It turns out I bought the 360 just to tide me over til the PS3 arrives, becuase when it does I will give my 360 away to the first relevant relative who has a birthday. My 2 cents on Next-Gen thus far................

If you feel the need to argue any of my opinions please be civil

[Grown Folks Talk]

too bad none of those titles will probably launch with the ps3, so you've defeated your own post, because they won't launch with anything "killer". and the what system has launched with a killer game is very valid. what stellar title was there at the ps2 launch? ps1? genesis? xbox? it's a once in a blue moon deal. people seem to continue to try and justify their distaste for the 360 by skewing history and acting like the 360 is the only console ever that had or has problems. if you don't like it, you don't like it, period. think of it this way. if 50 movies come out this summer, and you don't like any of them, does that mean they all suck? somebody will enjoy them. it's the same with games. you like one, i don't, and vice versa. at least you admit it's the games you don't care for, which is the point. but as far as having to wait for killer titles on 360, i'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you'll do the same on ps3. it won't launch with its best effort.

[TheMART]

You don't own a 360 for sure, so don't say you do man.

Games that are next gen are in my eyes games that couldn't be done on the last gen consoles.

PGR3
GRAW (if you say repeative play, it's your opinion but this game is loved by many. Maybe it's just as in real life army and not in fairytale land)

Oblivion, you've never played it for sure

Moto GP '06

Fight Night Round 3

Kameo

Condemned

And more. I am curious why you disguise yourself as a 360 owner when you are just a PS fan. Tell me, give me any other launch, PS1, PS2, XBOX 1, Dreamcast, name one, that had a launch which such a broad scale of games that were this good.

You simply can't.

And then over to the crap you are giving for PS3 launch, which should be already here from Spring (that would have been fun, a console without games it would have been then!)

FF XIII doesn't look really awesome to me.
MGS4, 4 seconds of gameplay, movie 30 seconds, 30 seconds of gameplay, movie of 3 minutes. If you like that, you're either Japanese (which also like games with young childeren they sexually can abuse strange people) or you are just in there for the graphics.

Warhawk... HAHAHA NOW LET ME LAUGH that game is freaking dull as h*ll man.

Assassin's Creed will be on PC and 360 also. It's Ubisoft you know, main supplier on 360 big friends with MS. Maybe, just maybe a timed exclusive of a few months for Sony on this one.

Quake Wars will blow Unreal 2007 out of the water and will be on 360.

So, you don't own a 360. You're just as a big lying biaattchhh as Ken from Fony is

[Brooklynite]

i agree. 360 are only droping sub par games.60 dollars for my xbox live. dats crazy.and i still get lag
(side note):any body remembered what MS said.
They said that the premium package would cone with a universal remote.instead i recieved a tiny remote that only works for my 360. undelivered promise. people(hatas) that talk about ps3 being a blu ray player only are just in denial that the ps3 will be a dam* good system.

[THE TRUTH]

this is gonna be fun........

and the what system has launched with a killer game is very valid. What stellar title was there at the ps2 launch? ps1? genesis? xbox? it's a once in a blue moon deal. people seem to continue to try and justify their distaste for the 360 by skewing history and acting like the 360 is the only console ever that had or has problems.

I will do you one better and show you alot of console launches.

NES: Super Mario Bros., Duckhunt

Sega Genesis: Altered Beast, Revenge of Shinobi, Sonic

SNES: (Super Mario bros. PACKED IN!!, if you dont remeber this you ain't no gamer) F-Zero, Super Castelvaina, Contra III: Alien Wars

Saturn: Virtua Fighter (PACK-IN) Panzer Dragoon, Daytona USA

Dreamcast: Sonic Adventure, NFL 2K, House Of The Dead, Powerstone, Ready 2 Rumble, Soul Caliber, Crazy Taxi

N64: Super Mario 64

PSone: Ridge Racer, Warhawk, Battle Areana Toshinden,

PS2 SSX, Tekken Tag, Timesplitters, Dynasty Warriors2, Ridge Racer, DOA2 Harecore (ps2 Launched with 29 titles !!!!!!)

Xbox: Halo

Dont tell me that consoles haven't brought the "wood" from day one because history tells you otherwise. We need to expect a lot more from all three of these companies especially since it has been done before.

but as far as having to wait for killer titles on 360, i'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you'll do the same on ps3. it won't launch with its best effort.

I guess we will have to wait and see, but I can tell you this much it will be a whole lot better than the sub-par effort MS provided us.
Games like Moto GP '06 ,Kameo, Condemned, PDZ with COD2 being the only above average title but no where near "killer"

[Grown Folks Talk]

see how he did that ssj? he stuck to his guns and provided evidence to support his case. not just random sh*t talking. i don't see a whole lot in your list that i classify as killer. i'll give you mario on nes. as far as snes, i never owned one. i went from nes to genesis. are you claiming that those titles are the best the system offered? that the greatest titles on each system were slight improvements compared to those titles? it's all a matter of opinion anyway. i like splinter cell better than metal gear, but that's me. in the end it's about the games each individuals like the most. i like the fact that we could handle this with maturity even though we disagree on some points. i'm sure, however, that someone will jump in from left field and start talking crap about one or both of us.

[THE TRUTH]

You don't own a 360 for sure, so don't say you do man.

Why would anyone lie about this? Just because I'm not happy with it doesn't mean I dont own it. I have my own opinions in which I am intitled to and if I feel that M$ shortchanged me, don't get mad if I choose to make my feelings known. The 360 just didn't provied me with any trully Next-Gen software and I will not forgive them for making me wait a whole year while they came out with sub-par after sub-par title while charging me 60$ a pop. That is why I WILL buy a PS3 and believe me I have done my reseach and can truly say I am optimistic about my future 600$ purchase. (I should have done my research on the 360 but I fell victim to the "HYPE" surrounding it)

Games that are next gen are in my eyes games that couldn't be done on the last gen consoles.

So your telling me that the PS3 titles you name can be done on a PS2 or Xbox? for example your statements....... FF XIII doesn't look really awesome to me.
MGS4, 4 seconds of gameplay, movie 30 seconds, 30 seconds of gameplay, movie of 3 minutes. If you like that, you're either Japanese (which also like games with young childeren they sexually can abuse strange people) or you are just in there for the graphics.

Futhermore.......Warhawk... HAHAHA NOW LET ME LAUGH that game is freaking dull as h*ll man.

Also..........Assassin's Creed will be on PC and 360 also. It's Ubisoft you know, main supplier on 360 big friends with MS. Maybe, just maybe a timed exclusive of a few months for Sony on this one.

Quake Wars will blow Unreal 2007 out of the water and will be on 360.

What is Next-Gen to you? Seriously Think about what you wrote.......

PGR3
GRAW (if you say repeative play, it's your opinion but this game is loved by many. Maybe it's just as in real life army and not in fairytale land)

GRAW is not as real as you think... I have been to war man I served in the U.S. Army from Nov. 2000 to Nov. 2004 (in Hanau, Germany part of 127 ASB for 3 years and also 1-1 Cav went to Iraq in March 2002 to Feb 2003)and war is nothing like GRAW so don't sit at your computer and donwplay or even upplay something as serious as war!!! I know there are more vet's and current soldiers on this board who will agree with that. GRAW = REAL that is just absoulte crazy talk!!!

Oblivion, you've never played it for sure
No I have never played it, just not my type of RPG

Moto GP '06

Fight Night Round 3

Kameo

Condemned
FNR3 is the only game I really like on 360, honestly me and my brother play it for hours on end, but the game is flawed and unrealistic when you play online, all it is Stun-punch and KO punch and that is just a waste to me.

So, you don't own a 360. You're just as a big lying biaattchhh as Ken from Fony is

I don't even know how to respond to this , well at least not without starting a flame war. I'm just here to listen and be heard. I agrue but I like to do it without any personal attacks of any kind.

[THE TRUTH]

I comend you also for not flaming me, I know we disagree but that is ok. You make valid points also and you handle everything with class, I do look forward to reading your post and converstating with you in the future.

I think that Sega has definetly had some awsome launches in the past, The saturn launch was unreal and truly should be the standard for these companies in the future. I think if we start to expect/demand more from these companies and let our opinions known when they fail it can only lead to more positive changes in the future.

[Grown Folks Talk]

i agree. i don't want the ps3 to fail. if ms has something to compete with, it will push them. it's the same with all walks of life. if the steelers draft a stud qb then ben knows, "hey, i gotta step up, or he might take my job.". i don't personally care for sony's exclusives. i also feel they are doing a lot of things that aren't needed, and possibly will have no real benefit only added cost. if they start to show titles i would be interested in, then i'll consider it. at this point, there is no reason for me to spend $641 after tax for a system when any of the games i would get, i can get for my 360. apparently, that's not a valid reason to some people. i think the ps3 will be a good system, it just doesn't have titles that interest ME at this time. i look forward to battling you in the future since you can do it without the childish bs.

[TheMART]

sumnaztee I probably got off because it sounded like a fanboy saying every game is bad and so on. Excuses from me to you if I did offend you.

Maybe it's just the genres that one likes and the other not. And that killer game. Well. Maybe we are just spoiled. If I really look at games like Kameo, it's next gen in many ways and to me it's a killer. I like the story and details better then a stupid plummer that jumps on animals. Don't forget me wrong, that game has it's own feeling and yes it's smart to put it on the market.

But still. When I race PGR3, it was the first racing game where I was into the racing vehicle. I really feel in game, looking around from the windows of my car. With this speed, these surroundings, those sounds, all combined and then on top Live. Nothing comes close ever.
To me a killer app

GRAW, for you maybe dull, to me a great game. Man when I peak around the corner and the bullets are flying around my head it's freaking adrenaline pumping. Allright, I haven't been in real war and I read you did. I looked at it from my subjective perspective in reality and then it came close to it compared to any other war and shooter game I played (allright, ofcourse with all the technical year 2010 stuff that's not possible yet but allright).
To me a killer app

FNR3, I never play it online, only with my friends. Never enjoyed so much to fight to a direct opponent. No health bars, just seeing the face of the other been torn apart. I have FNR3 on the old xbox also and if you can't tell the difference from past gen to this (next) gen I really can't understand. It's one of the most freaking killer app's games I've played since a long time.

COD2, yes it looks a lot like a nice PC version. But still. When I want to play it on PC (on high settings), I had to upgrade my PC with a new expensive videocard. So for me and many others, it is a great game. And it expands with good downloads on marketplace.

Oblivion, while not completely my genre, it really is good. Yes it's also on PC. Does it matter? No. Probably PC/360 combi's we're going to see a lot. Because MS will want to support both and make it a joined force on Live against Sony and others. Is it a killer app?
Yes it has never been seen like this on any other console.

And when you named Warhawk I was just as sure you would be the Fony Freaking Fanboy. I really can't see that it would be a killer app. If you ask me it looks like an overhyped PS2 game... Let's say the games/killers you named for PS3 are all dull to me.

So yep it will be taste. Next gen to me are games that couldn't be done on any other console. Next gen is also graphics. Next gen is for a really large part XBOX Live. When I switch the old xbox on, I know what I miss again. Just played FNR3 with a friend again and a lot of less emotion, yelling and fun.

But well could discuss on and on. Most important: buyers around Christmas will compare games at that point in time. 360 will have 160 games by that time, PS3/Wii both around 10 maybe? Indeed for Gears of War you've to wait and some other great games.

Well let's say one also have to wait from the beginning of 2006 till the end of 2006 before even getting their PS3 console maybe. I feel that's even worse then to have a 360 and games that are just not completely your genre :)

Hope you accept my appologies

[Ancient Sandman]

Anyone who wants to berate the Xbox 360, say it has lousy games and that they are getting rid of it when the PS3 shows needs to put up or shut up. If you have an Xbox 360 give your gamer tag so we can all see that you have it and the games you have played. If you have not played these games stop acting like you have!
Furthermore the PS3 has so many bad reports coming out about it right now; Sony is treading water just to keep afloat. We will see if they will have it out by years end and what games they will have. My suspicion is they are feeding you Sony fans spoonful after spoonful of crap and you’re eating it up like it’s your momma’s homemade chocolate pudding.

[THE TRUTH]

gamertag sumtynnaztee look it up I have played GRAW online and offline FNR3 on line and offline and NBA LIVE offline. also a few rented games like Flatout PDZ Madden ect ect.

[nitty]

SONY PS3 WILL BE DELAYED HOILDAY 06 AND MIGHT SCRAPPED, THE COMPANY CANT RECOVER FROM THE LOSES IF THE PS3 OUT SALES THE 360 OR WII
DAWM KNOW THE REST OF U SONY FAN ARE PISS LIKE MY FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

[THE TRUTH]

without posting a source your statments mean nothing. please support your claims

[Ancient Sandman]

My bad, sumtynnaztee. You are for real, I checked out your tag. I still don't feel the way you do. I have played console games since the days of the Atari and Intellivision. I have owned almost every console outside the 3DO, Jaguar and a few out of the main stream consoles. In my opinion there has never been any system as enjoyable for me to play as the Xbox 360.
Sony has never lived up to there hype or my expectations. Maybe this time around will be different. I highly doubt it.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

It's all about taste, PS fans tend to be Hardcore play till you beat it; then go to the next game and beat it type of gamer. 360 fans are either in and out type of gamers or social multi player gamers; alot Different from Sony's Hardcore lets talk magic trade FF cards play games to beat and not to enjoy type's. In my opinion thats the difference, so Sony's appealing to a sh!t load of kids, thats whats hurting MS, MS can no longer be just an adult console.

[Moostache]

Sumnatzee has posted his feelings about the games on the 360 and how they do not meet his gaming needs. So be it - that is his opinion and no amount of childish flaming in the world will or should change it.

I do not agree with his assessment is all.

The list of games I have thoroughly enjoyed on the 360 so far includes:

FN RD3
COD2
GRAW
Tomb Raider : Legend
Far Cry Instincts : Predator
Battlefield 2 : Modern Combat (Flat out LOVE it...better than my PC in a big way - to me, not sayign anyon else needs to agree - but I really have fun with this on XBL)
Quake 4 (didn't finish it off, but enjoyed the rental enough to buy it used some time)
Rockstar Presents : Table Tennis
Top Spin2 (demo - haven't bought full game yet)

Games that I admired for graphics and / or layout and execution but do not play because I don't care much for the genre:
PGR3
Moto GP 2006
Oblivion (I abhor RPGs personally so this game had no chance from the start, but graphically and depth-wise it is brilliant for the console scene)

Basically, I don't really care if other people don't like it, but to claim it sucks based on personal opinion or tastes is short sightedby anyone. The only legitimate comparisons at the moment are between consoles on the market - and the games on 360 quite simply trash the ones on PS2 and XB1 graphically. The fact that publishers like EA have made the gamescrippled ports is not the fault of the 360 or Microsoft for that matter.

[indabayou]

Nicely said and well thought out....Keep up the intelligent talk please.......

[Retard]

Off topic like the past 50 comments...

Like I said though... If Microsoft is bashing the idea of "Just a Next Gen DVD player" then are they "Just a standard Next Gen?"

Either way I have Xbox360 and will have PS3 (screw Wii...)

Let the executives make themselves out as spreaders of discontent (Ken being #1 I'd think)

[Majunior]

Wii b the second best system comin out! Oh wait some of u guys are excited about that one game on the ps3...what was that called ummmmmm mgs4....thats it! only game sony fans talk about or maybe ff13! hmmmm ff13 may come to the 360 anyway.....wii is original and quite refreshing to the gamin world..somethin new...ps3 no thx...(plz if u know of any other ps3 games worth mentioning tell me!)

[CHEETO]

NINTENDO IN MY OPINION IS GONNA HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY, CUZ MANY ARE CONSIDERING GETING TWO CONSOLES (NINTENDO AND X360 OR PS3). THE WAY I LOOK AT ITS LIKE IF THE XBOX 360 IS A BIG MAC FROM MACDONALD'S AND PS3 IS A WHOPPER FROM BURGER KING AND NINTENDO IS THE FRENCH FRIES IT GOES WITH EITHER MEAL. THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU HAVE A BETTER TASTE FOR THE BIG MAC OR THE WHOPPER?? EITHER WAY FRENCH FRIES COMES WITH EITHER VALUE MEAL. LOL (AND BY THE WAY I DON'T EAT FAST FOOD LOL). MAY THE BEST MEAL WIN

[dantesparda]

Wow! "jay da xbox baller" you're obviously just a little xbox fanboy, who doesnt like it when it anybody talks about your beloved xbox, i own a 360, and i was just trying to educate you on something, so that you dont walk around being so ignorant. However it was stupid of me to assume that a fanboy like you would be able to understand that. You would not know that the compressed version of the texture is blurrier than the uncompressed one, unless you saw it (the uncompressed version, which you will never see). But if you dont think thats true, then whatever, im not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you then. Two, if you believe that only PS3 developers are saying that (about the storage space), then you are sadly mistaken. It's not an opinion, its a fact! See alot of people on this forum dont seem to understand that while it may be true that 4 gigs was enough for the vast majority of the last generation games. The same cannot be said for this generation because of the resolutions involved (both in screen and texture), and complexity in geometry/vertices and AI and physics. in order to make the graphics look better they need to use bigger textures (higher res) which in turn take up more memory. Im not saying we need Blu-ray, but 8.5 gigs will not be enough soon enough, (within the next couple of years). I have Oblivion for the PC and the "Procedural Synthesis" you speak of just draws randomized objects like trees, so that you dont have to store every object in memory, but guess what? that means that while all the "trees" in this example will look different due to their randomization, they will all still share the same textures, so they will all have the same bark and the same leaves, if you wanna change that, then you gotta put in more textures, and in higher res, which means more memory. So i dont care how you cut it, storage is becoming an issue. like it or not!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

1. You said that I dont know about compression right. I beg to differ:

Over the course of its life, the size of the average Xbox title increased by 77%. If the Xbox 360 size increases at the same rate we can expect the average Xbox 360 title in 4 or 5 years to be around 7.40 gigs, and to occupy about 87% of the disc's capacity.

Additionally, you'd find that size is not an indicator of quality, either in graphical quality or storyline. No one would accuse Doom 3 of being worse looking than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but it's almost 3 gigabytes smaller (Terminator 3: 5.67 gigs; Doom 3: 2.957 gigs). Half-life 2, for example, is only 2 gigabytes.
Large games may simply be the result of poorly optimized programming, not an indication that they couldn't be smaller if they had to be, and still deliver the same experience.

• XNA:
XNA is a development tool that Microsoft introduced in 2004. XNA helps developers build games more quickly and more efficiently. XNA represents a refinement of everything that has been learned developing for the Xbox, which has an architecture that is very similar to the Xbox 360. As a new development tool, it represents a change in the way that game developers might program, and how it impacts on filesize is an unknown factor.
• Procedural Synthesis:
Procedural synthesis is has a great deal of potential to effect the Xbox 360's filesizes. In short, procedural synthesis is a way of producing graphics that Microsoft has pushed heavily with the introduction of the Xbox 360, including specific hardware functions designed to do handle procedural synthesis. It uses algorithms to produce high quality graphics out of extremely small files. For the best example of what procedural synthesis can do, check out .kkrieger, which means Warrior in German. This first person shooter is built almost entirely from procedural graphics, and as a consequence occupies about 96 Kilobytes of space. Yes, the game responsible for this screenshot here, here, and here could fit almost 14 copies on an old-fashioned 1.4 megabyte floppy disk.
You can download a beta version of this game from the developer's website here, but be warned that it's fairly buggy, and meant more as a technology demonstration than anything else.
Procedural synthesis is the reason that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has such brilliant forests. Oblivion makes use of a technology called SpeedTree, a middleware product for procedurally generating forests and foliage.
So actually you are the stupid one because you have no clue what you are talking about and for making you look like an ass: Mission accomplished. ha
2. I said sony devs and jap devs so learn to read and if there are more then them then please hook a brotha up with a link. You know, it helps when you actually know what you are talking about when you post that way I dont have to make you look like a retard. And I know your next post will be something either fanboyish or stupid or both because you have just been shutdown and you have nothing else to say so how about you dont even post anything else due to fear of making yourself look even more dumb. Oh and by the way it seems you are the one who was educated on something

PS SERECT

[dantesparda]

Boy you're a bright one, you sit there and run back to some crap that was said by somebody else said, instead of explaining it in your own words. That right there shows me that you dont know what you're talking about. But rather just rehashing what somebody else said. And for Procedural Synthesis, all it does is write the tree once and will run it many times onscreen. It's that simple! Therefore you save the space in RAM. But you dont seem to know that. Instaed what you're doing is finding text on it and copying and pasting it on to here. I'm "stupid"? when you're the one who doesnt understand? Typical of people as smart as you. And P.S. you are a famboy and it shows bigtime. How can I be a Sony fanboy, when a.) I own a 360, and b.) Im not spending no $600 on no game system, heck i think that i was bad enough spending $400 for the 360 (and I waited out all night for it. So know what you're talking about before you make such stupid remarks. Dont get mad because I point out the truth. You are a fanboy, plain, pure and simple,like it or change it.

[TheMART]

sumnaztee I probably got off because it sounded like a fanboy saying every game is bad and so on. Excuses from me to you if I did offend you.

Maybe it's just the genres that one likes and the other not. And that killer game. Well. Maybe we are just spoiled. If I really look at games like Kameo, it's next gen in many ways and to me it's a killer. I like the story and details better then a stupid plummer that jumps on animals. Don't forget me wrong, that game has it's own feeling and yes it's smart to put it on the market.

But still. When I race PGR3, it was the first racing game where I was into the racing vehicle. I really feel in game, looking around from the windows of my car. With this speed, these surroundings, those sounds, all combined and then on top Live. Nothing comes close ever.
To me a killer app

GRAW, for you maybe dull, to me a great game. Man when I peak around the corner and the bullets are flying around my head it's freaking adrenaline pumping. Allright, I haven't been in real war and I read you did. I looked at it from my subjective perspective in reality and then it came close to it compared to any other war and shooter game I played (allright, ofcourse with all the technical year 2010 stuff that's not possible yet but allright).
To me a killer app

FNR3, I never play it online, only with my friends. Never enjoyed so much to fight to a direct opponent. No health bars, just seeing the face of the other been torn apart. I have FNR3 on the old xbox also and if you can't tell the difference from past gen to this (next) gen I really can't understand. It's one of the most freaking killer app's games I've played since a long time.

COD2, yes it looks a lot like a nice PC version. But still. When I want to play it on PC (on high settings), I had to upgrade my PC with a new expensive videocard. So for me and many others, it is a great game. And it expands with good downloads on marketplace.

Oblivion, while not completely my genre, it really is good. Yes it's also on PC. Does it matter? No. Probably PC/360 combi's we're going to see a lot. Because MS will want to support both and make it a joined force on Live against Sony and others. Is it a killer app?
Yes it has never been seen like this on any other console.

And when you named Warhawk I was just as sure you would be the Fony Freaking Fanboy. I really can't see that it would be a killer app. If you ask me it looks like an overhyped PS2 game... Let's say the games/killers you named for PS3 are all dull to me.

So yep it will be taste. Next gen to me are games that couldn't be done on any other console. Next gen is also graphics. Next gen is for a really large part XBOX Live. When I switch the old xbox on, I know what I miss again. Just played FNR3 with a friend again and a lot of less emotion, yelling and fun.

But well could discuss on and on. Most important: buyers around Christmas will compare games at that point in time. 360 will have 160 games by that time, PS3/Wii both around 10 maybe? Indeed for Gears of War you've to wait and some other great games.

Well let's say one also have to wait from the beginning of 2006 till the end of 2006 before even getting their PS3 console maybe. I feel that's even worse then to have a 360 and games that are just not completely your genre :)

Hope you accept my appologies!

[THE TRUTH]

Don't worry about it man, With the way you describe the games you like it's understandable why you like the 360. Even if the 360 hasn't lived up to my expectations, I'm glad it has for you. Just not my types of games, and thats ok because we as gamers need these other choices. I do give credit for M$ giving gamers what they want, I was just making a point that I didnt get what I wanted and I thank you for being able to understand and espect my opinions without bringing this to a childish flamewar. GAME ON GAMERS!!!!!

[The BS Police]

If anything I see still see PS3 staying in first place when it comes to game sytsems... However there is no doubt they will lose alot of there market share in Japan to Nintendo.

The PS3 will lose alot of there Market Share in North America to Microsoft and Nintendo combined. But no doubt the PS3 will still do very well in Europe.

It's pretty much a Win, Win situation for all 3 companies!

[PS360PCROCKS]

Bravo for good, smart, educated posts, anybody seen PS3LORD? LOL

[The Real Deal]

The Hardware
While the original Xbox functioned fairly well, it wasn't exactly pleasing to the eye. Microsoft went to two design companies to make sure the Xbox 360 was visually impressive for gamers across the world. The end result is a console that can stand vertically or horizontally, and looks more like a high-end electronics device than a gaming console. In most people's eyes, that's a good thing.
The front of the console features two memory card slots and has 3 USB ports. You can buy an adapter if you need more usb ports if needed easlily turning 3 usb ports into 7 usb ports. The premium bundle comes with a detachable upgradable hard drive that sits on the top of the console when it's positioned vertically, and on the left side of the console in its horizontal position. Compared to the original Xbox, the 360 is actually about the same size. In addition, it's heavier than it looks. Similar to how the Dreamcast was much heavier than it looked.
You can power the console on and off via the wired or wireless controllers for easy access. When the console is running, it is easily one of the most quiet consoles we've had the pleasure of using. With no other sound in the room, we had to strain to hear the soft hum of the Xbox 360.
The Dashboard
The original Xbox dashboard was rarely used. Unless you were adding friends to your Xbox Live account, or changing your audio and video settings there wasn't much of a reason to go there. It didn't help that the only way to really access the dash was by powering on the console without a game. This will not be the case with the Xbox 360, as the dashboard is something you'll probably be using quite a bit.
First and foremost, you can access the dashboard at any time. There are two different versions of the dash. You've got the dash tab (as we've come to refer to it as), which is accessed by pressing the Guide button on the Xbox 360 controller. This will automatically pause your game and pull up a tab covering about a third of the screen. From here you can access your friend's list, send and receive messages and view the players who you've recently played over Xbox Live. You can also start up a private chat session with anyone on your friend's list, change your personal settings, access the custom soundtrack feature included in every 360 game, or exit out of the game and head to the full dashboard.
Once you've entered the full dashboard you'll be met with four tabs: Xbox Live, Games, Media and System. The Xbox Live tab is just like it was on the original Xbox, only much better looking and with the ability to access the XBL Marketplace. The Marketplace allows you to download free game demos and trailers or purchase gamer card avatars, dashboard themes and Xbox Live Arcade titles.
The Games tab is your one stop shop for everything having to do with Xbox 360 games. You can view your achievements, recently played games, access Xbox Live Arcade, and check out demos and trailers. The Media tab provides access to music, pictures, video and your Media Center PC. Finally, the System tab grants access to your basic system functions. This includes changing any system settings, network settings, parental controls, and memory management.
Overall
The Xbox 360 is all that and a bag of chips. With every game supporting 720p (1280x720) or 1080i (1080 x 1920)It's very difficult to find a flaw in Microsoft's grand plan for the next generation of gaming. From Xbox Live Arcade to remote power on to integrated custom soundtrack features, from the vision camera, and HD-Dvd drive add on. It really does seem as though Microsoft has all the pieces in place for a successful run with the Xbox 360. Of course, the console is nothing without great games, but looking at the E3 lineup of all the exclusive games scheduled to hit in 2006 and beyond, the Next Gen machine isn't doing too shabby in that regard either. With Live Anywhere there will be over 100 million gamers connected online. Then with Microsofts Revelutionary XNA toolset coming out later this year, the games will look drastically better than anything we have seen thusfar. Sony, the ball is now in your court. And from the delays and lackluster E3 2006 lineup...You are definately fumbling at this point with only a few months to go until your launch.