Journalist goes over his reasons why the Wii U won the console war in his house.
The Wii U didn't win the console war, it's selling much less than the GC and has the least amount of games albeit some amazing exclusives. As a console though even in the eyes of Nintendo it's a massive failure especially coming off the success of the Wii. It will sell 10% of what the Wii sold. None of this should stop anyone from enjoying it though, it's a great system. But saying it won this generation, is absurd.
You know the idea of "selling" a console is to make money. Why not use that standard instead of # of consoles sold? GameCube made more money than the Ps3 or 360, so by that logic GameCube won. It doesn't make sense to sell more of a product if you're going to bury yourself in a mountain if debt while doing it. Also, there's plenty of great Wii games, so that destroys the "less games" argument. It wins in my eyes because it's more fun, and that's the reason why you play games isn't it?
Dude stop. The GameCube made no money for its first 3 years. When it finally did turn a profit, no one was buying it at that point. Nintendo's profits came from its handhelds which is why th y made more money in gen 6 than Sony made in gen 7. Stop spreading lies.
Completely agree. Yes, if I were a suit or thinking ONLY with my head then the Wii U may not be a 'win', but I'm a gamer, I play with my head AND heart - and for the the Wii U has been the star (thus far), easy.
@InTheLab http://gimmegimmegames.com/... I do not see where you see the gamecube losing money, this is not the only website that have same info, they just use a different chart
It doesn't say that. It says it won the console war IN HIS HOUSE. This article is explaining why it won the author over, not anyone else.
Sales does not always mean win console war. Games are what truly matter.
At no point in this article did anybody claim that the Wii U won this generation. The article states very clearly that the Wii U won the console war in this individual persons household. So it is your comment that is actually ridiculous.
In fairness, the Wii U won the console war "in his home". Small battlefield, that :) The Wii was an anomaly (by any measure) and I'm pretty certain Nintendo themselves knew they wouldn't easily get to those sales levels again. That being said, it isn't selling as well as the PS4 or Xbox1. That isn't for lack of high quality games, and it seems reasonable to chock that up to Nintendo's marketing being way off the mark.
The Wii U and GC proved that just having highly rated exclusive software does not sell a console. People like having a wide variety of options and the exclusives just help them pick one over the other. 3rd party support is mandatory and brings to light just how much power publishers have over gaming. The more definitive market leader you are gives you perks, but ultimately they are in control.
Again, it comes back to marketing. It isn't so much the 3rd party product, as it is the marketing they bring to the table. Nintendo has had a fail on the marketing end of things, and lack of concurrent 3rd party marketing hasn't helped. That being said, this generation I think (at this point - things change) the Wii U and a PC are the best choices. Far more 3rd party product on the PC and great couch/co-op play interactive and exclusive software on the Wii U.
You seem to hung up on marketing. Which I agree was bad. But it was many problems that caused this. The name, the controller, the price, the specs, their attitude towards indies, their 3rd party relations, OS choices, timing, the reveal, online elements and much more caused these problems not just marketing. Nintendo just does crazy things that only make sense to them, some work some don't. The Wii U didn't. They'll be back with some other crazy idea in the future I'm sure. It's part of the reason I love Nintendo, they just be Nintendo.
"3rd party support is mandatory" What, you mean multiplats? Hah! Right. Because the system totally isn't making a profit now despite lacking third party support/not beating the other two in overall install base numbers./s Let's cut the crap and face facts; AAA third party multiplats like CoD and Assassin's Creed, etc etc etc, are only important to the survival of Sony and Microsoft. There are too many examples of AAA multiplats being done wrong on Nintendo consoles to justify the opinion that they're still necessary for Nintendo to survive, let alone succeed. Not only are they being delivered to the system with a lot of content and care in development missing, they're also mostly old ports that have already formed their install bases elsewhere. Putting CoD on Nintendo's system, for example, and then whining that it's not getting sales to match other versions, is the same as being surprised that no one jumped to the Wii U to get the game when they've done nothing to encourage anyone to do so over other versions. Why would they, when the game is traditionally made famous on everything BUT Nintendo's consoles? No hype in advertisement, no special deals or unique version-specific content, lots of patches missing, I could seriously go on all day. CoD is just one example of many that show third parties are fighting a losing battle by trying to sell multiplats on Wii U when they've basically done NOTHING to build an install base for their games on the system. If third parties want sales, they need to focus on building an install base that wants their games. The best way to do that, is by offering games that don't already have their install bases set in stone on other systems. And the only way to do that is to offer exciting exclusives that make names for themselves on Nintendo's system first and foremost. Once they've done that, and regained some trust, then maybe future multiplats on Nintendo's next system will sell better, because there won't be as much distrust anymore. People will see the words "from the makers of [insert Wii U exclusive here]!" in advertisements and that'll get people to think "hey, I like the work they did last time! Maybe this time I'll give their newest game a go on Wii U." But they need to start NOW, not later.
@wonderfulmonkeyman I think the fact that Ps4 and XB1 have already outsold the Wii U is enough to prove that Third Party support is vital to a consoles success. It irritates me when fanboys claim that because Nintendo has good first party studios, they dont need any other games. Do you not like games? When the average consumer is shopping for a console, do you think theyre going to opt for the console that only Mario and Zelda (hyperbole) or will they get a console thats supported and has COD, GTA, etc? I understand multiplats have been mediocre, but thats as much Nintendos fault as it is the 3rd party. If multiplats dont sell on Wii U, and Nintendo doesnt actively push devs to develop for the platform, why would expend effort on what will soon be a flop? Next generation, along with 1st party, Nintendo should make damn sure that they have a good relationship with publishers so that theyre console is more appealing to the average consumer
@Bigger First off, no, it does not. It proves that they're necessary to Sony and Microsoft, and that gamers from all three consoles are smart enough to realize that third parties have screwed up royally with the way they've presented their multiplats on the Wii U. Until they're actually done up to par to all other versions on a Nintendo system, they might as well not even be considered proper support. Second, of course we want more games. But we don't want SHOVELWARE-GRADE PORTS. We want GOOD EFFORTS that show third parties were actually doing what NEEDS TO BE DONE to make their games appealing to a whole new fanbase that they've never actually tried to cater to before. They haven't done that. They won't see sales until they do. End of. Third, it irritates me when fanboys try to shove the majority of the blame for bad multiplats onto Nintendo, when Nintendo has had almost no say in how these games are represented when the plans to bring them to the system are drawn up. I can GUARANTEE you that it was not Nintendo's idea to, for example, bring CoD to the system with no advertisement for the Wii U version, one DLC map, and no support for the rest of the content that every single other version of the game got. You cannot put blame on Nintendo, OR it's fans, for not buying multiplats that are NOT DONE RIGHT. They don't sell well on Wii U because third parties did NOTHING to convince Wii U gamers that they were worth purchasing over versions on other consoles. I guarantee you that if you set up CoD Advanced Warfare onto Wii U and put in a bunch of new maps specifically designed to cater to the Wii U fanbase, and advertised the shit out of it, you'd see the Wii U version get better sales. Same goes for most other multiplats.
http://gimmegimmegames.com/... gamecube shows it can bring a lot of money
The way they handled the Wii U, i really don't think they saw this coming. Their initial sales predictions were also way more on pace with the Wii than the GC.
Exactly. Their internal goals failed miserably, which is really all that matters to them.
No, that old "needs better marketing" excuse is flat wrong. What the Wii U NEEDED was better, more competitive hardware, without the gamepad gimmick. Nintendo gambled that yet another gimmick would reel people in, just like they did with the Wii before it. But people learned their lesson after being burned by the Wii, gimmicks alone are simply not enough to sell a product, anymore. Sadly, there is nothing that Nintendo can do to salvage the Wii U at this point. But they only have themselves to blame for this sad state of affairs.
The backwards compatability comes at a price of having the least powerful console. This is because the architecture the wii used hasn't kept up. By contrast xb1 and ps4 went for the best power/price combo they could get at the time, but they had to sacrifice backwards compatibility in the process.
The Wii U could have maintained backwards compatibility as long as the architecture remained similar to the Wii and GC. Nintendo went with a tri-core processor clocked at only 1.24GHz. This was surprising considering most computers in recent years have been Quad Cores with 2.0GHz+ processors.
The BC has nothing to do with the power. It costs them nothing to manufacture the wii's guts, they are dirt cheap in this day and age. The gamepad's manufacture price and the streaming tech needed to power it is what took a toll on the power. As long as they are using PowerPC, they'd be stupid not to include BC with the Wii.
Nintendo is my favorite of the 3 companies and even i know this isn't right.ps4 and xone are still in the infant stages game wise,wait till they blossom.
I don't consider Wii U in competition with the PS4 or Xbox One. It caters to a totally different demographic.
Lol first of all its not because I'm not a fan of Nintendo exclusives. Now, there is no winner they each cater to their fanbase and that's the best part. Everyone wins. Nintendo fans win Xbox fans win and PS fans win
The media really loves the Wii U these days loooool Edit: Btw still sticking to the highest selling console being the winner of the console war.
You must think the best restaurant is McDonalds in that case :)
I'm not saying the best console is the one that sells the most, but I look at the console war as the competition between console manufacturers to capture the most marketshare.
I look at a console war as in who has the best games for the customer. Who makes the most money is between the companies but for the consumer it matters who has the best content and its content that gets you to buy a system. Best is subjective though because to many Minecraft is the best game ever but to others its Meh. So basically what I'm coming to grips with is Console wars are meaningless. Buy what you like to play. Why does it have to be Sony vs Nintendo vs Microsoft when in your house they all sit together so nicely and provide hours of enjoyment.
But is you didn't stick with Wii when it was winning though huh? .. Because you're a poser, not a gamer. Ps4 is all hype and no bite, best sales or not. I think it's a perfect example of why gaming is dying.
Wii did win the 7th generation. The console war is basically about who sells the most consoles. Once you start getting into game quality and such, then it all becomes subjective.
A.) The author of the article was referring to HIS HOUSEHOLD, not the entire console war. B.) No doubt, the PS4 is selling the most, but it's not selling enough to overpower the losses that are being caused by some of Sony's other sectors. Until that happens, doing the happy dance doesn't help anybody.
A.) Perhaps the author should have chosen a better title, then? B.) What does that have to do with anything? How does that at all have to do with the console war? That's as stupid as people thinking the whole of Microsoft's funds are at the Xbox division's disposal. The PS4 doesn't have to cover for all the other divisions.
@Spotie A.) The author DID INCLUDE THAT in his title. The poster decided to use this as a chance to get some clickbait, so he modified the title when he brought it over here. B.) Seeing that you only have one bubble, what you just said is what's "stupid". If an item is selling a lot, but still not making enough profit to cover the rest of the company's losses; then what happens to the company? Last time I checked, while the whole "lose money to make money" scheme is actively used by many, Sony has been losing money for YEARS. There's a reason they're in the financial red zone.
People are too wrapped up in this console war nonsense. If you enjoy the games on a particular system that's all that really matters. No one system has to be better than the other. Why do people find the need to pledge allegiance to a consumer electronic? I love my PC, PS4, and my Wii U all for different reasons. They can compliment one another rather than compete.
Because of this people can't really have an adult conversation about the happenings in the industry. This is fine though. It doesn't affect the enjoyment of the platform. A robust discussion about specs and performance are not really possible on sites like this though. It really is about perception though. I'm starting to think we have employees on these forums. The only reason the wii succeeded is because the media was ready to down it like they did with the wiiu.
Sales at this point in time might not look to great, but I think the wii U will make a crushing comeback. 2015 belongs to nintendo, and they are very brilliantly separating themselves from the pack. They seem to be giving each and every title that little extra bit of effort and its paying off big time. PS, and Xbox will be replaced by PC, Nintendo will stand its ground as the dominate gaming system.
dont know what drugs you are taking but smash sales prove wiiu is pretty much a failure commercial wise, you cant use the pc excuse either, ps4 and x1 are breaking sales records, noone outside the web knows or cares about the wiiu from what I have seen but fine go live in your delusional world where the pc and wiiu are actually relevant
Except that PC sales are bigger than X1 and PS4 combined. Do you visit any other sites for news outside?
Nintendo will always win the console war, because everything else is a poor man's PC. Politics has overtaken the gaming industry as far as consoles go. I'd point to Ps4 sales as a perfect example. What sells?... GTAV.. CoD... A.C.... Ps4 is the most overrated console in history, and the WiiU is the most underrated console ever. That's what this is.
That's a bit of a stretch. Sales certainly don't always equal quality (take the Wii for example), but the "console war" is nothing more than a bunch of internet nerds arguing over which box is better. All consoles differ from PC with their exclusives, and that's about it. Who has the best "exclusives" is a matter of opinion, and can't be determined by any stat
Nintendo always has the best exclusives. I don't think anybody can make a rational dissenting argument. Nintendo is the best developer. Everything else is either inn PC or not really worth your time.
Can we have a ban on these articles? These consoles are in their early stages ffs.
How does this type of article get accepted?
Nintendo is clearly paying N4G to put these kinds of garbage opinion pieces up, look at how many pro-Wii U articles have been appearing lately. Same for dealspwn.com, they are well paid by Nintendo to hawk the crappy Wii U anywhere they can.
Just like Sony and Microsoft are paying you to bash Nintendo on every article you see...
Wait..what? Did I miss something here o_O
Five Reasons the Wii U Lost the Console War: 1) Weak CPU, weak GPU, anemic 2gb RAM (with only 1gb available for games), no internal HDD or even a bay for one, no ethernet port, no bluray/DVD support, no Dolby Digital support, no analog triggers on all controllers, overall very poor hardware. 2) Akwkward, oversized, low-rez Fisher-Price wannabe gamepad gimmick distracts from gameplay rather than adding to it. 3) Meager selection of rehashed games with entire genres of gaming simply missing. 4) Arrogance of Nintendo in "doing their own thing" and forcing people to accept their poor ideas and gimmicks. 5) Poor online services and Drastic anti-consumer DRM which means if your Wii U breaks, is lost, or stolen, you lose all your digital purchases. The Nintendo of old was a fantastic company responsible for some of the best consoles of their respective generations (like the NES and SNES, which I still own along with hundreds of games). The Nintendo of today is mired in cheap hardware tied to bad gimmicks to try to differentiate themselves, a pale reflection of its former glory.
..lose your digital purchases? You should be taking fish oil..
Arrogance of Nintendo in "doing their own thing" Oh then you shouldn't have kids then. Because you wont let your kids make decision for themselves for their future. Drastic anti-consumer DRM which means if your Wii U breaks, is lost, or stolen, you lose all your digital purchases. Nope. All you need to do is call Nintendo to unlink your account on your system and give them access to you Club Nintendo to verify the download you made or buy a new wii u and used your account once unlink. Then redownload em. 1) Weak CPU, weak GPU, anemic 2gb RAM (with only 1gb available for games), no internal HDD or even a bay for one, no ethernet port, no bluray/DVD support, no Dolby no internal HDD not needed you can hook up two external HDD up. I have 1TB HDD with over 870GB left. no ethernet port doesn't matter no bluray/DVD support uh it a game system not a entertainment device.
1-The console "war" just started. 2-The Wii U is not winning sales wise, but I would say it is winning exclusive wise. 3- Limited 3rd party support means less games and makes the Wii U a console for Nintendo games and some third party exclusives such as Bayonetta, W101, and Devils Third. So while the WiiU will arguably have most of the best exclusive titles, weaker sales combined with less games really bring it down. It is a great console to own and gives me a ton of fun, but I really don't believe it is winning the console war.
I like the WiiU but games are limited , you can say the same about ps4 but the wiiu had a big start. Love Nintendo, they just need more games
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